How to survive a dictatorship: Part 1

[DiegoO]

Surviving a dictatorship is a daily struggle. You need to maintain a low profile, weather you're a foreigner or a national.

Living at the expected standard of a dictatorial government, will assure you certain peace and aloud you to access governmental benefits.

Before anything, you should understand that is easy to live in a dictatorial State, when you submit your "self" to its system of belief. The struggle appears once you realize you're indeed trapped in a country ruled with iron fist, by a party who shatters human rights values.

If you live through the transition, of for example: a country who respects human rights, to a tiranny; you'll be fully aware of the sociopolitic changes. The changes happens slow in some instance and radical in others.

⚠️To born, or grow up as a child in a dictatorship, constitute—in the first place— a problem to identify an authoritarian form of governance.

How to know you're living in a dictatorship?

It's dangerous to consider you're living in one, if you are self absorbed by your own definition of what is dictatorial and what is not.

Use as parameter the right to protest, or your freedom of speech. If you are able to publicly speak out your opinion about something that concerns you, bingo! You are living in a country that respects your individual rights.

The overwhelming fear of thinking about protesting, or the sudden anger of knowing anyone can protest, it's an indicator of a represive State.

Only to clarify: anything that has to do with the promotion of racism, xenophobia, political hate, religious hate, etc; do not align, and will never align with the Constitution of a Nation that values liberty.

[FreyaRed]

You play the dumb sheep to avoid repressions but you're subversive as long as there is no danger to be prosecuted or exposed and enemy of the state.
A bee can't kill a bear alone but thousands of bees which just fly around and annoy the bear while few ones pump their poison in bears blood system will do the job.

I have chosen the bear intentionally since my parents were born under communist dictatorship with puppet government.

[menina]

People who live under dictatorships are brave, but most of the times they have no choice. To some extent, dictatorships remind me of colonialism. In the sense that you can't express your opinions and you have to do what the government says. Not to mention that freedom is a mirage.

[Unit1]

No instructions? Lame and cheap! I'll tell then.

Having escaped a dictatorship shithole country myself I have dedicated all my efforts to pile up money and then flee from the dictatorship ruled country (having also received a job offer in the country I was going to escape to).

How long did it take me? 12 years!

[DiegoO]

It's just part 1

[Lliam]

Which is better of you want to rule a country, dictatorship or the illusion of democracy?

An effective dictatorship controls the narrative, hence the minds of the masses. Then the masses will support persecution of those who are out of step with the "consensus"/question authority.

[DiegoO]

Wait for Part 2

[OlderAndWiser]

I think it is impossible for Americans to understand life living in a dictatorship.

[DiegoO]

For sure. The US has a strong democratic culture.

[strateguy632]

you mean government type but we already lost free speech here when facebook censoring spilled into dialogue in u. s. and not just grammar police but shouting and cancel culture.
, and whatsapp and even microsoft collaborative documents. sigh.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@DiegoO It is eroding. We have a weaponized legal system meant to keep the same branch of elite in power and all our media is influenced by the same one man (George Soros)

[DiegoO]

@WhiteBoyChill Sti more solid than many other countries.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Arguably still in decline though. And bound to get worse with time

[Zer0kay]

@strateguy632 your constitutional rights are not guaranteed by private companies. The constitution is supposed to be a leash on the government not on people or businesses. Now if someone somehow gets social media recognized as town squares then they'd be held to the 1st amendment.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Zer0kay It’s still just a shitty environment alltogether though. Why is it that all the media and institutions have to be that way?

[strateguy632]

sadly we lost that, i mean people shout angrily about the 'wrong words' or opinions.

even INDIRECT stuff gets censored by misused authority on most websites. or super sensitive about offensive, when people should stop being whiny cry babies about harmless words... except inciting revenge... which is harmful, should get censored but that is protecte instead of opinions.

i spend lots of time on 8kun and similarworlds where we can only report real crimes. so my stuff has never been censored. at those sites.

[goaded]

LOL at all the Americans pretending they're already in a dictatorship rather than eagerly anticipating one. Being shouted at for saying disgusting things or being arrested for doing illegal things is nothing like being under a dictatorship.

[Snakeyes7]

That is exactly what happens under a authoritarian dictatorship only when you vastly expand what is considered a "disgusting thing" to say or what things are illegal.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 No it's not. It's freedom of speech.

