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No, atheists pretend that they still do not act in accordance with religious ethic.
Few of them have read Nietzsche and/or Dostoevsky and truly comprehend what it means to be an "atheist" in the first place; I will give you a hint: it does not just mean blithely stating "YO JOHNNY CHRISTIAN I AM AN ATHEIST SCREW YOUR GOD".
They do not understand the consequences of atheism, which are universally negative for the time being, because no one has developed a comprehensive secular moral/ethical system.
They do not realize that totalitarian states like the USSR and N-Germany were atheistic precisely because they knew that atheists are easier to indoctrinate.
And they think that somehow, because they are atheists, that they will just magically become Cartesian rationalists; this is incredibly wrong.
Human beings, without monotheistic religion, default to nature and body worship. They do NOT just become rational creatures. They search for some meaning in life. It is BECAUSE they are searching that ideologues like feminists and communists can so, so much more easily indoctrinate them.
So, unless your name is Richard Dawkins or Nietzsche, get the fuck out of here with your thinking you are somehow better than me.
Get on my level, atheist B! tch.
I did not mean to write out the full f- word... I apologize please do not hurt me.
No, I don’t think atheists are necessarily stronger people it really all depends on the person’s genetics and life experiences that make them stronger or not stronger. A lot of UFC fighters are fairly religious and they have obviously a physically and mentally tough plate of armor, also soldiers or military personnel are religious and they are one of the toughest groups of humans in all of humanity’s civilizations and history. Sometimes believing in something can make you stronger. Just because you believe in god or a higher being doesn’t mean you don’t believe in science or logic.
I love this answer from you. 🖒
Just because someone is religious doesn't mean they literally and physically do not endure hardships. They have to go through the exact same emotions and trials and hurt and pain as any non religious person would.
I am pretty sure people as a whole deal with their pain differently. Do you think no non religious person has told themselves a "lie" to make themselves better ever?
A person feeling comforted by their religious book saying "it is going to be OK" is no different than a friend telling you "it is going to be OK". Nobody knows if it's gonna be fucking OK but people say it all the time.
So moral to the story, let's not try to act like one group is superior to another over a incredibly petty thing.
The atheists I have met put down other religions while mocking people who believe in God and brag about being atheist. That comes across as weak and insecure to me. I am yet to meet an atheist who respects all religions and goes about his business. I'm not even the most religious. I don't believe everything in various religious books and teachings but I keep my opinion to myself and I don't shove my opinions down others throats. In fact I find other people's beliefs interesting and fascinating and I try to learn more where I can.
-The atheists I have met put down other religions while mocking people who believe in God and brag about being atheist.
I have had the exact same experience.
I'm confused, what do you mean by weak? Like, refusing to accept reality?
I mean life being so difficult that they've to rely on religion.
To feel better about themselves and life.
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I'm an atheist.
I got bullied for not believing in God.
I don't see the point in it, it seems like a lie, like everything else in life, we are all lied to daily, by people and the goverment.
I believe that seeing is believing, I never saw God, so I don't believe he ever existed in the first place...
God wasn't there when my 2nd family burned to death in Grenfell Tower (it was my home for 19 years).
I tried to save them...
But I was scared and in shock, I cried and couldn't sleep for weeks, my people prayed to God for the rain storm to put out the fire if it could...
But the rain never came to put out the fire...
The fire fighters did...
Now if God is real like people say he is, then he better of taken their souls to heaven...
Innocent people died by neglect from the council and goverment...
Where was God when they all burned to death?
But now I have PTSD, because I was there before the fire even started...
My people were murdered...
Don't ever believe anything the media, or on the news says...
Its all lies...
Atheists keep saying that they have stronger wills because it takes a strong mind not to believe in "fantasy" as they put it. But I think it is quite the opposite. It would be quite comforting to be certain that nothing in this life truly mattered and you had no judgement waiting for you beyond this.
A person could be as immoral or unethical as you wished and all they had to look forward to was oblivion. Maybe it takes a stronger mind to embrace that what you do in this life does matter and what is waiting beyond this life is something you must reckon with.
I'm an atheist and I haven't heard (or read about) a single atheist who has ever said that it takes a strong will not to believe in a god.
@BlueCoyote “Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business. I live by the golden rule: Treat others as you'd want them to treat you. The religious right wants to tell people how to live.”
