The main asset that a girl has is her looks. If you cannot tend to and keep it, I don't see why you should deserve a higher value man who is supposed to be attractive (as an endowment), hot (as result of workouts), rich, smart and funny which is what all of you girls are looking for.
You, sir, need to get a grip. While I do not agree with the premise of the original post, you're pushing it a whole different way. Women have a LOT of qualities irrelevant of looks and if you dismiss all of those you're the one having problems. Clearly you value their looks mostly, that is fine, but luckily women are more complex and have more depth than their outward appearance. Good luck finding a real woman.
@Savreth you didn't get my message. First, I'm talking about the upmarket segment, i. e. 9+ girls. These girls however bitchy will always have at least 5 guys chasing them just because of their looks. They will turn you down say only because you don't have a car due to crazy competition, unrealistic expectations and because they can.
In addition, I never said that looks is all that matters, but being good-looking will open doors for a girl. It's like a job interview. If your CV looks good, you will get an interview invitation. I personally don't want to sell myself short again, but I'm not all that picky: as long as I am attracted and we have great time together, I'm in. I don't really care about a girls wallet or her social status and number of friends, where she went for undergrad or if she is represents an ethnic minority like many such girls do. I've met very pretty latina girls friendzoning men of their ethnicity they were clearly attracted to but giving me a shot just because I went to a top 10 school.
Your comment nevertheless made me rethink the way I approach dating and hopefully I can make conclusions.
It entirely depends too, where you find that potential partner. If you're in some random dive bar in downtown I-don't-know-where, you'll struggle finding people based on qualities that you like outside of physical attraction, right. Personally, I've been upholding a simple but very effective policy:
Always be very straight up with what you look for, what you desire and if the combination between you and that other person will work out. Yes, you'll hurt some girls by being blunt if it doesn't work out, but I've noticed over time that if you're honest and straight up like that then people will respect you more, and girls/women will be more interested in you. Never underestimate the power of good reputation. Men and women speak to friends and acquaintances, and if you are a stand up and respectable guy then they will notice that.
Furthermore, I have the personal rule not to pursue physical intimacy with someone who has a disproportionate amount of affection towards me when I can not return it because I do not feel the same. When someone is interested, I don't want to lead them on, thinking there's something that there is not. If both of us understand the consequence of such intimacy, including sex, and mutually agree with it based on trust, openness and honesty, then I am fine with it.
In the end, people aren't a one trick pony. People may utilize their look to get the first attention but it's all about keeping them. These "top tier" women you refer to, often are amazingly attractive and would be cool for a temporary thing. But in many cases they get so much attention and/or are so insecure that in the long run they aren't neccesarly the best choice for you as a potential partner.
@afnabe The vast majority of the population *is*, indeed, fat. This is easily proven by a quickk Google search. Assuming, of course, we're talking about America.
There are guys who have fetishes for big women, yes. They're not the majority though. Men are way more shallow than women when it comes to looks. That's always been the case.
most men will pretty much bang anything with a hole. being fat really doesn't mean that you're outta the game. it doesn't really mean that they want YOU either. they just want sex from a woman
While this is true to some extent, everyone has their own preference when it comes to dating and I know some men out there prefer women with a little meat on them.
You can date as you wish, i will bot begrudge your choice. but understand that men have their preferences too, and you have no right to be upset that men dont want someone that weighs more than they do.
Yes, you can, but you can't complain if all the guys on your standard dump you
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wait, so you're saying that a fat woman can get laid while a fat dude cant? thats groundbreaking news. did we forget that societal double standards usually side with women?
Don't lower your standards but dont turn into every other fat feminist and start resenting us as a whole when the ones you want don't want you back. Well you could do that but you'd just end up alone even longer or indefinitely.
Interesting. I feel like I more often hear the reverse of this theory (= that boys gravitate toward women who are LIKE their mothers, esp if the mothers were domineering/controlling/otherwise overly "present" in the boy's life).
I don't rlly subscribe to either theory... mostly because I just haven't rlly thought much about it (especially considering that my brothers and I grew up without our mother).
You can date whoever you want, there's nothing wrong with that. However you shouldn't complain either when a certain guy doesn't want to go out with you.
In my community guys are not obsessed with thin girls, makes it better for average or overweight to find a boyfriend. might be different in the white & latino communities.
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You beach whales are always screaming for attention. Hop on treadmill troll
that's an ad hominem
Can we see a pic of you and your hot guy?
The main asset that a girl has is her looks. If you cannot tend to and keep it, I don't see why you should deserve a higher value man who is supposed to be attractive (as an endowment), hot (as result of workouts), rich, smart and funny which is what all of you girls are looking for.
You, sir, need to get a grip. While I do not agree with the premise of the original post, you're pushing it a whole different way. Women have a LOT of qualities irrelevant of looks and if you dismiss all of those you're the one having problems. Clearly you value their looks mostly, that is fine, but luckily women are more complex and have more depth than their outward appearance. Good luck finding a real woman.
