Is it a Wise idea to Stay with your Partner if He or She refuses to get vaccinated?

[Paris13]

Absolutely, Paris!

No Way, Paris!

Half and Half, Paris!

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**Where there's a Will, There is a way. xx

[AmandaYVR]

Just heard a stat today. 45% of people getting covid here have already had two vaccine shots. Dun dun duuuuuuun.

The whole thing is a mess.
I wouldn't leave a person just because they're not vaccinated.
Authorities/governments need to stop pretending that the vaccines are a magic elixir. They're not.
The question is, is there harm in taking them, just for some improvement in transmission?

[Paris13]

Wise girl!!! xx

[Hypnos0929]

How many people without the shots have actually gone in to get tested?
How many vaccinated people died because of COVID? How many showed severe symptoms? Required hospitalization?

Be smart. A person who refuses to vaccinate for non medical reasons is highly unlikely to seek medical attention.

[Grond21]

The US department of Public Health just reported that there have been zero reported cases where someone who was unvaccinated got Covid twice. So there's that too

[AmandaYVR]

@Grond21 Interesting.

Check out this hospitalization risk calculator. I'm at 2%.

And this chart showing hospitalizations by country is interesting. (Mouse over the individual countries on the right.)

@Hypnos0929 I don't really understand your line of reasoning. If people don't get tested, and they feel fine, they either don't have covid, or have/had it but are asymptomatic. Yes, people who are asymptomatic can transmit it (and that is an issue), but is contracting covid really the worst thing? Many people have had it and didn't feel sick at all. Others felt temporarily sick, sheltered at home, and have no longterm side-effects. Others unfortunately have severe Longterm Covid and it's extremely disruptive to their health and ability to work.
But those who have "severe symptoms" do go to the hospital. Yet, the hospitalization rate globally is like.3%.
Those who seek medication attention do it based on how sick they feel. It's not a politicized decision.
And by the way, more men avoid seeking health care. Yet they have a higher mortality rate due to covid.

I'm not ignorant. I do a lot of research and it's a complex, not-black-and-white issue.
What bothers me is when many people try to oversimplify and distill it down. "Everyone vaccinate and all will be fine" is simply untrue.

[AmandaYVR]

Wow did I forget to include the links or did gag remove them...
Try again...

Hospitalization Risk Calculator
https://riskcalc.org/COVID19Hospitalization/

Comparing hospitalization rate by country. Cool graph.
Canada is low/good.
ourworldindata.org/.../current-covid-hospitalizations-per-million

[Grond21]

Nice!! I am at 2.2%.

And your arguments about the situation are echoing my thoughts

[AviatorTom]

Your link gives me a 7.3% risk of being hospitalized with COVID-19. If you consider that, worst case, half of those hospitalized die from COVID, my risk of dying from COVID would be less than 3.5%. That's comparable to the risk of dying in an auto accident.

[AmandaYVR]

@AviatorTom Yes, everything is compared to auto accidents isn't it.
I think the distinction should be made between preventable and not. Of course, people fly in planes and it's safer than driving. (I just watched that Sully movie on the weekend. Was pretty good. A bit better than I thought it would be.)

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 i know several people that have gotten it twice. Can you link that source?

[Nightroads]

@Grond21 I have gotten it 4 times, but I was able to request identification twice and they were different strains. I assume the other two times were different strains as well. But the medical facilities were not able to identify them due to the remoteness of the clinics.

[Grond21]

@Friendlybro79 I have a screenshot of the foia release.

https://ibb.co/VTvJ5GY

[AmandaYVR]

@Nightroads Wow, 4 times!
I don't even know what to say to that. Want to provide any more info? I wonder how many others are similar.

[Nightroads]

@AmandaYVR I assume all four times were different strains. First time I felt like I was close to needing hospitalization. Other three times besides loss of taste and smell I had no symptoms to noticeable.