Jessie Ventura
I have heard this sentiment repeated time and again here.
Yes, but you're confusing two things here. Most atheists believe that not believing in a god is a sign of emotional strength. However, no atheist (to my knowledge) thinks that it takes strength to not believe.
In other words: because I'm strong enough to walk without crutches, I don't need a god in my life. But the act of not believing is in no way exhausting or 'affording of strength'.
The reason this differences is important is because the criticism goes against religion and religious beliefs, not against the people who are religious.
Atheists are not inherently smarter or stronger than believers. So it's not like we have a type of strength that believers will never be able to acquire. Any person can become an atheist if they find the strength within themselves to do. The act of overcoming religiosity typically takes strength because it forces you to be reflective in a way that you haven't been before. But once you are an atheist, it doesn't take strength - it's very liberating.
You don't see to be certain of what you believe. It takes strength not to believe. But atheists are not stronger mentally than anyone else.
I would suggest that you try again.
And from my perspective yes, atheists claim they are mentally stronger but I feel they are quite the opposite.
Not, mentally, emotionally.
And yes, I am certain of what I believe in and what I don't believe in. I don't believe in things for which there is not a shred of evidence.
But like I told you, not believing does NOT afford strength. And if you think it does because you've deduced that from the quote you've given me, then you haven't understood the quote because you're confusing cause and effect. Strength is a result of not believing but it is in no way a prerequisite.
@BlueCoyote I am not sure what difference does that make. Mentally or emotionally. I disagree with either assessment. I think it is perfectly logical that a person would find it easier to believe in oblivion, because of the fear of facing a higher being.
That isn't a response based on logic. That is one based upon emotions.
Two things:
Atheists don't believe in "oblivion". Atheists simply don't have a belief. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about atheism. Believing that there is no god and lacking a belief in god are two different things.
Hence, the descriptor "easy" is not applicable. It would be like saying "not swimming is an easy hobby". Well, not-swimming isn't a hobby in the first place, so it's neither easy nor hard.
And in regard to fear: this is actually a very bad argument for a higher power because you imply that christians only (or mainly) believe in their god for fear of punishment. Out of all the possible reasons why someone would believe, this seems like the very worst of them.
@BlueCoyote You have a belief whether or not you claim it. If you do not believe in God, then your belief is that there is no God. You believe you are alive, because you are responding to me here. And if you believe you are alive, then you believe you will die.
After that death, you either meet a higher being or not.
So perhaps you are not an atheist. Maybe you are an agnostic.
I don't know how accusing Christians of believe in God based upon "emotions" is better than accusing them that they believe in God based on fear. But whatever.
And it doesn't matter why Christians believe what they believe. I think many non-believers like the thought that there will be no accountability beyond this life. And again, that is not belief based upon logic. That is belief based upon emotion.
Oh my. I don't even know where to start here.
First of all, I already told you that atheists DON'T have a belief. We LACK a belief. That's DIFFERENT from believing that there is no god. So please stop claiming otherwise.
And no, I don't "believe" that I'm alive and that I will die. I KNOW it.
Furthermore, you don't seem to know what "agnostic" means. Agnosticism has nothing to do with "being unsure", as in, "sitting on the fence". Agnosticism means "to not know". Atheism and agnosticism are two terms treating different philosophical areas. One deals with belief, the other deals with knowledge. I regard to god or other supernatural powers, I am an agnostic atheist. That means I lack knowledge of, as well as belief in these things.
I didn't accuse christians of believing out of fear. YOU said that.
And now the worst part of your comment: the "lack of accountability". If you are trying to say that atheists can't be moral, you couldn't be further from the truth.
Secular humanism EASILY beats any religion. I don't need supernatural justice to be good, I am good because it is the right thing to do --< see Kant's categorical imperative.
@RolandCuthbert: I 100% agree with your original comment.
It must be very confronting to brainwashed and delude one self that they won't be held accountable for all their filth and sins they have committed against God or anyone else.
Think about how many innocent children have been brutally sexual abused, beating so harshly to the point of death, all the hatered and horrendous murders that have been committed throughout thousands of years etc.
All tears of the victims that felt and experienced horrible injustices throughout centuries and their abusesers and oppressors lived a very comfortable life then headed back to "Nothing" as it were before they were born as athiests like to put it.
It must be real nice to live a life of doing whatever you like then getting of free into oblivion.
