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It depends on how you see it or who you are referring to. Body positivity and acceptance is very important and society needs to stop being so intolerant and harsh towards overweight people. No matter how much people talk about health or medical bills and taxes we all know that deep down it's just your superficial privileged ass.
I don't support promoting obesity and unhealthy eating, I try to encourage my overweight friends and family members to eat healthier and choose their favorite physical activity to bang on. But I know that things are not very simple for everyone and we never know what other people are going through.
Conclusion:
I don't support fat shaming or any body shaming.
I don't support unhealthy lifestyle either whether it's literally eating and physical activity or just mental state.
But I do urge people to be more compassionate and less harsh and intolerant.
Being fat doesn't mean you just sit in and cry, no. Every human being is still valuable, they matter and they have the full right to enjoy their lives.
I agree with most of what you said however, you need to realise how big an effect it has on our healthcare system, in my local hospital we have had to pay millions for mobile Cath labs, because of the growing number of people having heart problems, to say most of these are congenital issues is false, the majority of them are preventable, about 3 months ago a man had to taken to a hospital 2 hrs away with heart problems and died in transit, only because we do not have the facilities to accommodate the growing numbers, I would much rather see this money, go towards other areas of health that are underfunded, such as mental health and palliative care, or more funding for the radiology department
So don't tell me it's because I'm superficial or privileged
Listen. The reason why obesity is such a big fuss is more than because of just health issues. I never see people shitting on smokers?
If people started promoting smoking as healthy and that you should be proud that you smoke, then people would be shitting on them just as much, it's more about the promotion of their unhealthy habits than it is the unhealthy habits themselves
People rail on smokers all the time. And they are only permitted to smoke in certain areas where obese people can go anywhere they can squeeze into.
I am not talking about smoking being regulated. I am talking about shaming smokers. I never saw anyone insulting or shaming a smoker. In fact many people see it as a cool thing.
I actually shame smokers. I give them disgusted look if they smoke at public spaces with "no smoking" sign. I tell them to smoke somewhere else if they ignore me. I really hate smokers!
Yeah smokers do get shamed, in school the only people that smoked were outcasts and they got picked on, now imagine if there was a movement where people were like smoking is healthy, you should be proud of smoking
Smokers DIRECTLY affect other non smokers, they are POLLUTING our air.
I'd be pissed with such movement lol!
Maybe it happened in your school or whatever but it still isn't a thing.
Anyway, that's not my point. Shaming anyone is never okay and if any one of you shame smokers, don't. My point was mainly that people mainly care about obesity because of being superficial and not health conscious. Some of these people probably aren't even taking care of their sick moms back home, bunch of hypocrites.
They should be righfully shamed for smoking at non smoking place where it is illegal to do so, they will either face fine or imprisonment if I report to the police.
But obesity if a different issue altogether, no law ever punish someone for being overweight. And no I never shame overweight people. I encourage them to be healthier and lose weight if they could.
Yeah nowhere in my original post did I say we should shame anyone, I actually agreed with you about that if you go back, so I don't even know why you're bringing that up
No that reply not directed at you, but at the previous reply made by the opinion owner.
@shimmeryns if a person illegally smoked at a non smoking zone I would tell them to stop smoking in that place and if they refuse I would report, but I don't see any reason to be rude or hurtful. It is possible to maintain decorum when dealing with such people.
The bottmline is I hate smokers, especially when they are rude enough to smoke infront of infants, pregnant ladies, at non smoking area zone -- knowing well she shouldn't. I have zero tolerance for such ignorance. People may have asthma, second hand smokers experience severe health issues. I wish they just inhale the smoke and keep it in their lungs.
Well apparently you don't get out much.
I've been large - I'm just going to say 'It was my body then, my business, it's my body now, my business'. If people aren't happy it's their problem. I don't live my life for other people, if I make changes to it I won't do it for other people either (I have in the past). Except me or walk away. To many people think that they are entitled to tell others how to live one way or another. Wrong, (Unless it's your profession (Doctor etc).
