Why are half of adults 18-24 stuck living with their parents?

[Anonymous]

Societal chaos

Bad parenting

Bad jobs

People don't care anymore

People love living at home

Updates

2 mo

Societal chaos: People don't know what sex they want to fuck day to day or what gender they are.

[JoePro_]

I didn't respond with any of the given options for "Why?" because I think it's multiple things going on.

First, societal expectations for children have changed. That doesn't mean traditional households exist, only that children staying at home for longer periods of time has become more socially acceptable, because other things have also changed. So I think it's understood that not all children will leave home at 18.

Some of the things that have changed is the expectation for higher learning. This is now starting to be unlearned, but for the last 30-40 years, it's been taught that the only way to be successful is to go to college/uni and get a degree. And because lots of things are expensive, and because parents want to be helpful, one of the way to mitigate the expenses and be helpful is to let your children stay with you while they work on their degree.

Additionally, college and uni are far more expensive than they used to be. A lot of that has to do with government loans. Because schools know that the government is willing to give x-amount of money toward a student's education, college's ask for the full amount by the way they set their costs, and as such, every time the government increases the amount of loans they're willing to give out (at the expense of the taxpayer), schools increase the costs of education. And the government works it into their tax increases because not all loans get repaid, and so that falls on the taxpayer. So we're paying for it out of both ends. Profits on loans, and tax increases.

Another common complaint is that it's nearly impossible to have a home or even apartment of your own on a single wage. That's true. Part of that has to do with inflation, part of it has to do with a "doubled" workforce", and part of it has to do with ever-increasing insurance and overhead costs.

Inflation is inflation. Long story short, sometimes inflation is just a result of the nature of how the economy is doing, and sometimes it's about how much money exists in the economy. Basically, as the cost of goods increases, so does everything else up the chain. As an example of "the nature of the economy", it would be farms. If it cost more for water and feed one year, then the cost of the crops and herds cost more to raise, which increases their cost to sell, which increases the cost of what the grocery store charges, which increases the cost of your food budget. And this doesn't just affect "people" buying food, but other businesses. And so their costs to operate also go up. For how inflation is tied to the amount of currency floating around the economy, you can look that part up.

A doubled workforce is the fact that both men and women are now in the workforce. When workers were less, employers had to incentivize the best workers of the bunch with higher wages. But because the workforce has more options for employers, they can pay less and have more workers. That's why corporations were backers in "Women's Rights". Not because they cared about women, but they knew (in the long run) that it would lower their operation costs and wages. Now, because men and women are about equal in the workforce, it takes 2 wages to support a single house, whereas before women were in the workforce, it took 1 wage to support a house.

Insurance and other overhead costs tend to be tied to government regulations, Federal and State (here in the US). As such, when regulations get tighter, or increase, or get more expensive, it falls on the businesses to come within compliance. This usually increases the time it takes for a business to be within compliance, and the fees it costs when they're not incompliance, and the fees the government is requiring the business to charge for certain products and services. Which falls on the employees in some ways (out of their paycheck), or in taxes and fees directly to the government.

All that said, it's expensive to live on your own, and if you want to live on your own, you either need to find a job that pays great at 18 (usually trade jobs), get a degree with a good chance of earning you a good salary out of college (do the internet searches required, don't trust a school career counselor), and/or get married or live with roommates.

[JoePro_]

Correction to my opinion: Second paragraph. "That doesn't mean traditional households 'don't' exist."

[MrOracle]

1. Many people in that age range are in college. Probably half of them shouldn't be, given that they are likely taking out sizable student loans but aren't pursuing a degree that is likely to land them a good paying job. People have been taught that they must go to college, no matter what, and as long as they do, it doesn't matter what they study. That's completely divorced from the real world, but it has made colleges wealthy.

2. 60 years ago, not only were there half as many people in the US (or the world), but only half of those people worked outside the home (overwhelmingly men). The reason J. P. Morgan funded campaigns for women to work outside the home was to dilute the labor market, driving down wages by increasing the supply of workers, so today it takes 2 people to earn the equivalent of what a single person earned 60 years ago.

3. In the past, nearly everyone was married, which meant you needed half as much housing per population. Today, everyone is single, which doubles the need for housing, plus everyone feels they deserve what would have been luxury housing 60 years ago.

4. vGo back and watch The Honeymooners with Jackie Gleason, and look at the apartment they lived in as a newlywed working class couple. Most people today would think such an apartment is WAY beneath them. That's yet another reason housing costs are so high.

