Why I Think White People Suffer the Most From Racism in the Modern World

[Qwerty_0]

I've been wanting to make a myTake for a while and now I finally have something to talk about - everybody's favourite subject, racism! Before we start however, let's define what racism actually is. A lot of people seem to have forgotten these days, so let's remind them.

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior, or the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Now let's have a look at a few examples of what racism is and what racism isn't.

What racism is

The reason I believe white people suffer the most from racial bigotry today, is mostly because of SJW's that have warped the meaning of the word so that it only applies to minorities - you can only be racist against a minority, and if you're white, you have a subconscious racism. Or some bullshit like that anyway. However, this is completely wrong. Take a look at this: Man spits in baby’s face and tells mother: ‘White people shouldn’t breed’ This is a bit racist, and the fact the man was spared jail when you can be arrested for tweeting about Muslims kinda shows a bit of racial bias. You can be arrested over a tweet (also note the lack of context) about Muslims, but spitting in the face of a baby and saying white people shouldn't breed is perfectly ok.

What racism isn't

Let's take a look at these two statements:

-Black Lives Matter

-White Lives Matter

Which one is racist? Well, neither, of course. Both are putting the message forward that the lives of x group of people matters, it doesn't necessarily exclude anyone. A more ideal message is "All Lives Matter", but apparently that's racist because it's excluding minorities. Which it isn't - it's saying all lives matter, so the people who say it's excluding minorities are probably the ones that see them as less than human.

"Hate speech"

I hate this term "hate speech" especially as a legal thing that you can get arrested for, because as we've seen in the past, something as simple as a silly tweet online or an edgy joke can get you arrested. But only if you're white. There are many examples of police being harassed by black people or otherwise breaking the law, such as the example I gave earlier, yet they tend to get off fairly easily, because people cry racism if a black person is thrown in jail, yet if you make an edgy joke such as teaching your dog to a Nazi salute in response to the phrase "gas the Jews", you can get arrested for hurting peoples feelings.

Now before I get the inevitable comments - I'm not racist, nor am I a Nazi, nor am I denying black people suffer from racism. I am simply trying to bring some light to the fact that white people tend to suffer from racism a lot more than we are led to believe. There is also a definite free speech issue starting to sprout up, but I'll probably cover that in another myTake.

@LonelyGuy87 I know it ain't a question but eh, I've been itching to make a myTake.

[Shezadi]

One restaurant had toothpicks with British flags and the restaurant had to close down

I agree with one comment that whites are not allowed to be proud of their race.

Plus if I praise somebody's fair skin or if I say I want a man with fair skin I will be called a racist

Minorities do get away with a lot they can say. It is like a woman can slap but a man is not allowed to slap back.

Not to mention this case where the owners if Asher's bakery refused to bake a cake about gay people and the case went on for two years in a court.

The owners were Christians and respectfully refused to bake a cake and in the end the gay person won.

Imagine if a Muslim was told to bake a cake about hindu muslim marriages or Valentine's day or about gay and lesbians

I am a Muslim

If someone tells me to bake a cake about lesbians as a woman and as a Muslim I will refuse.

[ChronicThinker]

Er... not to the same extent actually minorities face. Yes, people mislabel us all as evil and racist when we talk about radicals, but none of us are oppressed the way other races are. White people haven't been proven to be stopped in Toronto for random ID checks without reason, black people have. No white person in Star Wars was attacked for not belonging in the film - the Asian actress was.

We all experience racism, but I have never had a racist experience to the extent of my fiance, who is Korean.

[Deathraider]

I'm not going to criticise your entire post, I would just like to point out this sentence:
"No white person in Star Wars was attacked for not belonging in the film - the Asian actress was."
She wasn't attacked because of racism. It was just terrible acting. If she was playing a different character that had a different role, we would've liked her. But the problem with Rose in Star Wars was that she was an unnecessary part of it. I mean when she sacrificed for Fin, she said, "It's not fighting what we hate, it's saving what we love." Fin was saving what he loved. He was about to sacrifice himself to save everyone in that base.

I think I made my point with my fan boy rant.

[Qwerty_0]

All of the new Star Wars is just terrible..

[madhatters4]

black lives matter never suggested that their lives were more important than another. it was the fact that as black people are disproportionately killed by police that their lives are important and thus shouldn't be victims of police brutality at such an alarming rate

that aside. yes white people face racism but more than most? no. just no. white people definitely face racism but the fact is victims of hate crimes, people beaten, murdered etc due to their race happens at a far lesser rate in the case of white people than other races

where we are talking about non-violent or non-punishable racism we simply can't measure it and tends to base down to what we choose to look at and call racism and as such i don't think we can objectively say who experiences more but i think it's fair to suggest that white people are not the primary target of racism in this world

[DevikaButts95]

Eh. When Black Lives Matter was introduced or rather became mainstream, it was slightly followed by the term All Lives Matter. BLM, in general, then immediately opposed this term. So like, to say it "never suggested that their lives were more important than another" is wrong. If BLM did it right, they would have adopted All Lives Matter and used it to further the Black Lives Matter term. This isn't what happened.

