"I could be the most beautiful woman on earth and still not be attractive to guys without a graduate degree and a very high IQ"
Is it the graduate degree and the high IQ that makes you attractive, or what having those qualities leads to? What does it even mean to have either? It means you have patience, persistence, tenacity, and ingenuity. In theory, you don't get a college or post-graduate degree without those characteristics; therefore, having such a title to your name signifies is that an academic institution tested you, against some known baseline of comprehension on a range of subjects, and you passed. That's what the diploma represents. Putting aside the absolutely unreasonable cost of education, you don't need a graduate degree to be desirable, but if you managed to get one, you then have a common knowledge base: something to talk about and a network of like-minded individuals.
The fundamental question you are asking is "do I need to be college-educated, in order to be desired for more that just my body?" No, but you do need to understand the world around you. If you are attractive only as long as you keep your mouth shut, then things are going to end poorly. No man wants to be accompanied by a dim-witted, vapid woman longer than necessary.
Personality before either
A degree and intelligence will ALWAYS get you further in life than your looks. You can have a "hot" body but be an airhead: that's not attractive to me. Yeah I know, that's how some people get ahead in life and get partners, but what happens when those looks fade? You have nothing to fall back on.
Better still, focus on balancing the two: taking care of yourself and your body, while learning as much as you can. That's an attractive person.
When I was younger I cared so much about looks. Nowadays I prioritize education the more knowledgeable you are the more powerful you can be.
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Stated brutally, honestly, males have a tendency to isolate people who have a different cultural / educational / intellectual level from theirs. This happens both for the partner and for the social network of friends.
In relationships, this is no different. It is very difficult for a woman with a higher culture / education / intellect than a man to find a partner easily. Many women are doomed to two ways when studying, either to remain spinsters or to find a partner who accepts them despite their education with difficulty.
Men with an inferior education consider a woman with tertiary education ugly. In the demographic literature, the more a woman has studied, the less she has a propensity to have a partner, the lower the propensity to marry as incel (word coined for woman not for man).
The average man considers more ugly an intelligent woman or woman with tertiary education. This brutally limits a woman's mating possibilities, unless she is only looking for people with at least her level of education. This is the reason because educated marry each other. If I look at my Phd mates, all of their mates / husbands have at least a master degree, some even a Phd.
Men only care about a woman's physique. Very rare that it also affects the intellectual part, if the man is not already an intellectual person. But woman's look count at least 50%.
Some of the smartest people i know were only high school graduates or high school dropouts. I also know plenty of people with Doctorates and Masters who are complete dumbasses. Education is largely overrated. As long as you have enough education to intelligently hold conversation with people and go about every day life, i dont really care beyond that. Obviously if you are a doctor or lawyer or engineer you need extensive schooling/training, but most jobs and most people can get by just fine without a fancy degree.
Looks are important to a degree, particularly when looking for or starting a relationship. You want to be attracted to them. Looks are often important to get the ball rolling so to say. But looks are subjective to a degree (what i find attractive, others may not and vice versa) and will fade as we age. Additionally the more you grow to care about someone and love someone the more you will naturally be attracted to them.
Far more important than either of these, is character, personality, values, beliefs, etc.
I was typing my opinion when I realized, you're asking about education vs. looks. I was answering intelligence vs. looks. If I have to choose between education and looks, looks wins. Choosing between intelligence and looks, intelligence is more attractive.
Education is a luxury virtually everywhere in the world. More than anything it's a measure of wealth. This is particularly true at the college level where borrowing huge sums of money is the norm. The contrast is even more pronounced at the graduate level.
Education and intelligence are different. The simple way I like to look at it is: education is the knowledge you’ve gained from learning, intelligence is the actions you take with that knowledge.
I personally would be more supportive for you getting thinner legs to be healthier than to look better. (I don’t care about looks, because I figure our bodies age - there’s no stopping it, but our intelligence/personality is a lot less likely to change)
Think about what looks and education mean to you and try to find a man with similar views.