[Friendlybro79]

@AmandaYVR If you'd like take a look at this article if you're interested.
www.reuters.com/.../factcheck-massachusetts-deaths-idUSL1N2RF259

[AmandaYVR]

@Friendlybro79 Wow!
I saw this spoken by a governmental journalist in my province. It wasn't the main thrust of the announcements he was making, so he said it very quickly, but what I heard was "45% of people getting covid here have already had two vaccine shots", and I thought he was referring specifically to local numbers.
But that 45 number would be a huuuge coincidence then. So now I question if he got it wrong, or I misheard.
What's telling is this, in the article you linked. "“The proportion of fully vaccinated people who have died from COVID is 0.007%.”
I tried to find the video news clip. I know the name of the reporter here, but couldn't find the mention of this stat. I'll certainly keep an eye out and post a follow-up here, if I do happen to hear it again.
I'm certainly questioning the info now.
Thanks for posting. And being polite about it. 👍

[Friendlybro79]

@AmandaYVR My pleasure.

[Grond21]

aaronsiri.substack.com/.../cdc-admits-crushing-rights-of-naturally

FYI

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 not sure what website you're sourcing but directly off the cdc site. First paragraph they state reinfections happen and have been recorded. Article dated 8/2021

www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

Paragraph from above cdc article

"Summary
What is already known about this topic?

Reinfection with human coronaviruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been documented. Currently, limited evidence concerning the protection afforded by vaccination against reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 is available."

Again that was August. Here's an article from Oct stating: " For unvaccinated, reinfection by COVID-19 is likely, study finds
Strong protection following natural SARS-CoV-2 infection is short-lived"

www.nsf.gov/.../disc_summ.jsp

[Grond21]

@Friendlybro79 Good finds! My question would be, is the reinfection named and documented in reference to those who have already gotten one or more vaccine shots? Or is it in reference to those who haven't? If it's the former, then we are still in agreement. If it's the latter, the the CDC has contradicted themselves and I'm not sure what to make of that

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 I'm not sure if names are public information but I'm asking where you found your document? I see the website but i don't know if that's a reliable source. I think what you have might be fake. I'm not sure.

[AmandaYVR]

This is a really good thread. Thanks to y'all for contributing and keeping the flow of information going.
But I hate all this so much.
I hate that I'm being forced into something medically where there are too many unknowns and the solutions are being sold to us as absolutes. It infuriates me.

Anyway, at the bottom of Grond's article link, is a comment by Stephanie Brail, and a link to an article she wrote detailing many of her thoughts. I think she did a great job summarizing the 1-13.
wholistic.substack.com/.../if-theres-one-thing-you-need-to-read
And this is the very lengthy article she referenced and pulled data from:
www.juliusruechel.com/.../...n-and-covid-zero.html

[Grond21]

@Friendlybro79 that website did a Freedom of Information Act request and got the CDC to release that information. As far as I'm aware they haven't published anything false or misleading, although they are inclined against the big Pharma narrative. So while it could be faked, I think that is very unlikely.

@AmandaYVR Yes. Thank you for expressing this. I feel the exact same way. The tactics being used to push these vaccines and lockdowns are coercive. Manipulative. They're the kind of tactics that, if seen in a relationship, would be called emotionally abusive. And when the medical companies make billions of dollars without any liability or restraint, when governments amass power to themselves without any oversight and directly against their constitutions, when you have the largest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the billionaires in human history, you have to think that there is something else going on.

Pfizer even asked Argentina and Brazil to put up their military bases as collateral in order to pay for the vaccines. They bribed the leader of an Australian province over 60 million dollars in order to push the vaccine and lockdowns. And now Australia is rounding people up who don't follow the governmental decree.

I hate this, I hate how people are being forced to follow what the government says despite their consciences and rational judgment. Its become Machiavellian, and a little voice inside me is afraid it's about to get far worse

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 the government isn't forcing anyone and vaccination status for schools and certain jobs have always been a thing here. I understand some are forced to make a decision more than others but you can say no. This particular vaccine has become so political and rooted in way too many conspiracies in my humble opinion. My close friend who's a scientist (works in this field) is baffled but also gets the confusion. From her colleagues perspective they all are say things like it's just... a vaccine... It's not a mystery as to where it came from or came to. Where they do understand is that politics and media are poisoning people with unnecessary amounts of doubt which is causing more deaths worldwide.

[Grond21]

There's several different things going on simultaneously. One is the fact that the way this vaccine is being pushed on people is becoming effectively mandatory. If you are ostracized from your job and from all or most public spaces unless you get it, it's mandatory in practice. Another factor is the way this vaccine has been implemented. It's been extraordinary shady, and the ability for us to get the full picture has been obfuscated from day one. Third, there's the vaccine itself. Each company has a different vaccine and they need to be looked at individually. But when they lie about the methods of creation, the effects, and tamper with the studies being done to verify their efficacy then it creates a sincere and significant amount of skepticism.

