Girl's Behavior 
Guy's Behavior 
Flirting 
Dating 
Relationships 
Fashion & Beauty 
Health & Fitness 
Marriage & Weddings 
Shopping & Gifts 
Technology & Internet 
Break Up & Divorce 
Education & Career 
Entertainment & Arts 
Family & Friends 
Food & Beverage 
Hobbies & Leisure 
Other 
Religion & Spirituality 
Society & Politics 
Sports 
Travel 
Trending & News 
Why is childfree ideology so popular nowadays? (Page 2)
Anonymous
(25-29) 
Click "Show More" for your mentions
Most Helpful Opinion(mho) Rate.
Learn more
Learn more
We're glad to see you liked this post.
You can also add your opinion below!
What Girls & Guys Said
Opinion
45Opinion
To be childfree is cheaper and less stressful. Our species will not die out from it. I am thrilled delighted and honoured to be a mother. It's not for everyone. Especially the guys. Anyhow. Don't be bullied into it. I would love grandchildren. I won't get any. I honour my daughter's decision.
If only more people agreed and is open to that "It's not for everyone and that it's understandable". The way I see it, one better be damn certain they are fully up for it and follow through with all of the possible outcomes and all of the risks involved, any and all good AND bad things that could happen over the course of someone's lifetime once they are brought into existence to this world. It's not something someone can decide to all of sudden call it quits afterwards, can't go back in time to rewind, reset, and undo, once the decision and action is done and made it becomes part of reality. It's no easy, simply, or comfy task. Bad and terrible things can happen completely unexpectedly and that's just the reality of it, the risks that come with the territory. Loss of a person, a child is simply irreplaceable. The only thing one can really do is invest in a life insurance plan policy of some kind just in case, should anything every go really bad and wrong.
Lack of responsibility. Liberty is more important, people want want and want, rather than give.
Some people say that, "there are too many people already".
In Europe our population is close to decreasing, so it should be a moral obligation to keep it up, for future generations.
Europe is weak, if it doesn't have anyone to take up arms after we're gone.
Some people just don't care about heritage, simple as that.
Nobody can not control what other people feel, think, act, believe, care about or not care about, etc.
Of course not, but it's still a shame.
You can't control what they want either because not everybody wants exactly the same things. All simply because not everyone sees things exactly the same way. That's why you have those that see a glass half full and the other see it half empty and some don't think or believe there even is a glass there at all.
It still seems that people are being paranoid and worried all for nothing. What would happen if the entire world had a complete demographic collapse? Assuming if that ever did happen. Because that seems to be like everybody's being paranoid and worried about. Believing falsely that if some of us choose to not reproduce and procreate will eventually lead to all of us to call it quits on reproduction and procreation completely and altogether. I mean c'mon, are they serious?
The people that are having kids are still having plenty of them. More often than not they are having more than just one kid. The number of people that ARE having kids and DO WANT kids had always and probably always would continue to exceed those that ARE NOT having kids and DO NOT WANT any kids.
We're not all going to die out any time soon. Maybe if this whole childfree thing continued and increased exponentially, well it probably will if things become so unstable and bad enough and people just don't want to or feel like try anymore then maybe that's just what's going to happen. So few people are having kids and things just come crumbling down eventually. But right now, we aren't running out of people any time soon. There's more than 7 billion people in the world the last I've recalled. And there's more than enough existential risks that would wipe us all out merely than just a small percentage of people opting out of reproduction.
Yeah and look at all the problems that Indians, Africans and the Chinese are running into as a result of their population.
Less people in this world would solve most, if not all of humanity's problems.
I don't want children and neither does my girlfriend
"Less people in this world would solve most, if not all of humanity's problems."
It would reduce the odds of nations fighting and warring over resources once those limited resources are heavily strained and drained. The resources won't be drained exponentially and as rapidly when there are less people.
