What do you think about "open relationships" and who benefits more in this kind of relationship: guys or girls?

[RingOfFire]

[TheorionMage]

Genuinely 'open' relationships DEMAND ALL involved to control/remove the possibility of sexually-transmitted diseases AND responsible genuine contraception.

These reduce physical and emotional 'intimacy' to maximizing mutual physical tactile arousal and pleasuring in the immediate 'present'.

You (plural) engage in mutual tactile exploitation.

[RingOfFire]

OYYYYYY

[OlderAndWiser]

Anyone who gets what they want from a relationship is a winner. But only if they truly know themselves and casual sex is all they want. Too often, people enter non-committed relationships - casual sex, friends with benefits, open relationships - really wanting more but agreeing to less in hopes that the relationship will grow over time. I think this happens to women more than men, so. . . under those circumstances, I think women lose more often and guys get more of the benefit.

[RingOfFire]

Interesting take.

[OlderAndWiser]

Just the observations of an old man, . . . old man!

[RingOfFire]

😉
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[sage2021]

This is so wrong on so many levels.
I am really getting burned out on all these different kinds of relationships. That's their business. I don't give a flying flip about those people. Whatever!

I love being straight and always have. I have never wanted to be any other way but straight - just me and my guy. To me it's the best - no drama all the time, just the two of us enjoying each other 100%! ❤️

[RingOfFire]

In the typical open relationship both the man and the woman are straight. But they each can have sex with other partners as long as they are not hiding it. And typically they won't be threesomes. They will just have dates and sex with other people at different times.

[sage2021]

@RingOfFire

There is nothing typical about those relationships, straight or not.
What the hell is so wrong with just a man and a woman in a relationship?

Those are not typical. Maybe atypical.

[RingOfFire]

There's nothing wrong it's just a man and a woman in a relationship. I'm just explaining to you what the term means.

[RingOfFire]

I think open relationships are ridiculous. A family member of mine had one and used to boast about it. I didn't even want to hear about it but she talked about it anyway. Both both she and her husband could see other people as long as they didn't hide it. I thought it was disgusting but she had a right to do whatever she wants so I never criticized her. They ended up divorced.

[sage2021]

@RingOfFire
They might think they are so cool now but it is committing adultery. God see's their hearts and knows what they do in secret.
If they want to commit adultery and don't have any guilty feelings about it, I guess they will suffer the consequences of their sin when they die.

[RingOfFire]

I love her and I don't wish her any harm. So I don't take pleasure in thinking about that. People make mistakes and maybe now knows that she did. Even God grants forgiveness.

[sage2021]

@RingOfFire
What they are doing it not a mistake. They are doing it deliberately.
God will give forgiveness to people that have said the sinner's prayer and accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior.
God doesn't forgive to people that deliberately sin.
I understand you love her but she's not acting like she wants God's forgiveness.
You have to become saved by God and say the sinner's prayer and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior, turn away from the sin, then ask for forgiveness before you will be forgiven.
That is why Jesus died because we are sinner's and we are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. Once we accept Jesus Christ as our personal savior and believe he died and rose again and is coming back, then you are saved and will receive forgiveness for your sins, but you also need to ask for Him to forgive you.

[Jessikaah91]

I agree, I think they are stupid.. I have a partner and I like it to be just us but he's open to a open relationship I straight out said no

[RingOfFire]

Pfttttttttt... MEN! 🙄

[Jessikaah91]

You have no idea how bad I wanted to kick him in the knee cap for that 😂😂

[RingOfFire]

A little insider information. Would be more effective if you aim higher if you get what I mean. 😃

[Vegasrunner]

@sage2021 No, your simply like most women and you understand that limiting a mams options is the best way to keep sexual leverage.

[Jessikaah91]

Load of shit. Some men are happy with the one, woman aren't collectables, you can't collect us all. You know how many open relationships have failed because one or the other failed to be honest about what they're doing, one might catch feelings for the person they having it off with or they just start sneaking around. Its dangerous for a couple who actually really love and care about one another. My partner being opened to it but because I said no he said okay, I do hate that he's open to it tho but at least he listened to me and isn't gonna fuck others. No one needs multiple people and if for whatever reason such as your relationship is lacking something so you wanna go off and open the relationship up to get that else where it's called communication.