And then when the people who are wanting to be healthy and want everyone else to be healthy see all this, of course they're going to start asking questions. But instead of being helpful the powers-that-be are demonizing them and silencing them. It doesn't paint a very good picture

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 I hear what you're saying and most of this is allegations and your opinion or the repeated narrative that antivaxxers or vaccine hesitant concerned say without real proof to discredit the efficacy and safety of the vaccine.

Also being ostracized is not force. You're not forced. If you believe in your cause strong enough then don't get it and find a new job. I've left companies for way less. Nothing in life can escape cause and effect. It might be difficult and it might be frustrating but i truly believe in tje majority of scientists and doctors that agree that the vaccines are again... Safe and effective

[Grond21]

I'd appreciate it if you changed your approach. You say you're a friendly guy, and so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't mean those accusations. Because this is what I was talking about. Rather than starting a discussion or agreeing to disagree on my points, you said that it's only allegations, it's only my opinion, it's only from a narrative, anti-vaxxers have given me that narrative, I don't have real proof, and the whole point of it is just to discredit the true efficacy and safety of the vaccine. So I'm going to look past all of those unhelpful accusations.

You're right that being ostracized is not forced. However ostracization can indeed lead to force. That's one of the ways that Hitler was able to isolate and his population to turn against the Jews. So if enough ostracization happens it becomes force. But I do think that people should leave their jobs if they feel like they're being put in a moral quandary by their company.
As for your last sentence, I would qualify it if I may. Some vaccines are safe and effective.

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 ok I see what you mean after I reread my reply. It doesn't read well, y apologies. It's not easy to express tone via text at times. If this sounds rude I apologize. I should have said your opinion, which all are entitled, say things like this has been shady, and that is again, your opinion. I just don't agree it's shady. I think people are working around the clock to save lives. I know my personal family members which include doctors, PAs, and a direct friend that is a scientist that works in this field. I'm lucky to have direct access like this.

Your Hitler reference is something I've seen thrown around but the difference is no one is trying to commit mass genocide. It's a bad analogy in my opinion. Nothing here is a halocaust. The difference here is the unvaccinated are the ones mainly dying. Mandates can totally be disagreed with but unless you can say with real proof, which there isn't, that the vaccine is killing millions like a lethal injection, then it is nothing to compare to what Hitler did.

[AmandaYVR]

@Grond21 Very well said, Grond. 👏👏👏

[Grond21]

Apology accepted, and thank you! I could tell you were being cordial and didn't mean it.

I'm not trying to prove this to you. I haven't we haven't presented evidence in order to convince, I'm just trying to lay out my position. We can get to the evidence later, if we like.
But here's what I see. I see companies foregoing many of the usual standards for developing these vaccines. I see them partnering with governments so that if any damage is done by them they cannot be held legally liable. I see those government mandating the vaccines and the companies getting money for them without having to incur any risk. I see the regulatory bodies of government, particularly in the USA, abandoning all standards of testing, reporting, and monitoring. I see big media companies silencing and misrepresenting the concerns of those who see these problems. And then I see those who try to dig deeper getting demonized.

So, assuming that what I am seeing is reasonable to me, does it make sense why I might be hesitant?

[Grond21]

As for the Hitler analogy, it's important to remember that we shouldn't make the mistake of only seeing the same patterns Hitler engaged in once genocide has already happened. We said "Never Again" for a reason, and we need to make sure that we call out those patterns when they begin, not only once millions are dead.

@AmandaYVR Thank you!! And I encountered someone who had parosmia from Covid. I will message you about it

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 I appreciate the conversation, and I am thankful for your thoughts because they're actually thoughtful and thought out. I can definitely see why you or anyone is hesitant. It's scary times for sure. That said, i'm still not sure I understand your Hitler reference. The government has allowed companies/universities to require vaccinations for a long time. Is it possible they're listening to the science and not up to nefarious reasons. If that's what you were implying earlier. I'm not sure based on how you worded it. I understand people might feel it's too soon for this vaccine but what if all the scientists are actually good? What if people actually can and are doing good, it's actually safe, effective and we ignore it?