Wicked men don't want to be held accountable for their sins.
Not so fast with God.
Psalm 10:13:
Why do the wicked renounce God?
He has said in his heart,
“You will not require a account.
@BlueCoyote And again, you might claim to "know" whatever you wish. You don't know it. You have no idea, if you are just a figament of someone else's imagination. You have no definite proof that the keyboard you type upon is real.
Why? Because all you know is what you experience. Electrical impulses firing off in what you think is a brain is not proof of reality. It is proof that you are experiencing something.
Oh, I know what agnostic means. I think perhaps you do not. That's why I think you are probably saying you are an agnostic. But you have switched to using an argument that is about semantics. A lack of belief vs disbelief.
It's absurd.
Read the definition, there is no difference.
"a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods."
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Yeah, but I don't think this guy is a bad person. I just think the emotional argument proceeds from a false assumption.
Atheists are hardly logical or even rational most of the time. And when you talk with preeminent scientists who are atheists, they admit that they cannot prove a negative. There is no such thing as disproving God. They can only choose to disbelieve. And they choose to "believe" in their theories about how the universe came into being.
He may not be a bad person according to general human standards, but I'm sure he has sinned so many times in life just like everyone else.
Therefore he is not a "good" person by God's Holy and perfect moral standards.
He needs to repent of his sin and turn to Christ for salvation or else he will spilt hell wide open if he dies in his sins.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy The morals of secular humanism trump those of your barbaric, monstrous god any day. Easily. I guess you don't even know half the stuff that's in your holy book.
@BlueCoyote One cannot deny the evils committed in God's name. They are many. But you are comparing belief systems. Which from your supposed perspective, devoid of emotional subjective thinking, should be impossible.
Atheists have always claimed they became so because of their ability to accept rational logical thinking. Yet a statement claiming that God is "monstrous", is not logical in any way, shape or form.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy None of us are "good" by the Lord's standards.
Remember "your righteousness is like filthy rags to Me."
I don't seek to judge anyone. Because I don't even have a basis for doing so. This guy is obviously angry about Christianity. Probably some Pastor, Nun or supposed Christian person wronged him.
And for that, I am sorry. Christians are not perfect. Indeed, we are far from it. But Christ has created a template for us to follow. He created a framework and a basis for us to make this world into a better place. That's what I want to tell him. I cannot argue on behalf of Christians who commit wrongs inconsistent with Christ's teachings. I can only tell him about Christ and what Christ has done for me.
The guy is not interested in the gospel by his comment. I say leave him alone then as the lord Jesus commanded.
Calling god monstrous isn't logical? Have you ever looked into your own holy book? This is not just a random insult, it's a fact that can be supported with countless pieces of evidence. Do you condone slavery? Your god does. Do you believe disobedient children would be killed? Again, your god thnks so. Do you think gay people and people of different beliefs should be stoned to death? That's the position of your god. Do you think civilians should be mass murdered and mass-raped during a war and their houses burnt down? Your Bible says so. Need I go on?
@BlueCoyote Sorry gents. I have created a huge storm of death in another thread. So it had my attention.
:D
Anyway, no it is not logical to call God monstrous. God is God, He decides what is morality and what is not. I don't condone slavery, murder, or any of the above. But I do not question the unparalleled Master of Everything. I cannot possibly know why God did, permitted, acted or not acted. I must have faith that God has a plan.
You do not know the Word. Because in the Word, it is written. . ."for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is external life in our Christ Jesus our Lord."
We were all doomed the hell, but the God sacrificed His only Son and His Son sacrificed His life to save us.
So I do not know any nonsense about certain sinners being killed for this or that. I know only that I am saved by grace and grace alone.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy HCG. . .
"so My word that comes from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please and will prosper in what I send it to do."
Yes and No. This is like saying are non smokers superior to smokers because smoking can be a crutch. True in some cases but a blanket rule like this flat doesn't work.
Religious folks who belive in an afterlife are going to be less afraid then atheists because they belive ultimately we all are going to get what's coming to us. So that's less stress, less fear more satisfaction in life.