I mean it becomes other peoples business when they are paying for it, live however you want, but don't expect society to accept and normalize it, it's dangerous for the children of the future, if I saw ads normalizing alcoholism or illicit drug use, I'd feel the same way, I don't mean it as am attack on you personally, just the movement
I honestly didn't take it as one, it's the problem with with written words is they're emotionless, but no, if someone wants to pay for it, it's upto them? Not everyone is attracted to the same sort of person in any sense. (The difference when I was bigger I wasn't comfortable in my own skin, as some aren't thinner or some aren't standard so end up with a 6 pack... there are all sorts of people in the world lol, I guess for me in life this is one of those 'let it be' things, like a lot of things, they're adults, they know everything there is to know, it's their choice, and I don't have to have anything to do with it - so it doesn't have anything to do with me)
People are entitled once your "choice" is influencing others to be fat as well. This is unacceptable, to encourage people to live an unhealthy life is the same thing as encourage people to smoke cigarettes.
@Ice_Wallow_Come I'm not encouraging it, just minding my own business... If people are overweight and unhappy and you start nagging and being negative, they're more likely to turn to their comfort, and if people are walking, getting out making slow changes and you point out they're fat make them feel bad for existing, they might give up trying, so there's that way to look at it too. I tend to look at things very differently, I tend not to worry about how you live, but live to the fullest that you can, because the carpet can be pulled from under your feet no matter what you do or don't do... I know this for fact, I nearly died, and I live with a level of disability that means that life is not easy, but I intend to live it.
@Ice_Wallow_Come... trust me I'm more of an expense in order to stay alive than most, I will never walk again for one... and I stand a chance of dying still, a real chance, however like I said life is for living, I'd rather say I watched a sunrise with my son, than say I worry about a celebrity couple or splatter up an opinion regarding someones weight, (Either way). None of those two will change anything, or leave a happy memory for anyone. little over 10 years older than you I was dying through no fault of mine. Things change.
Let the body positivity flourish and we will have all these body positivity fatty activists dead in the next 30 years or so and we no longer need to discuss something so obvious. Naturally i think it is ridiculous and needs to stopped. So many stupid things trending these days
Flat earthers
Anti vaxxers
Body positivity stuff
Vegan/gluten/god knows what free diets
It almost feels like we are heading backwards in evolution.
You might be onto something there lol personally I'm an advocate of a vegan diet, but everything else you mentioned yeah we are going backwards
We ARE heading backwards
The fat movement needs to be stopped, they are encouraging unhealthy lives. Yes, it is your life but if you decide to encourage others to be fat then that is wrong.
If I decide to smoke cigarettes, then start a pro smoking movement, I'm pretty sure you will find that as wrong. That is exactly what the fat movement is doing, promoting unhealthy lives.
I agree, what do you do for your arms?
•Dumbell bicep curls
•Wide-grip standing barbell curls
•Machine bicep curls
2x a week?
No, I do full body workouts 5-6 times a week.
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I agree that those who are overweight by BMI definition should try to lose those excess weight.
But the whole so-called fat movement is not about fat acceptance or encouraging people to get fat I believe. It is rather to fight fat shaming, to improve their mental health and help to build their self esteem.
I need to stress that it does not mean they should stay overweight. We are all work-in-progress, so are our bodies. These "obese" people should be allowed to feel confortable with their current body and at the same time encouraged to lead a healthier lifestyle by eating heathy and exercising. Don't shame them, praise them when you notice they are making some improvement with their weight loss.
@Oram52 check this question out then incase if you misses it Thoughts on Victoria Secrets first 'plus sized' model? ↗
Barbara Palvin is a normal thin model.
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I prefer girls more slimmer than Barbara Palvin, but you also need to consider Fashion Industry is selling "sex appeal" so they will be including more attractive figures. Barbara does have attractive figure and many guys like more curvier bodies. Suppose I can agree with you more figures like Barbara could be included but Ashley Graham is fat and that's what many are advocating for. Fashion Industry has specific image to sell hence inclusion of more "fit and slender" than curvy. Same way male models have six pack.
Body positivity as you mentioned in your answer. Fat acceptance is wanting obesity to be normal integral part of society that we should accept it as norm, and others should be "inclusive" of them regardless. Good example being wanting to include overweight models in the guise of "plus-size".
We have to learn how to separate the person from the behavior. We love the person. But we can still dislike the fact that they overeat, or abuse people, or rob banks, or commit sodomy, or drive drunk, or murder others.