My concern in what you said (paraphrasing) the fear that we can't wait for millions to die... Well we have over 5 million dead worldwide from covid already. Experts believe it could be close to 10 million because other countries might not be reporting accurately do to their lack of means to report it correctly. If you can't believe in the experts, and have to assume the worst, like history of Hitler repeating itself, we might miss the solution sitting right in front of us.

[Grond21]

Thank you! It can be stressful talking about this topic, especially because, as you pointed out, so much is on the line.

In terms of all the scientists being good? I don't accept that because that's never been true. You have never had a situation the world where everyone involved was good and selfless. That's viewing humans in an Angelic sort of way, and we have never reached those heights. So there's going to be bad actors and to assume everyone is somehow acting with pure intentions isn't helpful. That's not to say most are acting nefariously, but we need to keep a watchful eye out.

As to the Hitler reference, my point was it his social imaginations resulted in somewhere between 25 to 45 million dead. And if we could have stopped those manipulations before they had gotten too much power, we would have. But since we can't change the past the best we can do is identify those same patterns when they come up again and try to stop them in the future. And I see the same patterns happening now.

Does that make sense?

[AmandaYVR]

@Grond21 My thoughts exactly. 🎯

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 Your Hitler reference makes sense yes. Thanks for the clarification. We definitely need to pay attention to those signs, but I do not believe this vaccine is going to be the next premeditated mass genocide.

These next several statements aren't sarcastic although it will sound it.

If this is a plan to kill off millions or even billions of people, what do you think happens afterwards? Will a Lex Luthor like character emerge? I believe evil exists, but I do believe that if this was evil, that the majority of scientists putting this out here for us are good. I do not believe everyone could be so easily hushed. A friend of mine who's a scientist working closely with vaccines would have to be a fantastic liar and one of the smartest dumbasses ever to be duped into thinking it's safe and effective and it's all just a diabolical plan. What if 25-50 million unvaccinated people die because we have little faith in fellow man? Who's fault will that be if a solution was here all along but no one believes it? I'm not sure if that last question is entirely fair but it's starting to get alarming when you look at deaths of vaccinated vs unvaccinated. We're showing proof and no one believes the data? If you're right and I'm wrong then who is the bad actor (s)? By my calculations it would be every major health organization, every first world country, 99.9% of doctors and scientists? Yeah that's not a bet I'd make. If I'm wrong I'm not sure if I'd even want to live in the world that is willing to kill billions.

[Grond21]

Good! I am glad it does. And let me clarify a little bit more. Hitler was evil not just because he was a murderer. He was evil because he convinced normal people to become murderers themselves. He promulgated an ideology that was destructive and evil, while simultaneously establishing totalitarian control so that he could achieve his version of utopia. Mass genocide was the inevitable result. But like you pointed out, we need to stop it before it gets to that point. And that means stopping the totalitarianism and the ideological possession. And it's those two things that I see rapidly on the rise.

Thank you for the clarification, and I don't take these as being sarcastic.

You actually don't need the majority of scientists to be evil. You don't need the majority of those in government to be evil. You just need enough to be willing to look the other way, and you need a very convincing narrative that encourages or pressures people to not dig deep into the science. Plus, because scientists are so highly specialized these days, most are taking the majority of what they hear on faith that the media is reporting accurately, because they don't have time to investigate it themselves.

I am not maintaining the vaccine is inherently bad. In fact it has helped a lot of people. What I am maintaining is that the forced push to implement it, come hell or high water, all around the world is deeply disturbing. It gives governments the power that they should not have, all in the name of health and safety. It allows them to act in ways that are totalitarian and Evil. And as we have seen in every example of every government that went corrupt in human history, once they take the power they will never give it up until the people revolt. And I would prefer to not reach that stage. I would prefer the government stay in the power of the people, rather than the other way around

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 As I re-read what we've said so far, I think we're at that point where we understand each other's points but see two paths this could possibly go into the near future.

For ex all of your concerns with the past repeating itself are valid concerns because you're looking at real examples of when things went terribly wrong. I can't sit here and say it's impossible for some of the things are concerned with could happen again.

I agree 100% we need to pay attention to the signs you spoke to and make sure we don't repeat the history you have referred to.

