Like how often does it randomly cross your mind?
I just wanna know cause as a woman I never think about it unless I'm watching a history show or reading a history book... do men really think about this stuff?
Women feel free to vote too
Like how often does it randomly cross your mind?
I just wanna know cause as a woman I never think about it unless I'm watching a history show or reading a history book... do men really think about this stuff?
Women feel free to vote too
Rome was built with concrete and infused with water. Water channeled from mountain springs miles away through aqueducts was its lifeblood.
They had elevates lead exposure from pipes and drinking containers as someone else mentioned. The WHO recommends a PEL less than 5μg/kg bw/day for an adult, they were getting up to 40 times that. There is an estimated drop in ~1 IQ point per every additional 0.6μg/kg bw/day intake. If it’s linearly correlated, that would give them about -300 IQ compared to those unexposed. Lead has been known to cause mental retardation and emotional deregulation (dumb and violent). Below 70 is considered retarded. IQ is a relative measurement and it was a very dark and violent world back then. They had a far lower baseline than today.
Slavery was socially acceptable. Most were white. The Western Roman empire fell first to peoples of Germania (Goths and Vandals) from the North and encroaching Huns from the East. The Byzantine (Eastern Roman) empire stood a lot longer before officially ending at the hands of the Ottomans. It didn’t happen overnight. It was gradual over centuries. Mostly it was greed and decadence. They had nobler beginnings as a representative democracy. They became increasingly diversified as they expanded in their early years as a Republic. They started to commission conquered peoples to govern the outlying Roman territories. As more and more “barbarians” joined their ranks filling the roles Romans once had, the increasing diversity forced the emergence of Roman emperors in response to constant civil wars. Loyalties were all over the place as citizens of all origins vied for power, money can’t always buy loyalty. Roman decedents chose increasingly luxurious, indulgent, gluttonous, and effete lives over the nobler pursuits of their predecessors. It continually snowballed. After the Roman empire fell, a huge power vacuum was left and the dark ages began in Europe for nearly a millennia.
I see these parallels in the Western World today. Difference is we have a huge gun pointed at us and the world.
When it’s brought up, which isn’t often. European and US history is fascinating.
I think the guy in that post might have been messing with his wife, but who knows.
So what did your non-dominant leader husband say? Out of curiosity, I asked my sister to ask her husband. He said a couple times a week and repeated some of the things in those videos you might have watched.
So, being our friendly neighborhood, boldly hypocritical, nudist supporting, and shameless shit (“all women are dominant”), are you courageous or brave enough to share what you think of the Roman Empire? What DO you think of it?
I didn’t ask how often you thought about it. I asked WHAT you thought about it. The subject is broached when brought up. Are you saying you don’t wish to share your input on it?
I think about it occasionally - the Roman Empire has had a MAJOR impact on the world, Europe and the Middle East in particular, and all of the people and cultures that came out of it. They were the most technologically advanced civilization in their day, and much of their technology was completely lost to the world for 1500 years after the fall of the Empire, before being "reinvented" in the 18th and 19th centuries. And when you get into discussions about history - which I tend do so reasonably often (at least 2-3 times a week), it's hard not to make the occasional reference.
It's not like I sit around in my free time and just THINK about it for no reason, but if there's a reason, then, sure.
But the Romans did so many things that were breakthroughs at the time. The road system is one example: the Romans literally brought road-builders with their armies when they would march off to conquer an area, and they built paved roads as they went - many of those roads are the basis of modern roads today, meaning people were still using those very same roads nearly 2000 years later before we paved them over with modern technology in the 20th Century. The city of London was founded by the Romans, and the bridges they built to get to London were in use for nearly 2000 years - a few still stand today.
You have aqueducts to bring fresh water from far away, you have a reasonably modern sewer system that kept the cities relatively clean and safe by removing waste, you had their system of war-fighting, of politics (and, yes, much of this was heavily influenced by the Greeks), and many other things. They even had plumbed-in hot water to some buildings - a technology that wouldn't re-appear in Europe until the mid-1800s. And these are just a few of hundreds of examples, so for anyone interested in history, technology, war, politics, etc., thinking about the Roman Empire isn't all that unusual.