I don't think it's ridiculous. I think that part of the reason it's important to be accepting is so that people who are fatter don't have to always feel ashamed or looked down upon in day-to-day life. I'm sure some people who deal with this might be interested in loosing some weight especially if they notice that it's causing health problems but if there's an expectation in society put on them to always be working to get down to an ideal size then that creates an unhealthy mental state for anyone to be in. So accepting people at their current size/weight is important for society so that people understand that everyone has their own journey and struggles in life and important for the individual dealing with it so they can go through life feeling more confident in general and what they look like isn't going to hold them back from doing what they would like. They should still be able to feel beautiful, confident, and in control of their life (regardless of gender) and being judged can get in the way of that.
Plus, soft curves and chubby women are fun and sexy to hold and cuddle. ^_^
How can you love your body but not take care of it? Do women not know that a heart attack is the #1 cause of death in women? All that weight puts them at risk for an early departure. But some seem to like being heavy. On the TV Show Botched there was a girl who's ass was so big she could sell shade in the desert. She had been over eating to get fat reserves which was lipo-suctioned out and injected into her already huge ass. She likes standing on street corners shaking her ass. Like What? Mean while everyone was looking on with disgust wondering if this person was in her right mind. So yes, some people have medical conditions, or even disabilities which keeps them from getting exercise but I don't see the celebration at being obese. There is always weight loss surgery if someone wants to lose weight bad enough.
Yesss! Like wtf there’s a difference between being fat and morbidly obese to the point where your fat starts to grow in a deformed way.
I’m sorry but those arms looked deformed.
Even if the looks factor is removed, I’m certain nobody that big can walk up a hill or walk a flight of stairs without getting out of breath, and that to me means they’re unhealthy - which should not be prompted. The same way anorexic models shouldn’t be promoted.
It’s crazy how the media always go for the extreme; the model is either anorexic or morbidly obese, nothing in between.
Some people take a good concept and made it ridiculous, but, as a whole, the idea of just accepting your body and not partaking in physical self-depreciation is inherently not negative. You can love yourself, accept your current body and still acknowledge the need to change for health.
I'd also like to point out people love to attack fat people for being unhealthy, but as issues such as underage vaping and pot edible consumption threatens our children and teens in North America, people have more opinions on people's bodies than issues these issues.
Curious, but it's all about HEALTH... right?
Yes it's dangerous, people should not be encouraged to stay this way the dangers of obesity are huge. I understand not screaming at fat people in the street but if they're your friend/family you should encourage them to lose the weight and it should NOT be promoted.
I have mixed feelings with this. I think the movement isn't all about accepting obesity but more about accepting the person for who they are. I agree it is unhealthy to portray that obesity is beautiful. The woman is beautiful, but not obesity. I think we should just maybe display women of all different sizes, race, sexuality, professions, etc and make it less about accepting obesity and more about accepting each other and that we all have struggles. Maybe that movement would help the women overcome their struggles more than just saying, well losing weight is hard, let's just accept we have all this fat and love it. If you can't beat them, join them
I'm fat but I don't love myself or act like I'm proud of myself. I always try to hide myself away from the world and look for ways to die sometimes. I don't defend the ridiculous idea of accepting your big fat unhealthy and ugly body. I wish I wasn't fat. My life is ruined because of it. I can't have a boyfriend, my mental health is broken. But then it's not a choice, at some point something happens in your life and body gets out of control. My hormonal imbalances and severe depression triggered my weight gain from the start. I could've had a great body, cause my body naturally has a great shape. But it's all gone to shit. I try to exercise and diet but it's so difficult because I have no motivation or will. It's a disgusting cycle of self-destruction... Even if I did lose all the weight there's things that can't be fixed, like excess/saggy skin and stretch marks and all that. pfff..
I understand the loss of will and motivation with depression, even getting out of bed can be incredibly difficult, I've struggled with mental health problems myself, i got therapy and the first thing recomended to me was exercise, which in turn helped my sleep, which helped my mood, which helped my eating habits, it may not work for you, but if you want some help with dieting, or anything like that, I'd be more than happy to help
Please see a therapist for your mental state and never think that you can't be happy and enjoy your life just because you are fat. Keep up the healthy eating and exercising, slow progress or little progress is still better than no progress. Tell yourself that you are still a valuable human being and no one cares that you are fat as much as you are doing right now, and you shouldn't do it either.