[madhatters4]

@DevikaButts95 they didn't oppose the notion that all lives matter or that any life is more meaningful than another. they opposed the simple opposition. that in an effort to simply bring awareness to an issue that specifically impacted people of color there was such outrage and opposition.

[madhatters4]

perhaps the organization should've named themselves all lives matter but really the name is irrelevant compared to the cause they are aiming to improve. no organizations were widely advocated for addressing issues of deaths of minorities at the hands of the police. all lives matter didn't do it either. it simply stood as opposition to black lives matter

[DevikaButts95]

See but they still opposed the term All Lives Matter. That's all you need to take from that.
Also, All Lives Matter was never an opposition to Black Lives Matter technically speaking, it opposed the idea of just focusing on black people, even though as the OP said, BLM doesn't exclude other races. But still, All Lives Matter was literally introduced with the idea that all races should be included, including black lives. That's not an opposition. And then BLM opposed it. That's the takeaway from it, regardless of their meaning.

[madhatters4]

@DevikaButts95 opposed the opposition. not the idea that all lives matter. they opposed the oppositional force to addressing the issues that black lives matter attempts to address... not the notion that all lives do in fact matter

you assert that black lives matters suggest that one life is more important or matter more than others. this has never been a position of black lives matters.

[DevikaButts95]

You're saying "opposed All Lives Matter", but in a different way. There really isn't much more I can say than that.

[madhatters4]

@DevikaButts95 don't parse my sentenced. they don't oppose the notion. they oppose the oppositional stance. i choose my words carefully parse them to suit your desire as i never said ""opposed All Lives Matter". it's completely disengenous to any intellectual argument

[Qwerty_0]

All Lives Matter does not exclude anyone. Black Lives Matter does. And they're no better than groups like Antifa.

[madhatters4]

no it doesn't it. it's only a name. if you look at their website and their missions and the causes they have taken up they address issues that face pretty much anyone. they have been present at protests for a wide array of issues that have little to do with black people.

antifa isn't an organization. it has no central figure. it has no mission statement. it has no stated ideals. it is just a loose group of people

you are looking on a surface level.

[DevikaButts95]

@madhatters4
See but I'm not saying you as an individual, I'm talking Black Lives Matter, in general. There's no way everyone who was a part of BLM when All Lives Matter was brought up was opposed to the term. That's an impossibility. The deal is though, the general reaction was opposition to All Lives Matter. That's the only thing worth looking at.
But anyhow, sorry I reread my comment, and the comment I responded to. My original comment stands, you're saying the same thing as "BLM opposed All Lives Matter," you're just explaining it a bit more, referring to it as an oppositional force. It's still the same though.

[DevikaButts95]

@Qwerty_o
No antifa is far worse. They made it in the "terrorist" range.
BLM isn't like that at all.

[hellionthesagereborn]

But they are not? In fact studies have shown that not only are they not disproportionately targeted and killed by police, their is a clear bias AGAINST shooting armed black suspects vs. armed white and Hispanic suspects. In fact all of their claims have thus far been false from them being more likely to be killed by police (its actually whites who are more likely despite the fact that a police officer is 20% more likely to be shot by a black person), white police officers are racist (arrests rates and incident rates are identical for white and black police officers) to all the claims of police brutality even though in every case the suspect in question resisted arrest in the overwhelming majority they where armed with a criminal record and/or attempted to go for the officers gun (on the rare occasion that it was deemed inappropriate the officers where found guilty and fired showing no bias in their favor). Also black lives matter stated they wanted dead cops so, they are not peaceful.

[madhatters4]

@hellionthesagereborn black lives never said they wanted police dead. some supporters (a handful) marched through new york shouting this during a BLM protests where the majority were saying something else. so unless you want to suggest that ALL nationalist at unite the right are white supremacist because some at their rallies shout white power or wear swastikas it is utterly disingenuous to label a movement by the acts of a few

[madhatters4]

@hellionthesagereborn it is also blatantly clear that black people are shot at a rate extremely disproportionate than their representation in society

the fact that a police officer may be more likely to be shot by black person does not mean all black people should then be subject to greater threat of life in a traffic stop.
www.statista.com/.../
here's stats from the fbi showing a 2:1 ratio of white:black people being shot. but white people outnumber black people by about 7:1. so when 13% of the population is shot 50% of the time that is disproportionate

and in areas where we are talking about unarmed suspects black people are shot 36% of the time. so still 3x's their representation in society
www.washingtonpost.com/.../...da6b404c7_story.html

[hellionthesagereborn]

Strange, the videos suggest something completely different then what your saying, looks like a lot more then a handful and a lot more then one incident:
https://youtu.be/TgBnB0341e4
https://youtu.be/kQrnEdjQWKI
https://youtu.be/iYkvZodBRuY
https://youtu.be/tA1Fi-VwWf8
https://youtu.be/k99fcFNVFVo
From the founders to the protestors in multiple states they have all been saying pretty much the same thing (as the videos of their actual words and speeches shows).
As for the "unite the right" I wouldn't suggest that but if at the other unite the right rallies they had hundreds and even thousands of people saying it then I would consider that maybe this was a hate group, if they did it several more times with the same result, as we have seen with black lives matter, I would feel very comfortable with labeling them as such.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for your laughable claim about blacks being shot at a disproportionate rate, you are missing some very important details, I'm guessing either ignorance or intentional omissions. For starters they are FAR more likely to commit crimes. In fact over half of all murders are commited by blacks: ucr.fbi.gov/.../expanded-homicide-data-table-3
As you can see from the FBI data they actually commit more murders then whites do despite the fact that whites make up 63% of the population while blacks make up roughly 13% of the population. They are also far equally as likely to commit robberies again despite being only 13% of the population. This in turn is why they are more likely to be in a confronation with police and thus are more likely to be shot to begin with then other groups, a reasonable expectation considering they are also more likely to shoot a police officer:

