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You know I've read this and it just totally pisses me off and the reason why it pisses me off is because I feel your every word I've been with three girls I was not interested in it whatsoever and it first you know I think they're just joking around and they're touching me in touch me and I just with a big smile on my face and come on just stop and then I get a little bit firmer knock it off delivery comes a moment because it flashes through my head it has all three times what a girl must go through and that's so fucked up I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy I mean I think it's disgusting I think it's fucked up and I mean I literally had to get pissed off before left I just walked out locked away because it's like they're the only ones in the room they can't hear you but they're touching you and I'm not liking it and I'm going to stop it because it sounds weird me saying this for that mean it's the truth and like I said all three times that flash a girl go through this just makes me angry pisses me off there was a time where she's touching me and I'm saying stop it I just had to pick her straight up in the air spend her to the right set her down and I walk away see the girl can't do that with a guy I don't know the three girls that were doing it to me I think they could have LOL but how are you doing today I think girls should carry mace baseball bat something so with me knowing how that feels and if any one of my friends did the girls told me that some guy would not stop I would go and beat him up I would count him so hard just because the edger that I felt when I was being touched
To me, the second I hear a “no” or “stop” - even in a “giggly” kind of way, if I’m ever in a “physical” kind of mood with her, I stop.
There’s a bit by comedian Bill Burr about how some girls/women do that “giggly, half hearted fake ‘noooo.” And they think it’s perfectly acceptable. I dated a woman for a short time who got all giggly a lot of the time - “stoooooooop!” or “Noooooo” and then would get mad when I immediately stopped trying to kiss her. “I didn’t mean it.” (like I was the biggest idiot in the world). She had some weird stuff going on in her head besides that, so we didn’t date very long (or get super physical).
If I was naïve enough to assume “Ah, this time she doesn’t mean it because she was all giggly and responding positively at the time,” then I risk some kind of charges or something. No thank you. I hear a no, I have to stop. I WILL stop. If a woman does that “playful” ‘stooooop’ with the mixed signals one too many times, I’m going to be extra cautious and break up, just to be on the safe side.
I’m erring on the side of caution, even if some get pissy with me because I listened too well.
I have never personally had a problem with getting a man to respect no. the issue is men are either on or off they do not often have an in between as where we have various levels of arousal and intimacies that are acceptable and satisfying they are nuances and signals that men often miss. while that is no excuse for a man not respecting no on the first 2nd or 3rd. I don't think most do it out of being a creep. we do sometimes send mixed signals or signals that are clear as day to us but missed by men. but there has also been a number of studies done on female sex drives and one thing that is key to many of our sex drives is desire or most specifically how much we feel desired. one study out of 870 women found that they would 78% of those said that they will use "no" as a way of testing a mans interest. if he takes no then its like "oh, well maybe I am not as "desired" as I thought" as were. Many also admitted that feeling that desired " like damn this dude really want to smash my guts huh?" eventually will turn them on even if the first few nos actually meant no. so in short while it might be kind of dickish... it works.
I honestly don’t know! I mean guys here in GAG have told me that the did it because they hoped the girl had changed her mind! I mean, these are the SAME guys that pull/push our hands onto their cock if we touch their stomach, but WE are somehow incapable of doing the same? It’s not as if guy’s make it difficult, they’ll keep touching EVERYTHING around our crotch during the 5 minutes between inappropriate “have you changed your mind yet’s” So in the name of all things holy, I have ZERO idea why they think that! Good question!
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Because sometimes 50 "no's" and a restraining order can sometimes mean "yes".🤣🤣🤣
Most women already know the answer this question. Odds are you know the answer to this question just won't admit it.
Men are taught how to act by women. Much like women are taught how to act by men. Women generally are indirect by nature. So when a guy asks her out she could be direct and say " No thanks, you're kind of repulsive to me". But she doesn't do that. Instead she says something sort of ambiguous such as " I'm just not interested in dating at this time". To the unexperienced guy this suggests that she may later. And guys are raised to pursue what they want. So what could have been simple she made hard and now he feels he has to convince her. Even worse he may respond with hostility when she finally does decide to be direct because now he feels she led him on. Because many women that to simply because they enjoy flirting with men for sport and see nothing wrong with it. Or they simply enjoy basking in the attention.
So you see if much of your gender changed guys would change as well. Since we both know that'll never happen you better just get used to it... or don't. I really don't care. 🙂
Women are indecisive. They don't know what they want most of the time, they play games, they want to be chased at times, they get scared and then come back, they have ego issues, etc. So it's not crazy to imagine that many women have said no to countless men, and then came back and chased those exact same men after saying no. It's been happening for all of human history. If you women weren't so flaky, you wouldn't have to ask that question. No sometimes means no with women... It is what it is. All of mankind wish no actually meant no. As men, we often have to reject women, because they can't get their shit straight and be genuine with us.