[RingOfFire]

I have to admit I see two sides to this part of the debate.

I think the sexual leverage argument has some weight. I think women do naturally derive much of their power in a relationship by controlling when and how much sex will be involved.

In no way am I saying that's a case for an open relationship. Because in a relationship between a man and a woman each has to make some kind of sacrifice. But I do think @Vegasrunner makes it valid point even if it doesn't change my view that open relationships are not compatible with long-term relationships.

[Jessikaah91]

It's up to the individuals to make it work, obviously if they do a open relationship they're clearly lacking something which should be discussed.

[Vegasrunner]

@Jessikaah91 Ehh, not really. Most guys stick with one woman because they can't do better. I do believe that women shouldn't be open on their end as it will probably end the relationship. Your own relationship proves my point. Women don't need multiple people but men definitely do that way the saying. Women want everything from one man, men want one thing from every woman exsists.

[Vegasrunner]

@RingOfFire Thanks. A lot of this is common sense. It's way easier for a woman to get attention from a man then it is for a man to get sex from multiple women, all women know this, which is way their usually against open relationships, they understand that if the relationship is closed it will take the man longer to find a replacement than vicea versa, if the relationship is open that man can constantly but lines in the water allowing him to more easily replace the woman

[RingOfFire]

There is a basic doctrine in the art of negotiation which says that the party that needs something more than the other has a negotiation disadvantage.

Both men and women want and enjoy sex. But for men it is a much more basic need, like breathing. They have more testosterone and more sex drive. That puts them at a negotiating disadvantage in a relationship because in order to get what they need they have to give up something else.

But that is what a relationship is all about. It's negotiation and compromise. I do not believe that someone could love someone else romantically and also desire to be in an open relationship. For me that simply violates the definition of love so it can't possibly be.

I do know of course that some people who are in open relationships think they are in love. But by my definition they are not.

So I see an open relationship as more of a friendship or a business relationship than a romantic love relationship.

[Jessikaah91]

Well I spoke about this shit literally before my relationship started and told him no other people no cheating or anything like that etc.. he agreed. No going back on his word now 4 years later. Me and my partner are happy together he definitely doesn't need to sleep with other woman and the reason most guys wanna do that is literally because no one knows how to even be faithful and committed anymore. It's quite sad like go be single and sleep with the hell you like then. there is literally no point in doing so when you're in a relationship

[Jessikaah91]

I'm glad one person gets it. Like growing up I always wanted a perfect relationship with some guy who loves me more than anything I had found that we have two kids together yeh we argue but normal relationships do but I wouldn't be able to sit here raising our children believing that he loves me if he's off fucking someone else.. I know a lot of people think "well it's just sex" like my partner says it's that too but also said it's something more with me tho, I don't understand because if sex with me is something more like special how the hell can you do that same "special" shit with someone else, oh but it's only sex.. na. For me I only do it with those I'm in a relationship with and it brings me so much closer to him every time we do it, but definitely talking about being opened made me and our sex life feel as tho it's not good enough. It can definitely put thoughts into our heads. a lot of men don't understand or even care about how a person such as his partner can feel as long as he gets what he gets.

[Vegasrunner]

@RingOfFire You bring a logic perspective w/ sound points. Couple things that stand out, I agree about men's need for sex more however I disagree w/ that being what puts them at the disadvantage. It's the fact that
1. Women know men need sex.
2. The ability for men to get sex is so much more difficult. I explained this to a woman I had a one way open relationship with. If we broke up, she could simply open her phone and have a man at her door in minutes, while I would have to start all over from scratch. That is the #1 reason men end up chasing girls. By opening my end, I never need to do that and it takes away the leverage woman enjoy in relationships. Which is what actially upsets them.

[Vegasrunner]

@Jessikaah91 All anecdotal and irrelevant to the subject matter.

[Jessikaah91]

No because you can't love someone at home and go get it else where. There's no logic in that. And it literally ruins most relationships because one way or another someone isn't honest or catches feelings for the other one. Open relationships are stupid and irrelevant and shouldn't exist.

[Vegasrunner]

@Jessikaah91 Unfortunately for you men lie a lot because they're afraid of the backlash from women. However I promise if you gave that same man status and money and an opportunity to have sex w/ a hot woman he's going to do that, both you and I know this tje difference is I'm willing to admit it.