Fascists say things like this: "@mehdirhasan is now on my Lists 2 (indict), 4 (detain), 6 (denaturalize), and 3 (deport)," (former Gorsuch law clerk touted as Trump’s next attorney-general, Mike Davis)

[Snakeyes7]

So you're telling me that fascists believe in freedom of speech even the Mussolini is infamous for slaughtering his political opponents?

Also that second paragraph just sounds like the process of deporting a naturalized citizen that has committed a crime worthy of deportation. That has been something that has existed long before Trump and still exist today, in fact Biden wanted to deport a German family for fleeing to the US and arrived illegally (which is supposedly why he wants to deport them and not the hundreds of thousands who cross the southern border as if it never existed) to homeschool their children because homeschooling is forbidden in Germany. i think it is because he plans on forbidding homeschooling as well.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 No, I'm telling you that shouting at someone for saying disgusting things is freedom of speech, and I'm showing you what Trump's potential AG wants to do to someone who said something mean about Trump, which is absolutely not "a crime worthy of deportation". Using the law to attack your enemies on trumped up charges is something fascists do.

[Snakeyes7]

Yes but that's is not what "hate speech" laws are. It is criminal punishment for whatever "hate speech" means at that moment of time because a term like that is so subjective that it can fit anything. In fact we call the innocuous things that the establishment wants to demonize "microaggressions." The US doesn't have that to my knowledge but the people who abhor Trump love these laws so I think this is projection. Especially since, the idea that Trump will start WW3 was one of the things that people have feared about Trump and look where that got us with Biden.

I don't trust what the media says about Trump anymore becuase not only did none of their predictions become true for Trump, it more or less became true when the party they want gains power.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 We weren't talking about hate speech laws, you don't have them in the US anyway. What we were talking about was how someone shortlisted for Trump's next AG is talking about abusing his position to target and deport a brown American journalist, for what he's said. Name one way Garland has even suggested anything remotely similar.

[Snakeyes7]

I was using them as examples because I am sure those who have Trump derangement syndrome would love to have in place because they know they cannot win in a fair argument, that's why we have that stuff banned from social media because you wouldn't have to do that if you know that the ideology has no merit on its own.

I am no fan of Garland either, I think Trump made a mistake to hire the guy.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 Trump didn't hire Garland. There are no "fair arguments" going on right now, you've got one side that cares about facts and evidence and you've got the other making shit up and shouting it from the rooftops incessantly.

[Snakeyes7]

Of that's all they are then why ban them? Just ignore or block them. Banning them won't convince them that they are full of it, it'll just drive them further underground.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 There's no need for that, just for decent leadership standing up for what's right and refusing to tolerate nonsense. I preferred it when the racists and fascists in America knew that expressing their opinions would get them ostracized. Nowadays they get invited back onto Twitter to spew their venom.

[Snakeyes7]

Those who rely on corporations to silence people they don't like fit the definition of fascists far better than those anti-globalists who ended up getting censored.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 You totally ignored the part about how political leaders are supposed to reduce division in the country, not encourage it. That's the fascist way.

[Snakeyes7]

How did Trump encourage division? All this panic over him was over things he hasn't even done but what the media says he will do. I remember people have said on Twitter that he is going to round up the gays and put them in camps in 2016, that didn't happen. In 2020 there were fears at he would start international conflict worthy of a world war, despite Trump doing the Abraham accords which is the complete opposite, and oops Biden did that. At this point I can't take MSM criticism of Trump seriously.

What about Biden? He has used unity for his campaign and now that he was elected he has done nothing but tow the establishment line which was to demonize the people with populist or libertarian ideal. You aren't willing to call him a fascist are you? I would agree with you if you do because he fits the definition of a fascist based on your definition and was the closest we have ever had to Mussolini in terms of how closely he directly worked with the syndicates (corporations in this case).

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 "How did Trump encourage division?" Through childish name-calling, encouragement of political violence, lying about everything from the size of his inauguration crowd to the validity of the 2020 election, refusing to peacefully hand over power, refusing to accept the results of the election he lost...

"What about Biden? He has used unity for his campaign and now that he was elected he has done nothing but tow the establishment line which was to demonize the people with populist or libertarian ideal."
Funnily enough, a large part of the country likes a competent government that doesn't get shut down by people who have no solutions to offer, just tantrums. How do you unify with people who are lying about you all the time? People who won't accept facts they don't like, even if they're being told them by Republican leaders?

