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"Freedom of speech" vs "freedom not to be verbally abused" (Page 2)
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oh i agree.. The only thing i stand against is those that wish to cancel people because of what they say.. Loss of a job because of something someone said 20 years ago or something like that.. Just wrong.. But outright abusing someone is not only wrong in some cases its illegal.
Exactly!! And unnecessary... And I'm tired of people thinking it's a game or joke cuz it's the internet. There is way too much bashing and insulting on a site that's supposed to be to get advice, share discussion, understand each other, not attack one another...
yeah you should see the first response on this question.. Its me posting anonymously.. but holy crap people are nuts these days
Why was this necessary? Gravity Gaming Lounge destroyed by ANIMALS calling them selves protesters? ↗
Left a reply to said post 👍
Much appreciated.. Did you see the first anon reply? He thinks gamers deserve it..
And that surprises you 🤔 they don't care what burns unless it's their house or their business.. And who would they call 🤔 the police they hating on.. gotta love the irony
i agree
the only limits on free speech are the active calls for violence as laid out in brandenburg V Ohio, all other speech is free speech. This "verbal abuse" standard does not exist in any legal sense. though I could be convinced to update this to prevent people from avoiding being blocked or ganging up on eachother in a mob. but mobs stop being entirely free speech in my opinion but that's an opinion and there is not much legal precedent for it.
I know one thing for certain... democracy can't survive social media in its present form... fascism will become inevitable and necessary if we don't regulate and diminish the mob justice style of communication on social media platforms soon. people must be free to say whatever hateful things they want, but the specific structure of those social media sites must be changed
What you are really asking for is civility. I agree with you. Let me explain. I was taught that we are all made in the image of God Almighty, giving us worth and dignity. The fact that Ylthe Don of Zgid then died for our sins increased our worth. When I grew up in the 60s and 70s people were much more polite because of the Judeo-Christian morality. Since then we have removed Him from our public square and the lack of manners and civility has proliferated. I lived most of my life in Connecticut and saw the decline in manners and civility. Thankfully I now live in Texas where they never lost there manners. I will probably be met with comments that my belief is in the imaginary God. In the book is Proverbs it says: “For as he thinks in his heart, so is he. Proverbs 23:7. Manners and civility matter.
Son of God
Maybe I need to come to Texas.. But agree it's not just on the internet.. It's everywhere these days! Great, great answer 💜💙💜
Say what you want and mean... isn't honesty the best thing. But that being said... don't abuse your freedom of speech JUST TO HURT OTHERS. there are many ways to express your thoughts and opinions without being an Ass about it.. try to use your intellectual virtues and less of your primitive ones. Try to at least vocalize your thoughts in a constructive way to push up instead of hold down others you may or may not agree with.
Thank you!! Great answer 💜💙👍🙂
I try to keep things simple and to my knowledge, common sense oriented
@IronmanT
That is such a pussy answer.
Glad you like it with your apparently simple mind
Well you did a good job of it 👍🙂
@joeblow123 wow really 🙄
Joe... when your girlfriend... if you have one... decides she wants a MANFRIEND.. TELL HER TO HIT ME UP
He won't be able to reply I blocked him when he started saying physical abuse if okay and other crap
Good.. i really didn't like his attitude
But yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about... Right away taking AOC and I don't even follow the news much anymore or politics cuz people are getting to crazy with it so he was trying to insult with something I wouldn't if even got 🤣 I'm not trying to censor anyone but he was jumping on every thread insulting everyone, create your own post for that... I don't come in here to be attacked... That's what people don't get they thinkb they have a right to behave that way don't mean I'm gonna sit there and take it.. Now I could've threw insults back but then that's stooping to his level.. And I don't give anyone that power over me on the internet
I heard that
Thanks 🙂 what's funny tho is the timing blocked him as you sent the man friend comment so he probably can see it just can't reply to it and that's probably burning him up 🤣
I truly hope so.. lol
Me too 🙂
I agree with what your saying cause people be so mean sometimes and thats not right the act of freedom of speech is suppose to be for civil talking and relations not guns, violence and bs, if we could just sit down and have a chat with everyone online and off i think the world would be a much better place
💙 love your reply! You're so right... Thank you for reading! 🙂
Ofc i enjoy reading and answer questions and be safe out there
You too 👍🙂
Well done, BBB. I’m glad you wrote this to define and differentiate them. So many people conflate the two and that’s just not right.
I’ve been down this road before, though, and I’m afraid I don’t have much hope. The pushback is veracious.
Thank you 💜 And yeah I know.. But even if it wakes up one person...🤷🏼♀️
Yep, musn’t be complacent, right. Fight for what we believe in. Anarchy’s no good.
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Freedom of speech means that you should not be held accountable by the government for the opinions you hold not to not be held accountable by other people. Threats which are a part of verbal abuse are not protected so someone can get in trouble with the law that way if proof was provided. Even still, you are under no obligation to listen to verbal abuse.
