+1 yIt's not that you have to be an asshole. It's that when someone is too nice to someone else, it triggers an alert in peoples' brains. It's not just limited to women, though they are probably more sensitive to it. "Why is this person being so nice to me? What's their game?"
Even if you just "try" to be nice, just because that's the "good" thing to do, it comes off as insincerity. Be real. If you don't like something, let her know. In a still respectful way, but don't just agree with her on everything or be too afraid to take a stance. Otherwise, it makes you seem either like a coward who's too afraid to scare her off with your real self; or, it makes you seem manipulative and fake.
People who are "too nice" are difficult to respect, because they don't really show their true selves. Or, if they are simply that nice by nature, it's still just "Ummm. Okay. What do you get out of this?"
So, your issue is you need to build respect, as well as trust.
Another thing is men who put women on a pedestal. If you worship a woman as if she is a Goddess, what does that say about you? That you're a follower. You're a servant of a Goddess. So how on Earth could you be on the same level? You have to treat her as a human being, not an angel.
And I know, dude. Happens to me, too, when I see a woman, and I'm just like, "Wow. She's perfect." But you have to restrain that, to some degree. If you feel that, try to focus on a flaw or two of hers, to re-humanize her. Just for your own perception, so you don't fall into putting her on a pedestal. Communicate with her as a fellow human. Appreciate her for her, not a symbol.
Basically, be a little more selfish. Expect her to treat you well, as well; feel okay to disagree with her; and, feel free to tease her a bit. Women love being teased.00 Reply
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yDude, I'm kinda a nice guy (i'm kinda dark too when you get to know me, i like a lot of schadenfreude). I love helping people out, asking people how their day went, hearing positive things from people. I agree, some immature girls (many girls in fact) take someone who is nice for granted. You shouldn't assume a reward for being nice, but I know what you're saying because I've been there. You'll eventually come across a mature girl who has her sht straight and all the minutia of not caring / being edgy / [insert other mistaken masculine quality here] goes out the door. Granted, girls are different from guys and you can't talk to them like you would another guy.
Honestly, listen to Corey Wayne on some of his material. I hate promoting stuff like this but he has the right mindset and methodology, albeit his goal is more sex driven. Listen to the parts where he talks about girls behavior and how to treat them. He doesn't say you need to be an asshole, but he explains why assholes get attention from girls and where you're probably going wrong. (just a warning, he'll bring up his book a bunch of times. not bad to listen to, but you can get the gist of it from his videos)
Otherwise listen to "No more Mr. Nice Guy" by Robert Glover. Its a more edgy and direct take on it, tho it was more for people who gave and expected reward.
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I get what your saying but I never assumed a reward for being nice, So many people are quick to jump the gun in these comments saying just cause your nice doesn't mean you deserve this or that or nice guys who say there nice have a shitty personalty underneath but I don't have a shitty personalty and I never said I wanted a reward I just or a girlfriend I wanna be treated with respect and yeah people will be nice to you back but I see a clear difference between how they treat me opposed to another guy especially from women
Opinion Owner+1 yI know, and I'm aware that you don't expect a reward. Its a byproduct of our times, people are immature and girls aren't really super reserved and mature themselves anymore. therefore it doesn't help that you are mature and caring. when girls get around 21+ i've noticed a stark difference in how they act. I've run into girls who play less games and they grow up a little and see value in someone who's caring. that's not to say all girls, thats not to say being nice is the best way to go, i'm just saying it'll get better. finding a younger girl who's mature isn't easy
I talked with someone else on here about respect from girls. between guys there's a mutual respect, where if you or I cross a boundary we better expect retaliation (possibly physical). If a guy crosses my line, i tell him to check himself and get his shit straight. but with girls, what's their boundary? We can't do anything to them, we can't confront them, we're held socially hostage. I personally don't involve myself with girls who take me for granted, the only thing I can do is ditch them.
moral of the story, it'll get better.
Lol common mistake about that. The way I see it, we don’t want a pushover but not a asshole either. There’s a way where u don’t put up with a girls behavior but your not going to yell at her or do something negatively.
I see assholes, players and fuck boyfriends and I stay 10 miles away. Most girls do too, the only exception is when a GIRL is just looking for something easy to get into or has some sort of self hatred for herself. I like nice guys and plenty of nice guys get girlfriends too. That’s why there are sayings “the good one got away”
Your most likely way to giving but not in the way you should be. It’s nice to be the guy that is there when a girls upset & vent too but if a girl wants you & you make yourself Approachable. You’ll end up dating her, it’ll happen. if your always there and your using your friendship with someone and just waiting for them to open their eyes and fall and love with you, it’s not going to happened. Trust me.