Of course, lose that weight, but being depressed and losing motivation will only hamper any good progress that you could be making. Dare not starve yourself either. See a doctor or some kind of professional to get the right kind of diet and exercise routine for yourself. Stressing or depressing over it won't help you.
You only get saggy skin if you lose weight fast, like with a gastric bypass. If you lose weight slowly you won't have any saggy skin. In this case a lap band would work better. Anyone can check out ObesityHelp. com for information on weight loss surgery including their forums.
In our gym there was a woman who was making good progress with weight loss but she got some loose skin and that made her very demotivated. Our gym trainer says that she used to be obese before, which explains why she has a good amount of loose skin on her body too.
Watch obese2beast on YouTube he lost a load of weight, and keeps his excess skin to remind him of the struggle he went through, he has a cool outlook on it
But you can have excess skin removed through surgical means.
@EclipseoftheHeart that means a disgusting scar and loss of sensation around your most intimate parts.. that's like losing a body part it's tragic really.
Well and what do you have if you are incapacitated by diabetes or a heart attack?
Yes its a bit ridiculous , it could give people a reason to remain over weight. If you a fluffy person and you like it each to their own. However wights can be involuntary, were some people are just unable to lost wait due to genes, metabolism , depression and anxiety. The acceptance of over wights people would be idel to pravent bias at work, schools social event and so on. And being bias is a tight thing to pravent. Its built in every person. I believe should accept fat as a trinid for to remain over weight is a no for both men and women. And they shouldn't be judged , more like supported for better health.
Just as extra , if you look like the girl in the photo , its not attractive. If you're a little extra that's okay but like her nope. Its bot healthy.
Yes, because it doesn't end at being kind and pleasant. Truth be told, I don't really care who is and isn't fat. Unless they ask what I think about it, which is rare, I wouldn't even say anything.
The problem is that, apparently, I'm a misogynist if I'm not attracted to a woman who has wrapped herself in an electric blanket of seal blubber. I'm a misogynist if I point out, rationally and truthfully, that being morbidly obese is incredibly dangerous to any mammal's health.
It's just one more stupid thing to add to the identity politics list.
It’s their lives but They don’t have to complain because they don’t receive some privileges. Ashley Graham is an a oversized model and she is made because Victoria’s Secret rejected her. I will find that unfair that she would be on the same runway as Candice swanepoel and Miranda Kerr while these girls truly work a way harder than her, to achieve a dreamy body but she have to be praised because of fat acceptance
I had a friend who weighed over 260 pounds. I didn't care at all. I thought she was a pleasant person to be around. Then I discovered she was using her parents minimum wage pay cheque to buy concert tickets to see drake and ate at Taco Bell and Burger Bars when her doctor said she is on the verge of becoming diabetic from obesity. I no longer talk to her. She is a selfish glutton.
Yes. Being fat is bad, period. It's bad to mock them and they deserve respect, but this whole thing about "it's your body, love it" it's just wrong. I wonder if someone really loves diabetes and clogged arteries.
Fat acceptance = weakness of mind, not wanting to get out of your comfort zone , people should lower there standards to my level that way I don't have to put hard work into losing weight.
The fat acceptance thing is just another branch of leftism. "My feelings are more important than your facts. My feelings are everything and I demand that you accept me for the 400 lb behemoth that I am"
Let them stay fat of they wish. Let them feel good about all that excess fat. But do not be surprised with all the medical issues that come with obesity - which the fat acceptance movement never seems to address. High blood pressure , strokes , heart attacks , type I diabetes , several forms of cancer , arthritis , gastrointestinal issues , sleep apnea, limited mobility , fatigue.
But hey it's all good. Feelings come before everything.
Being fat is none of my business... It's not my body nor my place to make people feel bad... When obesity starts affecting their health and quality of life I'll encourage them to get healthier.. In response that usually makes them lose weight anyway.🤷♀️
Yes, it's completely idiotic. We shouldn't be promoting early-life heart disease and obesity, we should promote being a healthy weight with a healthy body, that is what beauty is.