[Vegasrunner]

@Jessikaah91 Plenty of logic, as long as you understand men and women are different, most women don't understand this. A guy can easily go out and bang a bunch of women abd still love his main girl. You however can't bang another guy and still love your guy.

[RingOfFire]

Reading both perspectives above another point that comes to mind is that I think men are better at separating emotions from sex than women.

So I can easily understand how a woman could not accept that a man loved her if he was having sex with other women. Because in her mind that doesn't compute. Sex and love have to go together.

I have never asked a woman if it was okay if I had sex with other women. Because if I loved her I would know that even asking her that question would be painful for her and I would not want to cause her that pain. In addition, in my relationships I have not had the desire to have sex with other women. Okay I am a man, so maybe in my imagination I did. But I would never violate the relationship that way.

And if she thought it was okay for me to have sex with other women that would make me feel very bad.

So the open relationship thing is something I cannot relate to. But as I feel about all relationships, any kind of relationship between consenting adults is okay by me. That's their business.

My personal belief and feeling is that there is nothing more satisfying than knowing there is only one person on the entire Earth who you desire to be with in such an intimate way and knowing that they feel the same way about you. It is not difficult for me to sacrifice my lust for that.

[kylee2437]

Definitely not for me. Neither person really benefits because they are still missing loyalty fundamentals and I think loyalty in a relationship is important on top of the fact that feeling enough for your partner is also be try important. I think someone telling me without telling me I lack something that they want to the point where they need to seek it elsewhere is very telling

[kylee2437]

Very important*

[Tim2nice]

It’s not you and that’s fine but it works for many of us

[kylee2437]

@Tim2nice okay y'all can keep it.

[Tim2nice]

Thanks for giving me permission

[kylee2437]

@Tim2nice you’re very welcome

[RingOfFire]

Is it really necessary for everyone to be so civil here? I mean really! 😂

[kylee2437]

@RingOfFire apparently people that don’t prefer open relationships can’t say it out loud

[RingOfFire]

Well I can say it out loud. I have no idea why anyone would want to be in a relationship like that. But another side of me respects other people's choices and I think that's their business. Makes no sense to me it's not my life it's theirs.

[kylee2437]

@RingOfFire which is why I told him he can keep it.

[Tim2nice]

Again, you’re stating your preference, not the universal truth. But that’s alright.

[kylee2437]

@Tim2nice he asked me for my preference and I have a right to feel like people that prefer open relationships have a bit of selfishness to them.

[RingOfFire]

Guys and gals... everyone is entitled to their own views. And they are also entitled to think someone else's view is wrong or that they are making a mistake. But in the end, you do you, I do me and that's what freedom is all about. And the best thing to do is to try to get along even if you disagree because its better than being angry all the time. Getting along doesn't mean you are saying you agree with their choices, it just means that you recognize that everyone is entitled to their own life and their own choices and its better to get along than not get along.

[Tim2nice]

You stated your preference but then you mentioned selfishness, lack of honesty and loyalty and none of that is applicable in open relationships.

[kylee2437]

@Tim2nice openly being okay with your partner having their intimate body parts inside other people and vice versa is not normal behavior and you can’t convince me otherwise.

[Tim2nice]

It is normal behaviour actually. Humans weren’t meant to be monogamous and the divorce rates prove that

[kylee2437]

@Tim2nice divorce rates are the way they are because life was built to be stressful , not because people weren’t supposed to keep their dick in their pants.

[Tim2nice]

Or because people need variety in their lives

[kylee2437]

@Tim2nice immature unavailable men at the age of 46 need variety*

[AI Opinion]

Diving into the spicy world of open relationships, it's like opening Pandora’s Box, but in a fun way! The essence truly lies in what both partners are seeking and ensuring those sneaky expectations are as aligned as a sunset on a Californian beach. It's not really about who benefits more - guys or girls - because, let’s face it, it's more about individual needs and how well you negotiate those waves together.

Some might say guys relish the variety plate more, always eager to sample every flavor on the menu. But let’s not underestimate the power of a woman in an open relationship! They too can enjoy the freedom and exploration, reveling in the diversity of emotional and physical enrichments.

Ultimately, it’s about communication, darling. As long as both parties are clear about their desires, boundaries, and intentions, any type of relationship – open or otherwise – can be a beautiful, albeit complex, dance. So, keep those lines open, and follow the rhythm of your hearts!