[hellionthesagereborn]

www.sciencedaily.com/.../140902094107.htm
and particularly suprising considering that police actually have a bias AGAINST shooting blacks comparative to whites: www.washingtonpost.com/.../?utm_term=.3376f0ad34fa
www.washingtonpost.com/.../
On top of this we can see that arrest and incident rates match with data from the NCVS showing that their is no disproportionate targeting of blacks: www.washingtontimes.com/.../

[hellionthesagereborn]

We also know that while their have been many (more) incidents of unarmed whites being killed by police then of blacks, the black deaths are the ones that are more likely to be reported and circulated and are more likely to generate outrage: www.washingtontimes.com/.../
Which itself is proof that their is actually not racial bias directed towards blacks accept for that which can be considered beneficial, based upon all known data.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for the stops, their is data showing that blacks are more likely to drive with a busted tail light, more likely to drive without a seatbelt and thus results in them being more likely to be stopped: www.washingtonpost.com/.../?utm_term=.6e8310ade5ba
It was also found that they are far more likely to speed: www.nytimes.com/.../...speeding-in-new-jersey.html
Also, again, we have multiple studies showing a bias against doing anything that seems racist towards blacks including unfairly targeting them so it would stand that this would also be the case in this scenario. As for violence blacks are far more likely to resist arrest: www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/
www.sfgate.com/.../...isting-arrest-at-6229946.php

[hellionthesagereborn]

We also know that they are not more likely to be hurt after a traffic stop: www.washingtonpost.com/.../
So again, when you look at the data, we can state conclusively and with absolutely NO doubt what so ever that it is not racism that is the problem (well not from whites or police officers, blacks are actually more likely to commit hate crimes: ucr.fbi.gov/.../offenders_final
and the largest and fastest growing hate group in the US is in fact black seperatists: www.cnn.com/.../index.html )

[madhatters4]

@hellionthesagereborn i'm sorry but none of your arguments are justifications for unarmed people being shot at the rate they are... busted tailights should result in a higher rate of deaths? seriously? who cares how many hate groups are in the US? should that mean that me a black man not affiliated with any hate group should be concerned for his life when i get pulled over by a cop? does that mean there is justification for cops shooting white supremacists who have committed nothing but a moving violation?

i'm sorry you have simply not provided any solid rationale why people who commit non-violent moving violations should expect to be shot OR why people of a race should expect to 3x's more likely to die than the representation in the society.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Okay, so clearly you ignored everything I said. They are not being shot. That was my argument, I then provided multiple bits of data on it showing that what your saying is entirely fabricated. So again, they are not being shot when they are stopped for a busted tail light, they are being stopped more frequently because they are more likely to speed, not wear a seat belt and to have busted lights (which you tried to argue the opposite, that they where being stopped because they where black, which again, I gave multiple sources proving that statement incorrect). As for them being unarmed, again, if they have commited robbery and assaulted people they are more likely to interact with the police (that should be a no brainer) and if they assault the police officer then yes the police officer is going to use force, what do you think the police officer should allow themselves to have their head beaten in and get shot with their own gun because they didn't want to be "racist"? That's absurd.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for not having a "solid rational" yeah actually I did, I even provided data for it from the DOJ, the CDC, the NCVS, multiple studies, one of which was from a black Harvard professor. You just said their is racism, and we know their is racism because bad things happen and those bad things are due to racism (circular argument and a logical fallacy). You just don't like what you heard. I presented FIVE video recording of BLM calling for violence and racism when you said their was none, or that it was only a small minority of them) from five different events and locations. I presented THIRTEEN different sources backing my claims several of which where from the FBI itself. Stop, just accept that you where wrong and move on so we can finally resolve these problems instead of just allowing them to be perpetuated.

[madhatters4]

@hellionthesagereborn your data showed tht white people commit more hate crimes... per your fbi source
your data showed that there is more violence per capita from black people. that doesn't mean innocent black people should be forced to suffer. that is a racist notion based on the idea that one black person is inherently similar to another

by this logic i should presume and treat each white person as a racist. there is no reason why innocent black people should be shot just like there is no reason why innocent white people should be shot just like there is no reason innocent cops should be shot... any argument contrary to that notion is willfully ignorant

[hellionthesagereborn]

No it didn't. Why would you intentionally misrepresent the data? Why do that when its so readily verifiable? What it showed is that about 50% of hate crimes are commited by whites and another 26% is commited by blacks, but of course you intentionally ignored the part where 63% of the population is white and only 13% of the population is black meaning that blacks are twice as likely (because they have rates TWICE THAT OF THEIR POPULATION SIZE) as whites who have less then their equivalent population size. So again, why would you knowingly lie about this? You know what you said is wrong, you have the data and I have the data, so why would you outright lie? What gain is their to show that your lying? That weakens your argument considerably. Please don't lie to me again, please do not intentionally misrepresent the data to push your ideological agenda because that does not resolve the problem, all it does is destroy your credibility (and I will not fall for it).

