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I like natural beauty, not in makeup.
Its our own choiches.
It's because yr a misogynist
it's the inverse of that. like, i'm a misogynist BECAUSE girls look ugly without makeup. not the other way around.
You perceive women as ugly bc you devalue women. That's not a particularly radical idea or nuffin. Also you said women are only good for sex! I only just noticed. Well, that seals the deal then. You're a misogynist
i didn't deny i was a misogynist. i was saying your reasoning was off
She didn't imply that the reason you were a misogynist is because you call women ugly with makeup. Technically, by default she would be implying misogyny without makeup like you asked.
If we go straight with your question: "Why do girls look so ugly without makeup?" And her answer: "It's because yr a misogynist". Then her reasoning would be the same as yours.
Or did you mean inverse in anther way. Did you infer that she meant women look pretty with makeup? That's not really a direct insult to women though. Saying women look pretty with makeup doesn't mean women look ugly without makeup. If someone did say, women look pretty with makeup, my next question would be, what if they don't wear makeup. Then perhaps some form of misogyny could be declared.
Or, what did I miss? What reason of misogyny did you think she meant when she said, "It's because yr a misogynist".
what?
In her answer, what do you think her reason was to call you a misogynist?
Just to clear this up: he thinks women are naturally (ie without makeup) because he's a misogynist (and I theorised that he thinks women are naturally ugly due to underlying misogyny, tho to say "all women are ugly" (as would be implied) is misogynist in itself, not so much as devaluing women in general. My theory is thinking women are 'ugly' is simply sympomatic of more violently misogynist views not yet uncovered, at least in this post. In my answer I was directly answering the title.
On a separate but related note: How is this guy ever gonna have a long-term girlfriend if he cannot wake up next to her fresh-faced in the morning without thinking she's ugly?
Honestly, I don't think anyone who loves anyone thinks their partner is ugly, ever. Right? Or is this a lesbian thing? But that's gonna be hard when you hate her for her gender..
He thinks women are naturally ugly (ie without makeup)* [missing word]
you're reading way too much into this. i think women are naturally ugly because they look ugly, plain and simple. it has nothing to do with misogyny. also, i my question i say "without it, they don't look pretty enough to have as your girlfriend" - does it sound i ever plan on dating girls long term?
Mysogynist - a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
Sorry I need to see the definition to make sure we are talking about the same thing. I think what we are trying to figure out is, is he a misogynist because he thinks women are ugly, or is he one for some other reason which causes him to think women are ugly.
Based off his comments on this post, I would agree there is a deeper cause, not completely related to how a woman looks. So he probably had some sort of dislike toward women before he came to the conclusion of women being ugly.
In other comments he mentions men being ugly as well, also saying, men don't need to look good though. So his misogyny probably has less to do with looks, and more to do with gender roles. But if he calls both men and women ugly, I would assume he is using ugly for woman as much more demeaning. Simply because he asked the question and he thinks women can't do anything except look good. Therefore the looks would add to his misogyny.
Whether or not he would agree to any of this is unknown. He probably just misunderstands or misinterprets his own emotions. I think we are on the same page with this, but I wanted to make sure. I'm not always certain I'm interpreting people's words correctly.
I am curious how he will be able to be in a long term relationship as well. Hopefully he isn't one of those people that forces women to always wear makeup; telling her to wake up before him so he doesn't have to see what she looks like without it. Hopefully no women would comply to that lifestyle, unless they too enjoy it.
I'm not really sure what you mean by a lesbian thing? Also, I'm not sure if he has violent misogynistic views. Do you have a reference to show he may have violent tendencies?
do you have a mental deficiency that you can't understand when i say i dont want a long term relationship?
I was writing mine while you wrote yours, so I didn't see yours get posted before mine. So saying I didn't understand you not wanting a long term relationship, wouldn't apply. Also, are you using mental deficiency as an insult? Do you think of people that have mental deficiencies as beneath you?
Saying, "they don't look pretty enough to have as your girlfriend" doesn't completely imply never wanting a long term relationship. A person could have a long term relationship even if they think their partner looks ugly. But, perhaps we need to more clearly define how long a long term relationship is.
You said, "i think women are naturally ugly because they look ugly, plain and simple. it has nothing to do with misogyny". Are you now denying you're a misogynist? Or just that calling women ugly is not the reason you're a misogynist? Because earlier you said, "i'm a misogynist BECAUSE girls look ugly without makeup."
to answer your question, when she first called me a misogynist i had something a bit different for my definition of misogyny. then somebody pasted the definition and i saw that that wasn't me after all. i don't despise women, but i do have a sort of bitterness towards them because i wish they had natural beauty and they trick me into thinking they're pretty by wearing makeup.
also, you say "A person could have a long term relationship even if they think their partner looks ugly". judging by everything i've said on this post, do i seem like the type of person who would be in such a relationship?