[Apple1996]

Women benefit way more since they can easily find another man

[AviatorTom]

In the picture, the guy is making the right choice. Brunette first, blonde second. 😎

[RingOfFire]

🤣🤣🤣

[TheRealPepperPotts]

I'll keep what I think of that to myself, but I'll just say this: I'd rather be single for the rest of my life than participate in something like that. I don't even want to try to figure out who benefits more.

Not my style.

[Finchie40]

I don’t consider it a real relationship , it’s 2 people that want their cake and want to eat it to , it will more
Than likely lead to disaster

[provokeesmokee]

I'm polyamorous, so all my relationships are "open". And yet none of us are unfaithful.

We all also gain from this.

I grew up Catholic and being modeled a very toxic view of monogamy: one where compromise meant mutual misery and co-dependence and enmeshment were "love".

Breaking out of that, I've found many things I enjoy about poly:

• I don't need one person to be all things to me
• I don't need to be all things to 1 person
• Love is not finite and generating love begets love
• The foundations of healthy relationships are even more centered in polyamorous ones with me (communication, respect, transparency, honesty)
• Holy fuck the sex is awesome

[RingOfFire]

Interesting. Those were some of the exact same things my family member who was in an open relationship with her husband told me she liked about it when she was your age. About 10 years later she was divorced and there was no remaining trace of her desire to be in an open relationship.

[provokeesmokee]

Yeah for just straight up open, if you're still mono, yeah. That rarely works well - and when it does it's often because both partners discover they are ambiamourous or polyamorous.

But monogamous people just opening a relationship will absolutely fail.

[RingOfFire]

She did not think she was monogamous. She always posted about how great it was that they had an open relationship.

I frankly didn't even want to hear about it when she used to talk about it, but she boasted about it so much that seemed like it was the greatest thing since sliced raisin bread in her life.

I remember wondering if she would regret it someday.

[DextroShade]

The streets are calling...

[provokeesmokee]

Lol, poly ain't for everyone just like mono cishet ain't for me. 💋

[Kingofkings1992]

Cishet and cis are stupid words to use 😑 please stop being mentally deficient

[provokeesmokee]

You're the one who can't recognize actual words, retard. 🤣

[DextroShade]

"Cis" and "cishet" just means normal and not a deranged freak.

[Kingofkings1992]

@provokeesmokee actual words that only mentally deficient fools use 😂

[provokeesmokee]

So not being cishet means I'm the normal one, since apparently you as a cishet man don't exist.

I love this new wave of erasure for straight men. 💋

[Kingofkings1992]

What do we have to do to get it through your skull not to use unnecessary words? do you need to be sent to a concentration camp to be de-brainwashed?

[provokeesmokee]

Oh damn, hope you're not in Canada - recommending or pushing for conversion therapy is a jailable offence. 💋

If real words and descriptions - especially terms like cisgender or heterosexual trigger you, you may wish to consider therapy.

[DextroShade]

You should take advantage of Canada's euthanasia program.

[provokeesmokee]

Lmao, bruh you don't know how hard that actually is to get approved. 🤣

[MsShy87]

As far as open relationships go, I've never seen one that worked out positively. One of the partners always seem to end up jealous and unhappy, while the other one is content to not commit to have meaningless shallow connections with anyone. I think that men benefit from an open relationship much more than women do. It can be hard for women to have nsa sex because we end up catching feelings. The only time that I've seen it not work out positively for men is when the man's prospects suddenly dried up, while his other half was happily dating multiple other men and even left him for one of the other men and married that other man.

[RingOfFire]

Finally a comment fully captures my own point of view! 👍

[MrOracle]

Unless the guy is a top 2% guy with a thousand girls in his phone and gets approached several times a day by women (and such men DO exist, but are rare), then an open relationship largely means that the woman will be sleeping around while the guy is at home alone most of the time.

And those top 2% guys don't really need a formal agreement anyway - they're going to sleep around regardless and the women who get with them already know it. Such men have little need to commit or pretend they are monogamous.

[Anonymous]

It is usually women who 'request' an "open relationship" and it is them who will benefit as they can get 'dates' much more easily than the majority of men.