[hellionthesagereborn]

So again, please do not lie to me. As for the rest of your statement, that's circular logic yet again. You have decided they where innocent but have no data to back that statement (in fact in every situation that has been publicized all resisted arrest, many reached for the officers gun, some where armed, most where believed to be armed). So again, your intentionally misrepresenting the situation so that you can cling to an ideological belief that is provably false. You would have to prove that they where innocent which you have not done and can't do, you would have to prove that this is a common occurrence which again, as I pointed out is not a common occurrence, its actually very rare, you would have to prove that it was intentionally targeting blacks which as the data shows conclusively and without question, their is no targeting of blacks. So again, everything you said is wrong the data shows it, their (BLM) words show it, so please stop being willfully ignorant, its distasteful.

[madhatters4]

i didn't lie. i said more white people commit hate crimes. that is a fact. if 1/2 of hate crimes are committed by white people, white people commit more hate crimes

and none of that suggests that black people who are innocent should die at the hands of the police or be treated differently by police.

i haven't "lied" about anything. you simply are trying to use statistics to suggest justify the the deaths of people who commit no violent crime. unarmed white people who commit no violent crime die by the numbers more than anyone at the hands of the police. are you ok with that? how can you be ok with any person who doesn't deserve death being killed by those who are supposed to "protect and serve"?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yeah, it was a lie. If over half of the population is white and half the hate crimes are commited by whites while 13% of the population commits over a quarter of hate crimes then you can state whites are less likely to commit hate crimes (because their incident rate is lower then their population rate) then the group that has more then twice the incident rate (as they have twice as many occurences per population size). So either you knowingly lied, or you cannot grasp a very simple concept, in either case it does not look good for you. Again you keep making up things. In EVERY CASE the person in question assaulted an officer, resisted arrest, in the case of the "hands up" lie, he had just finished commiting armed ROBBERY, and assaulted an officer. SO yeah, your lying because you can't handle the truth, its kind of pathetic. But then that's why I gave 13 different stats proving you wrong and all you have is repeating the same lie over and over again ad nauseum.

[madhatters4]

@hellionthesagereborn it's not a lie. what are you 7? if there are 1000 hate crimes and 50% are committed by one group thats 500. if 26% are committed by another that's 260. if you want to say a disproportionate amount are done by black people compared to their representation that's one thing but white people still commit nearly twice as many hate crimes.

but continue to insult my intelligence or accuse me of lying. it's just the childish method of trying to tear someone down with personal attacks in lieu of facts

[DevikaButts95]

@madhatters4
I'm not entirely certain what the other guy is saying, so I won't wholeheartedly agree with him. But I wanna go on this:
"i didn't lie. i said more white people commit hate crimes. that is a fact. if 1/2 of hate crimes are committed by white people, white people commit more hate crimes"
Okay that's not a lie, but like I'm going to apply stuff that I use to argue mass shootings here. A lot of people think that white males are more likely to be mass shooters, this is because it is represented that white males have committed most of the mass murders, at about 56/97. I can't recall at the time, it's higher than 95 total incidents, not quite 100 I believe, of which 56 were done by white people. 14 about black people. A lot of people purposely display the information that way so it comes off negatively.

[DevikaButts95]

@madhatters4
But when you take in the population, you find that about 63% of the population is white and 14% or so is black. Now about 56/97 are white shooters and 14/97 are black shooters. When you take this into consideration, the data no longer shows that white males are more likely to be shooters because they're not. In reality, about 1 male in every 1% of the population of a certain race ends up being a mass shooter. That's an important distinction.
So I don't get why you're trying to defend this whole "white people commit more hate crimes." Like sure, that's not wrong per say but you're purposely displaying the information in a way to make it seem like white people are more likely to commit hate crimes, which according to the data provided, is not correct. There's more white people here, of course they should be performing more of each crime compared to any other race.
I would definitely describe that as stupid to defend too.

[DevikaButts95]

FYI as a statement, I don't know if the data provided here is accurate or not, I just randomly joined in, I didn't look into any of it. I'm just seeing the flaw or the lack of a point in this argument.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I stated blacks are twice as likely to commit a hate crime as a white person, that is statistical fact you then tried to twist it and claim that this was not the case (I also find it interesting that you ignored that they also have the largest and fastest growing hate group as well, again despite being 13% of the population). So yes you lied, you stated something that you knew was not true, you tried to misrepresent what I stated with the intent to mislead, how is that not lying?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@DevikaButts95 That was exactly the point I made, that if you factor in population you see that blacks commit hate crimes at twice the rate as whites do so claiming that its whites that are more likely to be racist is factually incorrect (when also accounting for black seperatists being the largest and fastest growing hate group in the nation). He is just intentionally trying to ignore that minor detail because it would make his argument void. As for the data, its based off of FBI and DOJ data which has also been corroborated with CDC/NCVS data so its as accurate as we can get it.