On the other hand Atheists do not let to of the illusion of control as readily and this can be a strength too as they are more inclined to seek out what they think they deserve. But sometimes things are just not in your control
Personally I think it comes down to the person not belief or lack of
Yes, I think to some degree that is probably true. Now, I'm not saying that every believer is weak because that would most certainly be wrong. However, as a tendency, atheists are usually more "strong" in the sense that they can put facts over emotions. I certainly prefer to believe what's true than what makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
But there's a second aspect to this. While the thought of an omniscient, all-powerful god can be very comforting to some people, most atheists feel that the absence of such a god is even more comforting. Certainly if we look at the monotheistic gods God/Jahwe/Allah, we can count ourselves happy they don't exist because they are horrific, barbaric monsters. Also, in my opinion, the beauty of our planet and our universe becomes even more outstanding and breathtaking when you realize that there's no cognisant force behind it. Most natural scientists feel that way.
I'm an agnostic and its often mentioned in the same vein. But us and Atheists are mentally stronger people because we didn't drink the Kool Aid. People try to talk about religion and I can't. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FREAKING INVISIBLE ENTITIES, RESURRECTION, VIRGIN BIRTHS, MIRACLES. Every religious premise has more holes that Swiss cheese. As does much of science's explanation of how we got here. People throw out the old' You have to believe in something or you'll fall for anything. What a crock of shit. No logical explanation exists and I should be compelled to choose one? Fuck that. I proudly say 3 words. "I don't know."
Are most religious people around the world broke and helpless and use religion as a cruch? Yes.
Athiests are no better though; instead of religion they use their family, drugs, acholcol, entertainment, sex, porn or whatever they can use as cruch to relieve their pain and sorrows.
Everyone has pain and sorrows in life. Some use religion and others use others means.
Therefore athiests are no better than religious people who rely on religion for comfort.
>Are most religious people around the world broke and helpless and use religion as a cruch? Yes.
Greater than 50% of religious people are both "Broke" and "Helpless."
The face you think you can make a cogent argument with this statement baffles me.
fact*
Strong people are stronger.
Doesn't matter what you believe.
Atheism is in a way just as naive as religion. It's why we call it "The Big Bang - Theory". What helped science advance is admitting that we don't know anything, and that theories may be completely wrong. And so, it'd mean that the theory of evolution, of the big bang, etc, would just be possibilities. My grandfather -- a physicist, for example, has a slightly alternate theory to the big bang. Regardless, that and that is a theory.
Just last sentence to think about for those reading;
Anything one would assume supernatural if it occurred in nature, would in fact be; Natural.
I have couple atheist friends they always say they hate the world , hate other people and i hear many negative things... I stopped being with my close friend because he is changing to worse now he started came up with all type of stories how his life is cool he travels a lot earns a lot. When in reality i catched him lying to me and lie about all this amazing trips.
I think atheist are more weaker. Because it's easy to fallow and do what ever you want and dont hold any rules, but its not easy to try to live by rules and try to keep your self clean from all the dirt from this world. So who is stronger?
I disagree because almost all religious people I know are logical, practical and don't ever rely on their religion for their problems. They are just like everyone else in almost every way. Can't speak for all religious people, but we can't speak for all atheists either, really.
Atheists are heavily head and concept based at the expense of other spheres of consciousness: It's called repression. You can be aloof and snooty in any given moment, but generally, atheists act like everybody else.
Subjective experience poses us with many problems. While the lens is on you, you can be all uppity if you like. But behind the scenes, we all know the tumult that goes on.
Potentially, although that only holds up if they have nothing as a replacement comfort. You can be athiest but seek towards alternative religions such as political correctness, safe spaces and social groups that confirm your biasses, drugs, anti depression, etc.
So if you are 100% scientific and rational 100% of the time, then yes you got something that most people do not have which makes you a strong person. If not we are probably quite the same.
I don't think atheists are necessarily stronger or weaker.
Sure, an atheist isn't leaning on any crutch regarding the after life. But that can break them.
And a religious person can rely on religion as a crutch in times of crisis, because their faith is real even if the atheist thinks their god is not.
Stronger? I don't know what you mean by "strong" here. In general, atheists are more thoughtful and less emotional than religious adherents. Many believers become quite upset when their beliefs are questioned, and would prefer not to be reminded that many people are happy without religion.
If anyone knew the strength it takes to be an atheist in the Bible Belt, they wouldn't be answering No to this poll. It would be far easier to go along with the flow and lie about being a believer. It takes a great strength of will to be honest when asked about your atheism and run the very real risk of being shunned for it. I'm not saying people of faith are weaker, just that atheists aren't weaker, either.