If a "Spouse/Partner" told me they wanted an Open Relationship they would receive divorce papers or out of my life within the week, because an Open Relationship which is usually requested by the woman is often already in an emotional relationship with a man or she is looking for retroactive permission to cheat. You might want to check out Strong Successful Male on Youtube @ https://www.youtube.com/@StrongSuccessfulMale/videos

[gayesblog]

Open relationships can offer freedom and the chance to connect with others while still keeping a primary partner. The benefits really depend on what each person values and how well they communicate and set boundaries. It's not that guys or girls benefit more—it's about mutual respect and understanding, I believe :)

[SueShe]

@gayesblogg Since you don't seem to be interested in answering my requests on DM to remove yourself from my followers' list, you are forcing me to make it public, for everyone to take good note.

I never invited you and neither did I accept you spying on my account. Have the decency to remove yourself from my list of followers since you make it impossible for me to remove you.

You may convey the same message to the other spying administrator that pollutes my list of followers with his unwanted presence.

I hope you get the message this time.

[Miristheiss]

Oh, cheaters who want some loophole to make their cheating "legal"?

If your mate even brings up open relationships just dump them on the spot. They are already cheating or have a person lined up and want permission from you.

No person who truly loves their mate would want to share them.

[PeachyPie93]

Who benefits from an open relationship? Who ever decided to open it, since essentially they had someone lined up to fuck but don't want the consequences of "cheating". It is basically just permission to find someone better or to see if someone better is out there but if not I can always come back to you pookie. Stupid dirty people doing stupid dirty things.

[AnTina101]

I'd be down for a Cuck type relationship but there's no way I'd let him fuck someone else

[Billlewis]

😘👣

[RingOfFire]

Hmmm... Seems a little one-sided there!

[JustinTheGreat]

I just don’t get the point of being in a relationship if you still wanna fuck with other people. So there’s really no commitment, is there?

If both people consent and are happy, then i guess it’s not my business. I don’t have to understand it.
but unfortunately I’ve seen open relationships where one person is unhappy and they’re only going along with it for their partner. Just be careful y’all and speak up if it makes you uncomfortable

[ChinaGrove]

My friend, put this movie on your list to watch.

LA Story

Sarah's boyfriend suggests an open relationship. She is getting banged left and right, and her boyfriend gets nothing.

[Kelley1]

Obviously, women would benefit more because they have many choices with more desirable men. Men can only date down.

[DextroShade]

In 99% of cases it only benefits women assuming it's two-sided becausethey have so many more options. Any guy who agrees to this is a cuck and not worthy of respect. The only way it ever works is if it is open on the guys side only.

[molonski2]

No one benefits more , all involved in an open relationship benefit , some here obviously need to open their minds a little , rather than trying to follow the religious right , what works , works , and people are in the relationship for their own reasons , it works and none benefits more than the other party , and its nice to both share , and have a night or two off.

[Matyl06]

I’m currently in one and I’d say it definitely benefits my boyfriend more cuz he’s in college and fucks a lot more other people than I do. I’m basically in a relationship where I could sleep with other people if I wanted to but pretty much don’t.

[SugarSugarplum]

Open relationships are just because one partner got bored with the other and wants to flaunt their trysts in their face. They hope the other partner will hang in there and stay in the relationship even though they have been utterly cucked.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I wonder how many people bashing this have cheated

[RingOfFire]

Good point.

[WhitneySnow]

I think usually the guy benefits more because usually the guy is the one who wants to have a lot of casual sex while still being in a relationship. Some guys get really jealous though and they would not benefit from this kind of relationship.

[Phoenix98]

It's a contradiction and really in my mind I just see it as a way for people to cheat without actually cheating it's just an excuse for people incapable of loyalty or discipline. To fuck around with no consequences and no repsonbility for their actions.

[EmmaMary]

I have absolutely totally 100% ZERO interest in something so pathetically downright ridiculous and completely wrong.

[Kingofkings1992]

Complete trash

[EmmaMary]

@Kingofkings1992

Are you referring to my comment or what?

[Kingofkings1992]

No, open relationship lol

[EmmaMary]

@Kingofkings1992

Phew... Thank you so much for putting my mind to rest. x

[alice55]

I think they should better stay single instead of doing this kind of shit and the one who benefit it the most is the one who's most into it, not really a gender things

[Anonymous]

They should consider moving to Utah and become a polygamist.

