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Im not sure what women you are dating but I have never made a date harder than what it has to be.
It takes two to make things works. After the first date it should be smooth sailing.
You cannot make yourself desirable. you can earn money to attract gold diggers. If you become famous you will get women but you cannot make yourself physically attractive without surgery unless you are attractive already but you have really shitty hair/facial hair that covers it.
Personality and charm matters but they have to be physically attracted to you to even want to get to know your personality
I have big crush on Colombian singer J balvin many people look better than him but i love his music he is so cute and charming so i don't think looks only matters.
@Cute_syrian i said being famous helps a lot
Especially if you are a famous artist
"I just don't see why that means we have to make every major dating decision." We want a strong leader
What makes you deserve one? Having a vagina doesn't count
@Cocacolaaddict I'm pretty sure most men want to be leaders
Not all of us do. We're pretty much forced into leadership because we risk shame and being ostracized/bullied if we do not constantly move up or maintain our position on the male hierarchy.
Well who dosent want to be at the top the problem is if a man isn't one of the best he isn't wanted
@Cocacolaaddict Pretty much. Men are basically disposable.
@DWD94 well that's true that's why you should turn the tables and take control treat women the same way back trust me they will be the first to complain
@DWD94 grow some balls, most women don't naturally have what it takes to be leaders, especially in something as important and life-changing as a relationship, if the man doesn't lead, then who tf will?
@DWD94 told you
@FragileSnowflake not my problem. Dont care.
@DWD94 what makes you so sure that it's not your problem?
What makes it my problem? Why should I care?
You could meet @Fragilesowflake next week or someone who thinks just like her. She could be you future wife. How do you know, How could you know? Regardless these are social issues, it's all of our responsibility to communicate and set them in order.
Personally I'd rather stay single then be a glorified babysitter to a overgrown brat
@Makik00 be careful what you ask for, make sure it's really what you want because you just might get it.
If she needs to be chortled and doesn't bring anything to the relationship she wasn't worth my time in the first place
Cottled fucking phone
Yeah but maybe babysitting, and cottlleing someone who loves you is better than being alone, and futile and growing more bitter by the second. Not to mention you have the opportunity to teach the person you are babysitting to grow up so that someday you might have someone half way competent to talk to, I'd take babysitting any day.
The fuck? I dont agree with the person that asked the question but you just sound straight up useless
@Malik00 being under your leadership doesn't mean she doesn't bring anything to the table
Sad MGTOW losers.
No i just have standards when it comes to women. I know it's new for you, must be hard knowing you actually have to be competent to land a decent man for once in your life.
@mistixs I want a partner, not a follower or a glorified yes man.
I guess I had never looked at it from the male point of view, lol. It is a lot of work.
Maybe women expect so much from men because of how we're programmed.
I think it has to do with the spiritual symbolism behind romance and the fact that women risk a lot in romantic relationships and need to know that the man is invested like she is.
Men aren't risking anything?
@spartan55 Men do take risks too, but women are naturally more vulnerable. She has to know he's really in it
Could you clarify what you mean by 'naturally more vulnerable'?
@spartan55 women have to deal with the consequences of getting pregnant.
Some men (and many in ancient history) could knock up a woman and leave. No such thing as child support hundreds of years ago. So this has been programmed into them. But ironically they also have some sort of twisted stupid lust for guys who often do just that.
It doesn't seem very fair that men have to do all that.
It doesn't seem fair that women have the entire reproductive burden in mating. This is how it's compensated
@mistixs if a couple doesn't want any children then that's not an issue
@mistixs Relationships don't always lead to kids. I DO NOT EVER want kids.. sssoooo yeah, your point means nothing to a lot of men.
@Juxtapose
I don’t want kids either. Why don’t you want kids? Why don’t many men want kids?
@AJC997 Kids are a burden on the planet (overpopulation) and control your life when you have to take care of them.
I'm cool with just being responsible for a single cat. Anything else can fuck right off, I like my freedom.
@Juxtapose
Lol well they are not a burden on the planet but they are on you because you have to use up money time and other resources like personal energy and supplies
To your update - no, I never want any children.
All a guy need to do is look handsome, then I would ask him out. I've done it before.
That's good thanks for asking guys out, I haven't experianced it. Maybe I'm not very hansome though.
We deserve to Haver something Nice Said and or dsone for us. My fiancé wrote a Lovely song for me last night. I was honored. xxoo
And of course, You guys deserve this too when in a Relationship. Goes two ways. xx
And that is the problem-it often doesn't.
Girl:he NEEDS to be 10000000ft tall
He NEEDS to be hot
he NEEDS to be rich
Guys: I mean big tiddys is nice...
Girls: YoU MaSogInIsTiC pIg JuDgInG wAhMaN I HoPe YoU DiE aLoNe
Lmao this is pretty true and funny😝
Hell yeah, this made me laugh 😂
I have seen it around here too. How dare we can have preferences 😂😂😂
Well don’t go to Miami. Many girls there are hot but would bleeeeed guys dry. It’s the societal dating expectation that’s been around for very long time. I like it when a man takes the initiative more often than me and pays for the dates.