This is why sometimes when a simple polite question to a woman, results in her yelling and being extremely rude.
Past experience here, I merely asked someone out politely and she yelled and screamed at me, how do you dare think I would go out with you, why would you think I would ever be interested in you.
It was full of insults too. Several weeks later, she apologized said so many guys will not take no for a answer and keep pushing and she was just sick of it, wanted to make sure I and anyone else understood she had zero interest in going out with anyone and never wanted to be asked again.
Guys like this is what ruin it for the rest of us, No means leave her the f alone.
Why do some women play hard to get and say no when they want the other to try harder?
Note, this applies to some situations, not all of them. Some lose hearing once the blood pressure gets low enough in the head. At that point a jab at the throat usually works. If they get upset from that, you explain they weren't listening to you and you kick them out.
And to guys, if she gets upset because you stopped when she said no the first time, you explain to them that if they plan on playing stupid games they will win stupid prizes, and that's not pleasant to anyone involved.
Clear communication people, it's not that hard.
It’s those words of Respect and Consent.
they just do not understand or care about them.
No means no, your hand pushed away means no, that cold hard stare means no.
then they wonder why someone won’t trust them…
having respect for someone and understanding consent is so important.
however fuckwits never learn and should not really leave their mums basement.
@CrazyGirl2 was thinking of your reply on another question..
Again, 💯% agree!
Not that this is any excuse, but a couple of reasons why some guys are like this, sometimes women do play hard to get and on purpose. They want the guy to "chase" after them for whatever reason, and I think because of those times, guys just think this is the way it is sometimes? Another reason (and again, not right either) is that sometimes this does work for some guys. The girl might "give in" or eventually say yes (maybe because she can't stand up for herself or she's scared to?), sadly some guys will take advantage of that. Then there are just some people that refuse to take no for an answer.
You're very right in that people should just accept the answer and move on. But those are the reasons why some don't.
Because of the hundreds of movies growing up that show the guy pursuing the girl and in the end she realizes her feelings for him and it’s true love at the end. Guy’s have been conditioned to pursue. Personally I take the hint. I don’t have the time or desire for mind games.
Because the guys you mean are arrogant idiots. Still, the question may need a bit more attention. Just observe how male pigeons behave, and how usually the female pigeons react, and nevertheless pigeon couples seem to last whole their life, and have eggs...
Let's keep in mind that humans are part of the animal world. Some behaviours must somewhere in a far past have had a utility, and resurge as what could be called atavisms.
The only ones who tend to do that are those that are absolutely beyond desperate. And usually those are the type to “R” someone.
BE REAL CAREFUL.
I've noticed in my male-oriented jobs that those men who are considered hotter or are getting ACTION are the ones who are respectful to women and will be more calm and empathetic.
Because women DO play hard to get, among other games. I totally get your side of things, we’ve all chased someone longer than we should’ve.
But it’s a tough game, we don’t have the luxury of being able sit and wait for someone to come to us. Sometimes you have to be persistent to stand out
because guys are told to be consistent and commited. and also because there's SO MANY cases in which him being persistent actually works. so it's hard to know when to let go and when to keep going. cause "No" does not always mean no. no matter how often it is repeatet in social media.
I ran into a few women like that. They would say no, but secretly wanted me to do it anyways. Some people like a man taking control. I personally don’t like that, unless I’m role playing with a woman I know. I think that’s messed up that people do that. It can be easily pulled back and next thing you’re accused of raping someone.
I’m not sure I can answer. I was taught by my dad to be very respectful towards women. Never lay a hand on them in a manner that you could hurt them. I was raised to be a gentleman and to protect a woman. Not push myself onto them. I don’t know why guys think it’s ok to do that. I’ve been in a fight or two after hearing a guy boasting about doing that, or actually catching a guy trying to do that crap to a woman. That’s just pathetic for a man to act like that.
Because sometimes "no" means "not right now but maybe later if you try harder".
Sometimes women play hard to getSometimes they want to make the guy work for itSometimes they want to see if the guy will pursue herThere are plenty of questions on here about girls who reject guys and then later wonder why he stopped trying or how they can get the guys to chase themWith women, "no" is not a permanent state.
It's because womens actions are not congruent to their words. Women work off emotion and a lot of times they say what they're "feeling" in that moment but their feelings are constantly changing. I've taken home countless women who have told me "I'm not going to have sex w/ you tonight" who ended up having sex w/ me that night. Now to your point they never said "no" or "stop" or anything to that effect, but persistence is part of havig success w/ women.
well it's true. no means yes because we always like to play difficult and see if our man has the balls to get what he wants. It's a total turn on <3
Either some woman played games with them before you, or some man who had games played with him told them that is how woman are.