Less people born would mean less people have to experience pain, suffering and then also have to die like how we all have to now since we all exist. Less people born would result in less people having to die eventually.
Exactly!
@Cammy137 But the problem I think is that the majority of the world have an Anti-Pessimism Anti-Pessimistic or even Anti-Realistic or Unrealistic bias and favors toward an Optimism Bias. If all things collapsed, crumbled and the whole world suffered a great cataclysm with so many people dead, I bet those that have that Optimism Bias and are Unrealistic would only then get a rude wake up call. They always want something to believe in and hope for, but I find that to be a false sense of security and only setting themselves up for nothing but disappointments and miseries. Those of us that are entirely Cynical already have the mind set that there really isn't any more to hope for and and whatever we hope for, anything "good" that we hope for is just falsely in our heads, wishful thinking, etc. And it's like "TOLD YOU SO BUT YOU BUT IT ALL FELL ON DEAF EARS."
I see no problem. Whether people do or don't want children should be up to them, and neither of both options deserves to be shamed or hyped, if you ask me.
Because feminism is robbing women of their natural biological desire to have children during their most prime years. Once women wake up its they are in their mid-30’s and their pregnancy is considered high risk and the odds of birth defects goes up significantly.
What about all the children in adoption centers?
I'm pretty sure some of them would love to have a home.
Personally, I don’t want children. They’re extremely expensive, loud, messy, and I don’t think I would make a very good mother.
I can't think of any single reason to have them. But I have plenty of reasons why getting sterilized is a great idea.
Give me these reasons.
1. Pregnancy. I'm sure you don't know what things it can cause and how it can destroy a body.
2. Money. I don't think the explanation is needed. I love luxury.
3. Time. I would rather to spend it doing anything else, like travelling
4. This is the most important point for me. I would love to have the strongest possible romantic bond with a man. He will be the most loved person by me. I would rather spend time having sex with him, or talking with him, or do anything together with him than with kids. People with kids say that they love both their partner and their kids equally, just in a different way. I don't want to be loved equally to nobody. I wanna be number 1 without a single doubt
Can you give non-materialistic reasons?
Pregnancy, time, and bond with a husband aren't materialistic things.
True.
So you must have read it wrong the first time if you asked that question
yeah. sooo many replies.
And your own children can die before you do, and might turn out to be completely disappointments.
@JudgmentDay Those are your reasons, not really mine
I absolutely want children. I could care less about material things.
let's have 3
No thanks
In most European countries birth rates have actually been on rise for a couple years now. Especially here in Germany people are settling at younger ages again and getting kids sooner.
Actual Germans or neo-Germans?
That's not documented. But they started seriously rising in 2014 while the refugee crisis only started in 2015
Oh interesting.
Well that should prove and explain that people are just merely paranoid about things like "depopulation". Paranoid and think that just because some people choose to not have kids and don't want kids would result in everybody eventually not having kids. They must be overly worried and concerned that their future descendants would eventually decide to not have and not want any kids or something, and even then, they just don't get that it's something no one else has control over, somebody either wants children or they just don't, it's really simple as that.
@JudgmentDay You should REALLY look into evolutionary psychology because you are extremely disconnected from the natural world, and dont say you walk in nature a lot... The mechanics of nature are the way they are my dude. You need to look beyond the material.
@Asker You're wasting your time if you believe that everyone has to reproduce or try to convince everyone to. I'm anti-natalist myself. I once asked myself would I feel more miserable and unhappy if I had kids of my own and either A. They turned out to be nothing but disappointments and failures or B. Something horrible, tragic and unexpected happens to them and I am completely powerless to do anything about it.
Or would I feel more miserable and unhappy for never being someone's father and parent and never experiencing what it's like to be someone's father ir parent.
I decided the former would make me more miserable and unhappy, because it would create additional room for even more unhappines and miseries not only for myself but the people that I otherwise would have created and brought into existence.
Loss of a child is the worst possible experience one would have to go through and it's just simply because they are IRREPLACEABLE.