I have a very nice friend who’s super helpful, but he is literally like my puppy. He follows me around and I don’t lead him on or anything but he thinks that one day I’m gonna just suddenly want to date him. I know that’s not true. When the time comes & his bad enough with following me around, i’ll End up gentley letting him down & he's going to say something like the question your asking.14 Reply
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+1 yA nice guy without confidence and self love and passion and drive can get take advantage of but if you are confident and opinionated and courageous and bold and honest - girls will not take you for granted.
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1.2K opinions shared on Dating topic. Sadly, some do. But the mature women with self respect don't. I would pick a nice guy over a bad boy, anyday
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Your like one of the few women that didn't go on this ramble about how they think nice guys think they deserve to have a girlfriend so thanks for not doing that because many women are have such bad tunnle vision that all they care about is bad mouthing nice guys yet when ever a bad boy or asshole is mentioned they always have some excuse
+1 yNo, nice guys just fail to realize that being nice isn't the only quality women want. People expect family, friends, and people to in general be nice to them. If all you have to offer is "Well, I'm nice," you're not offering much at all. That's like expecting to receive an Emmy for basic human decency.
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+1 yA lot of people do. Not just women. Dudes tend to equate nice with unattractive guys, or guys who overcompensate their lacking looks and/or social skills with essentially becoming doormats. No one wants an unattractive partner, I don't know why women get so much shit for it.
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What stereotype?
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Because men label anything that isn't a cheating woman beater as "nice" usually. It's annoying that they feel that the bare minimum of respect in a relationship is "praise-worthy" and believe it's an added character point.
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I don't know, dudes I've met. They expect a pat on the back for being faithful. Like what? That's the basis of a monogamous relationship, it's not special.
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If many women are complaining about it, and you want to date women, why don't you listen to what women are saying?
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You shouldn't and I don't suggest that, at least completely. But maybe if you want to succeed with said gender, you should consider what they want. I think it's silly when overweight women complain that only overweight men want them. If you want a fit man, he's probably going to want a fit woman, so you don't *have* to change, but if you want to succeed with them, you should consider their grievances.
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No I understand you for sure and I've definitely been taking steps in areas to help with such problems this question wasn't not originally about my dating struggles with women it was about how women treat me in general being a nice guy you know but the dating advice none the less did help and I turkey appreciate your advice as well so thank you 🙂
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*at least not completely
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You're welcome. I guess I feel it's not just do women like nice men, more of what women vs what men consider nice.
And nice guy has become synonymous with woman hating doormat. - +1 y
I know what you mean but that's kinda what fustrated me you know cause that's all where associated with and now so many women want even give us a chance to show we have more to offer cause of that stigma that's usually what we mean when we say girls want give us a chance cause we're nice not that cause we're nice we deserve a chance but I see a girls viewpoint as well it's hard on both sides
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But it poses a challenge cause we often here girls say how much the want a gentleman or a nice guy but when we make that approach they turn us down you know so then many guys turn to being asshole s and to be honest I have seen women be more responsive to that behavior which makes me sad cause dating is all jacked up now on both sides
+1 yNice guys are so rare... and brave (society says it's ok to be a badass if your guy.. but if your nice you are at risk of being a pansy).. I always treat nice guys extra well.. even if they are not MY guy... most of the girls I know adore the nice guys I know... again... this poll is so interesting how guys and girls are split...
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Actually... it's more guys voting no and girls voting yes... lol.. isn't it? :)
3.6K opinions shared on Dating topic. I'm not sure, I think a lot of girl keep the nice guys as a "second option" or so
Personally I feel more comfortable around nice guys but I think most girl won't think of the nice guy as their first option. (I think most girl have the misconception that nice guys = pushover).18 Reply2.6K opinions shared on Dating topic. Of course we do. That’s why they finish last...
A lot of women won’t apprecuate a nice guy... not all women but quite a few. Especially in my age category.41 Reply
+1 yNo, I think most girls want a nice guy. There are some exceptions, like girls that like abuse because of their past but I think most sane girls want to be treated nicely.
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Sorry about that. :(
Sometimes we get hurt from the jerk, fall back on the nice guys for comfort and then repeat the cycle until we learn our lessons. One thing that is important to know is we don't, or I should say someone us don't, originally think the guy we are falling for is a jerk. We learn after time, after he has our beating heart in his palm. :'( Please never become a jerk, it wrecks people. - +1 y
I get you and it's okay cause I know women don't do this in a way to hurt anyone or use nice dudes you just wanna protect your feeling as does anyone. And I want be a jerk it's just not who I am being fun bubbly and a little goofy is what I'll take over an ass any day of the week
+1 ySome do but a lot of girls seek them out (a lot of times to no avail). Sometimes though its really hard to pick out genuinely good guys from the manipulative ones.
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He thinks it'll work for him and sometimes it does
Ok so lets assume that you indeed are a real nice guy, not an r/niceguys.