I think about it periodically bc of the historical impact towards todays political system that grifts as a “democracy” but functions similar to the way the Roman Empire did when it shifted power away from representative democracy of the Roman Republic (509–27 bce) , to centralized imperial authority with the emperor holding the most power. For ex under Augustus's reign (31 BC – 14 AD), emperors gained the ability to introduce and veto laws, as well as command the army…Like a U S president.
I think the only time most of them think about it is when they watch some movie, like Gladiator, or think about the Toga parties they went to in college, or dream about having an orgy with a bunch of women.
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Sometimes I do because I gradually learn more and more about it and the ripples through history that it has since.
In particular, also, I think of Isaac Asimov's "Foundation" (and, later-connected, robot novels).
In "Foundation", there has been a human empire that spans the galaxy for over 12,000 years. One man, a mathematician named Hari Seldon, predicted its downfall within 1000 years and that the coming interregnum (aka "Dark Ages") would last 20,000 years before a new empire would form. The Empire doesn't believe him but banishes him and his associates to live on a planet called Terminus on the periphery of the galaxy. There, Seldon claimed he and his group would create an Encyclopaedia Galactica that would capture all of the knowledge of the Empire and this would reduce the interregnum to only 1000 years. While they were making the encyclopedia, they were some of them were secretly also creating the seeds of a new galactic order based on The Foundation as the power and a secret Second Foundation to make sure, in a clandestine way that The Foundation would not know about, that The Foundation achieves the goal of establishing the Second Galactic Empire within 1000 years.
Asimov was inspired to write this based after reading the 6-volume set "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" by 18th Century English historian Edward Gibbon. From there, Asimov's Galactic Empire was the stand-in for the Roman Empire although then events in the Foundation universe are fantastically different.
Interesing...
Maybe you were reading this article too, but the New York Times just did a piece on men and the Roman Empire.
www.nytimes.com/.../...e-men-tiktok-instagram.html
TITLE: Are Men Obsessed With the Roman Empire? Yes, Say Men.
SUBTITLE: Women are asking the men in their lives how often they think about ancient Rome. Their responses, posted online, can be startling in their frequency.
By Callie Holtermann and Frank Rojas
Sept. 15, 2023
Updated 1:34 p. m. ET
The Roman Empire began in 27 B. C. and fell in A. D. 476.
And in A. D. 2023, it went viral on TikTok.
In posts shared on social media, women have been asking the men in their lives how often they think about ancient Rome. “Constantly,” one husband responded. “Like, every day,” said a boyfriend. As of Thursday night, a thread on X, formerly known as Twitter, went on like this for MDCLXXIX messages. (Sorry, that’s 1,679.)
The posts have set off skepticism over whether men are actually obsessed with the Romans — and if so, what draws them to the ancient empire. It appears that the populus will not rest without answers.
“I’m starting to get sick of being asked about this,” said Kevin Feeney, a faculty fellow at New York University who teaches an introductory class on Roman history. By his estimation, enrollment is about 60 percent male.
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Ancient Roman society was “extremely, extremely patriarchal,” he said, and was dominated by such alpha males as Julius Caesar and Augustus, its first emperor.
But that’s far from the whole story of Rome, or of its scholars, he added. Roman society influences everything from the United States’ form of government to its language to its architecture (right down to the prefix “arch,” which, as it happens, is also a structure popularized by the Romans).
Its history has been dissected by scholars including Mary Beard, the author of the 2015 book “SPQR.” Ms. Beard declined to comment because she is off filming. In Rome.
Dr. Feeney said he had “seen this idea out there that men care more about history,” as a result of the social media trend. “And obviously, that’s complete nonsense.”
Still, many women have been shocked by the enthusiasm men display for the ancient empire.