[madhatters4]

@hellionthesagereborn i never argued the fact that black people may commit hate crimes at a rate disproportionate to their representation in society. i simply said that black people do not commit more hate crimes.

and regardless of the number of hate crimes no race should be pre-judged as violent because of the actions of others. white people, black people, whatever people should not experience prejudice. we should treat people as individuals. i don't see what is the problem with that notion. unless you want to experience treatment based on what other people who simply have a similar skin color may have done

[hellionthesagereborn]

Again, your specific intention (not sure why you would state such blatant lies when you know you've been caught) was to mislead. Obviously more whites commit hate crimes in the US because they are 63% of the population vs. 13%, that's a no brainer, so much so that the very fact that you would try to state this is baffling as that was never in question because that would require literally every black person to have commited at least one hate crime since they are such a small population. So again your intention was to mislead and I don't understand why you feel the need to try and obfuscate the facts. Also, again, your assuming that they are being unfairly targeted which as all the data I presented pointed out they are not. Further more yes we actually have a very good reason to be suspicious of a community that is responisible for over half of all the crime in the nation despite their small population size as the probability that they are potentially doing harm is signicantly higher.

[ADFSDF1996]

I agree that whites face a lot of open discrimination and prejudice nowadays from the radical liberals (not all liberals are radical) but people of East and south Asian descent are on same boat as white people, except that the discrimination and prejudice Asians face is more subtle.

[ThisDudeHere]

Nowadays the issue lies with the altered definition itself - to the regressive left, racism is when someone in a supposed position of power is prejudiced against someone of a different ethnicity, especially if said ethnicity is within a supposed position of societal oppression.

And, often, neither side has to actually be powerful or oppressed - all that matters that people who looked like them, so not even their own ancestors, were in such positions at literally any point of history, even if centuries ago.

In their view, a rich black guy can not be racist against a poor white person because white people used to own slaves, even if said rich black guy is the descendant of relatively well-off African immigrants who came to America well after slavery, and the poor white guy is a descendant of poor Eastern Europeans who came to America but did not find their luck and remained poor.

The regressive left absolutely ignores any personal circumstances and broad-brushes everyone, essentially making themselves the racist ones.

[JimRSmith]

Absolutely nailed it.

[curiousnorway]

Racism goes both ways. People of all continents can be racist and can experience racism.

[JimRSmith]

The biggest, most open racists I've ever encountered have not been white, they've been Gulf Arabs.

[FatherJack]

Agreed , served in the Gulf 1990 / 91 , their treatment of women is shockingly bad , so much for their " superior " culture

[MrMysteryMan]

Being a black man, I do support this view that whites get shit on a lot for simple things or for just being proud of their "race" I guess you could say. As well, you can generalize all "whites". Also, there's different cultures within the blanket "white" culture. Go to Europe or Great Britain and you'll understand in a heart beat. I think the issue is that some don't care about the why people are still angry or take offence, on both sides of the coin. Why are whites angry at blacks or minorities? Why are minorities mad at whites. Why are we keeping each other segregated really?

Really, why are we segregating ourselves anyhow? So you grew up differently than me and your skin colour happens to be lighter than mine. So I should hate you for this? I should expect you to hate me or I should hate you because of some pre-determined notions we have about one another based on outward appearance or what happened to a group of my same culture in the past? Also, those issues that happened in the past, yes matter, but isn't what I'm about now or what others are about now and really shouldn't be. At that time frame, it's what happened for how that group of people understood the differences. We are much more aware of understanding each other since the gaps of the countries and cultures have been greatly lessened or should have been by now.

I try my best to base my view of whoever I meet on their character and personality, as well as if I'm attracted to them or not I suppose or if my view match theirs or what have you. Not on their culture so much or their skin color. This is how we should be acting toward one another. But there is still some underlying hate or lack of open thought or lack of understanding and I believe it's more taught, hate is. Also, some of it is from bad experiences that stay with you, so you associate the majority is going to be the same. Which is also a very limiting view of life, and you're only hurting yourself.

Anyhow, I like the take and there's always more than one side of the dice.

[AlphaGhost]

Well you guys are responsible for this cuz of your government idiotic policies in third world countries. There is this feeling white guys have that they are superior to people of the respective country but let me TELL YOU SOMETHING?
Nobody in the MIddle-East or the Chinese Asia give a Fucking DAmnnn about WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THEIR CULTURE OR LIVES?
To them White man is disloyal shit (fucks multiple woman, have top rankings in world rape record, top ranking in criminal record, work physical labour Job and pretend to be anything better to man that owns land more than worth his own body and KILLS MUSLIMS)
We (my white pal) were on vacation on Iraq (cuz of Sumerian culture) and he started flirting with woman and got slapped right on face by one in middle of busy BAZAR. Now he was pure white and US invaded and Killed 500,000 Iraq locals based on WMD lies (US president accepted it) and people start to accumulate and started calling names. I was expecting a mass beating but we (me and my Turkish friend) saved the day due to our normal habit of saying Muslim greeting to everyone (we were Muslim)
I am trying to say is that, If you can't respect the country laws and customs you are visiting then keep your useless ass in your own shit-hole cuz to them you are the most inferior form of human and real incarnation of devil due to NATO mass murder and attacking their beliefs and customs is never going to help anyone cuz WHITE PEOPLE are CULTURALLY inferior to them.
That's the reason why whole world hates EU gene but you guys seem to take it other way around and pretend to be GODS like we will save them and attack everything based on What?
I am in US and I know what the shit type of society we have here, people snatch each-other clothes, homeless people amount have increased by 5 times, crime and rape is on top (50% false claims but thats society prob too), we value freedom of guns over the lives of school kids and alcohol is very common that can make anyone do anything stupid in higher amount.
US dream is absolutely dead with big companies in China and US in trillion of Chinese debt and on top this mass murder in Middle-East cuz we don't like leader they elect for themselves (syria bashar).