The thing is many girls have a pool to choose from. Or are very picky. you're competing with other guys, yknow. So just being genuinely nice won't do you much. The absolute majority of guys are actually genuinely nice. You dont stand out enough if this is your only trait.016 Reply- +1 y
Well obviously that's not my only trait but most women want even talk to you long enough for you to stand out. Women always love to say that but I'd like to see a women try and do the same thing against multiple other guys just saying you need to stand out more is one thing doing it is different
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Sorry to hear that, pal. Maybe the best way to stand out is with the way you present yourself. Verbally i mean. The way you chat up a girl makes a huge difference.
Of course you won't be able to show off your potentially amazing drawing skills or your vast knowledge of physics in the first 2 minutes of talking. Maybe you should work on your talking skills, get a good first impression, her number. And after that, if you actually secure a date with her show her your deeper qualities.
And as much as i feel for men, who have to go through approaching and being rejected, its just not realistic that a girl would be willing to go through 20 mins of boring conversation at the train station just to finally get to the one question she already knew he would be asking. Especially not if she knew after the first 2 minutes that she's not interested.
Aaand shell especially won't give you her number if she had a twice as interesting conversation with the guy that chated her up last week at the same spot - +1 y
Yeah I get you that's actually what I've been trying to work on I even been looking for some girls that would be willing to help me practice so I could get better I only got one girl who agreed to help me and that's only after a female friend talked to her sigh I just am so fustrated cause it's not like I don't take steps to be more appealing to women I dress we'll take care of my hair skin and started even going to the gym and I tend to really enjoy these things and many said a lot if women like that in men but I feel so invisible to so many women especially of my age range
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Hmm. Yknow, when i was in high school some of my classmates kind of did dares. Theyd go downtown and dare each other to talk up girls. It really helped them.
Practicing on a girl you know is nice and definitely an option but how about just going out there without the security net? Take friends with you so you'll feel more confident and just try. Im sure talking to 20 diffrent girls will give you more valuable experience in one day than planning and ponding on waht to say for 5 days would.
Also, fake it till you make it. Even if you say dumb shit, if you do so while looking confident, it will seem less stupid. Trust me.
If you do take care of yourself then there is no reason you should be unpopular with the girls. If you can nail the approach, there's nothing holding you back anymore.
Dont give up and dont get too frustrated. Keep trying and make sure to take care of yourself emotionally, too, i dont want you to get bitter and salty haha.
by the way have you tried online dating? - +1 y
Thank you for your advice I really do appreciate I'm gonna do my best to get practice in both with through text and irl I usually try at work with some female customers but I need to step it up for sure and I'll practice text as well I do try to practice with female friends but I feel they can be a little baised sometime since they know me and what I'm going through so I try to find girls I don't know that wouldn't mind helping me practice
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Tinder maybe isn't the best spot to start if your flirt game isn't top notch. How about chatting up girls on regular websites? Facebook for example. Or anywhere else. It sounds a bit weird but being weird is alright if its for the sake of improving, right? If u chat up a girl on facebook, they are less likely to be overly judgmental of you since its outside the dating and hookup frame. That way its not your axperience or appearance that counts but the ability to keep up an interesting conversation, which again is important for hitting up girls irl
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True many girls you age have a pool to choose from up until they hit the wall at around age 30. Then they when it comes to dating they enter the guys world. And after they reach about age 35 or so they start looking to the guys they picked over, and those guys don't want them anymore. I know all about that one, been there seen that am that.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI think some do, it explains why women seem to go through multiple guys that are "all the same", players, only wanting sex. Then they start calling every guy the same when in fact they probably had a nice guy try talking to them but because they were too nice they went for the badder kind of guy and it backfired like it always does.
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+1 yYES. THEY. DO!
i just got cheated on in back to back relationships. that's twice in one year. ima be a dick now because being nice obviously doesn't fucking work.21 Reply Depends on the "nice guy." More often than not, the "nice guy" is really the "desperate guy" who is easily malleable. If you don't want to be taken advantage of, set boundaries with yourself that you will not cross and build your confidence. Think like a man, not like a boy.
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+1 yThere are always a few guys and a few girls who take good people for granted. That's part of what makes humanity the cancer of the earth
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+1 yBeing a nice person is something everyone should do and it doesn't mean i deserve a girlfriend- u can be as nice as u want and still be boring or lazy etc
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ok I don't know anyone who says gentlemen finish last, maybe some people do but i dont believe that.
Personally i think being a ‘gentle men’ is just the same as being good, like open doors for people, give ur seat to old people etc. thats just what everyone should do anyway.
But yeah of course u dont not deserve a chance at love, but if u want one, just like if u want a job or a house etc, u have to work to get it, hardly anyone is just given it
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI don't know about other women but I can't find any nice guys.
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Opinion Owner+1 yI feel the same, I just turned 21.