I care about both. My lifes work has been educating myself / seeking truth, building what I call wells of strength I'll need to draw upon for what comes after in eternity. I believe there will be a tear in creation & somethings going to have to hold it together to give god the time he needs. I believe it will cost me everything.
I've heard the wails of the damned, they cry out in unison & their intention is to bring their suffering to those God sheltered. I think Christians have become weak as a whole & that's the reason I've been tormented suffering so long & had to sacrifice so much. I been the parent since 12 after a life of living hell. I'm not like most Christians as I think there's a chance the brightest ligjt in heaven may be saved. My investments haven't been on this earth for the most part but for eternity.
I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking I'm crazy but I do not serve myself & I know what I know.
Looks.
I, personally would not have found someone with a college degree MORE attractive over someone who had only graduated from high school for example.
Career... money... education aren't things that "attracted" me. Someone who was nice looking, somewhat fit, that was a kind, loving, feminine person who had the same values as I did and had the same life goals I did was what I was looking for.
Her having a master's degree or not wasn't an issue. I think women are more concerned with stuff like that.
The right guy will like you just as you are Jennifer, If you want to change something about yourself, be it slimmer legs or graduate degree? he'll support you regardless! That's what makes him the right guy!
What do i care about more? Being healthy and growing old together with the one I love sounds good to me..
You shouldn't need to get a graduate degree to score a date - that's coming from a somewhat elitist UChicago grad working on a physics PhD. Not everyone who's smart has a graduate (or any) degree. And not everyone who's smart is someone you'd want to date.
Sure looks has great impact with opinions on a person, especially at young age. I think sincerely, after the first superficial judgement, the second fundamental step isn’t the level of education, but the capability of having interesting discussions, empathy, capability of comprehension and having deep thoughts. I sincerely don’t think a degree means high level conversations or deep thoughts, obviously it’s easier to have such things from a person with an higher education.
In order to attract a guy and start a relationship looks are more important however in order to retain that relationship education is more important. Else one could just end up with a broken heart everytime. About your legs, don't think about making them slimmer because 1.) Men like thunder thighs which is why this term was coined. 2.) The rest of your body might look disproportionate after you make them slimmer.
Nor looks nor degrees makes you interested in that person , yes looks can be there for first time but to keep intrested in that person is how well they behave , how they cope up wid you , what vibes you getting wid them. Aren't they manupilative?
So more it's all about persons upbringing and later on yes looks , degrees , etc... etc.
Looks.
While I tend to like girls who at least went to college, been with plenty of girls whose highest education was highschool and it was just fine.
At the end of the day I'm not attracted to a girl for her intellect, while I appreciate intelligence I'm predominantly concerned with the sexual/emotional man to woman nature of a conversation
I just do not care once a girl has met a minimum intelligence level.
Although my education is very important to me, a boy's education is not something I think about but I do notice if he is good looking. Also, in the crowd I run around with, boys value looks over education and it is not even close. However, while I have never been you age, you have been my age. Therefore, you would know if what teenage boys and girls value changes over the next twenty or so years.
I care about both, but perhaps education more. Sometimes I have dated people for their personality, and then slowly found them more attractive. But I wouldn't date someone who wasn't intelligent or able to conversate well, also there are different types of education. Someone who went to high school and got a trade certification is educated just as someone who went to university is.
Well if you're a good person with good morals then more often then not looks aren't a problem and the way I see people is not the same as most people anyways. I mean if a person is just nasty and disgusting I might not date them.
Just stop talking yourself out of it and ask him out before you loose your chance. Then you will know. Right?
Best of luck
Both looks and brains are important to me, but I couldn't care less about level of education as long as she has a skill/career that supports her independence.
If by "education" you mean a college degree, well some of the dumbest people I have known have college degrees. Some fellow teachers are very illogical and stupid from what I have seen IRL.
I don't care about education, but I will reframe it to the way someone approaches a problem. If you are able to approach a problem in an admirable way, or in a way that hasn't been brought up but is also very relevant, I find that attractive over education. Education is not the best indicator of how smart someone is.