"You aren't willing to call him a fascist are you?"
Of course not. He's not trying to destroy American democracy, he's not casting doubt on the electoral process, he hasn't done anything impeachable.

ISTR that Biden stopped a rail workers' strike that would have crippled the economy, and then got the workers what they were asking for. Then there's the standing on a picket line with the UAW. Support for unions is not something fascists are known for.

[Snakeyes7]

>Through childish name-calling, encouragement of political violence, lying about everything from the size of his inauguration crowd to the validity of the 2020 election

Welcome to American politics in the 21st century, you're just now tuning in?

>refusing to peacefully hand over power, refusing to accept the results of the election he lost...

Something he is well within his right to do, which is to engage in his right to petition the government for a redress of grievances. I think he is wasting his time because the premise as to what scummy games were afoot are incorrect but he is still has the right to do it as did Clinton, Gore and Kerry did.

>How do you unify with people who are lying about you all the time? People who won't accept facts they don't like, even if they're being told them by Republican leaders?

That's a very good question why don't you ask the FBI who has literally deemed anyone who isn't a liberal as terrorists? That's at least half of the country.

>Of course not. He's not trying to destroy American democracy

We were never a democracy so you are already wrong there. Also, Trump isn't trying to remove people from the ballot for crimes that hasn't advanced past the allegation stage, Biden and the establishment is.

>he's not casting doubt on the electoral process
Not according to the Twitter files thay proved the government was involved in the censoring of the laptop story only to admit it was true after the election happened, the Time magazine article taking about the cabal of elites that "fortified" the 2020 election, the locking of people in their homes while the mainstream media shoved "orange man bad" down everyone's throats, the fact that some states were conducting voting policies like ballot harvesting that are illegal to do in others, Biden's campaign paid bail for all the BLM rioters that were caught by police that actually cared that the buildings in the cities were being torched and people getting murdered and much more.

[Snakeyes7]

Biden might not be directly involved in those but those are acts done by the establishment in which Biden is a part of.

>he hasn't done anything impeachable.

I heavily beg to differ. The whole Biden presidency was chock full of impeachable offenses, some of which I have said before, that no one has the balls to do anything about.

>Support for unions is not something fascists are known for.

Are you fucking kidding me? Trade unions are what was the "bundle (which is translated to "fascio" in Italian) of sticks" analogy was a reference for. Fascism literally means "trade unionism" so that is complete and total bull.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 What a load of twaddle. The election was finished, it was fair, the VP had no right to "send the results back to the states", to delay the count, or to do anything but count the votes.

They knew this. At 11:44pm on Jan 6, a Trump co-conspirator emailed Pence to say: "I implore you to consider one more relatively minor violation [of the ECA] and adjourn for 10 days...".

Do you know what a "violation" of a law is? It's called breaking the law. It would also have been a massive assault on the constitution and Pence would have been breaking his oath (as Trump was doing).

The states could not in ten days have found anything they haven't found in three years. It was all an illegal attempt to keep Trump in power.

And if you think Trump is anything like any previous president, you're crazier than I thought.

[Snakeyes7]

If they have all this proof, why did the federal courts acquit him? You wouldn't have to try to kick him down to the state level if they didn't acquit him.

You're right, he wasn't like any previous president. That's why the politicians who want to use 1984 as an instruction manual are enraged at the very thought of orange man.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 "why did the federal courts acquit him?" What are you talking about? The Jan 6 trial hasn't even started yet. Nor has the documents one, but that's because the judge he appointed is stretching things out as long as she can (she's already been admonished by an appeals court for doing something similar earlier in the case).

Trump's already been found guilty in the NY fraud case, and the Georgia election interference RICO case hasn't started its trial yet, either.

He hasn't been aquitted on any indictments, afaik.

[Snakeyes7]

Oh right, didn't they set the date to oh-so-conveniently fall on the day before Super Tuesday? Yeah that doesn't sound suspicious at all.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 To be clear, you agree that your "why did the federal courts acquit him?" was totally wrong, and we're moving on to other things that don't include the court cases he's been found guilty in. (The NY fraud case, and sexual assault (rape) and repeated defamation in a civil case.)

Guess what, I'm sure the court would be willing to bring the trial forward if Trump asked. The documents case, in particular, should only take a week or two. Why not get it over with?

[Snakeyes7]

Christ, you guys have such a hate boner for the guy that I can't even keep track of the number of retarded lawsuits you have him under, despite many other politicians needing way more.