What did you first think of as the definition of misogyny?
Having a sort of bitterness towards women could be interpreted as misogyny. I'm not saying I do or do not interpret it that way, but I could see someone explaining it that way.
Why do you feel they wear makeup to try to trick you? Do you feel the only reason a woman would wear makeup is to attract a mate? Or is it something else?
I actually think it's more typical for men to attract a mate. The stereotype/statistics suggest men want sex more often than women. The purpose of mating is to reproduce. So if women want sex less often, why would they need to attract anyone. If men want sex more often, then they should be doing things to attract women.
Men are most likely still going to want to have sex, even if all women are ugly. Actually men would probably be conditioned/evolved to have a different meaning of beauty. If makeup was never invented, then men would be attracted to women without makeup and not call them ugly.
When you say "on this post", I'll assume you mean all the opinions to your question and not just this woman's opinion. I haven't read everything you've written and most things I've commented on was how things were worded and not really what your views suggest. So I never came to the conclusion that you didn't want a long term relationship, til you mentioned it.
What you are or aren't attracted to isn't my deepest concern. I mean I like hearing about people's preferences, but everyone has different degrees of attraction preferences. Your's aren't anymore special than anyone else's. You appear to word things in a more insulting way, which I don't really care for; but if demeaning people makes you feel better, then I guess there's not much I can do to stop you.
i don't understand. when did this conversation (the one you and i are having) become specifically about what i am or not attracted to?
@Asker I'll assume you're talking to me. I mentioned the attraction thing because you talked about women being ugly and whether or not you wanted in a relationship. I assumed you would need to be attracted to someone in order to even think about having a relationship with them. I assume you calling women ugly means you're not attracted to ugly things.
So if you wish to discuss what you're attracted to we can. I wouldn't say this conversation is specifically about what you're attracted to, since I had multiple topics in my replies. I like to try to reply to as many topics as I can that a person mentions in their comments.
I'm not really sure your point, or the answers you wanted, for your initial question. It kind of sounds like an attraction question. Like, why am I not attracted to women when they don't wear makeup. That would probably be a better question to ask, assuming you wanted serious answers. Or are you still attracted to women, that you call ugly?
man, i have a hard time understanding the points you're making. guess i'm not as smart as i thought i was. i'm attracted to women when they are dressed up, but not otherwise. i do like vagina though, but vagina is not enough for me to have a longterm relationship with someone.
about the misogyny thing, were you and her saying that me being unable to appreciate women's natural faces makes me a misogynist? or is it that i'm a misogynist because of some other reason and it's BECAUSE i'm a misognyist that i can't appreciate their 'natural beauty'?
You asking me what I claim you to be isn't what this is about, because I don't know what to claim you until I at least learn more about you. I'm not sure I fully claimed you to be anything. I'm asking why you claim to be certain things.
You call women attractive when they are dressed, but you feel they are lying when they do, so I don't feel that is much of an attraction. It appears no matter what a woman does you will feel the need to insult them. They are ugly without makeup and lying if they do. Unless you explain more fully what you mean by lying and why you feel that way?
It's hard for me to believe you find someone attractive when you feel they are lying. I'm not saying you wouldn't have sex with them, just that your reasons to have sex may not be any sort of attraction of looks. Which could kind of be implied from your first paragraph, but it has semi contradictory thoughts, so I'm not sure if you claim that or not.
When you say you like vagina, does that mean you are attracted to vaginas? Like you find them pretty? Or just the biological desire to gain your pleasure from it.
I never said you were a misogynist, just that certain words you use could make someone come to that conclusion. You made 2 claims I know of: women are ugly unless they lie and woman are only good at being pretty but they fail at that. So one can come to the conclusion that you feel women are good for nothing unless they lie. But when they lie it gives you issues of your own.
We were wondering if it simply was just how a woman looks as to why you feel bitterness toward them. Did you ever feel woman could do anything other than look pretty? If you never felt they could, then it would be something deeper than just looks. Also, feeling woman are good for nothing could be considered "strongly prejudiced against women", which was part of the definition of a misogynist.
Also appreciating something, or not, doesn't imply negative comments. But saying ugly does. There is no such thing as "natural beauty". Beauty is subjectively what a person likes, so how can it be natural?