5. Inflation. It was bad enough at 4% under Trump and Obama, but Sleepy Joe has the real-world inflation at 10%. I highly doubt most people have been getting 10% annual raises, right?

6. Unchecked illegal immigration. The US has added 6 million or more illegal immigrants under Biden, which dives up housing, utilities, and food prices, depresses the labor market, decimates entry-level jobs, increases crime, vandalism, insurance rates, policing costs, etc. And that's not counting the billions of tax dollars that pay to house and feed them.

So many people vote against their own best interests because they are either emotionally manipulated or shamed into doing so, and by the time they figure out the consequences of that, it's too late - the damage is already done and the bill has to be paid for by increasing taxes.

[Rosexøxø]

It’s honestly a variety of reasons…

but the biggest thing is government protocols. Second includes parents not giving some advice and paths of suggestion/ being honest of what their kids will need to do in their future or signing their kids up for certain actives/sports where they can learn talented skills OR hirable skills.

Either become a celebrity or a well paid worker, but instead parents neglect this, avoid it, aren’t aware of it, and they essentially can birth and raise kids who are economically useless and socially unwanted until they become wanted by the law POSSIBLY, and wanted by scammers and selfish salespeople.

The government/ companies’ economy works in a way to keep it going/functioning, but doesn’t exactly work to benefit the actual workers. At least not all of them.

Actually I think it mostly benefits the celebrities, and barely the upper class section of workers who obtained their wealth by passing down, and some by luck back in the days when you could you know…

just WORK HARD and make an empire happen and come of it.

[SphynxUK]

I’m in the UK. It’s incredibly hard for young people to buy, and renting is too expensive. Both my children are at home at the moment! One’s relationship ended so had to move out of their rented accommodation and the other had decided to quit a good job to travel the world. They’re temporary here while they build up some more savings before they move across the country to settle. It’s not an ideal situation for any of us, but it’ll have to do for now. I’ll be downsizing next so they won’t have the option to both be here in the future.

[godfatherfan]

None of your options work. Where is the "Millenial / Gen Z lazy fonkers" option? Yes, there are some people that have something happen and have to stay at home. There are others, like myself, who have parents that have kids working and saving for things like houses or condo's, or going to school.

With the exception of the time In the military, I stayed at my parents house until I was 25 and I got married. While my oldest, who just turned 29 yesterday, has lived with me on 2 occasions (18 months and around 9 months), he has been on his own since he was 18. My other 2 boys live with me. I like having them here so I am not in a hurry for them to leave. My middle son is working on his masters degree while saving for a house. He is 25 and will probably be here another 2 years. My youngest is 23 and still finding what he wants to do. But he works full time and sometimes takes courses for plumbing. They do not pay rent. They do not pay for food. I would never ever charge my kids for any of that. But if they were just laying around the house, not working or constantly quitting jobs because "the boss actually wanted me to work", that would not fly. I almost kicked my oldest out of the house when he tried to pull that crap. When I gave him an ultimatum, it turned his life around and I have never had to worry about him since.

My issue is those kids that live with parents, not working or working part time. They don't go to school. They just complain how it is society that is against them. Probably coming up with these nonsense pronouns to make themself feel special. Sorry, nope. Get out there and work. Go to school. Don't tell me you can't afford it. There are ways. I don't even mean go to college. College has become overpriced and isn't really the best option for many people. But there are trade schools that are a fraction of the price of college and they will give you a great career. These other people want to complain and want us to give them $15 an hour for minimum wage. Bullshiz. Minimum wage is not meant to be a living wage. It is meant to get you by while you go to school to advance yourself. Stop thinking people owe you.

[bobby_bush_eater]

It really depends where you live and what you do but there's also a massive amount of poor decision making that is encouraged and perpetuates the problem... College.

College just gatekeeps jobs in most circumstances and should not be 4 years as you could learn the application far faster on the job itself.

Not only does it inhibit your ability to earn but puts many people in debt (all private schools are a scam and cost so much more). So by the time you're 22-24 you now have a piece of paper saying go compete for your real job now.

If the salary is high you probably will not get it or you live in HCOL. Now by the time you have enough money to move out and buy something you're probably close to 30.

Pair this with the encouraged frivolous spending and low savings during your "college experience" and most people have bad habits debt and no money after college.

It absolutely shouldn't be praised or encouraged traditionally. More people should join the military (many states have free college for the national guard), or Community college, or any other non traditional way to get your diploma but not wait around for 4 years.