The trend seemed to really take off last week after Kelsey Lewis Vincent of Wilson, N. C., was scrolling through social media one night when she came across an Instagram Reel mysteriously suggesting that men the world over were hiding a secret: “Ladies, many of you do not realise how often men think about the Roman Empire.”
Ms. Vincent asked her husband, Remy, how often the ancient civilization crossed his mind, and shared his response in a post that has now been viewed millions of times: “Without missing a beat he said ‘Every day.’”
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When asked in an interview what “every day” entailed, in practical effect, Mr. Vincent, 33, said, “I’ll be going through my day and my internal monologue, as I’m driving on the highway, will remind me that this was something the Romans in a way created.” He continued, “I then start to wonder what daily life was like back then.”
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Delara Alviri, 28, an entertainment lawyer in Los Angeles, found greater ambivalence when she surveyed 10 of her male friends about Rome this week. Five of them were really into it, but the other five were relatively unmoved. One said he thought about ancient Rome only when he ordered pizza from the chain Little Caesars.
Ms. Alviri said the trope reminded her of “girl dinner,” another online phenomenon that declared something not obviously gendered — in that case, a plate of nibbles — to be a uniquely gendered experience. “I feel like it has to do with a lot of the current questioning of gender roles and norms in general,” she said.
Judith Hallett, an emeritus professor of classics at the University of Maryland, described ancient Rome as “a place where there were many different definitions of masculinity.”
But after first being exposed to the civilization in middle and secondary school, Dr. Hallett added, many men continue to consume Roman history through mass media.
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In recent popular culture, Roman history has been told through entertainment media like “Gladiator,” winner of the 2000 Oscar for best picture, and the TV show “Spartacus,” which focus on battles and often appeal to male audiences. “The games you play and what TV shows you watch are informing a new audience of Roman fans,” she said.
Others have argued that ancient Rome is intriguing to Americans because the country is facing a similar decline today.
That kind of status anxiety is not unique to the United States, or even to the 21st century, Dr. Feeney of N. Y. U. said. Indeed, The New York Times published articles comparing the state of the United States to the decline of Rome in 1975, 1999, 2007, 2018, 2021 and just this month.
Still, it’s not as if ancient Rome is all that men talk about, Mr. Vincent said.
“We’re not necessarily cracking open beers talking about the Roman Empire,” he said. “But it does kind of come up when we talk about who would win in a fight — a gladiatorial fight — between Thanos and Captain America.”
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i dont know much about it other than they had defeated during war with visigoth from northen Europe , i am more fascinated to Europe history after they downfall
so , after roman empire is finished , the majority part of their teritory turn into new kingdom called byzantine empire
few hundred years later , byzantine empire invaded and had crushing defeat to muslim kingdom , seljuk turks , record said that they actually adapt same tactics from visigoth to win the war
byzantine lost many of their territory mostly on their eastern side , but they still had the capital , constantinople ,, which known as richest city in Europe during middle ages
the news of byzantine lost against seljuk spread across the Europe , which trigger the famous event during that time , the crusader war
christian won the first crusade , and gave seljuk major blow , the byzantine territory who was captured by seljuk before , break free , and formed new muslim kigndom , known as ottoman empire later
not every day 🤣 i enjoy learning about history and sometimes do think of the roman empire in the context of how it was a great empire that collapsed and relate it to the United States. I actually learned the other day about how part of the downfall of the roman empire was due to all of their water pipes were made from lead. Lead contains a neurotoxin that literally drives people insane, hence why our gasoline is all unleaded now a days.
Not too often. Roman Empire or Republic at least is ruled by a dicktator named Gaius Julius Caesar. I dislike dicktatorships, as they remind me of myself, living in a dicktatorship. Romans also copied many things, like the bathtub, their messed-up αλφάβητο, Republic (same as democracy, in Greek both are the same: δημοκρατία), &c from the Greeks. And who could ever forget gladiator fighting to the death?
Not to often. What I find funny though. Ancient Rome had advanced technology and very civilized. While most of medieval Europe were just on regular standards of living. Medieval Europeans were mostly town and countryside people.