@JudgmentDay "has" nobody has to reproduce dude, never said so, never implied this. You can go on as many unhappiness charades as you want my dude.
Yeah, but then women start to feel that nagging desire to have kids when they're in their 30s, when it's likely too late to find a good, committed man, so they find "alternate sources" of sperm. And poof, another fatherless child is brought into the world to face the shitty realities of being raised without a good father. Nice.
Because not having kids is the single best thing you can do for both yourself and the entire world. It is literally the epitome of a humanitarian act.
Its really sick to think that way.
Why exactly is that thinking "sick"? I don't hate children, but having them is a sacrifice.
Having no children is best for you because it maximizes your success, your wealth, your free time, and the list goes on.
Having no children is best for the world because that is one less person expending the earth's natural resources, one less person starving (because the food a child would've eaten could instead be eaten by someone who is already alive), one less person thirsty, one less person homeless, and again, the list goes on.
If you're going to have children, adopt. Philosophically speaking, anyone who brings another child into the world instead of adopting is by definition, literally evil. If you're already willing to expend your resources on a child, do so on a child that is already alive. If not, you are literally perpetuating another child's suffering for the sake of having one with the same blood type and pigment in their hair as you.
@ShortCircuit Are you an Anti-natalist too? You sure sounded like one to me.
@JudgmentDay Well I don't think giving birth is inherently bad. But given the current circumstances, adopting a child who has already been born is more morally virtuous than giving birth to a new child.
Indeed. The fact that you said it's "the epitome of a humanitarian act." Being an anti-natalist I find that the bad and horrible things in this world outweighs most if not all of the good things, there simply is no justification that a new person has to be born and added into this world just so they can also become exposed to harm and suffering and then have to die eventually just like the rest of us here will too?
It's also a lack of consent issue, they obviously can't and didn't willingly signed up to become involved with this world and never willingly volunteered to come here into this world, adoption is "more morally virtuous" indeed, because one isn't imposing an existence upon someone else new, but rather taking care of somebody else that is ALREADY IN EXISTENCE and NEEDS to be taken care of, and thus there are no lack of consent issues there.
@JudgmentDay That's where you lost me. No, I suppose I'm not an anti-natalist. I don't believe that the cons outweigh the pros. If you believe such a thing, then the logical conclusion is that life is not worth living even if you're already here and fully consented to it.
I also don't think conceiving someone is a violation of their individual liberties, because they are not yet an individual.
I only meant that giving birth to a new child *as opposed to* adopting a new child is morally wrong in the sense that it is a wasted opportunity to cease existing human suffering.
*adopting a child*
removed: "new"
"logical conclusion is that life is not worth living even if you're already here and fully consented to it."
More like that new life is not worth creating to be put at risk and exposed to harm and suffering. Thus by not creating and adding new life, then that supposed new life is spared from all and any of the suffering and harm it otherwise would be exposed to.
Kind of like how this chart:
shaunmiller.files.wordpress.com/.../...-values.png
"I only meant that giving birth to a new child *as opposed to* adopting a new child is morally wrong in the sense that it is a wasted opportunity to cease existing human suffering."
I see. I get what you mean that those kids that are placed in adoption centers and/or orphanages are already suffering and could use support and help that they are lacking, that's what you meant by "opportunity".
@JudgmentDay Yes, precisely. I wouldn't compel someone who didn't want kids to adopt a kid, but someone who wants a kid has the *opportunity* to support an orphan, but wastes it if they conceive a new child instead.
Also, I believe that graph (and thus, your ideology) is flawed, because I would consider the absence of pleasure equally bad as the presence of pain. I would sooner stub my toe and then eat ice cream than be unconscious for an equal amount of time.
It came from David Benatar's book. But the absent of pleasure part strictly applies to as if that someone that does not exist and is NOT currently in existence for it to not be a "bad" thing, simply because you can not deprive someone that isn't born of those "pleasurable" things as they didn't exist and is not conceived at all.