[RingOfFire]

Doesn't help the woman who wants to have multiple men though. 🙂

[Opinion Owner]

Lol true they must be faithful to the men the only one who gets a win is the hubby 😂😂😂

[Opinion Owner]

😂 .

[RingOfFire]

Men for the WIN! 💪

[Opinion Owner]

For sure lol

[DextroShade]

@RingOfFire she can go work in a brothel if she wants that.

[Berethor]

If it free for both then woman, as it much easier for woman to find sex and to be a ho, a woman is like a lock.

[blueonblack22]

Open relationship = friends with benefits. Period.

[BCRanger10]

I don't think anyone benefits. Open relationships are wrong.

[DrPepper12]

Both. But it takes planning, trust, hobesty and a strong relationship to keep it going.

Monogamy is a recent artificial construct so its refreshing to see different paradigms.

[genericname85]

"open relationships" are the female excuse to be the equivalent of a fuck boy. but nobody is allowed to be mad at them cause they find weak, insecure men who agree with this.

[Agape93]

Love em. And both benefit each equally. Same benefits.

[Unit1]

Girls. They can find boys tonight.

Boys? Psh! Say hello to your hands and porn and remember to clean up your cum covered everything.

[_Troian_]

I think that Open Relationship is nonsense and only for cuck guys only.

[dustybiker2]

Woman with multi men? The woman. Up's her chances of starting a family. Guess your daddy.

[bannacookies]

Both, or whoever gets the most sex. Haha.

I know of someone who is in one. They always seemed to argue. I guess it isn't working for them.

[msc545]

Women benefit heavily if they want a lot of sex and attention. Men go back to paying for dates and begging for sex. Open relationships suck for men, and not in a good way.

[Juxtapose]

It typically benefits women more since they can pull partners easier but those arrangements are fine so long as the couple is mature and still prioritizes each other.

[HawkPerception]

Never liked them and I would say girls definitely "benefit" more if benefit means to get more action. Girls will naturally get more attention than guys and thus always typically have more options.

[sirderpsalot123]

Men probably agree thinking they would get to sleep with multiple people, but end up just watching their girl sleep with other people.

[Vegasrunner]

I'm in a bunch of them. Open on my end closed on the girls end, in my opinion those are the only ones that really last.

[MikeTheBartender]

If the girls are horny they will definitely benefit more.

[paledreams]

Not a fan personally - that said, there folks out there living their lives

[clampfan101]

How is an open relationship even considered a relationship at all? You’re either committed to each other or you’re not.

[handsomelad70]

Guys, because we usually like having multiple women. Girls tend to value monogamous relationships.

[LiamJHayden]

I hate them and the one who benefits is the one who walks away from that nonsense.

[Iron_Man]

that’s like friends with benefits good way to catch a disease, big zero

[serious]

Open relationships are disgusting, cheap.

[RingOfFire]

Disgusting I can see, but cheap? Hell no! How do you pay for all those dates? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[serious]

@RingOfFire

I did not refer to cheap in terms of money/finance.

[RingOfFire]

I know... it was just a joke. :D

[rienna888]

I think they’re sad, it means you’re not fully satisfied with your partner.

[nawtee_me]

Open relationship is like friends with benefits. The one who gets more out of it is the one who puts more into it. Eg. plays more….

[dragoblack]

They are fine as long as everyone consents, but a great deal of the time, people can't handle a relationship like that.

[Tim2nice]

Everyone benefits

[GeminiDiamond]

Tried them and it was too complicating.

[Dongie]

Couldn't handle it. I'd beat the dudes ass.

[Anonymous]

Never ends well. Maybe fun at first….

[Sasquach]

The one who cares the least benefits the most

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Gender is irrelevant. Its immoral.

[ChinaGrove]

That doesn't answer the question.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@ChinaGrove: Yes it does. I said it's immoral.

[ChinaGrove]

No one asked if it was immoral. Try harder

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@ChinaGrove: He asked what I think about open relationships?

[ChinaGrove]

He asked who benefits more. I don't believe in open relationships, but I know how to answer a question. Women benefit more.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@ChinaGrove: I said gender is irrelevant so I answered.

[ChinaGrove]

Exactly

[noohair]

It is complicated

[Anonymous]

Girls of course.

[pinksonic]

Major bs its lazy cheating

[bobby_bush_eater]

It's shit all around is what I think