Here's where I think we're split on which is the present. I believe as imperfect as our government is, they are currently trying to get vaccines in people because will save more lives than harms exponentially. I believe currently the good scientists are winning the battle over the few that might be up to no good. I believe people are so concerned about the past, which is understandable, is unfortunately clouding judgement of where we are actually today. Which is in a pandemic. The past doesn't definitely indicate future events because we can and in my opinion are better (not perfect). I think mandates are a the because fear is taking over in this current moment. Which is why 85-90% of unvaccinated people are dying of covid.

Here's the sad reality. I could be wrong. It would be ignorant if I said I knew this is a fact. Basically everything we both stated is opinion based on possible experiences we've had in our lives or from history before our time.

I've thought about what's the impact to mankind if I'm correct vs incorrect. Maybe we're both asking each other to think this. We've had moments in time thay were bad and good. I bet this current state is way more good than bad being put out there to save lives. Methods might not be favorable at times but intended for good.

If you think differently, I can't change your mind but I do think less vaccinated people equals more deaths long term.

[Grond21]

Thank you again for your well articulated thoughts. I really appreciate it. Perhaps at a later date we can come back to this and see if the latest evidence has changed one of our minds

[Friendlybro79]

@Grond21 For sure. Thank you for the kind words regarding being articulate. I should proof read more because my grammar is awful when typing on a phone ha. Have a good day.

[AmandaYVR]

You two are great. Group hug.

[Nightroads]

Glad I got to see this one through.

[pink_and_inlove]

It’s fine I understand other people’s point of views on this thing

[Paris13]

Beautiful. xx

[pink_and_inlove]

Thank you for mho

[Paris13]

Welcome, dear. xx

[MrOracle]

The vaccine doesn't make you "safe" - it merely means you'll have less severe symptoms and for a shorter amount of time. And the effects of the vaccine only last 3-6 months. There's a lot of mis-understanding of what it does, and many people think the vaccine makes them immune forever. It doesn't.

[Exterminatore]

Right. And what you just stated is part of why I’m questioning why they’re pushing it so hard. I can see it if it made one immune, like MMR or polio vaccine. But it doesn’t do that. Meanwhile people are all: “I need you to get a vaccine so my vaccine will work.” Too much odd stuff I’ve never seen in my 44 years on this earth surrounding the illness and vaccine that don’t add up.

[Paris13]

I agre and Hear it Can Change your DNA. xx

[Friendlybro79]

@Paris13

That is misinformation about altering DNA. If you'd like to hear from experts this is shown false. Here's a few ex

www.cdc.gov/.../facts.html

www.unicef.org/.../covid-19-vaccine-does-not-change-human-dna

www.reuters.com/.../factcheck-coronavirus-vaccines-idUSL1N2PK1DC

https://fullfact.org/health/klaus-schwab-vaccines/

[OlderAndWiser]

My partner and I are both vaccinated and I have also had a booster. She hasn't had the booster yet because she is younger than me and it is not yet avilable for her age bracket. I don't need to ponder this possibility.

[Paris13]

Good deal. xx

[boltfox20]

I was almost in this situation, myself. I've been with my fiancé for almost 5 years, now. When the vaccinations started coming out, she said she refused to get it, even if I did. Not only does she hate needles, she doesn't trust the government with anything. I was seriously wondering whether or not I could sustain the relationship with her, while the pandemic was going on. I see my parents every day, and they are getting up in age. Even after their shots, they could still become very ill from the virus. I was stuck between the love of my life and her paranoia or my loving parents that got the shot.

Thankfully, my parents were the ones that managed to convince her to get the shot. It was for their sake as well as her daughter's sake. Her daughter was the same way, for a while, but my parents can be very persuasive. ^_^

Thinking back on it, I don't think I would have left her. I would have warned my parents to stay away until the pandemic was over. We would have gone from in-person visits to online video chats. In the moment, though, I really didn't know. Could have gone either way. I'm glad she decided to get it, though. :)

[Exterminatore]

I just got my first shot yesterday. I had Covid in March. I would not have gotten it if my employer did not mandate it. My wife got it a while ago as did my step son. Both seem to be fine with no ill effects.


I did not want to get it but I make good money and have a family to provide for. So the bottom line is I had no choice.


I did not want to get it because I see major inconsistencies in the Covid story and also the fact that they are pushing this vaccine is highly suspicious as is the vaccines development. I do not care to look at the science involving the vaccine. All I know is in my 44 years on this earth I have yet to see a vaccine pushed so hard for something that is not more dangerous for most people than the flu. So by virtue of how that and the lack of testing and many other factors the science is irrelevant and how it’s being pushed plus the inconsistencies with all concerning Covid are relevant. I don’t need to know the science to see the behavior of those in power and the stories in the media are not adding up.