Ancient Romans were a metropolis such as how it is here in Toronto where am from. They were the Toronto of the 2nd century.
This such a random question😂 Definitely more than the average person, even more so after I went there. Romans were so kinky and into feet. I would have loved to have been alive during that time.
Why?😂
OK. Far enough 😂
Because it eventually lead to the Roman catholic church, which used god worshipping beliefs to opress and conquer the world by using nonbelievers as a means to do a "holy crusade" they also used crusades as a means of retaliation to empires who would not bend a knee. After that all slowed down sects spread off and mentality of opposition still spread amung the believers leading to the misconceptions, brainwashed belief hate, factless-based hate we deal with today.
Well as a history buff, I suppose I think about something historical everyday. I’ve been neck deep in the Holocaust last several months. But it will change.
Not sure why men would be 100% devoted to the Roman Empire. I doubt most know little about it.
Why were Jews targeted? Be honest.
@love_conquers_lust White Russians.
How?
@love_conquers_lust (sigh) how far back does my free history lesson must go? Do you know what White Russians are?
Someone is a little stuck up:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aufbau_Vereinigung
Besides, I want to know what exactly Jews did to be targeted. It wasn’t merely because they were Jews, that’s a lie. It’s “antisemitic” bull shit. You don’t draw that kind of ire from multiple peoples across multiple nations for “minding your own business” and doing “nothing”.
@love_conquers_lust I can’t read the wiki article for some reason. Only getting a portion… Aufbau Vereinigung (Reconstruction Organisation), sounds like another Friekorp.
But the White Russians were beaten in the Russian revolution and exiled. They wanted support so they tied Judaism to communism, thus Jewish Bolshevism, (along with fraudulent Protocols that was pure BS).
Then Hitler read about Darwinism and German Nationalism that called for colonizing Eastward. So put it all together with his dumbass racism, the Jews are controlling Russia apparently, Germans need to kill them all and colonize (Lebensraum).
Hitler goes even further in his writings about the Jews being parasites, but it’s really meaningless.
Oh finally read it, yeah that seems to fit. I mean there’s any Hitler wanted war and the Holocaust…and then there’s why the German People wanted war and the Holocaust. The whole “stab in the back” thing blaming Jews and leftists, but also believing Nordic German Supremacy.
Hitler really got in deep, wanting continual war, any ideas that deviated from constant fighting for food between the races was a Jewish plot. He was nuts.
@OddBeMe. Jews being parasites alludes to what Henry Ford said about shareholders. Hitler cited his influence. Ford said the exact same thing as he became increasingly antisemitic the more he dealt with them. He was taken to the Supreme court by the Dodge brothers for refusing to give shareholders any earnings and instead reinvesting into company expansion and worker well being. It’s funny how today, earnings will sometimes go negative by a board’s choice, you don’t see them going to court for that. Sometimes they’ll go insolvent and ask for a bailout. So, shareholders cry when they don’t get more value that they didn’t earn outside of the risk of losing investment that otherwise would have sat idle, and they cry for a handout when they go bankrupt. Ford hated both shareholders and Unions, or their leaders at least. And he increasingly associated them with Jews, because, god damn it, they’re disproportionately represented in those types of vocations.
Are you beginning to see why antisemitism exists? Do you see why the very term is stupid to begin with? Do people get mad about anti-Christian (Armenian genocide), anti-European (Barbaric slave trade), anti-Native American (European colonists disease), anti-Russian (collapse if the Soviet Union). We can go on for a good long while.
All these groups, are openly and widely criticized today. Why are people of the Jewish faith given exception? Why are they held up on high above others with their own subsidized country?