[AlphaGhost]

That's why everybody hates white guys !

[HungLikeAHorsefly]

I agree that there is a fair amount of racism pointed at whites these days. I don't believe it's anywhere even close to a level at which other races experience it, though.

I also have to take exception to the "All Lives Matter" point. BLM was created as a backlash at the fact that black people are the victims of violent actions on behalf of police at an alarmingly high rate compared to other races, and it did not intend to suggest whites (or anyone else) are lesser.

It may *seem* like a good idea to use a slogan like "All Lives Matter", but this gives everybody an out. We can say things like "BLM? No, ALL lives matter" and then quietly continue going about our normal business of ignoring the problem BLM was formed to bring awareness to: black people are being victimized by police more so than whites. It's a great way to whitewash the entire issue (no pun intended).

While you in particular may have no desire to normalize this issue, many people who use the phrase "All Lives Matter" do intend to do that. If they didn't, then we would see arguments such as:

"All Lives Matter" so we have to do something about police brutality.

Rather than what usually happens:

"All Lives Matter" therefore BLM is wrong.

See the difference here? Yes, you're correct that All Lives Matter. Also, using that term is dismissive of the underlying issue. And most of us who actually care about it have to wonder why it is you're willing to do that. Is it ignorance, or is it more sinister?

[jacquesvol]

Strange how 'All lives matter' people are triggered when they read Black Lives Matter... :|

[ATuairiscean]

Interesting take while I agree with a lot of what you said there are a few points where I believe you went too far. My hope is that some middle ground can be achieved (whether it will happen or not, I dunno) - Okay lets discuss facts the minorities were abused by white people because of a variety of historical reasons but if you advance the minorities' cause at expense of white people, are you not as guilty as original racist? - What I would hope is people push for a minimum high standard for all.
Ok next point the treating different races on a unequal scale legally, while it is fair to point out discepancies and want light treatment for all just because one got it, I would go opposite way and hit all very hard for any "Offence" crimes no matter what race.
Last point Free Speech which I totally believe in but there are lines that when crossed serve no other purpose than to offend - As you alluded to the Free Speech /Offence debate is a whole different matter (The obvious being who decides what is offensive) - After saying all that I have absolutely no clue how to solve it, I can find myself totally defending Free Speech and censoring offensive stuff in same answer on places like GaG.
In summary I agree with about 80% of what you say but the 20% I don't agree with is that I would hit everyone hard for stuff deemed offensive whether white, black, Asian, muslim, christian, gay, straight etc.

[dantetheexplorer]

You know why the slogan is "Black Lives Matter" and not "All Lives Matter"? It's because we have already known for hundreds and hundreds of years that "White Lives Matter". Go watch a movie. Go turn on the television. Go and read the newspaper and see the people that end up in the headlines. When a global disaster happens, and lives are lost, look at which country it happens in and see how big the global outpouring of sympathy is.

Every day of the year we're reminded, from every possible form of media, that White Lives Matter. Watch a movie or read a book where a White Man saves the Day - nearly everything in popular culture is viewed through the lens of white people. White people's experiences are UNIVERSAL Experiences. Colored people's experiences are niche experiences.

We already know and have known that White Lives Matter.
We're reminded of it every day of the year.
We've been reminded of it every year in the past century.

[Guanfei]

It's almost as is western countries were white to begin with. Crazy.

[SirRexington]

1: Only far right scumbags are saying white lives matter.
2: I understand why its called BLM. If I started a campaign or a group of people raising awareness of autistic discrimination id call it Autistic Lives Matter or some variation of that. So that isn't my issue.
3: I've protested in support of a BLM rally in SC, it was still in is early stages and I had no issues anyone there.
4: BLM completely destroyed itself and it's leaders.
5: Their actions spoke louder then words, and we didn't like what they had to say.
6: If they said, "Black Lives Matter, All Lives Matter" they would have more support. Remember the civil Rights movement? It wasn't the black rights movement.
7: The thing they needed to protest was their own shitty culture. Economic reform to help give them better opportunities. But mostly to protest the violence in their own communities. Instead they blamed everyone else.

[ChurchOfIron]

Mmmmm. Nearly everything in *white* popular culture? Nearly everything in *English*, a Germanic language?

Do you think China has the same outpouring of sympathy and news broadcasts focusing on white sympathy? Do their movies glorify white lives? Does their television? Does Africa?