Anyway, I can totally respect reservations to getting it and I hope you can too. Again I wouldn’t have got it if I had a realistic choice in the matter. I truly can’t see why anyone who doesn’t have serious health issues would want it at this stage in the game. I see this as no reason to end a relationship.

[Puppystarfish23]

The vaccine is the cure it's made out to be earlier this year I lost my cusion from the vaccine. It caused him to have a massive blood clot and a bleed on the brain causing him to have a stroke and die at only 32 years old leaving behind a 3 year old and a soon to be wife. I also lost my 80 year old grandad last week after he caught covid in hospital for other illnesses, he was a young, healthy 80 year old before he got sick and he had only just had his booster jab a week before he went into hospital.

[Puppystarfish23]

My sister and two of my friends also got covid whilst being vaccinated too

[Puppystarfish23]

Isn't the cure*

[Paris13]

I am So Very Sorry. I will take what you Say to Heart. I am Really NOT into This Vaccine. It has Been Created to Do Genocide on People... My Prayers, sweetheart and Thank you for this,. xxoo

[Friendlybro79]

@Paris13 The vast majority of people dying of covid are unvaccinated. What happens if you and other folks who believe in these mass conspiracies of genocide are wrong? Who are you putting your faith in to believe you can say the most probable reason for the creation of the vaccine is mass genocide?

[Puppystarfish23]

@Friendlybro79 I don't think my cusions death was a conspiracy. Pretty sure it was caused by the vaccine. Not normal everyday thing for a 33 year old man to have a random blood clot and stroke not long after coincidentally being vaccined. He also went and got vaccinated with my cusion who's 36 (his stister) who also got a blood clot but luckily they caught on to her quick enough.

The saddest thing is the day before his vaccine he was saying how excited he was for it as he was due to be married and wanted to be with his family and friends again. The next time he was with his family and friends was at his funeral.

So tell his fiancé and little boy but it was a conspiracy. It's easy to call everyone who questions the vaccine a anti vac or a nut job until it's someone you know who dies from it

[Friendlybro79]

@Puppystarfish23 I wasn't saying that towards your situation, and I'm sorry to hear about your family members. I've had death of friends, near death of friends and family members due to covid. I was replying to someone else and directed it at them and wasn't meant to be accusing you of anything.

[HayleyMarie]

To me it doesn’t matter, and I wouldn’t break up with someone just because they weren’t vaccinated and I am.


But…I will say this from my experience. My most recent ex was against the Covid vaccine. I respected his opinion and choice, and he respected mine to be vaccinated. I did find though that him and I had very different morals, values etc and that’s one thing that made us incompatible. Not the vaccine itself, but our views on the world were very different and long term that may not work for a relationship.

[Paris13]

We all Have Different Views. xx

[libsaretards]

Yes because that is their choice. If that is the reason you break up with someone then you do not deserve a relationship period. If you are vaccinated and the vaccination works then you have nothing to worry about. If it does not work then it was not worth getting the vaccination in the first place. A relationship is all about respecting each other, including their individual decisions that have nothing to do with you. Anyone even considering the vax/not vax issue as a criteria for a relationship is not mature enough for a relationship.

[Paris13]

Beautiful. xx

[Lliam]

It's more unwise to be with someone who HAS gotten jabbed. They transfer spike proteins (which ARE the disease) and other toxic shit that's in those concoctions. Among other risks, for those who want to have kids one day, the vax effects the reproductive organs and can cause sterility. That can even transfer to an unvaxed partner.

[okeydoke]

You read this where? Nonsense Quarterly?

[Lliam]

@okeydoke. You hear the unified narrative from every mainstream media source and assume that you know all there is to know? Ever heard of manufactured consensus? You have no idea that they are censoring all information that questions the official pharma narrative, even when it comes from hundreds of leading experts in the field and thousands of medical professionals around the globe? In other words, since you never heard it, it must be fake. LOL

[Paris13]

Thanks!! xx

[Levin]

Let's not forget that the original accompanying leaflets for health professionals for the main jabs in the UK said something to the tune on, impacts on fertility not known.

It beggars belief how people swept it under the carpet when it was mentioned.