[Rosexøxø]

Yesssssss praise the heavens

A good portion can be on the job, and have apprenticeships and such for that, which don’t require degrees.

These people want to cherry pick “a good employee”

But no one wants to invest in forming an ideal employee 🤷‍♀️

You want someone to check all these boxes? TRAINNN them in it.

That becomes their work ethic and you can even make certain trainings or negotiate with them certain contracts, this way the company has security and the employee has living conditions at a fair and comfortable rate. It’s reality than just wishing for the employee and fantasy on some list for the company.

Why should anyone compromise and settle for less?

No one knows how to work together, work to improve/solve, and work for a cause.

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You mentioned a lot of great details in here. Appreciate it. 💯

[V_Injector]

I picked societal chaos... and for me, that includes bad jobs. Your basic bitch jobs you'd start out in are taken now by illegal immigrants... Oh go to college they say, and then you'll get conned into debt and shit out with a bullshit degree and still be a barista or serving people hamburgers.

Look, you have a chance if you do tech or some shit on the genius level of most humans. All the work hard jobs are taken now. Learn to speak Spanish and get a food service job... or be like me and join the military and come out of it with sleeping problems that will last for life. I have 3 degrees and none of them are worth shit. Look, you don't want to end up like me... learn to speak Spanish. Don't go to college and get a trade job that's too complicated for Gonzales to figure out how to do.

If you have parents that will let you live with them. Take advantage of that until Biden is out of office. You're not going to go anywhere right now no matter how hard you try. You're either there already or you're not. Everything is at a stand still.

[Lemonbear6]

Biden isn't responsible for this situation. It has been occurring for over a decade. Moreover, similar issues are happening in other countries, such as Japan, where the low birth rate is attributed to the high cost of living. Additionally, college isn't inherently useless; its value depends on the chosen degree. The medical field, for instance, offers numerous high-paying jobs that many people are unaware of. If you're not pursuing a STEM-related field in college, you may face challenges. Trade school is a viable option, but it doesn't guarantee substantial income. Furthermore, the jobs that "illegal immigrants" are often criticized for taking are typically the ones that many Americans are unwilling to do. For example, working long hours in the scorching sun to pick grapes or taking on roles as housekeepers or factory workers. It's irrelevant whether some jobs require Spanish-speaking employees because there are plenty of positions that don't. It's important to avoid willful ignorance and consider a broader perspective.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

See my country Luxemburg for example. We got some of the highest housing prices in the world. A medium to small sized house in a town is normally around 1 million euros. Banks dont give out credits if you dont have at least 600k ready (proportionally). Even appartments are around 600k.

Now young people go to school till 18-20, then university or other education till 24-27. During that time basically no money is made, all goes into rent for a student accomodation, living etc. Then in they look for a job and maybe get a job that pays good and they can start to rent a small appartment... or stay at home and wait till they got enough money. Now if you're single its much harder as well to be able to afford a house. We ain't in the 50s anymore, finding a job is hard and even with a middle class salary single, you'd need 30 years of work till you can afford a house here.

That societal pressure to kick the kids out once they are 18 and finish school is simply unrealistic, would even be considered a crime here if I'd guess.

[Soteris]

Because it is just so much harder to move out today than for example 50 years ago. Jobs pay less, especially entry level jobs. Apartments and houses cost more. You are expected to learn much more than before in school such as getting a higher education where as in the 1940's you would be fine with the bare minimum which both means it takes longer to complete the process of education and it costs more.. waaaay more considering the increase in tuition and study equipment costs.

If you compare the situation of someone completing their education in 1940 and today then the one in 1940 is much younger, has barely any debt if at all, can easily get a high paying job and has many affordable options for housing and apartments. The difference is simply night and day.

[Soteris]

No, you are the one who is confused about sex and what gender people are, they are fairly crystal clear on it themselves. Their personal identity is a very private thing, you trying to tell them otherwise is incredibly stupid. How could you possibly know who they are inside their own body?

[Anonymous]

So funny that every point here is a negative about people living at home. But if a boomer brought up why most adults aren’t home owners, I’m sure you’d be able to bring a plausible argument. Although I pay rent on my own apartment, I see no issue with younger people living at home. You’d rather shell out $1,600 in rent per month, be living paycheck to paycheck just to say you live alone, vs. set yourself up for success by staying with your parents rent free (or deeply discounted) so that you can get a step up in life?
I remember when I was 21 I stayed with my mom for a year. She cooked, I didn’t have a car and she never charged me rent. I saved $10,000 in 3 months doing that and if I had stayed longer I would have saved even more.