If somebody is already in existence, then "absent of pleasure" would thus mean they ARE being deprived of those things.
@JudgmentDay By that logic, a person who doesn't exist cannot be deprived of pain either. Thus both the absence of pain and the absence of pleasure are neutral.
But I don't believe that either. At the very least, a pleasure and a pain of equal duration and intensity are also equal in magnitude (pleasures being in the positive direction and pains in the negative direction). However, I'd even venture to say that for any pleasure and pain equal in duration and intensity, the pleasure has twice the magnitude of the pain.
That would explain my preference for experiencing a pleasure and a pain equal in duration and intensity than no pleasure nor pain at all.
It should be neutral, you're right.
I once asked myself would I feel more miserable and unhappy if I had kids of my own and either
A. They turned out to be nothing but disappointments and failures? or
B. Something horrible, tragic and unexpected happens to them and I am completely powerless to do anything about it?
Or would I feel more miserable and unhappy for never being someone's father and parent and never experiencing what it's like to be someone's father or parent?
I weighed the two and ultimately decided the former would make me more miserable and unhappy, because it would create additional room for even more unhappines and miseries not only for myself but the people that I otherwise would have created and brought into existence. More people added meant mire possibilities of miseries and unhappiness.
The loss of a child is the worst possible experience one would have to go through and it's just simply because they are IRREPLACEABLE.
I think it's referring to unprotected sex in general being a baby trap. The baby trap is the act of sex without contraceptives, as opposed to a woman who is trapping a man.
Maybe you're right, they are referring to people that tend to fuck around, hook up frequently and sleep around frequently. They are the ones that are at the hugest risks of unplanned for or "accidental" pregnancies.
Well you better be childfree if you think high heels and video games are more important than your kid... and you don't actually need to stop gaming or wearing high heels to have a child... these heathen bastards are always trying to change how marriage is
well i'm Asian and don't plan to have kids. i know plenty other Asians where i live that think the same. so yeah, we Asians do think about that too.
Because we're getting smarter. We've realized that there's more to life than just having kids. We've realized how selfish it is to bring people into this messed up world just so they can have our blood, or to see how they'd look like. Etc...
NO LOL
because you are all getting dumber
I agree with you👏🏻
@inmensus It really don't matter whether we have them or not anymore. It's just those that miserable that they had kids and regret their choice and decision in life because they can not rewind and unmake the choice they currently regret making. In most cases I think those that had kids for the wrong reasons such as all for the sake of conformity and social pressures and it could alsi be because how poorly they planned for becoming somebody's parents or is completely unprepared at all, and that they had completely unrealistic expectations of how things are going to turn out for themselves and their children, thus they try and insult and spread their anger and hatred towards those that realized how having children is not something to take lightly and that it may not be in the best interst for the person one would otherwise bring into existence. They're all mad and frustrated without a doubt. But, I'd have to say, just let them vent their frustrations.
@JudgmentDay
no what you said is stupid
the human race has been programmed to think having babies is a bad thing
like retards
because the higher ups are satanist
and that's the agenda they push and the stupid people believe it like you
and it's all because of GOD and the seed war of Genesis 3
that's what are. disease, abortion, etc is all about
the seed war killing the human race off
cause satan is a scared bitch
@dannyrose Who gives a shit about whether people reproduce or not? Why the fuck you care? You don't control what others do or want anyway. You want kids? Have as many as like then! I don't give a fuck.