Fact: No does in fact mean no.
I honestly couldn’t say. I’ve stopped if someone tells me no. Unfortunately there’s those types of guys out there that give the rest of us a bad name. Not all men believe that way
Because they encouraged by some online coaches that women say no pretty quickly to what guys do so if they take time and try again, they could persuade girls to change their mind.
Because the world is full of retarded subs who think every guy is a telepathic CNC dom.
After encountering enough of those, a guy is liable to finally say "you know what? Fuck what you actually think."
I think you might be the first woman in history who actually means what she says. 🤣 But, yes, we are used to the women who play games and play “hard to get” and when they’re greatly offended when you take no as a definite no. So, really, you have your fellow females who play games where they say no but really want you to try harder to thank for the misunderstanding.
You're confused.
That he stops, is evidence he has control. If he had none, he wouldn't. You're not something special to demand instant control from anyone.
i had this experience before.
she didn't say "no", she said she had a bit of pain in the leg.
afterwards she felt quite bad for me not stopping.
look, speak clearly. i'm not a mind reader.
I think it is disgusting. That said, I hate women who must do the rape fantasy. In general I hate rough sex.
I always take a no as no, but I have seen some girls on here say "why didn't he try harder after I said no", so that's why.
Where do you women find these guys? I hear all about these macho, rapey weirdos but I don't know a single guy who is like that.
You women need to stay away from these idiots lol, I don't know where you find them.
Because some women do play hard to get and say the opposite of what they mean.
Passat commentary within our trying that our education system has failed them so much. No and yes are polar opposites of each other.
Unfortunately this is quite the norm that when you girls say no there's always a room for yes and we try to get you to that point. Now this may not true for every woman but i assume you will also agree that it is true for most.
Hehe , a guy had to try lol.
Yup waiting for the day when all men would take even a yes as no.
We really need to focus on our priorities
Because they're idiots and they just need a aggressive strong woman like yourself to put their asses in their place and teach them that no means no
Not all of us do I don't push a girl if she doesn't want it why ruin a good relationship my exs have just let me know when in mood by just rubbing my leg close to my thing
Because most of the time girls will change their mind. We just do what works. If most of you would stop playing games or changing your minds so easily we would believe no means no. Until then...
Because you have a ton of dumb women who actually do mean yes when they say no
I only seen this happen in movies, highly doubt it happens in reality that often since I highly doubt any man wants to become a sex offender nowadays
No restraint, no respect for boundaries, conditioned to pursue, or/and he's a predator who's using the moment as an opportunity.
Cause we are told women like to be chased even after saying no they really want to test if he is willing to chase her
For the same reason that I am constantly bombarded by women looking for sugar daddies.
Because some people feel entitled.
Because quite a lot of women (including here) do mean yes when they say no and get offended and even full hostile when it's heard as a no. And they are stupid enough to appease such women.
I agree with you , knock him upside his head or kick him in the balls that will stop him
In some cases, we're taught that when a girl says, "no", she really means, "yes"!
Maybe they're high. Maybe they have a hearing problem. Maybe they're just dense. So many possibilities.
Not a single one of those make it okay
@ix_Sadisma_xi I never said it was.
Because there is such a thing as token resistance. There is a far easier way of figuring out if it is token or not than just "convincing".
Guys do that cause there hoping you change your mind and most times girls do. That's why they do it if you want a guy to stop just be stern and they will if they don't dump him
Because very often it's just a test to weed out the beta males who respect women sooo much they stop immediately when she says no.
Because some women say no but actually mean yes because they want the guy to put in more effort.
because men take it as a challenge and they think the woman is playing hard to get and it just is annoying i know.
Seriously. If she tells you "no", she's not into you. Leave her the hell alone.
hormones not reason are controlling his actions... a "sledge hammer" would just seem like a gentle "hint"
Coz they have no character and have poor upbringing so can't respect any woman in life, best way to deal with them is to block them and move on
That is not accurate. When a girl says "No" she often means "Maybe" and "Maybe" means "Yes."
Because women send mixed signals and cock teasing should be illegal if you touch it you should have to do something about it
There's two kinds of no's
Because sometimes it does, depending on how she says it
Because to some girls, no does mean yes, Maybe means yes, "don't, stop" means don't stop.
often it does mean yes. Quite often they relent and you get laid. Especially after a few drinks
It depends of the context …there's a gray area there
They are rapists obviously. Report them to the police.
They don't think no means yes.
They are just assholes :)
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