[Cherry234]

The only way I'll stay with a partner who is unvaccinated is because of medical reasons. I'm vaccinated and I do not want to be with an anti-vaxxer or some type of conspiracy theorist. And I'm going to ignore the people on here who say I or other people are stupid or don't deserve a relationship because we care about vaccine status. If they're not concerned about their own health or safety, it's their problem, not mine. I'm not going to listen to ignorant people on g@g who aren't medical experts

[Cherry234]

Some people on here really frustrate me with their nonsense but I'm keeping my cool

[Paris13]

Those who are Ignorant do their Research... xx

[menina]

Half and half Paris. People have different reasons for not wanting to be vaccinated. If it was for medical reasons I would stay with him. But if he was a Covid denier I guess we would have to break up.
Besides you can be vaccinated and still get sick. So we will always be unsafe. 😔

[Paris13]

I Agree, @menina xx

[menina]

I'm glad you do. :)

[Anonymous]

Look at china. There are rarely corona cases in china now since china "forced" everyone to get the vaccine. Due to non vaccinated people we get mutations of this virus that make the vaccine less effective. So in this case democracy sucks when majority of people are retarded. I am really done with this corona bs. Dont say your body and choice. Your body and choice kill important people like doctors, nurses etc. and we dont we live in an anarchy. If people back then in Europe act like the anti vaccine people we would still had diseases like polio (virus,) smallpox etc.
I am really sick of this corona pandemic and i really want the life to be normal again.

[Opinion Owner]

Ok i can understand why people dont want to be vaccinated since media is very aggressiv towards people who question this vaccine. So if state/media was very nice and explain the all the questions of people msybe there would not be many anti vaccine people

[Opinion Owner]

I am sorry for sounding so aggressive and offensive

[Opinion Owner]

But i would not break up with him for this reason.

[Paris13]

Politically Speaking, Many are too. xx

[CaliGirlBH]

Your already with them so why bother not being together now.
The ones who aren't vaccinated are the ones who should be worried.
Yes vaccinated people can get covid but it won't put us in the hospital ICU.
Also vaccinated people can give it to unvaccinated people.

[Paris13]

Vaccinated people have Gotten it and Died. I think More Carry the germs. xx

[lightbulb27]

I stayed with my partner while she was not vaccinated. She supported me when I was sick from covid over facetime and deliveries, which is how I wanted it. That's partners, stay together and support.

Other people in life did nothing for me when I was down, they were a waste. Pick a good partner, stick with them. You really want someone who runs when things get scary? thus widsom seems obvious.

if there is some underlying health issue that means a threat to them, I'd think about that. Like I would not want to hurt her or the kids with some illness, I'd remove myself/isolate to save them. She has to survive to support the kids, I'm extra. The male sacrifices for the female... that's nature.

[exitseven]

Glad you recovered.

[lightbulb27]

@exitseven thank you. I think it did some damage, but I'm functioning.

[exitseven]

good, I think.

[NathanDavis]

I just met with a Pediatrist that doesn't trust the COVID vaccine, so I thought okay... you do not TRUST a rushed vaccine, I didn't care because I was not there to rely on her professional services...

but then she mentioned that she doesn't believe on any vaccines.. a Pediatrist? I was like what the hell? but I said nothing because well... we met for a different reason

so to me... it would be similar in relationships, more than having trouble with a partner as to whether they will do anything or won't do it... I like to know, and to hear and to understand about their reasons and their reasoning... that is way more important to me

[Shizunk]

The vaccine doesn't stop transmission of virus, so other people being vaccinated does not protect you, especially not if you spend a lot of time together. So health wise leaving someone for that is beyond dumb.
If you leave someone for temporary political disagreement about whether it is ok to press everyone into vaccination, even if they are the only ones to benefit from their own jab, that would be very shortsighted. If you already tolerate your partners views but freak out about this one, you would imho be extremely unreasonable.

[NetSapien]

Vaccines don't do anything to others, only to those that are vaccinated.

A vaccinated person can carry and infect others just like an unvaccinated. And there are reasons to not vaccinate which include pre-existing medical conditions.

If you vaccinate it is for your own protection, but you must be able to get it in the first place. Someone that breaks off a relationship because of vaccination status, in my opinion, are either ignorant or are looking for a reasons to justify the break up.