@JudgmentDay
sorry bro
YOU DON;T MAKE THE RULES YOU DUMB FUCK
end of story
what ever fucking rules you have in your head are gone worthless
only thing that matters is what GOD says
so get your dumb ass some knowledge
and follow GOD or go to hell pick one
you will die eventually no matter what
@dannyrose You can't make other believe what you believe either. You're deluded to think that there is a god that gives a shit about you and anybody else. Because when rescue does not come or arrive, you set yourself up for disappointments. I personally don't give a fuck and the more people don't want and don't have kids there would be less people dying altogether. Just for the record, more people are starting to abandon religions and superstitious beliefs since things are being modernized and explained through science. Oh I know long time ago we're all gonna die alright, I also recogize that ever new birth equals ever new eventual death. No additional births would meant no additional deaths. I don't give a fuck what you believe anyway. If you have kids, you have kids to lose, they can die before you do, and aren't something you can simply replace, so keep that in mind.
@JudgmentDay
ok explain this lol good luck
atheist have so much blind faith, it's insane how religious you are lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcp3BFBYw4&t=45s
the fool has said in his heart there is no GOD
ourwayisthehighway.files.wordpress.com/.../flat-earth8-wide.jpg
@dannyrose Even "if" there ever were any 'gods", we certainly don't matter to them and is of no "importance" or have any actual "value" to them. Clearly we're completely and utterly expendable. You can die any time in the future, you think you "matter" at all or thibk you're "special'. And it can happen to everybody, regardless of how much faith anyone ever has or had they are still left to suffer a horrible fate for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, thus no one is spared. And if so, we're all merely just expendable pawns on a grand chessboard, with no more "value", or "importance" other than to become SACRIFICED at any time completely unexpectedly. But that's also why I just simply don't give a shit, although I do feel bad for those that are devour and faithful and had to suffer a horrible fate all simply for being at the wrong place at the wrong time, because their expected and much hoped for "salvation" and "rescue" simply did not happen at all.
*devout*
So, if you somehow on the day that you die, you are suffering a horrible, very slow and extremely painful death, and that "rescue" or "salvation" you had expected and hoped for just DOES NOT come around and your prayers aren't answered, then don't be surprised about it and become disappointed about it.
I figured that I'd save somebody else from all possibilities of disappointments by never creating them and bringing them at all into existence in the first place. They can't suffer and can't die if they had never been born at all, simply because there was never an actual "they".
@JudgmentDay
I can't wait to die and go home
this place is very ugh
but I got a job to do
so guess what gotta deal with all the bull crap of this place
@dannyrose Gotta wait your turn bro. Don't cut in line like others had, *cough* suicide *cough* and besides it's much worse when cutting in line didn't go exactly like they thought it would or had planned. We all gonna get our turn to exit this world eventually since we're all entirely expendable and acceptable losses one way or another anyway. Just be patient, we'll all get our turn and it will all be over eventually.
It's an easier life financially. Less struggles and worries. The world would benefit from less people popping out little bastards
Less people born would meant less people will eventually have to die also.
Well, Asians and Africans have way to many children. I don't plan to make more than 2. A child is a big responsability. You need to have the resources and patience to raise one...
Lmao! China's history of enforcing a one-child policy doesn't support this theory
The one child and two child policy of China has resulted in an uncountable number of illegal children being born. The only thing this proves that the one child policy was one of the biggest failures of Chinese history since Mao Zedong.
None of that changes the fact that China placed restrictions on procreation
It's clearly not an idea of the west
If they really wanted to curb the population then they would have come up with something more effective. Even the Chinese know that a policy cannot prevent people from having reproductive instincts.
Maybe that's the whole point with GMO's? Possibly a way to control the food supplies, maybe even vaccines too? Who knows? Maybe eventually our life spans would have to be shortened instead of lengthened, because you can never know what those that really runs the world can do and want. I suppose that those things might be possibilities if they are overly concerned about an exponentially growing reproduction rate vs the the limited and finite amount of resources available on the planet.
Because some people recognize/realize and admit that they don't/won't make good parents. Others are selfish. Either way, it's good because children need good, selfless parents.
Because having children is a life sentence, some people just don't want that. I myself wouldn't mind having kids someday, but I totally get why some people wouldn't want to.
If only more people are understanding and don't judge those that feel, think, and believed differently about this, if only.