Some atheists actively pursue their belief as if it it were a religion. To them, disbelieving in a divine being is an article of faith, not reason. I'm not sure how this is any different from holding any other faith.
But for those who are merely skeptical, yes. Those atheists who confront life without the shield of faith are certainly braver than I.
Among other things, faith brings and builds hope, joy, self confidence, and willpower.
You can love a person without being blind and lacking any ability in building logic, and love helps both comfort and strengthen you in harsh situations. Faith in God is a kind of love that is just as true in this.
I agree with what @BlueCoyote said, but i also don't think it's limited to "atheists" but rather to people who are unaffiliated with religion as a normal aspect, there are many people whom have their own belief systems that are regulated to a higher power necessarily, but rather to other things, such as nature, the Stars etc.. To each their own
For the most part I respect everyone but I see most atheists as lazy & brainwashed by their teachers and society. It's so much easier to give up and say you believe in nothing that to do the hard yards to find out what is true.
Depends on you, religion is not a factor when it comes to a person being strong or weak because it all depends on who you are and how you become you , for me religion is a way of living as it balances it and help me be a better person in general.
I rather say that a person who cannot be committed to a faith is rather weak.
How and why?
Here is the fact: We cannot see God. We cannot see the Angels. We cannot see Satan. We cannot see the Jinns. That is exactly why believing in them is called 'faith'. It is not bad to question religion, but once you start quitting because scriptures don't go with your mindset and in the end you tell yourself none of these exist because you haven't seen them, that's what I call weakness.
Not even close. Do you know how hard it is to be a Christian? Faith is so important. This is a stupid question. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Please elaborate yourself on how it's hard being one.
I'm not only curious on what people thinks, but also on why they've their opinion. I can ask people from both sides of a discussion. It's depending on how much people are elaborating themselves.
Im agnostic. I prefer this because I am open minded to any possibility. Atheism suggests you dont believe in anything.
I think anyone with a solid belief system is strong, whether they lean on religion or something else
Why?
Because my parents are extremely strong in every way, they’re devout muslims. They lived through a civil war, watched friends and family killed by both foreign and domestic enemies and they leaned on religion. The act of having a belief system itself makes you solid and secure. Whether your belief system is a major religion or an idealogy like existential nihilism.
No. They may not use religion, but they do rely on something.
Any examples on what they're relying on?
Music, friends, family, exercise.
Meditation. Science.
Yes, religious people absolutely are weak minded, in fact I'm convinced that being weak minded or having associated psychological issues is actually a requirement to be religious.
This is also why third world countries that suffer all sorts of sociopolitical issues (Africa, Middle East, Southeast Asia) are overwhelmingly religious, while prospering countries such as Scandinavia, Eastern Asia and Western Europe are highly irreligious.
The worse quality of life your country has, the more religious it is going to be.
I'd like to say yes, but really, there's no real reason as to why or anything showing that they are. Once I see some research that says otherwise, I'll change my mind.
I believe we're more independent in that sense. When we're in deep shit, we fix the problem ourselves instead of praying, which will do nothing but waste time
I don't think anyone's beliefs make anyone stronger than another
No. I think one's faith, or lack there of, makes one "strong."
im strong and have no religious beliefs but i dont know if it follows that the two are linked
I think many might think that there are those who rely on the comfort of religion.
I would say that they are actually relying on their own strength, just crediting religion.
Atheists think for themselves, don't get the ready made answers and instructions from some church or very old book.
No, strength isn't determined by your religious views. Atheists seem more logical though.
I think Atheists are stronger. When there is a problem, we face it with logic than with holy books that are full of lies. We think for ourselves.
Stronger? No, circumstances may be different. But it's a conclusion MANY intellectuals come to and that should be very telling for many
No. Because they are just as push and shove as Christians.
Because a lot of religious people are always being told that their religion is a load of nonsense, and that their is no God, but still they choose to believe and not give into other peoples opinions.
I don't paint all believers as weak or strong. People belief for various reasons
Just like everyone else ! with different belief system.
Ignorant, maybe. This means "Not in the Know."xx
No there is no reason for it
We rely solely on the force to exist.
No. They deny the spiritual part of being human.
Have nothing to do with it
Yes.
Not necessarily
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