You can probably get a very quick hookup in Miami though if you’re a tourist
It because a lot of women have zero insight into the difficulties that men face. There are a lot of reasons why that is the case, but sometimes it is simply wrong assumptions and ignorance.
What does going on a date and proposing have to do with a woman being indecisive? Lol
Seriously, the fact that you think it doesn't show indecisiveness is symbolic of the problem. Would you say dating initiative is inconsequential and irrelevant. It's a huge part of life.
How is dating indecisive?
Well the inability or unwillingness or women to take any initiatives in dating from my perspective shows massive indecision because men have to consciously do this their entire lives. Your only decision is yes or no. Thats why you can only see it as "normal" dating. But make no mistake it is almost compleatly fabricated by the man's decisions.
But millions of women take the initiative lol
And millions of men like making the first move
That's kind of off the mark. I've never seen women take as much initiative as the man does. By the way I like making the first move, thats not what I mean. Why can't women ever decide what restaurants to go to, or what the first date should be. Why does it seem like it's always up to the guy to approach the girl and prove something to her when women are always seen as inherently valuable. I beleave they are, but men generally always have to prove themselves.
Sooo your entire argument is based off a sterotype you saw in a sitcom of a girl having a hard time choosing a movie?
No, not at all. general stereotypes maybe, But also many first hand accounts. That is where the stereotype comes from. Choosing the movie or restaurants is a metaphor for the bigger issue. My arguments are not unfounded.
What metaphor?
Women's inability it decide what movie to see is a metaphor for their inability to make bigger dating decisions.
What are you talking about? Millions of women don't have issues deciding what movie yo see and millions make bigger decisons
I mean billions make the decision to marry
Trust me in trying to find exceptions.
Or break up. Or have kids. Or move. Or get a pet. Or many more
When has a woman ever proposed to a man?
Tons of times. Its not as common but it does happen.
Obviously they do i assume. But it's still extramly rare and kind of taboo.
I mean the man proposing has been a longheld tradition, since in the past some women didn't even get to choose whether or not to accept.
So women are raised in a culture, taught that men propose and that they will be dumpes or shamed for proposing and thats its manly
Well I see it oppositely. I think the man is expected to propose or he is seen as immature or unable to commit to a relationship. But that is also not exactly at the heart of the question. Women aren't expected to show initial intrest in the man or move along the dating process. The man is expected to speak up if he likes a woman or he is seen as cowardly. I'm not saying I'm unhappy with the individual expectations, but cumulatively it's overwhelmingly the mans responsibility to take initiatives.
Sure. Those roles exist. So, what are men doing to change the culture?
I mean I'm asking the question to start conversations about it, that's one thing. I'm trying to help other people understand our perspective. I'm trying to give women the chance to take more initiative by suggestivly flirting then waiting for them to reciprocate all the time. I'm doing my best to take responsibility for things i need to work on. I'm never disrespectful to any women to my knowledge. But i can't speak for all men. I've refrained from dating untill I have something tangible to offer, and I decided to practice abstinence so I don't have casual one night stands that play on women's emotions. I'm not saying all of this works but I do it consciously and with the other person in mind.
I think you're feigning ignorance if you legitimately believe women make the first move at the exact same rate as men. Think about it. There's very little incentive for women to approach men. Most men approach because we know women won't do the approaching. Compare a woman's tinder messages to a man's tinder messages and you'll see exactly what I mean.
That’s how our stupid society makes it. Women sit there and look pretty and men do all the work. Ofc there’s some exceptions and some women do have the confidence to approach and all that. But society says that’s masculine and that shouldn’t be a women’s job. Here’s how I see it. As long as you are both happy then screw society
Never ask a woman a question unless you already know the answer
That's a golden nugget of information. Thank you for your words wise man.
If you feel girls are expecting too much out of you then you're not expecting enough out of yourself.
That's how it has always been. Men have always made the first move but now more women are making the first move.
The world expects it out of men, not just women.
Men are providers
Whenever a man describes himself as the provider these days it seems like women are always offended by that statement.
Maybe they do want a man who is like a provider, but they don't want to say it openly anymore.
@ asker those women should just date women these. The physchotic feminists have ruined it for us normal women
@UncleJessieRabbit i openly say it all the time
Ok, well it makes things very confusing now a days. I'm not sure what is true anymore.
@asker its not confusing, some women are like me and some women are not
Ok but then who do I believe. How do you act both ways at the same time? should I just assume most women are like you, should I assume you are the type of women I should try to appeal to. I do see men and myself as providers but how do I know if that statement is correct or misogynistic if half of you agree and half don't?
Yes, the feminists have indeed ruined it for you normal women in all senses.
Well they're just as scared of looking like idiots as we are, the only difference is that our gender has had years of practice.
That's what i mean. Why dont women practice at all. It seems so one-sided.
That wasn't even really an acceptable thing to do until 20-30 years ago, dude. There is a mountain of social repression from other women, fairy tales, dudes being weird about machismo, that women need to work through.
I think most modern women know this and try to reach out to us more, which a huge plus for us. If you don't want to do this, don't do it, wait for a women that is also ready to invest herself, I'm sure it's not that rare.
Because they can afford to do so and get away with it.
Bc we know that we would go to the ends of the earth for him so we expect the same