@Savreth you didn't get my message. First, I'm talking about the upmarket segment, i. e. 9+ girls. These girls however bitchy will always have at least 5 guys chasing them just because of their looks. They will turn you down say only because you don't have a car due to crazy competition, unrealistic expectations and because they can.
In addition, I never said that looks is all that matters, but being good-looking will open doors for a girl. It's like a job interview. If your CV looks good, you will get an interview invitation. I personally don't want to sell myself short again, but I'm not all that picky: as long as I am attracted and we have great time together, I'm in. I don't really care about a girls wallet or her social status and number of friends, where she went for undergrad or if she is represents an ethnic minority like many such girls do. I've met very pretty latina girls friendzoning men of their ethnicity they were clearly attracted to but giving me a shot just because I went to a top 10 school.
Your comment nevertheless made me rethink the way I approach dating and hopefully I can make conclusions.
It entirely depends too, where you find that potential partner. If you're in some random dive bar in downtown I-don't-know-where, you'll struggle finding people based on qualities that you like outside of physical attraction, right. Personally, I've been upholding a simple but very effective policy:
Always be very straight up with what you look for, what you desire and if the combination between you and that other person will work out. Yes, you'll hurt some girls by being blunt if it doesn't work out, but I've noticed over time that if you're honest and straight up like that then people will respect you more, and girls/women will be more interested in you. Never underestimate the power of good reputation. Men and women speak to friends and acquaintances, and if you are a stand up and respectable guy then they will notice that.
Furthermore, I have the personal rule not to pursue physical intimacy with someone who has a disproportionate amount of affection towards me when I can not return it because I do not feel the same. When someone is interested, I don't want to lead them on, thinking there's something that there is not. If both of us understand the consequence of such intimacy, including sex, and mutually agree with it based on trust, openness and honesty, then I am fine with it.
In the end, people aren't a one trick pony. People may utilize their look to get the first attention but it's all about keeping them. These "top tier" women you refer to, often are amazingly attractive and would be cool for a temporary thing. But in many cases they get so much attention and/or are so insecure that in the long run they aren't neccesarly the best choice for you as a potential partner.
that's a hasty generalization
Yeah except for those pictures aren't really reality when it comes to the vast majority of the population.
those pictures represent a possibility. the vast majority of the population isn't fat.
@afnabe The vast majority of the population *is*, indeed, fat. This is easily proven by a quickk Google search. Assuming, of course, we're talking about America.
@Streamhopper Actually no true though I won't argue that a large portion of the population is indeed that way.
@afnabe a possibility sure but most fitness guys aren't going to date a fat/overweight girl sorry but that's just the way it is.
Fair enough, 37.5% is obese. I should have fact checked my own post, lol.
There are guys who have fetishes for big women, yes. They're not the majority though. Men are way more shallow than women when it comes to looks. That's always been the case.
that's a hasty generalization
Not true. Women are generally more picky across the board.
most men will pretty much bang anything with a hole. being fat really doesn't mean that you're outta the game. it doesn't really mean that they want YOU either. they just want sex from a woman
I agree with you. Date whoever you like that wants to date you!
Umm... yea it does actually.
Keep believing what these snowflakes tell you but most guys would not waste a breath on a fatty.
no it doesn't. thats a hasty generalization
While this is true to some extent, everyone has their own preference when it comes to dating and I know some men out there prefer women with a little meat on them.
You can date as you wish, i will bot begrudge your choice. but understand that men have their preferences too, and you have no right to be upset that men dont want someone that weighs more than they do.
Fatties deserve each other. You MUST lower your standards when you're fat.
I'm not fat, but I do have to lower my dating standards. So what does that say?
Yes, you can, but you can't complain if all the guys on your standard dump you
wait, so you're saying that a fat woman can get laid while a fat dude cant? thats groundbreaking news. did we forget that societal double standards usually side with women?
Don't lower your standards but dont turn into every other fat feminist and start resenting us as a whole when the ones you want don't want you back. Well you could do that but you'd just end up alone even longer or indefinitely.
Do you realize that some men date fat girls because they are so easy?
thats a hasty generalization
I really feel the guys who choose heavy and maternal looking women lacked one in their life who never cared for them. Mummy issues.
Interesting. I feel like I more often hear the reverse of this theory (= that boys gravitate toward women who are LIKE their mothers, esp if the mothers were domineering/controlling/otherwise overly "present" in the boy's life).
I don't rlly subscribe to either theory... mostly because I just haven't rlly thought much about it (especially considering that my brothers and I grew up without our mother).
From the title... IF you DON'T have a gorgeous face/smile...
YOU DO!!!
no she doesn't. she's not entitled to anyone and guys lower than her standards aren't entitled to her either.
You can date whoever you want, there's nothing wrong with that. However you shouldn't complain either when a certain guy doesn't want to go out with you.
In my community guys are not obsessed with thin girls, makes it better for average or overweight to find a boyfriend. might be different in the white & latino communities.