[TommyMountainFigure]

I wish i could give a straight forward yes or no answer to this question Paris but when it comes to this bloody virus, NOTHING is black and white.
Let me explain:-
Some people think that because they have had the jab they are immune and cannot pass on the virus, this causes them to behave as if it never existed. Other people won't take it (for whatever reason) and treat everyone they meet as lepers.
So you see I cannot recognise that question, but what I will say is, I wear a proper mask when I go anywhere there are lots of people in an enclosed area. One of these:-
https://www.earshotcommunications.co.uk/shop/product/3m-6800-series-full-face-reusable-respirator/

[NamerOfStars]

Assuming you mean for Covid, and that you have? I'd say probably not. Not for direct reasons; the shots don't keep you from catching or spreading it, so it doesn't directly affect you at all, but because it indicates a fundamental difference, not merely of opinion, but of philosophy. If your views on risk-taking and assessments are THAT different, you're in for a rough ride. Not every tempestuous relationship ends badly, and there IS something to be said for always having something to fight about, though.

[Razp_Sorbet]

I don't see why anyone has any excuse not to get vaccinated unless their doctor has specifically said they shouldn't. I don't think I could be with someone who refuses to even after being educated.

[Paris13]

Keep reading... xx

[Razp_Sorbet]

Read what? Scientific studies? Done ✅ stats for my own country? Done ✅

What more is there to read? Conspiracies? No thanks.

[Levin]

This is experimental, still in clinical trials until 2023, only has emergency use authorisation, no long term testing.

None of those are conspiracy theories, but basic statements of facts.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Levin weird I read the stage 3 clinical study data 🧐

[Shamalien]

Oh like you’ve read every study. Information pertaining to this issue is heavily censored and you don’t strike me as the type to dig deep

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Shamalien you don't need to dig deep to read medical information. The whole point of clinical study information being released to the public is so it's easily accessible for people to read. If you have to dig deep to find something wrong with a medicine/vaccine then you're just actively looking for issues. That's conformation bias.

[Shamalien]

You’re simply naive. Nothing more to say

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Shamalien mm no. You're just stupid 🤷🏻‍♀️ just say you don't want the vaccine I don't give a shit. You don't have to make up bullshit excuses.

[AviatorTom]

How about this?

In the 2019-20 flu season (preCOVID), 40 thousand Americans died from the flu. In that 5 month (Nov-Mar) flu season, that equates to 2000 flu deaths per week. As of Nov 2021, the US is averaging about 1000 COVID deaths per week, about half that of a typical flu season. Considering these stats, one can reasonably ask, "What's the big deal?"

[Razp_Sorbet]

@AviatorTom there was about 20 thousand flu related deaths in 2019-2020. There's been over 700 thousand covid deaths... You're averaging 1000 a week because of vaccines. If you look at January the average week was 3 thousand. April last year it was 2 thousand. 700k deaths over 3 ish years is about 250k deaths a year. 12x more than the flu.

[Razp_Sorbet]

My math is bad sorry it's not even been 2 years so 350k deaths a year.

[Razp_Sorbet]

That's almost 20x more just so you know 🙂

[t-8900]

If people on death's door aren't afraid why should I be?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5jldJnR740s

[Paris13]

Fearless Leader. xx

[t-8900]

lmao yeah right! XD

[menina]

There's a part of me that wants to laugh with your answer and another who thinks that this is wrong.
We don't have to be old to die.

[t-8900]

@menina I thought I was going to die about 4 days ago. but my point being that their immune systems honestly cannot get ANY weaker than they are now and they aren't afraid. Should tell you something about how serious they really are about the whole thing. I think it's more motivated by economic reform then real concern ngl.

[menina]

Really? May I ask what happened? I thought I was going to die 3 times. When I was 12, then when I was 16 and the last time was when I was 22.
I totally understand you. They shouldn't be playing with their health like that.
You're absolutely right, it's all about economy recovery. That's how I feel about the politicians of the country where I live.

[t-8900]

@menina so 4 days ago i ate some pecans and well... I'm allergic to pecans. I swelled up really bad, eyes and throat closing, eardrums felt like they were going to explode along with my brains, terrible rashes and hives, they took a long time getting to me. By the time they did I was so swollen up they had to spend 30 mins trying to get an IV into me.

[menina]

That sounds like a nightmare! I'm glad you're ok now.