Opinion Owner+1 yWhat do you mean?
Opinion Owner+1 yThat's probably not why. And like you said there's nothing wrong with being single but I want to know what it's like being in a relationship and being intimate. All of my friends have boyfriends and I just want to know what it's like ):
Opinion Owner+1 yI ask myself the same question honestly ): I don't know
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Listen you seem like a sweet girl I'm sure your gonna find a man that will with out a doubt love and cherish you. Don't give up cause I'm not gonna actually I refuse to cause I wanna love and cuddle kiss and go on dates and experience that oh so intimate moment in the bedroom with her and I wanna just tell her I love her or how amazing she looks in a dress that's is a dream I'm not willing to give up on not yet
Opinion Owner+1 yI won't. You seem sweet too, you'll find someone. 💜
I don´t. I prefer a real good men over assholes and fuckboys.
50 ReplyBeing nice is the bare minimum of being a good choice. Usually dudes that call themselves "nice guys" have little more to offer than, what? A friendly and polite demeanor? It's gonna take a lot more than that.
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+1 yMost guys are nice guys. It doesn't make you special.
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I don't do that. Don't know many girls who do either. You need to learn how to spell by the way. Complaining*, they're*, gentleman*, their*.
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I mean, most girls are pretty
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most girls are intelligent
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most girls are nice
+1 yI’ve never even met an attractive guy who was also into me who was genuinely nice to absolutely not
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No I’m just good at seeing through their bullshit. Most guys simply aren’t nice at all.
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Lol most girls in the comment section then probably don’t have literally every single guy solely approach them for their looks. And if you have to point it out you probably aren’t.
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Yeah but it shouldn’t be literally all you care about
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yBeing sweet can be an aphrodisiac for me, but only if he also expresses lust for me. Too nice and respecful, and he appears to not have a sex drive--not hot.
00 Reply3.4K opinions shared on Dating topic. Being nice really doesn't matter all that much. Looks and social skills are far more important.
02 ReplyWhat I want to know is where are all the nice girls? Why do men feel compelled to make a woman feel better, but the same isn't offered in return? This isn't fair, where do I get my self esteem from?
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+1 yDepends, what kind of women are you liking? bc men tend to take the nice girls for granted.
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My point is are u attracted to bad girls as a nice guy? if so that is why you're feeling taken for granted. nice guys ignore the good girls and go for the bed ones that aren't suited for them
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Not saying good girls don't get taken for granted you know but let me give you some presepctive where do you think most of the asshole kinda guys come from they weren't always assholes a lot of the time they started out as a nice guy but that wasn't working out so they changed to who they thought women would prefer
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Maybe you're too eager for a girlfriend.. why do u want a relationship so bad?
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I mean why are u in such a rush? you're 19?
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You post a lot about wanting a relationship lol
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Well cause I do most guys my age have at least had one girlfriend before and they know what it's like to feel that love only a women who cares about you can I'm getting older and older everyday and I wanna experience that as well plus us guys aren't always gonna have an abundance of women to choose from unless your really good looking
+1 yNo. Straight up, nice guys just overthink that into an actual possibility. A man needs to be accountable and take charge every now and then.
01 ReplyA lot think that any girl deserve a nice guy. Guess what? No they don't. Only good girls deserve good guys, just like only ladies deserve to have a gentleman at their side.
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+1 yYes some do and visa versa.
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Technically I'm not admitting anything, this isn't a confession haha but I do know several women that have taken advantage of men both emotionally and physically, the same as I know men who have done similar.
Basically depends on since how long she been knowing him and how close they are
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+1 ysadly some do
but Not me :p15 Reply- +1 y
why? its a good question!
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ohhhh I see :D
Every man who defines themselves as being Nice is a shitty person with a super short fuse. The nicest people I know are just nice because they want to be and don't talk about it every other second
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Ok I'm sorry but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard even having a short fuse doesn't make a person not nice and I'm just saying what I've heard others have said would best describe me I've never really considered my self a nice guy I see it as just personalty nothing more nothing less but there always women like you that try to flip the script and make seem like cause. Some saying there nice they are saying they deserve this and that or that they are shitty underneath and your flawed logic is seriously dated and needs to be addressed
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Yeah I went off on you cause you insulted me and any guy like me be short tempered does not make me a mean person and you shouldn't be talking your exactly the type of women men avoid always trying to turn things around so that your right this post isn't here for your neagtivity and I'll go off on you again if you continue to talk your nonsense
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yYes for sure. As girls get older they look for and want nicer guys. :)
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+1 yif he is not confident then yes the sweet boi does get taken advantaged of
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yNo... they just don't take them.
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+1 ySome desperate sad girls would yeah
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+1 yI think so, I been a doormat..
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+1 ySome woman do not all but they loss out in the end
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+1 yIndeed
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yYes they do.
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