Thank you for getting the difference! 👍
the word freedom is overused and misused, on one hand. And on the other hand, people get so offended by ANY thing these days. Either way, I think people should just stop going to extremes. Reporting an offence to the police is still a thing, taking distance from toxic people is a thing that should be considered more, and taking events less personally should be more of a thing to. The world doesn't turn around any of us in particular. Life is so much more peaceful when you realize that
Someone wanting to use the internet, or have their children or their grandchildren or any children be able to use the internet without being verbally abused attacked, harassed, stalked or bullied is not thinking the world turns around any of us in particular... Can you be toxic on your job? No you would get fired.. Can you do those actions anywhere else without consequences for your actions? No.. So people should not be able to use the internet because of toxic people? How about toxic people not being able to use the internet..
@Brainsbeforebeauty Toxic people are everywhere. And they do not get fired. And they do not get separated from their children. And they get defended by lawyers, and friends, and a lot of people in society. Its not just about the words a person uses. A lot of toxic people are manipulators. SO that's why Im saying, there are things that matter more than words. And yes, you should protect your kid from the harassment that could happen online. I think a lot of it is teaching them to recognize what to step away from. Even without the internet, haters will be there.
I don't know where you work but people would not be allowed to call people bitches cunts sluts on the job and still have a job any where I've ever worked.. They'd get written up, then suspended or terminated... It's not just words.. It's verbal abuse... It's a sign of the times tho... Defend the toxic people and tell other people what they should and shouldn't do instead of addressing the issue with the abusers, blame the police for the way they handle criminals instead of doing more to stop crime... It's getting so ridiculous these days...
Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but saying words or 'verbal abuse' is not the only way of being toxic. There's way worse. Because the verbal abuse, you can at least realize its happening very obviously... I'm also confused by your not using pronouns, are you saying I'm defending toxic people? I'm really not though. Don't stay where you're being attacked, go report a crime. The system is slow in all areas, but you need to report things if you wanna see some change. Abusers are still around because people are afraid and keep quiet. Of course we should speak up, and mean while don't stay around those people... And addressing the issue with the abusers yourself won't cut the problem there. Most people like that need therapy... That should be mandatory when someone reports an abuser.. Although, I'm starting to think you're only talking about smaller scale abuse, and just online. Well, that's a small part of an issue. What can you do about the person on the other side of the screen? When you tell them off, and when they're done with you, theyll just go bother someone else. So I guess the most you can do is report their account
I do report.. but then the site needs to do more about the reports and do more to stop people from just creating new accounts and having multiple accounts.. I know it happens in real life... But that's not what this post is addressing.. It's addressing the online abuses people think the can get away with by labeling it free speech...
Yeah but what's next? If we start putting restrictions on speech now it'll snowball. It can be a dangerous move to limit the rights with speech. I personally agree but politicans would say "Hey that worked so this will too!" that's what they always do.
Stopping people from verbally attacking people is not putting restrictions on speech... Read the threads there was one user, now blocked who was jumping on anyone who agreed with this take... I finally blocked because he said he will verbally and physically abuse whoever he wants... TF see clearly this is someone with severe issues... People with severe anger issues are using the internet to abuse and attack people that they wouldn't get away with it off the internet... They shouldn't be able to do that anywhere.. If people can't say their opinions without getting attacked then that person is taking THEIR rights to free speech away are they not?
I hope that guy goes to prison... with Big Bubba. Threats are NOT free speech, as both OP and I already stated.
OP being the ORiginal poster of the MyTake, i. e. brainsforbeauty... my bad for bad terminology...
If someone yells loud enough to damage your ears that is physical assault. Not allowing you to leave is also wrong, but arguing civilly in a public place is legal and free speech. It does matter if you don't want to hear it, have it be said, or what you think it will do. Outside of a call to crime or physical damage it's free in public places.
Civilly... Calling people names like bitch slut cunt telling guys they're fat ugly fucks that won't get laid is not'civilly". There's a post by a 16 year old where a adult female was really being overly rude and offensive. She's still a kid a teenager.. Why should she get attacked by adults on the internet. That's not"civilly" and adults should frickin know better...
Internet is on a worlds stage and has even less regulation. That is reason to avoid the internet, but in leu of trying to police it, we should teach people to defend themselves. The internet does fuel attackers and exposes the vulnerable. So you could less feasibly eliminate all attackers or feasibly protect the vulnerable. I think shutting down attacks when able can help in the moment when they are directed at someone who can't avoid it. However, preemptively shutting down is mistaken. If someone is producing slander that needs to be legally addressed as well. The most realistic strategy that also preserves freedom of speech is preparing the vulnerable and protecting them. Often these attacks are slanderous so legally you may have something, but the internet is often an international stage.