I am fat by BMI medical terms whatever even considered obese and I f. hate how body positive unhealthy stuff is. Like yeah sure IRS okay to love yourself but dont try to embellish obesitity as beauty and okay. Its unhealthy af, and needs to calm the f down.
yes. we shouldn't accepting for being fat. yeah you are a human being and your live is worth as much as every other human beings life and taking this personal is idiotic but if you're fat, you're unhealthy. you're harming your body and you should probably do your best to stop doing that.
Yes, it's ridiculous. Being overweight is unhealthy, and fundamentally unnatural. We're not meant as humans to be fat. And not wishing for society to be coerced into celebrating obesity, is not the same as condoning bullying overweight people. An erroneous conclusion many people strangely makes.
How do you love your body when you are eating all unhealthy and getting fat over limits?
Its worse!
Yeah, it's quite dangerous and it should not be praised in our society, people should be encouraged to live healthily, it's not fair on the tax payers, those who use public transport, people working in the healthcare, where it is already extremely understaffed and worst of all children
I do think a person is much more than his/her weight, and that we should focus on more important things. However, to praise and say only your way is good (like being fat, or being skinny, or being homosexual, or being heterosexual) is what it is wrong.
I don't believe individuals, who are husky and overweight, should be bullied, but if someone is fat and overweight for unhealthy reasons then I'm not supportive of that
The pic that’s on here is of tess munster. She claims to be a “curvy model”. I don’t support that at all. I do support people choosing to be fat and accepting the risks, just don’t preach about it.
im not sure about ridiculous? you shouldn't ridicule people based on things they struggle with. but yeah its not healthy
I'm taking about promoting unhealthy eating habits not ridiculing people
It's not just ridiculous, it's malevolent. It's manipulaton of the disadvantaged whether they suffer from obesity, homosexuality or some other ill. These people will tell them exactly what they want to hear in an attempt to fill them with rage and hate for society for all the hurt they have suffered. Never mind that they have also done everything they can to block any real medical research that could have helped them.
are they affecting you in anyway, shape, or form? are you paying for their food, or anything else? are you contributing to their lifestyle? if no, then it is not your business.
The movement is affecting society which I am a part of, so yes, I guess it is my business
what movement? a bowel movement? your 18-24, how is it affecting you PERSONALLY? Do these people come into your house and say "Feed me" do you see them on the street and say "feed me"...
Honestly are you a troll? If not I'll explain it to you
Honestly, I've never heard a body acceptance advocate encourage someone to eat unhealthy or reject exercise. It's just about learning to love yourself the way you are. Is it healthy to be fat? No, but skinny does not equal healthy either.
Its not about promoting unhealthy habits, it's about promoting love for oneself. And it's not easy for everyone to lose weight. Some people have medical conditions that makes it hard for them to maintain a healthy weight.
@Oram52 What's the difference?
If they are genuinely healthy and happy, feel good I don't see why anyone should tell them to change. there are lots of people who find them attractive and sexy, it you are not one of them there are plenty of slim people you could choose from
I think you've missed the point, this is not about what I or anyone finds attractive
I think you are the one who missed the point. I said if they're healthy happy and feel good. read again. I added attraction at the end because most people who do the fat shaming are the ones who think fat is unattractive.
Again you've missed the point
It shouldn't be about the fat/thin thing. It should be about being who you are and not trying to be something else. Could you picture this woman being a size 0 model? No?
Could you picture her killing herself to fit that unrealistic objective?
She wouldn't have been the first.
I think there is a big difference between respecting someone as a fellow human being, and accepting obesity... You can be kind and polite and respectful to everyone, and should, but just because someone has basic decency doesn't mean they're encouraging an unhealthy weight. I think people think too much in black and white. Life doesn't work that way. Just don't be an asshole... What other people do with their lives is their business.
It's a good thing, but like everything some people take it too far.
Oh yes! I absolutely HATE fat people, especially fat women. They have no self-discipline or self-respect. They just eat junk food and sit on that ever expanding ass in front of TV, internet, video games, etc.
Plus, many of these adipose wildebeests have grown to have quite an malicious attitude problem. They're obviously people with lots of problems and they binge eat and watch entertainment to make themselves feel better.
How about lay off the fast food and get your ass in the gym?
You know, it's really all just about showing respect.
My take on it, is that it is great to accept yourself, for who you are, but to accept yourself, only to spite the opposite sex, in making the presumption that ALL guys are turned off by overweight women, then that's where it gets ridiculous... Seriously.