You kinda live in a white country, my brother. Is it so strange that most white people view the world through white lenses? Does BET view the world through a white lens? If you lived in China, would you demand they see the world through a black lens?

This shouldn't be a concept of, "You had your turn, now it's our turn." It should be a concept of, "Is this right? And is it effective?"

We're humans mane. I don't talk shit about people with green eyes, just because I have blue ones. If people are dying, it's a bad thing. But, just *making* that separation *forces* a difference issue. It is identifying as *opposite*. And it sets it up for failure. Identify *with* us. Not *against* us. Let's work together.

[JustWorthlessMe]

@Guanfei The few remaining Native Americans say "Hi"

[Guanfei]

@JustWorthlessMe You mean the ones you present as a peaceful united people who owned the US, and who were in fact a bunch of tribes fighting each others and owning nothing since they weren't even a country at that time?
Also, if you want to talk about evil people, talk about black people, arabs, most Asian countries too... In fact, you'll have a hard time finding one country, tribe, clan, whatever... who never commited atrocities in their history.
But I guess it matters only if they're white, right?

[Xero0]

@Guanfei
Almost as if you don't recognize the contributions of non whites to this country. One might even consider that willfully ignorant.

[Guanfei]

@Xero0 Almost as if you ignored that most western countries have been built by white people only for most of their history.

[Massageman]

I'm just getting sick and tired of any opinion- ANY opinion- black, white, pink, green, left, right, up, down, whatever- being labeled as "hate speech". When I was a kid and someone said something dumb or even flat out insulted you, you would just respond, "Sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me", and that was the end of it. If I sued some entity every time I was offended, I'd keep three lawyers in mansions for the rest of their lives! If people would use just half the time they spend complaining and being "offended" to help their fellow humans, what a much better world it would be.

[FakeName123]

Cultural Marxism at play. Make no mistake, this is a desired development by the powerful caste. And it's a key issue about western civilisation. We usually deal with issues in a civilised manner to a point we forgot what it means to truly stand up to ourselves. That's why violence by non-whites is most often unanswered and people have no clue how to deal with it. As a result you can - especially in Europe - see a steady increase in "relearning" that.

Unfortunately you can't bring paper to a fight of swords. It will not work, if the other person insists on using said sword.

[RetroAlpha]

I agree that White folks have been treated very rudely these days, but let's not get carried away. No one is making a sport out of shooting unarmed white men. Nope. That only happens to guys who look like me.

I do agree with you that racism knows no bounds; A black/brown/yellow/red person can be (and often is) just as racist as any white person has ever been. I always try to treat people fairly and it pisses me off that others don't.

As for BLM vs ALM: As noted above, White/Red/Yellow/Brown and, yes, "Blue" lives aren't being taken at a record rate - without being armed - by the fucking cops. All they were trying to say is "Please stop killing us. Black lives matter TOO"

Perhaps they should've included the word "Too" in their signs and slogans so simple people would understand it.

[AntisocialLesbian]

I think there's as many people who are racist against whites as there are people who are racist against minorities. Some people will always fall into primitive tribalism and treat isolated anecdotes as representations of entire groups of people.

The racism that minorities face extends into systemic injustice and denial of basic human rights, whereas with the white majority this doesn't happen at anywhere near the same rate. In that context white privilege does exist, and in that context racism against minorities is grotesquely worse than racism the white majority recieves as backlash.

Please recognize this and educate yourselves.

[Anonymous]

While I can see some of your points, I don't agree with the word "most"
I have nothing against White people (my boyfriend is White) but from my experiences, White people are the least discriminated community. White race is widely accepted almost everywhere. I have dated non White guys in the past and I witnessed how were they being treated vs how was my current boyfriend being treated by STRANGERS. It is crazy that some of us are being treated differently just because of our race.
As a non White woman myself, I have been discriminated in many ways that one could never imagine.

[LimitedBenefits]

cool story bro

[Opinion Owner]

@LimitedBenefits your white ass hurt huh.

[LimitedBenefits]

OH NOOO im feelings are hurt :( im crying

[LimitedBenefits]

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[englisc]

I think the white South Africans being killed and having their land taken from them are the ones suffering from racism. We're not suffering here in the West, at least not yet - it will be another story once/if we become a minority as many people predict, because the majority will have the same views you're speaking of here where they see us as the biggest assholes on Earth. That will be their justification, just as it is in South Africa today.

[Guanfei]

It is still racism, we're just not to the point we're killed and expelled from our properties. But being racist toward white people isn't seen as a crime, and is even encouraged in some part of the world.
This is still racism, to a lesser level.

[DevikaButts95]

It's tough to really say who gets "more" racism. I might agree that it's white people, because they're the only group of people it's socially acceptable to be racist to, given that many idiots think you can't be racist against a white person despite the definition of the word racism, and common sense.
But I don't know if I'd say they suffer most from racism. I think it's still more severe for other races in terms of the racism they experience.