There's no such thing as the freedom to not be verbally abused. Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak your mind without persecution. Just as much as people have the right to say whatever they want, you have the right to not listen. Suck it up and ignore it. While you're at it grow a backbone and maybe some thicker skin. If that doesn't work try ear plugs. Sorry but I'm not going to sit here and let someone bash the rights of others that so many people died for. Learn to stand up for yourself and stop blaming the constitution for your sucky life.
See this is the problem when people assume. Because this isn't about me... With out even knowing what you're talking about you try to insult. Which is really a pathetic behavior and the whole problem. People assume to know everything these days and take this fake knowledge to think they smarter, better, or stronger than everyone else. This take was more a result of shit of the things I've seen on other people's posts and things other users have gone through/told me about... And those people didn't die so people could call people bitches cunts sluts, call guys fucking Dickless losers, etc. Or for gown adults to bully teenagers on line. But isn't that what people do, twist the truth for their benefit.. Rights are for ALL.,. If you attack people for their opinions, are you not talking away THEIR rights to free speech? 🤔🤔
I guess this guy insulte people a lot, that he doesn't even know an opinion doesn't have to come in pack with an insult. And to u buddy, 'i disagree' and 'fuck u' could be used for the same reason, so it is not stopping u from express ur opinion if 'fuck u' is banned (tho I dont hate 'fuck u', but someone will). And believe me, u know nothing about mental problems, u think just by ignore an insult message or block that person AFTER u ALREADY read it doesn't harm anyone? And if u say whoever reading that insult should grow some backbone to deal with that insult BEFORE block it, then it is the same as saying ' hey u have to allow other to thrust their DICK in ur NEWBORN BABY, AFTER and ONLY AFTER that u would have the right to decline, but NOT BEFORE they touch the BABY's vagina', do u feel disgusting to hear this, but oh well just grow some backbone ok? That is pretty fucked up constitution for me, and admit it, constitution is not justice, they are just words make and support by people like it, so believe me one day it could be change.
@8lutty lol😁😂😆!
@postaldudePL123 actually after wrote that baby thing, I feel kind of sick...
Look I'm saying is that if you take everything that everyone says to heart then there isn't a single thing that's going to help you. Just grow some thicker skin and a backbone and you should be fine. the world will not cater to your whim just because you got butthurt that someone insulted you. I really don't care if you agree with this or not, there's nothing stopping me from exercising my right to freedom of speech. Especially on a public forum.
u know, actually what I want is not: ignore people insult me or insult back at them (not my style), what I really want is beat the crap out of them. Will I lose? It doesn't matter, but surely I will get caught by police, and that will be a problem. So right now people who want to insult other have to much freedom that cross my line.
Do whatever you want as long as you're aware of the consequences. The only thing I can say to that is don't bring a bat to a gunfight. Regardless of how you feel or how you act people still have the freedom of speech. How you choose to deal with that and exercise yours is on you.
Gag is not owned by the US government. Users here do not have freedom of speech. GaG, if it was itself censored within the US could make a freedom of speech argument. But Gag can remove anything it feels like even if the owners just feel like trolling users they don’t like.
Gag can decide on whatever like they want to enforce and they don’t need to be consistent if they don’t want. They don’t answer to the users.
Forcefully criticizing, insulting and denouncing another person, yeah, sounds familiar, lots of people on GaG do that, for me it's just a proof that freedom of speech is actually a bad thing.
Majority of people are selfish, arrogant and egotistical, the more rights you give them, the more self-centered and demanding they'll become.
Love this answer 💜💙💜👍🙂 and thank you for proving not all Anons are hateful which is why don't like to use the option not to let Anons reply because some female users user that as protection when asking or answering sexuality questions without being harassed.. thanks for the great reply and for reading 🙂
Thank you very much, I like your questions and myTakes 😊👍
Thank you 🙂
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a grey area for freedom of speech. But yet not be offensive. So does that mean comedy can't be allowed in Canada because it's poking at major events or shit like that? I feel like if you believe one ideal over the other and disagree with the person who has a opposite ideal don't be a dick about it and let people live their life their way
In my opinion there's a big difference between joking and maliciously calling people names or attacking them for difference of opinion... I'm not no snowflake who can't handle it.. Point is shouldn't have to... And I just answered a question where the asker was 16 and the way some people were talking to her... Come on she's just a teenager... Comedy tho that's different in my opinion... If you saw my sex joke takes you'd know I can take a joke lolol
I've seen your sex jokes lol. I don't know why people can't report others for harassment or something else. But if it's a joke then have a disclaimer so then people know what the difference between a insult and the comedic timing
You can usually tell bantering and real attacks.. or yeah sometimes I will say jk or joking I can be sarcastic funny or just sarcastic but if I feel I'm going to cross that line and get overly offensive just because someone else is, well that's when the sex joke takes pop out and your seen how many of those there are so yeah lololol
Canada has no freedom of speech
@becreative321456987 ah okay
@becreative321456987 At least we get better healthcare than the States
I got bomb healthcare. Don’t listen to the media
@becreative321456987 Well I don't listen to media as much as you first of all. Secondly why come at my neck saying that my country doesn't have freedom of speech? I can say the same thing about U. S but I'm not because America is a shit hole with sensitivity and problems of power
Our cities are shit holes. I love my country, but I’m not blind.