So he was found guilty of rape huh? I'm sure that wasn't a sham trial like they did for Weinstein or Cosby where it was just letting the alleged victims speak and the courts said "eh, good enough, he's guilty." I bet the rest of those trials went the same way.

They don't have the balls to lock him away though. Even if that doesn't garner even more support for him over the belief that Trump would be a political prisoner and successfully remove him from the ballot, the left's precious "orange man bad" channels would lose nearly all the support it had left after a massive decline in viewership within the Biden years (just ask CNN how CNN+ is doing). If Musk hasn't swooped in to save Twitter, that would have been destroyed too because there would no longer be a "literally hitler" to bitch an moan about.

>Guess what, I'm sure the court would be willing to bring the trial forward if Trump asked.

What makes you think they would actually give it to him?

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 You agree that you were absolutely wrong when you said "why did the federal courts acquit [Trump]?", right? It hasn't happened. There's no point in continuing this conversation without that admission of fact.

[Snakeyes7]

I guess?

Why didn't we begin with that in that case? A lot of what Trump was accused of were national level issues.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 Yes, and he's still accused of them because the process is still ongoing. Having massive amounts of money means that you can pay lawyers to delay court cases for years. In the documents case, he's being assisted by the judge he appointed, but the Jan 6 federal case is scheduled for March next year, iirc.

Georgia has a separate case under their RICO act, and a couple of accused have already pleaded guilty.

New York has already found Trump and sons guilty of fraud, the only question left is how much they have to pay.

[Snakeyes7]

Remember when the establishment gave Trump shit for "going after a political rival" in early 2020 when he called Ukraine to investigate Burisma even though Biden wasn't running at the time?

What is the left's excuse for doing this same exact thing that you falsely accused Trump of doing all those years ago? All these trials over these crimes that he supposedly (i say that because the left is not known for their fair trials when it benefits them) committed seem to

[Snakeyes7]

Just oh so conveniently pop up even though everyone knows he is running for president.

[goaded]

That was because Trump really was going after a likely political rival. He didn't ask for an investigation into Burisma or Hunter, or anyone else for that matter, he asked for an ANNOUNCEMENT of an investigation into Joe Biden. Similar to his "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen,"

Trump doesn't give a shit about evidence or guilt, he wants propaganda to use to hold or gain power. And it works: you were persuaded to believe a federal court had aquitted Trump. That was pure bullshit.

None of the cases against Trump are particularly new, and many more cases should have been brought (like his multiple obstructions of the Mueller investigation). Four or five other states should have brought the same case as Georgia, since they all had a conspiracy to fraudulently create fake electors so that Pence could "just say" that the results were disputed.

[Snakeyes7]

Even so, why is all this ok when the left does this despite Trump being the political frontrunner of the Republican party which is well beyond a potential political rival?

They are doing the very same thing they accused Trump of doing. They are being fascists by their very own definition.

[goaded]

@Snakeyes7 No, because, again, there is huge amounts of something we call "evidence" that Trump is guilty of all the things he's accused of that have led to his many indictments. If there is evidence, that's the rule of law, if there is none, that is propaganda.

Take, for example, the attempt to impeach President Joe Biden for citizen Biden getting repaid money was owed from family members (in one case it turns out, ironically, it was for the exact same amount Comer lent his brother).

Contrast that with Trump lying about election fraud for over a decade, only pausing to declare that his election was perfect.
"... as early as November 2012, the defendant issued a public tweet making baseless claims that voting machines had switched votes from then-candidate Romney to then-candidate Obama. During the 2016 presidential campaign, the defendant claimed repeatedly, with no basis, that there was widespread voter fraud—including through public statements and tweets (for instance, on October 17, 2016, tweeting, “Of course there is large scale fraud happening on and before election day. Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive!”). The defendant’s false claims about the 2012 and 2016 elections are admissible because they demonstrate the defendant’s common plan of falsely blaming fraud for election results he does not like, as well as his motive, intent, and plan to obstruct the certification of the 2020 election results and illegitimately retain power"
storage.courtlistener.com/.../....258148.176.0.pdf

[Snakeyes7]

I completely agree. Those who grew up without freedom will never know what it is like to be free.

[FunkyMonkee]

We've been doing pretty good the past 3 years but things are going to shit pretty fast!!

[exitseven]

I will always be one of the resistance.

[RoronoaZoro8]

Just set up your own government.

[legalboxers]

is this a forshadow of whats coming

[Joker_]

thanks lol, on my way to survive rn