[windknowsmyname]

so.. hold on... when i was in school, right. I was taught Christopher Columbus discovered America. Then.. they tell me. Naitive Indians was there before them. So where are they now? * look at white people.*
Sooo was Hitler white or... okay okay sooo auuu Mexicans driven out of America by-
* walk backwards.*
Black people were inslaved by... auuu. y'all the last talk about being racist. y'all messed up blacks, Mexicans, naitives, jews, and then some. Come on bruh. Just sayn.

[Guanfei]

Most of these isn't even half the real history, but I guess you don't care much.

[Cammy137]

Your comment is so ridiculous that I actually can't tell if it's just a joke or not. Are you really taking a few examples of people and basing their actions on the colour of their skin? People from ALL races have committed horrific acts. Who sold that black slaves to the whites? Other black people... what about Genghis Khan, Mao, Pol Pot, etc?
C'mon dude, you're better than this!

[Trollfather]

Ok? Then why are black on black crimes so high? Why does everyone want to come to America if it's so white? Stick to your shit country and stay out of ours.

[Servus09]

I think you're lacking some basic history. First of all, Native Americans are the original Americans of North America, not Mexicans. The Mexicans are descendants of Mexica and are mixed with Spanish, hence the term Mestizos. They are simliar in some ways to Native Americans and different in others.

Secondly, blacks were brought to America by Asiatic Jews. Ugh-oh. It looks like you're in trouble here too now. They were sold to people who were predominately English, well before the United States coalesced into a nation. Slavery was something that was just left over from the old world. The United States did not go into the bush and enslave black people. They were sold by other black people to Asiatic Jews, who then brought them to the United States and Europe to be resold for a profit. That sorta sounds like every race is responsible for the enslavement of black people in America, doesn't it?

[jacquesvol]

@Cammy137 "Who sold that black slaves to the whites?" White colonists in Africa.

[Guanfei]

@jacquesvol Nope, black slavers. They were selling their own "brothers" to white people.

[jacquesvol]

@Guanfei convenient history.

[Guanfei]

@jacquesvol Real history. Not the one made to blame white people constantly. The one who also forget that black people in Africa had slaves for a long time before white people even start, and arabs did it too, to a bigger scale and for a longer time.

[jacquesvol]

white people had slaves in the Bible. Whitte Greeks and Romans had slaves

[Guanfei]

@jacquesvol Cool, that doesn't go against what I said. But you don't care. You want to spit on white people, that's all you care about. And anything not going that way, you ignore it.

[Cammy137]

@jacquesvol White people had slaves in the Bible? When? When are white people even specifically mentioned in the Bible? Also, you have to take into account that the Bible allows slavery and allows you to beat your slaves.

[jacquesvol]

@Cammy137 the Bible allows slavery and allows you to beat your slaves, indeed.
The Bible isn't an example to follow

[Cammy137]

@jacquesvol I agree! So maybe I didn't understand your point referencing white people having slaves in the Bible?

[jacquesvol]

@Cammy137 the scriptures are +2000 years old
That's why I mention it

[jacquesvol]

And written by Jews, Greeks and Romans, all whites.

[Guanfei]

@jacquesvol Dude, you seriously have issues. Get checked, at that point it's not even racism anymore, you're fucking nuts.

[jacquesvol]

@Guanfei

[jacquesvol]

@Guanfei your insults tell MUCH MORE about you than about me.

[jacquesvol]

Whites victims of racism? :o

You wouldn't wanna be a racial minority in the USA. (Or elsewhere).

[Guanfei]

@jacquesvol I'm not insulting you, I'm describing you. You're insane. That's just a fact.

[jacquesvol]

@Guanfei you're just shouting, showing your true personality.

[Guanfei]

@jacquesvol No argument, as I thought. You're the kind who would just tell people are nazis if they don't believe that white people are devils. You're nothing more than an old idiot. If you hate white people that much, go live in Africa, just to see how better your life will be there.

[Trollfather]

@Guanfei Bro ignore jacq... He's mentally ill. I already blocked him a long time ago. You're not going to change his brainwashed mind.

[John_Doesnt]

Wow, ignorance and stupid on a massive scale. Never in the history of humanity have white people suffered the most from racism. They never have and don't now.
You have a victim complex and have huge ignorance to what the world is doing.

My advice is to stop watching conservative media, stop reading Facebook posts as "news" and stop getting your facts from random friends or people on the street.

[Anonymous]

finally somebody posts something on here that doesn't kill brain cells to read. :)
I'm not sure who suffers "the most" but people that don't agree that whites suffer a great deal of racism are living blind. Reminds me of the baseball team that had special nights called African American appreciation night, latino appreciation night, and an appreciation night for most any other "minority" group you can think of but when they tried to have a "white appreciation night" they got shut down. When you tell everyone they're allowed to be proud of their race unless they're white, it stinks of racism towards white people. But there will always be those who choose willful ignorance of what's happening in the world or our country.

[ENTP_EMO]

A case of confirmation bias

The tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions. In addition, individuals may discredit information that does not support their views. The confirmation bias is related to the concept of cognitive dissonance. Whereby, individuals may reduce inconsistency by searching for information which re-confirms their views

Racism happens to everyone. But white people have the LEAST of it.

[WhitePanther88]

I agree racism goes both ways. The law does not protect white people from being racially abused.

https://youtu.be/qvHNssuqYqc