Agree.. a lot of people don’t understand the difference between those words. They think verbally abuse someone online is the same as freedom of speech.. that’s sad..
Thank you! And thank you for getting the title is just that, a title.. Some people are acting like I'm saying make a law to censor all speech... Now where TF did I say that 🤔 The title is meant to show that there's a difference between the two... But, law or not it IS against GAG rules to be verbally attacking people not that they enforce it enough 🤷🏼♀️ again great answer... Thank you 🙂💜
My pleasure. And I love your username. So true!
Aww, thank you 💙💜🤗
Fantastic my take BBB. I fully agree with this, say whatever you want as long as you're not deliberately offending someone. by the way it's me Jackie, I don't think you saw my opinion on your previous question so I'll explain it again. I'm on this account now because I'm locked out of my Google account which is connected to the other GaG account, hope you see this. I miss you 🙂
Thank you
No worries 🙂🙂
Hi,
I am all in for being civil and address each other with respect, but my main problem with your idea is this, when you give the right to someone else to decide what's considered to be right or wrong then it's get a messed up.
So my opinion is we should not give the right to anyone to police our speech because the authority only increases. Instead we should have a free will in what conversation and speeches we indulge in. So you can abuse me, but I will fight for your right to do so.
Sorry if I missed something that you mentioned.
Freedom of speech does not give someone the right to Verbally abuse someone.. And it is Against site rules on GAG.. Look there was a 16 year old female asked a question on here and people were jumping all over her. She's still a kid them people adults. Why is that okay? It's not... My point is
Could you call your boss a bitch cunt slut or fatass fucking loser who will never get a woman? Or act that way in school or at a restaurant? People need to stop thinking it's okay cuz it's online... Noone's trying to censor somebody's rights, but since when did verbally abusing attacking someone become a right?
Mam, I respect and get what you are saying, but the point I am trying to make is, if someone post something on the internet then whoever it is, is going get so sort of reaction. And I don't think it's people fault who altered vulgarity at her, I think you should know that this kind of stuff could happen.
I know it is bad and nobody should do that but, I don't want someone to ban it too.
Also all the examples you gave, you talking about mocking the authority and someone wouldn't do that because no one is that stupid but I am sure many thinks that way. One should grow a thick skin.
You putting your views on a platform is gonna get attention and again what they did is bad, but if you don't want this ask your friends in person.
See your last statement... So other people shouldn't be able to use this site the way it's intended because others are abusing it? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Why should the people not doing anything wrong have to leave so people can keep being abusive, which again IS against the site rules... And this isn't about me, if you look at my profile I rarely ask for personal advice on here... I save that for people I know.. But others they might not have that outlet IRL and that's what this platform is for.. Again people can exercise their rights but not at the expense of other's rights
I wish we could have agreed, I will try to make my point more clear, if you have an internet connection, you have literally access to most of the stuff in this world, porn, harsh language, isis videos everything, you choose what you want to indulge in.
Secondly, different cultures brings different flavors, I am form a part of world where we believe in my things that are doesn't mean a whole lot, sex is a taboo and respecting everyone common sense, but then there are other cultures where abusing is fine and sex is just another physical transaction. So it becomes really hard to what fell into that category. I still think she has a right ask whatever she want and people can respond in however way they want. The only way to make those people feel wrong is by we people inspiring them or making them understand how we feel not sensor them.
true ,, anything other than that , is called , verbal assault, verbal abuse , defomation of character , and so on , i 100%agree , , there are so many people who choise to guess at things and not actually know them
Right!!👍👍
Freedom of speech also gives you the freedom to be an asshole. But just because you can be an asshole, doesn’t mean you should.
Also freedom of speech really only applies to the government.
Being an asshole and verbally attacking someone is not the same... One is being an ass and one is ABUSE
Thats brave and classy. I hope I've never disrespected you here, if so im sorry, tthanks for trying to help here
@Rocco7070
Dude. Grow a pair.
No.. But thanks.. And this isn't about me it's about all the toxicity on here period. People have left are leaving this site because of it.. And everyone should have the right to express themselves without being attacked by others
@joeblow123 keep it up and I'm blocking you from this post you can be rude wherever you want that's your right.. I have a right to not have you use my post to do it see you can throw that out there do can I🙂
Joeblow123, i have a pair, interested in seeing?