Basically anytime a person puts someone, of a certain characteristic, in a negative category, they will call them one of the "ists". People use negative characteristics for people just because their gender, skin color, hair color, height, face, etc. Typically, when a person uses those characteristics, they become less liked. So are you surprised someone calls you a misogynist?
attractive = physically appealing to the eye. so yes they are lying, but i still like the way they look when they are dressed up. the reason i say they are lying is because there's no way a human being can look that good without spending excessive amounts of time, money and energy on their appearance. for example. the thing that makes the biggest difference in their appearamce when they dress up is makeup. but the makeup isn't their real face. they are basically putting on a mask that looks vaguely like them, but much prettier. they are setting unrealistic standards for themselves that they simply can not live up to. hence they are lying, to themselves and to me.
when i say i like vagina, i don't mean i like the way it looks. it's like you said, a sexual pleasure thing. but why does this matter?
i never said women can't do anything. i say what they do best is looking good, but they fail at even that. i'm quite sure the bitterness i feel is because of their lack of natural beauty. once again, they bring this on themselves. they pretend to look good by wearing makeup so i will expect them to look good. once again, i'm not saying they wear makeup just for men.
i'm surprised because this is a matter of personal taste, not misogyny. she seems to think the reason i don't find women pretty (no makeup) is because of some deep-seated dislike for women, rather than simply because they don't look pretty to me.
Does them dressing up let you forget they are ugly or does it compel you to insult them? I guess I don't understand why it matters if they lie in this instance. From my understanding it doesn't hurt anyone. I'm sure most, if not all, people lie often, including yourself.
I don't understand how wearing makeup is unrealistic when they are capable of attaining the look they want. Seems realistic to me. Movies use effects to make the audience excited and interested; not just special effects but lighting and sound, etc. Do you ever ask why movies are so boring when the sound and lighting are done poorly?
Is it technically lying if one knows the truth? If you and they know they are wearing makeup, what is the lie?
The vagina part matters because I want to know if you are attracted to any part of the female body. It appears you aren't. I'm not sure why you're so concerned with how attractive women are, when you just want them for pleasure. And if you ever want to look at something physically attractive, all you need to do is look at someone you find attractive. Why does it matter if they lie when you can get what you want anyways?
I never said you said women can't do anything. I said I can understand how one comes to the conclusion that thats what you mean based off your 2 claims: women are ugly unless they lie and woman are only good at being pretty but they fail at that. I'll change the 2nd claim to: the only thing they're good for is having sex with when they're wearing makeup. And add a 3rd claim: what they do best is looking good and fail at it.
Why do you feel women are best at looking good? Are they the best at other things as well or just looking good?
You said, "they bring it on themselves". Would you prefer all women stopped wearing makeup? Would you rather they lie and look good or truthful and ugly?
You said, "they pretend to look good by wearing makeup". Maybe they think they look good without makeup, but like a certain style so they use makeup. Wearing makeup doesn't only imply a method to make oneself more attractive, but to gain a different style of a look.
I think personal taste is what's considered for misogyny. What else could it be? People usually show prejudices for personal reasons. Misogyny isn't just about dislike; it has to do with seeing women as beneath you. Can you not see how your question and how you word things is said in a demeaning way? The 3 claims you made can all be seen as "strongly prejudiced against women", which was part of the definition of a misogynist. Is there a reason you don't want to be called a misogynist?
Basically you feel all humans, both male and female, are ugly. Only by using something can humans become not ugly. Your question is why are women ugly without makeup. What makes you think they should be pretty? Couldn't you ask the same question about men?
If you think humans are ugly, wouldn't it have been more reasonable to ask that? Why would it matter if women are ugly, when both genders are ugly? Lots of species are "ugly", it's just a matter of evolution.
Tell me you're a loser without saying you're a loser. What a muppet you are. Hilarious.
... you sound like a lovely person -_-
He's a retard
@hypno-trip lol why do you know him personally!!! hahahaha
I prefer them 'nature' , without the war paint.
why, because without the 'war paint' you see them as more attainable?
Possibly more open.
@ Mesonfielde What are you even talking about
No: the war paint hides their real look. I prefer to meet them WYSIWYG.
Not all women are ugly without makeup.
Tbh the only ugly thing here is your personality
to be honest the only ugly thing here is YOUR personality!!!
Shots fired Shots fired!
pow! shots fired!
I sniff a troll...
yes, if somebody says you look like shit they must be trolling. so mature
He's too dense to be a troll.
@nathand he is too retarded to be straight guy too.
@hypno-trip what happened to I dont want go hurt others feelings lol?
@cookiesandcream lol with a girl it's hard to be mean...
@hypno-trip alright I'll be mean for you then
Oh lol troll is a possibility
I like the pretty colors
Disagree
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Well that's a load of bullshit.