[Asker]

What are you trying to save

[Opinion Owner]

I saved up for my car. I was able to put $8,000 down and my payments were only 120 a month. It’s paid off now. Living with her I brought my credit up and when I got my own place I didn’t need a co-sign. It benefited me a lot. That was when I was 21, I am now 27 and if I needed to go back and stay with her to save some money, I still would!

[Asker]

Nobody cares

[Opinion Owner]

You obviously did, that’s why you asked this dumb ass question you miserable son of a bitch 🤣🤣🤣

[Infinity_Soup]

Shocker but most people haven't moved out of their house unless their parents help them pay for it.

When covid happened, everyone around 18 -20 got locked down in their parents house right after graduation. If they managed to get a job then they probably had to wait until after lockdown.
After doing this for a year most kids didn't have enough money to do anything.

Afterwords, the housing prices have just been rising. I live in Tampa, which is like one of the worst places to find a place to live.

This is not to mention those going to college in their hometown. It just doesn't make sense to move if you are paying for your education when you could save the money to live at home.

I've only recently moved out and tbh, if my situation with my parents wasn't what it is I would've preferred to save the money until I finished college at least. I'm working 40 hours a week to pay rent and go to college, with very minimal savings.

[DextroShade]

Many factors play a role here:

• Their parents celebrated mediocrity by giving out participation trophies, spoiled them, and did not prepare them for the real world
• Feminism has flooded the labor market for all fields except skilled trades with women who should be at home which has driven down wages for everyone
• Globalists have shipped many manufacturing jobs to China and other 3rd world shithole countries with slave labor
• Globalists imported cheap foreign labor for both skilled (H1b) and unskilled (illegals) jobs, further driving down wages
• Globalists raised interest rates for mortgages and allowed hostile foreign nations (China) and predatory private equity firms to buy housing, which makes it unaffordable for most.

[Asker]

Even without women in the workforce, there are twice as many people alive today and even more can compete with you via the internet in Africa and Asia nowadays. It's not just big guys moving jobs overseas. Its the fact that the whole world has the internet. Skills are worth an all time low.

[DextroShade]

I also mentioned globalism so thanks for proving my point.

[RingOfFire]

None of the above.

It's because they are voting for the wrong people.

Inflation Is Forcing Americans To Spend $8,508 More Per Year AND STILL CLIMBING On Everyday Goods And Services Than They Did Two Years Ago: Economist

Soaring Grocery Bills And Restaurant Tabs Are Eating Up More Of Americans’ Paychecks Than They Have In Three Decades, According To The Federal Government

[RingOfFire]

A Record Number of Americans Can't Afford Their Rent.

www.usnews.com/.../a-record-number-of-americans-cant-afford-their-rent-lawmakers-are-scrambling-to-help

[Lemonbear6]

Oh shut up! Biden isn't responsible for this situation. It has been occurring for over a decade. Moreover, similar issues are happening in other countries, such as Japan, where the low birth rate is attributed to the high cost of living. Additionally, college isn't inherently useless; its value depends on the chosen degree. The medical field, for instance, offers numerous high-paying jobs that many people are unaware of. If you're not pursuing a STEM-related field in college, you may face challenges. Trade school is a viable option, but it doesn't guarantee substantial income. Furthermore, the jobs that "illegal immigrants" are often criticized for taking are typically the ones that many Americans are unwilling to do. For example, working long hours in the scorching sun to pick grapes or taking on roles as housekeepers or factory workers. It's irrelevant whether some jobs require Spanish-speaking employees because there are plenty of positions that don't. It's important to avoid willful ignorance and consider a broader perspective.

[strateguy632]

@Lemonbear6 to lemon ever heard "the buck stops here"?

[RingOfFire]

Homelessness Hits Record High After 12% Jump This Year, U. S. Officials Say

www.forbes.com/.../?sh=32611e44463a

[RingOfFire]

Americans' credit card debt hits record $1.13 trillion

abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=106990807

"Elections have consequences." - B. Hussein Obama

[RingOfFire]

[RingOfFire]

[Lemonbear6]

Name the policies he put in place that did that

[RingOfFire]

*Got America into two wars that is costing America hundreds of billions of dollars (plus American lives).

*Opened the borders that is costing America hundreds of billions of dollars (plus American lives).