@OddBeMe. Their own faith gives them a playbook for finance. They consider themselves the chosen people. They regard everyone else, gentiles, non-believers, as below them, not really much different from Islam. They are given a different set of rules when it comes to lending. Their history of persecution really does go back to the crucifixion of Jesus two millennia ago. A few Jewish leaders ruined it for the rest of them when they had pleaded with the Romans to execute one of their own who was preaching to be more charitable and NOT expect interest on investment. One guy, suffered nobly, and it absolutely fractured the Jewish faith. Sent a profound message that rocked the world of Judaism, by their own doing. The sect of Christianity split off and converted Jews at alarming rates. Their leadership had decentralized. They became the diaspora out of necessity. Their education, literacy, it was all intwined for multiple reasons. They wanted to spread the lessons of what happened. The survival of their faith depended on it. Unfortunately, charity and denouncing lending on interest by Christian officials left a huge supply side hole in the money lending market. So there was no competition to keep their rates in check at reasonable levels. That’s why usury was also condemned by church officials. It just snowballed into Jews continually being persecuted nation after nation.
I didn’t read Mein Kampf, I hear snippets from it from other people. Not everything the guy said was pure evil. It’s just murdering people is never the answer. The stab in the back had to do with German’s believing they didn’t actually surrender or agree to any armistice after WW1.
I wouldn’t write him off as nuts. He managed to take control of an entire nation that was so industrious and advanced, they brought nearly all of Europe under their control. This was after two great depressions from the Treaty of Versailles and the US ‘29 stock market crash. It is faaaar more complex than people realize.
@love_conquers_lust it’s funny…most “goddamn Jews”, as you put it, aren’t even religious.
But there’s a lot of trends in society. Like White Anglo Saxon Protestants controlling a majority of the wealth for most of America’s history.
Now I think Baptist or something may be more. Who cares?
Yeah, WASPs. I assume you mean devout, to be confirmed of any faith is to be religious. I say “goddamn Jews” in that context because they keep “finding” themselves in the very situations that perpetuate the stereotypes that they call antisemitic. I’m like, stop giving people a reason to hate you, dumb shits.
I admire Germans. I’m mostly German. I’m not concerned about killing Jews. I am concerned with greedy fucks, Jew or not.
So many theories and phenomena come from German innovation. A lot of intelligent Jews were German.
@love_conquers_lust Funny how “Jewish” or “greedy” the Nazis got during the Holocaust. Pulling gold teeth, reintroducing slave labor to Europe…
People who seem to ask about Jews controlling the media, or having wealth, etc, seem to forget the other people who control media and have wealth.
Also they might be counting someone like the CEO of Disney as Jewish because of his last name and what his parents believed as a religion. But not what he believes. Or cares about.
You’ve got blinders on and I wish you’d acquire a wider lens for the world.
What blinders. I said Jew or not. I don’t know how many times I have said on here problems are because of greed. Happening to also be Jewish doesn’t give them a free pass because the term antisemitism says it’s some kind of cardinal sin to criticize them, it isn’t.
You’re doing the thing I have a problem with. Trying to paint me as some antisemitic Nazi and it won’t work. It’s actually Jewish behavior to do so, and it’s part of the reason why so many Nazis and other people hated them. <—See how that works? Every time someone calls me a Nazi antisemite for criticizing Jews, I call them a greedy Jewish fuck or sympathizer for doing so. It’s not some kind of trap that I’m falling into. It’s why I have such a problem with the term antisemitic to begin with. Luckily, in the US, I don’t have to give a fuck how much they cry about it. I can call Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheist, Agnostics, whoever worthless fucks in public forums as much as I please. It’s protected speech.
Not really I know about the Roman's but that's because I played games like "Spartan" who was from Troy and had special herculean type powers and u could like tear peoples heads off and limbs with ur sword it was a good game when I was kid when u fought Rome and the nephillim and Medusa back in the greek of mythology. But I am more focused about the Spartans then I am Rome because the Spartans were the warriors
Must be an American thing. Because I only think about the Roman Empire when I read a history book or the New Testament but I never do without a context.