You probably smell like cabbage...
make up can trick the eye
i agree that they are tricky little bitches, trying to fool guys into thinking they look better than they actually do
wow , that's harsh.
comments like that, are the reason why a lot of girls wear make up everywhere and 24/7
-.- https://i43.tinypic.com/32zp6l1.jpg
Don't listen to thissss Zo -.- TRUST ME <3 <3
you think i'm harsh, can you imagine my disappointment when i see what 'pretty' girls look like without makeup on?
Then either go for a girl who never wears make up or a girl that wears make up 24/7 , but dont think every other girl is like this
The asker is disappointed because he is a Virgin teenage loser with no experience with the opposite sex others Than with desperate whores like himself
This generalisation your making, Asker, is blunt and arrogant. Man the fuck up. If all you care about is looks that come off photoshop, then every girl who's "ugly" under your regime of things is a lucky girl because with your attitude Men have no fucking hope in the world.
@hypno-trip spot on answer :)
@MarkyyG123 yeah mark, guys like him are the reason why some guys have no hope in getting girls, i bloody hope no other guys think like this -.- its messed up, and people wonder why girls are so insecure about not wearing make up when the go outside -.-
Yeah Zo :( Its ridiculous -.- Pisses me off tbh
And hey, its just bullshit, you know that :* <3 You know... we are what we eat... this guy is eating all the wrong stuff haha :") <3 You smiling yet Sweetheart :D <3
@MarkyyG123 , im always smiling, you know that hahahh :) xx
Hahahahaha wouldn't have it any other way Zo <3 :*
markus, what is it you want me to 'man the fuck up' about?
hahahha markus, now that is one name i haven't heard anyone call you @MarkyyG123 , i think thats your que to answer :") :P
@soccerchick4eva haha, a few friends call me Marcus >:D
And Asker, making a generalisation like you have and commenting as you have is something a child would do, most certainly is not what a mature man will. What you did has the potential to and I'm sure it has, hurt feelings and make people upset. Consider you actions before you make the mistakes. THINK BEFORE YOU INK.
well what about my feelings? i want girls to be pretty dammit!
sorry that us girls dont reach your standard, how would you like it, if we said that about you guys? that we want yous to be attractive or some shit? it doesn't feel that great to hear that about yourself is it?
well we're guys, we're not supposed to look good. girls are, but they dont
guys are sposed to look good, its an even think between guys and girls
Mate, is this one big troll? I honestly think it is now
I don't see how this makes much sense
lol its not. men and women are supposed to compliment each other this way. men don't look good, women... well they're supposed to
this is so messed up, think openly about this , dont just think one sided about this -.-
i've given it much thought and thats the conclusion I've come to
alrighty... goodluck in finding that girl that suits ya :)
i won't find her. she doesn't exist. thats the point
hence why you need the luck -.- ahahha but seriously wow do you really think about all girls like this?
Yes, yes he does unfortunately-.-
@Just1n123 its very sad -.- im hoping you don't feel like that too about girls?
@OpinionOwner I don't feel that way at all, I even voiced my opinion and he wanted to argue with me too. He's fucking stubborn and such an asshole.
@soccerchick4eva I meant, sorry @OpinionOwner didn't mean to tag you.
yeah its silly -.- @Just1n123
@soccerchick4eva It's silly and stupid at the same time -.- Every girl is beautiful with or without makeup but @asker is just too dumb to realize it.
exactly, you're spot on there @Just1n123 people like him is why girls are self conscious to wear no make up out -.-
@soccerchick4eva Don't be self concious, this guy is one of a few guys but the rest are sweet and caring towards girls that don't wear makeup, all of you girls are perfectly fine without makeup, don't let this one guy ruin your self worth.
thank you @Just1n123 thats exactly how people should think! :)
You're welcome @soccerchick4eva, yes exactly that's how people should think, it might take some time but eventually we'll get there :)
@hypno-trip oh and who made you the judge?
@Just1n123 do you even know the meaning of the word asshole?
Yeah, I think ash Hollywood is a hot pornstar too
I don't know, dude, I don't know.
troollllin clearly.
yes, if somebody says you look like shit they must be trolling. so mature
yeah, pretty much
oh, im sorry. i had no idea i was speaking to a kid. my bad
lol because that was an obvious conclusion from my statement?
When someone says all girls look like shit he's either a gay insecure teenage loser or a fat effeminate ugly slob living in his mother's basement. Neither is smart enough to be a troll. Good luck getting laid in real life kid instead o whining to girls across a screen.
The asker was so upset by my comment that he had it removed.
@hypno-trip or he may be a guy who had a relationship with a girl that looked like shit when she didn't wear make up and she manipulated him in someway with her looks and left him traumatized trust me i know...
only a man could post this bollocks
They don't...