*Reversed every one of President Trumps policies that were working destroying the economic boom -- 6.3% GDP growth rate and 1.4% inflation rate -- he inherited from President Trump.

Signed off on spending the country into catastrophic inflation with a record increase in the national deficit and debt.




Shall I go on? I can.

[Lemonbear6]

How did Biden get America into two wars and what two wars are you referring?

Open borders isn’t the job of the executive branch it’s up to the legislative branch to make laws to fix the border and republicans have voted against border security

When Biden took office in January 2021, the United States was in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic, which had a profound impact on the global economy. Many countries, including the United States, experienced economic contractions and disruptions due to lockdowns and restrictions aimed at containing the spread of the virus. It's important to note that the economic situation at the time of President Biden's inauguration was already significantly different from the pre-pandemic era.

Actually trump added more to the national debt than any other president.

Your claims can easily be debunked.

[Dinklex3]

I didn’t move out of my parents house until I was 24, lol.

I was still in school and there was no reason for me to move out. My parents felt the same. I don't know why people think kids should move out as soon they turn 18. I guess my family’s way of thinking is a bit different.

[Lionman95]

Living at home is comfortable since there are many things you don't have to worry about, also sometimes it's better to stay at home to learn certain skills so that one can later move out and avoid problems like poverty since you're not broke all the time.

[RSav4013]

Either they're smart and preparing themselves for a worse economy than their parents had... or the more likely option, they are unmotivated, entitled and think that they deserve to be handed a high level management position with little to no prior experience

[Infinity_Soup]

Or most of us are trying to go college at that age. Also if you look around were already in a worse economy than any of our parents

[RSav4013]

Wouldn't that fit snugly into the first part of what I said?

[Infinity_Soup]

Preparing and living in are 2 very diff things. I'd admit there are definitely more entitled kids these days, but my point in saying that is it's moreso the former than the latter

[RSav4013]

How is going to college not preparing? I feel like I'm missing your point and I don't understand how.

[Infinity_Soup]

My point is just that we already have a terrible economy (since like covid) so it's not really preparation for an economy, it's a reaction.

My second point is that while there are plenty of entitled people out there in gen z, it's not the main issue (or even really unjustified in this specific case).

It's next to impossible to move out in today's climate. I would say it's more than reasonable to expect to live at home for a little while longer while they react to the economy.

Regardless of all the entitled kids these days, those entitled kids still need to prepare as much as anybody else with this terrible situation

[HelpfulWoman]

*a unhelpful economy when it comes to buying/renting homes

[Rosexøxø]

Agreed 💯

[sheikalana]

I guess people in that age group are not career driven. They're not motivated to pursuit something or they think money just falls from trees without them doing anything. They get demotivated when you don't earn a certain amount but the truth is your first years of employment are probably going to be very sh*tty, you'll be underpaid and overworked but that's life it is what it is. Most of us started from the bottom and now we are where we are because of our hard work.

[moneymagnet24]

I left my parents home at 18
Now i have my own house with decent income I can live peacefully even if i stop work now..

Not everyone is same ma'am

[sheikalana]

@moneymagnet24 I know not everyone is the same and congratulations to you! That's a great accomplishment considering your age. But you have to admit that there's not many people in the same situation as you at your age.

[Anonymous]

Wages have failed to rise with inflation or the cost of living.

Effectively wages have been stagnant for decades.

Take 1990. Average wage 12,500.

Average house price, 48,000

That's equivalent to 4 years salary.

Today the median wage is 60,000

And the median house price is 420,000

You do the math.

[JayBones]

The USD ponzie is coming to an end. The being power is down almost 100% and the theft through organized inflation inflated all asset classes. Especially real estate. This may change in a couple weeks when the banks start failing. Real-estate will become cheap, but if you don't have any gold or Bitcoin it won't matter because you won't have anything homeowners would trade for.

[Levin]

It is what it is, but people are seldom independent anyway. You can be reliant on university loans to pay for your accomodation. Or benefits. Or having to live with 3 other people. Or living with your partner which makes bills a lot cheaper.

[coachTanthony]

they fell into the trap of the economic dream. Most people can't afford to buy a house or a car these days.

[4ngelic]

i'm broke. so instead living in a dingy flat with 6 roomates, rather live in a nice house that i dont pay for that also comes with free food & stuff

[wiltingrosepetal]

The fact that money or housing crisises weren't any of the poll results 💀

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Or it could have just been a simple word like "inflation" isn't there