What do you think about guys, who mainly complain about (western) modern women?

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These typ of guys mainly blame girls for their bad relationships with women. Furthermore, they also complain especially about modern western women how they are not traditional, submissive and innocent virgins anymore or how they can't cook/ pleasure their husbands or how women these days are trash, worthless and caarer whores. So in short, these guys are pussies and attract only toxic and bad girls because that is what they are. Sorry but you just attract what you are as I mentioned. I am not saying women are angels but only blaming women for your failures makes you a pussy. I also hate how some of them fetishisize muslim/arabic/asian women because they are still traditional. Bitch, I am muslim myself and muslim women are hella materialistic and so you can't afford any kind of these women. A turkish/muslim wedding costs about 15.000-30,000 euros exclusive the gold gifts and most of them are paid by the man. But these idiots call their own women golddiggers for them excepting a man to be a provider/ to pay the dates lmao and you will be a laughing stock if you dont pay a date where I am from.
I am not saying this is good and i myself dont except a man to pay anything for me but my parents would not allowed that - but that is another story. By the way, yes some muslim women also use swear words/insults like another people of another religions because we are not angels but i am also not that religious and i just said that before a fucktard asks why i wrote this post in an offensive language.

Alexandrubaschet08 · Accepted Answer

I'm a man from Esat Europ, Romania. I live in london from a short period of time and I'm still fascinate by the West Europ womans.
The fact that is hapening bethuin west and est in CULTURE talking, is the fact that we have diferents education east people/ west people. In east a man need to pay evrething for the lady and take care of her, a man in est need to have:
A hous
A car
A prestigios job
A good salari
A good education (university, master, doctorat)
Look good in public
Be polite
I don't know what a west men need to have and how to look and how to act.
In Est Europ womans need to :
Know how to Cook
Make clean
Have a job (doesn't mather is not so good paid as long is a hard one)
Take care of the babys and husband
No need to have a very good education (higtschool is enought)
Good looking
Dres nice
(traditional way) be silance and not talk over the men (not a lot of womand do that any more, only in the small poor vilages)
This is hapening because of the hard time of the COMUNISM when evrybody need to watch theyr buisnis. The sistem whas all the time keeping the tradition of the hard working and loveing wife will she still work/have a job and because the jobs in East for men take more time then womans in the comunist time.
A man whas working some time from 8:00 to 20:00 (8:00pm), so afther a very hard time at work and making olso some shoping if he HAVE THE LUCK AND OPORTUNITY expect to come home to some relaxing, finde good food, finde a loving wife, not live in a dirty hous.
And this is the way thing have gone for decades like 45 yares. Kids whi grow in that time get the same education, boy to go for money and woman to take care of the family.
Lets not say in the est family you whas supose to marry and make baby no mather what, because in exchange you will pay more taxes to the governament. So because of that bothe of them try to take the perfect role (man get money, woman take care of the family) EVEN WHEN didn't like each other that why a lot of people todays that have live in thous time or get that education are like this.
I'm an Est Europian men and i still don't like when a girl don't know how to boil an egg, is not emotional because i can't see her like a good mom for my kids, but i like the West spirit for work when the woman bring olso money is very busy at work and need to make the work in the house like 50% to men 50% to woman.
Olso in Est is not etical for the WOMAN to stand for her family and kis and husband, that supose to be the duty of the man.
I CAN SAY A LOOOOOT MORE AND I STILL DON'T THINK I SAY EVRETHING TO COVER you're QASTION BUT HOPE I MAKE SOME SMALL CLARIFICATION

Year3000 · Accepted Answer

Unemployed, incel, losers

MzAsh · Accepted Answer

Those men are looking for women who will let them get away with being selfish, narcissistic, and abusive. The way they pedestalize Asians for being submissive is pretty inexcusable. Check this: nnedv.org/latest_update/stereotypes-asian-women/

Avoid any man who complains about “modern Western women.”

Isten · Accepted Answer

They think that submissive women love men and see no fault in them so they wouldn't try to use him as an ATM. Or they just see that those women are willing to be in a relationship with them (despite those women only fishing for green cards).

MrOracle · Answer

I have no problem with modern western women, UNTIL they start complaining that "there's no good men" or that they're upset when the traditional men that so many of them desire aren't attracted to them because they aren't traditional.

in my opinion, you can make any choices that you like about how you live your life, BUT you need to understand that each and every one of your choices is going to have consequences. If you are okay with being single forever, then what men think about your choices is irrelevant - BUT - if you want to have a relationship with a man, then what men think about your choices DOES actually matter. That's because when you involve another person, you no longer get to have everything your way - regardless of whether you're a man or a woman. You MUST make compromises and you must be okay with not always getting your way.