Often, but that is because I’ve read more history over the years than I can keep track of and have been mapping out patterns of cultural cycles to gain insight into the direction things could go in the West.
julius caser style
@Apple1996 So, I was thinking about the Roman Empire a bit last night because of this question, and thought of something interesting. I suspect we think about the Roman Empire a lot more than the Romans thought about history. Some cultures are more historically focused than others. For example, the Romans did not value artifacts due to their age at all, but we collect them and put them in museums. Indian culture did not produce history, but Egyptian culture solidified it in stone. The Romans themselves must have had records of Pompeii stashed away in their bureaucratic archives, but within a couple generations of Pompeii’s volcanic destruction the Romans only had rumors that a city had been there and its location was forgotten until Western archaeologists excavated the ruins.
Western men think of the history of Rome, but Greco-Roman men at the equivalent point in their cultural cycle rarely thought about the Etruscans or Minoans that preceded them. If Romans thought of a historical figure, it was most likely in the context of the present. Caesar complained that Alexander had conquered most of the world by 30, while by the same age Caesar had been pushed into what his opponents thought would be a dead-end position, the Priest of Jupiter. Romans thought much more about personal destiny or fate than Western men can even imagine.
When it comes to what men think about, there is always sex and hierarchy, but how men perceive time and physical space is determined by culture.
Already thought twice about General Melagious and his war!.
Yeah but there is a catch!
There was no Roman General Melagious, I made him up, used the Name "General Melagius" from Age of Mythology..
An antagonists character that I killed a few times..
https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Melagius
1) It proves how Gullible women are, if we lie to them about things they don't find interesting, list of all Roman General is public, but it's boring and women hate "Boring" so they will never go and check it..
2) Yes, Men do this of Roman Empire. But not all, all men have a war cry in them, War Horn will give all men Goosebumps..
Most men in West Associate that "War cry" with roman empire, the greatest empire in history, I don't associate with it, because I never studied it..
My War Cry is associated with Epic Battle of "Ramayana or Mahabharat ", Yes i think once or twice daily about it!.. Sometimes it can be the Independence war of India against British rules or against Mugal Invasion.. It's a War Cry and it's not something we can control..
Conclusion : All men have War Cry!..
Got a mail that's a great answer for you..
Men think about the Roman Empire constantly because we’re obsessed with how things work in life.
Why the Roman Empire? Because it’s all-encompassing.
The Roman Empire was extremely large and complicated yet brutally effective.
Aesthetically beautiful.
Militarily successful, economically brilliant.
There was treachery and brotherhood.
There were rich and slaves.
It’s the first fully studied and well-known period of ancient history from which we can draw exact comparisons.
In many ways, they were exactly like us.
And they pulled off this empire with no modern technology.
We can’t relate to the Mongol empire.
They were nothing like us.
The innate protective instincts inside of us also want to understand how something so amazing could be destroyed.
What went “wrong”
We look for the lessons in their construction and destruction and extrapolate/apply them across all areas of life.
If women understood the fall of the Roman Empire their entire politics would change.
But women don’t think about the Roman Empire.
Truthfully -
Women don’t think about it very much at all.
Women feel things.
That’s their superpower.
And they think about what they feel and why.
They very rarely dedicate cognition to anything outside of immediate emotion.
- Tate
I don't think about the Roman Empire very often. I was in Europe earlier this year and thought about the Roman Empire as I toured its ruins and the history it left behind.
Everyday.. good ol' days 💀
I really don't. Unless I'm in middle of a project. I have remind myself that "Rome wasn't built in a day." Other than that, not at all.
At least once a day. Its history affects our everyday life.
Oh definitely and The Greek Empire a couple times a week too
I’m a girl and I think about the Roman Republic a lot. The Empire doesn’t interest me as much. But then again I like history.
Rarely, I do think about other historical times and people but the Romans, eh, a few times a year.
I often think about the Roman Empire, but that is because I live in the North of England close to Roman remains on the Solway Firth that are part of Hadrian's Wall.
Very often, I'm fascinated by Roman technology, building, and engineering, so many roads in England were made by the Roman army and they are STILL sound,,,
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