It's stupid, fat acceptance is unhealthy because you're obviously more likely to die earlier when you're overweight. I think everyone should strive to be the best versions of themselves instead.
yes
I accept obesity as their choice, but forcing people into the mindset that being fat is beautiful and very obese people are in the same way attractive than normal ones, is similar offensive than fat shaming and bullying of obese people.
Very much so.
Fat acceptance should be about accepting that you have a problem and working to get healthier. I mean, it's their body and they can do whatever they want but praising and glorifying obesity should not be tolerated.
I'm all for promoting self love but these people started using it as an excuse to be lazy and fat
If you love your body, you should treat it right. The whole body positivity thing is praising something that is unhealthy. I'm not saying that people should be fat-shaming either. It's ridiculous that people think it's okay to be unhealthy. Improving your body is helping you more than anyone else, and it's saving you from an early death.
I dont understand how anyone can love themselves and be fat. Or love their bodies and be 300 pounds.
Yep.
I understand that fetishes do exist, so that may be valid… but encouraging self-ruinous behavior, lifestyles, mindsets, etc. is ultimately detrimental, both to the individual human-life affected & to society.
Short answer. Yes. Being overweight is never healthy so I don’t understand why all of a sudden it should be seen as a “good” thing. I also think that most of those who post stuff like “all bodies are beautiful” don’t really think that and in majority it’s usually fit/slim people that say so.
There's a difference between not bullying people, which I am 100% for - and telling them being fat is healthy, which is utterly false. Being overweight or obese significantly increases risk of disease and early death.
I was never one to encourage people to lose or gain weight, but to flaunt something that could potentially kill you (like they do within the fat acceptance movement) is super cringey and is one of many trends that loses my faith in society
I think it should be criminal actually. We dont allow people to publicly encourage violence, so we shouldn't allow them to publicly encourage a slow suicide either.
Yes, i find it kinda wrong. Tbh, i think this "fat acceptence" can become an excuse for some people to stay obese and don't rake care of your body. It should be used as an encouragement to create the best version of yourself; not to limit your happiness.
How many more times, It is not fat acceptance.. it is allowing someone feel ok with themselves. Fat shaming actually causes more harm than good. Depression through bullying causes more issues.. in short fat shaming is bullying. What are you teaching the kids?
There are bound to be different perspectives on the matter. In addition, there will be extenuating circumstances affecting a person's health and ability to care for themselves in specific situations. That said, this notion of "Body Acceptance" is often used to justify laziness and a lack of effort in making responsible lifestyle choices.
I don't see it as "Fat Acceptance". I see it as "Promoting obesity". They are saying that it's good to be fat and ugly and unhealthy. Just another stupid movement created by feminists.
I love fat acceptance. I hope everyone believes that being fat has nothing to do with health and health comes in all shapes and sizes. Only then we'll be able to see normal people again after 30 years minimum.
People who are obese now will be lucky to live another 30 years if they don't change
Oh I get you, yeah haha
u Everyone gets a participation ribbon and there are no first, second, or third place ribbons because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings!
Common sense denotes it should be neither encouraged nor shamed. Simply acknowledged, accepted and supported to improve. Hopefully through that people will move out of the denial and work towards something more positive.
Ever read the childhood story about the wind and sun having a competition about who could make the mountain climbers cape come off of his back? Well the sun won and the moral of the story was that gentle persuasion over anything forceful tends to succeed.
I don't accept or encourage obesity and unhealthy habits, but I'm not going to be an asshole about it to them either. What I would do instead is gently encourage them to lose weight.
Im tall and thin and like fat chicks... a female friend is short and thin but likes her guy chubby...
Nobody should mind things which are not their business...
people can do what they want, just don't try to force your choice down ppl's throats.
Absolutely ridiculous. Being that fat is also unhealthy. You're fat and u like it, ok... But don't talk about it like it is a good thing.
No, it's ridiculous not to accept fat people, especially since we as a nation are causing fatness via our food culture.
You certainly don´t love your body if you stuff it with unhealthy foods and allow it to gain too much weight.
Obesity is an unattractive and unhealthy lifestyle. It should not be encouraged, in any way. Promoting fat acceptance is promoting disease, early death, and laziness.
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