Some women believe they should be able to "have it all" and that "men should learn to desire them" even though they don't fit into what men find desirable. It shouldn't be a surprise that this rarely works out for them, because you can't change other people - you can only change yourself.

I am constantly telling men: if you want to get a woman, you need to make some changes to yourself and to your life that will make you more attractive to women - whether YOU want to make those changes or not is irrelevant; if you want women, there are things that you MUST do, and if you don't do them, you'll be alone. The SAME is true with women - except that it's much less politically correct to tell this to women. Well, I've never been very politically correct.

I think men who whine about women not liking them are pathetic, and I tell them so - and I tell them what they can do to fix it. Most probably don't listen, and some even get upset, but I don't care. It's the truth. And the same is true with women: if you're complaining about men, you're pathetic, and you need to make some changes in order to fix it. Don't like it? Then stay single.

Relationships require compromises, from BOTH parties. They always have, and always will. How you feel about that fact is irrelevant, because that fact will never change.

Jombie · Answer

This is a really interesting topic, and while I'm no expert on it, nor have I done any formal research, I have done a lot of reading about it. From what I understand it boils down to them being attracted to the idea that women should more or less depend on, and subsequently be subservient to, men, who would provide for them. Before we continue I'd like to make it clear that I do not subscribe to any of the ideas I'm about to discuss, I am simply stating what I believe to be the cause of this.

From my understanding, the idea of empowering women, which is extremely prevalent and pervasive in the west, has slow caused this turn of event, or so people claim. If women are empowered to do anything they want and provide for for themselves, then they do not NEED a man in their life, unless they want children, in which case sperm donors, in whatever extent you choose to apply that term, exists; adoption is always a choice too.

Meanwhile in many eastern cultures, women are still seen as needing to depend on a man. Yes, in many cases they are able to do their own work and such, but it is believed that their first duty is to their husband and children. This is why in eastern cultures you see markedly more housewives.

So it's either the reasons I mentioned above, or these guys just have jungle fever, desert fever, or yellow fever.

FireGodGoesSeeknFire · Answer

Honestly, that they don't perform well along any of the dimensions that women tend to look for and are unwilling to put in the work to standout at in at least one aspect.

Even if he's a trad-fundamentalist who believes that women shouldn't wear pants, work outside the home or kiss a man on the lips unless she feels serious to accept hid proposal I assure you there are women out their just like this dying to meet a well-educated, emotionally mature, reasonably fit man who is as pious as they are but have found literally zero eligble suitors.

Anonymous · Answer

I think they're pathetic. If your a girl and you want to be a little more tomboy, have a career, aren't submissive, don't want to have a boring ass uneventeful life at home with kids and a husband, want to date someone that you find attractive or maybe you like sex, your not a trashy "degenerate" lmao.

It's so funny how most of those guys are incels. I wonder why lol.

abc3643 · Answer

I think that they are immature unrealistic assholes who need to grow up fast and join the real world before it leaves them behind and jerking off 100% of the time.

notaguycalledchris · Answer

They're afraid to consider that they're inadequate, and that girls just don't want them yet. They don't want to acknowledge what's gone wrong in their lives or how much work is required to fix it. They're immature and it's a hard place to be. I just feel sorry for them really.

Liadon · Answer

I generally dislike this perspective, more traditional gender roles were sexist as hell and I'm glad to see them diminishing towards a more balanced distribution of power in a relationship.

MannMitAntworten · Answer

I don’t think about them. Equally I do not think about women who do the same regarding men. If anything, it is most often the source - themselves that are the problem. Hence my indifference.

0112358 · Answer

There are hints of truth in both their complaint and your point. Their valid complaints though also get swamped with a lot of just miserable guys looking to complain and imagining a fantasy relationship that doesn’t exist.

jestergent · Answer

"Her decisions and her actions are not your fault". If she wants to sleep with many men, and you don't find that attractive and reject her, its not your fault.

loveslongnails · Answer

Are the guys who complain about women really worth getting worked up over, for any reason? I tend to think not, and they're just going to argue with you anyway! LOL

Metlahaed · Answer

They are stupid, and borderline sociopaths... and probably horrible boyfriends/husbands/lovers too.

DianaWest · Answer

because they are losers who had their egos severely injured.

Jackblue · Answer

Well said. Some guys expect they can be mean, ugly, poor, and lazy and if the most attractive girl doesn't swoon over him he calls her a superficial bitch.

chris_987 · Answer

Isn’t feminism all about blaming men for there problems? Do you have a problem with them?

Anonymous · Answer

Your statement in and of itself proves the point against western women. You are a rude, angry person.

Anonymous · Answer

Entitlement mentalities

Nahid1707 · Answer

No it’s bad  Avoid negative people

7771999 · Answer

I understand them

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