Can animals suffer?

[Stoner710]

So we know that animal feel pain but can they suffer the food industry doesn't want this question to be awnser because it would prove that the things they do to the animal we eat would be considered Torture Like did you know what broiler chicken have there beak cut off so they don't kill the other chickens that are in there space this make it hard to eat for these bird I don't know about you but this seam like suffering to me that's just chicken the cows we eat are stuck in feed lot thousands of cow the a very small area. Now I'm not going to stop eating meat but because of this that would be unwise but I beleave it is wise to look into were our food comes from happy cows produce Good meat vs unhappy cows in these feed lots. And for thoughs vegan out there the life style as a global idea isn't sustainable unless we important a lot from different countries and become a mass global food market like New Englander there is nothing that grows naturally that we really eat corn doesn't grow there well neither does soy compared to the Iowa corn field and the SD feed lot cow farm but anyway that's my little rant. But what do you guys think can animals suffer if your awnser is yes then we must boycott industrial meet and buy from local farms that have good reputation and for lower income I would say unfortunately yes you would have to stop eating meet

[meowcow]

I think everyone knows that most animals feel pain and they can suffer. I don't think you're correct that the "food industry doesn't want this question answered". I don't think they care, and neither do most people.

It is one thing for people to SAY they care about animals being sent to the slaughterhouse. But public behavior does not reflect what people say. If farms were to raise their animals in more humane ways (e. g., more roaming space, better vet care for sick animals... etc), the price of your meat and animal products could double or triple - especially seeing how vet costs are very high. A few visits from a vet at several thousand dollars a pop, and your cow is no longer a profitable commodity.

When it comes to the grocery store, consumers ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS select the lowest priced product. I few may not - but 99.99% of those will. And this is the driving force that causes slaughterhouses to cut costs, reduce land usage and making living conditions for animals cruel and torturous.

Because the reality is, if they applied more humane practices and increased their product price, they would go bankrupt because consumers (you and me) would choose the meat that costs less. And even if higher standards were passed into law, imported meat from other countries would still be cheaper because those laws don't apply to their farming practices.

Besides, if you ever see animals in the wild, the natural way they die from predators isn't all that much better. They're usually being chewed away while still alive. Eating meat causes suffering on the one being eaten. Too bad.

[Anonymous]

Suffering requires a sense of contingency (you have to be able to think "this need not have happened") and a feeling of yourself as an entity. Many animals have the latter clearly, they recognize themselves in a mirror for example a few probably have the former as well, cetaceans and apes but probably not any farm animals. Pigs are the smartest animals we raise for food, it would be interesting to see if they can conceptualize contingency.

[Kiwedin]

Your thought process reminds me a lot of mine before I went vegan. I acknowledged the pain that animals went through and it felt wrong to cause harm, but I was so convinced that eating meat was normal, natural, and necessary. However, upon further research, I realized that all my concerns about veganism and all my misconceptions about morality and food choices were completely cleared up. I'd highly recommend watching Earthlings, which you can find on YouTube, and Cowspiracy, which you can find on Netflix. It'll answer questions you have and it will clear up those misconceptions you have about veganism not being sustainable (it's actually the most sustainable diet for the planet).
To answer your question, animals do suffer as they have central nervous systems, nociceptors, and are capable of feelings such as fear, anger, and sadness. I think boycotting animal agriculture is very reasonable and should be considered by everyone, seeing as animal agriculture is the leading cause of greenhouse gas emissions, water pollution, water consumption, ocean dead zones, soil erosion, Amazon rainforest deforestation, and many other environmental issues we're facing today.

[Rainie_]

Well we are after all omnivores, and like other animals our preys meet a sad end just so we can eat. Its pretty much just nature if you ask me. Are we going to tell the wolves and lions to stop eating their prey alive because they would be in pain? Haha I think not. And even if we stopped eating animals such as chickens, leave them in the wild and they'll be eaten by another predator. They'll pretty much suffer either way because that is nature, unfortunately.

[Stoner710]

would you tell a wolf to get into a cage and exspect him to be happy? Not saying release the chickens and cows out into the wild ( although there is a good population of wild chicken in Hawaii do to a hurricane in 1993) Nature if not being confined to 5-6 feet of space I'm talking about the older way of cattle and chicken raising interest of pupping hormones into them why not have them feed on the grass corn and bug they would in the wild freed ruminants a diet of grass instead of corn cows can't digest the stuff and there's not enough nutrients in it for them to sustain themselves so we have to pump it full of antibiotics now who's eating grass clovers and stuff like that which we are cows for centuries prior to the 20t now who's eating grass clovers and stuff like that which we then are cows for centuries prior to the The feedlot slaughter houses in industrial farming we have today I'm pretty sure grass fed cows are a lot happier then cornbread in the stock produced cow at McDonald's

[BertMacklinFBI]

"animals don't feel pain" - Creed Bratton

[Waffles731]

""No one steals from Creed Bratton and gets away with it. The last person to do this disappeared, his name Creed Bratton."-Creed Bratton

[BertMacklinFBI]

@Waffles731 lol that guy

[BertMacklinFBI]

@Waffles731 holy shit that just opened my eyes. is Creed even really Creed? or was there an original Creed and he killed him and assumed his identity?

[Waffles731]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaGH6HC-1K4
There is the clip but I think its an assumed identity

[doobie345621]

Yes, of course animals suffer. Animals are very emotional creatures, just because they can't communicate with us doesn't mean they don't have feelings/thoughts/emotions. Some studies have shown that some animals (in the study it was whales) are actually more emotionally developed than humans. Animals are also way more in tune with the spiritual world than we are. Animals grieve over their dead, crows go back to visit their parents every once in a while, they understand what's going on. There have been many instances that prove animals have emotions.

[doobie345621]

If you don't believe me, look it up. It has been proven.

[anonymous83]

I strongly believe they can suffer, and feel sadness just like the rest of us. Just because they can't talk doesn't mean they don't feel. Ever see how excited a dog gets when the owner comes home? That's love.

[Anonymous]

I think they definitely feel more distress at their factory farm living conditions than they do most of the time in the wild or on a small far. I think about this often, but honestly, the enormity of the human population is hard for me to even fathom as real.

[ThisDudeHere]

That's why we have to eat them. So that they could suffer less.

[maiez]

Yes they suffer, I'll eat anything though. Thats how life works, don't think about it.

[sunlite]

hope not, i've killed too many ants in a cruel way

[Fearless_banana]

A vegan in the making.

[Stoner710]

Not happening I'd rather hunt the meat or raise it my self but as far and industrial beer goes I'm good might be a temporary one when I'm in the city now I know where my food is coming form then go back and raise it my self lol

[dwiller943]

Yes. I've even seen a dog cry.

[sixnineanon]

Yes I'm a giraffe and I suffer everyday

[bcromartie]

Well that is rather airtight...