Really don’t give a rats ass about education. Can’t teach common sense, as long as she’s clever and motivated to live the same kind of life as me I couldn’t care less about a piece of paper
nobody will fall in love with you because you have nice legs or a good education. they fall in love with your personality.
A formal education is not a prerequisite but somebody needs to have some ambition and a plan for the future. Just wanting to get married and have kids is not a plan.
depends if I'm after long term relationships or just a quick hookup. Long term it has to be a balance between looks and personality. But education or IQ is irrelevant to me, it's more about if the girl is kind and fun
I like both but I would have to lean more towards education just bc I find it super attractive and a big turn on when guys are well educated and use it well.
Looks >>> educationI've met some "educated" women that weren't very smart. If a woman is going to be intelligent, I'd prefer she be emotionally and financially intelligent.
Personally I look for a happy medium where if it's only about the next question would be can they carry a normal intelligent conversation. Sometimes good looks can make a person ugly if they are ignorant and/or shitty personality. Just my opinion
Like women, all guys are different. For this guy, that matters. Personally I don't really care that much about it, within reason lol. I don't want someone that knows nothing and has common sense. But beyond that, that's not something that is a "turn on" romantically.
I don't care about either. I prefer a guy thats funny and likes to have a good time
Education? Yes. Degrees? No. But appearance also matters.
I see it like there are certain minimum standards for who I date.
IQ has to be a minimum of 120 (I've got a 138 IQ, under 120 and I get irritated)
Education is relative to age, but I want to see at least an associate's degree by 25, preferably a bachelor's (I had my masters by then)
Minimum of a 5 in the looks deptMinimum of a 7 in the bedroomFemale partners should be submissive, male partners excessively dominant.
I personally wouldn’t care what kind of education my potential partner has.
I care about Education, beauty is skin deep, and in the eyes of the beholder
imagine the majority of guys would rather date an average looking girl with average intelligence and a decent personality. if it meant she didn't have any financial debt and a degree that may or may not get used in the future.
Def looks education especially today means little. I care about intelligence a lot but looks is kinda more essential tbh. But not are essential id say
I notice most of the women with advanced degrees are narcissistic about it which is a massive turn off. All other things being equal education is attractive but it’s not that attractive and all other things are rarely equal.
Neither beats character. I think our generation is finally learning this lesson the hard way.
I care more about looks; sorry.
But there are better men than I that prefer education!
I need some degree of both, but I can't stand stupid women.
Not looking to pay off someones else's school loans.
I guess I will choose looks.
Most guys care more about looks, but it can be a good way to avoid gold diggers.
In women, looks, I don't care much about education being a factor in me being attracted to them, I prefer intelligence and a good work ethic
more intelligence, wisdom than education.
Education is not unequivocally related to intelligence.
Men do not care about you education, or occupation.
Men are hard wired to be interested in your DNA.
Education more because guys won't care about me if i will be just a pretty face. They get bored easily
Your premise is false. A lot of people with B's get into graduate school - I wasn't anywhere near a 4.0, though I did great on the GRE.
The program I want to get into is one of the best in the country and only accepts 60 students a year
They said on their website if you get a B in any of the prerequisite classes they will not let you into grad school.
It doesn’t matter to me. I like personality and if we click.
Neither to me its about creativity. I like the artsy types.
Depends on what you mean by education.
I care about family education more than looks, but academic education is barely a factor for me.
No, men don’t give a fk about education. Wisdom, yes, for some, but education? Like formal education? Most of that is BS these days anyway
@jennifer_bloom To be honest, I don't care if she's smart. All I care about is whether she has the same hobbies & has compatible values.
As a male, A females education is not very important.
Looks and personality.
Open mindedness and kindness too.
Loyalty. Education would be in last
I prefer girls with above average intelligence. I dont think nerdy girls are ugly.
Looks and intelligence
Looks.. I could careless about her education..
neither are at the top of my list...
education. I want someone engaging
Brains is important and a good funny personality
Education... on myself.
how smart is 'smart enough'
Both
Looks. Education is not what it used to be.
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