After reading an article about an American woman being restrained while giving birth in a prison-hospital, I got the impression of some states in the US are overusing it and are too obsessed with punishing criminals that they forgets they're humans. US sometimes forgets the human rights although it's a Western first world country I think. I'm very glad they don't use restraints as often in my country Norway and prisoners giving birth gets treated like free people during the birth-process. Psychiatry staffs usually tries to talk to the patients to calm them down before using physical force in my country. #PhysicalRestraint#HandCuffs#Restraints Some US inmates are shackled to the bed while giving birth
Not in my admittedly limited experience. In the psychiatric hospital I worked at chemical restraints were used far more often than physical ones in order to inhibit violent tendencies. If a patient was getting violent or appeared to be a danger to self or others we had counseling tactics to use first. If the patient grew increasingly agitated or dangerous we would wait and monitor behavior. If the dangerous behavior continued we would then contact a doctor and inform them of the behavior and request medication to help (if they didn't have something already prescribed), and we would then ask the patient to if they wanted to take it and inform them of what it would do. If the patient refused we would wait a while longer and continue trying to placate the patient to ensure that every method was used and the behavior was significantly dangerous to require the use of involuntary chemical restraints (typically 5:2:25 injection). If the patient takes willingly then all is well. If the patient refuses and keeps engaging in dangerous behavior then we will give it against their will and move them to a seclusion room for the safety of themselves and other patients and assign a 1:1 staff to pt ratio for the duration of their seclusion. Normally that would be it and we would work to reintegrate a patient with the general population as quickly and safely as possible. If however they still continue to engage in harmful behaviors (bashing head on floor, punching walls, tearing at skin etc) then we would have to move to physical restraints.
So all that's to say is that they were not overused at all. In fact I had several situations in which I thought that restraints should have been used earlier, but due to our desire to treat patients with the greatest care possible we withheld.
I work in a jail and prison (depending on assignment for the rotation) in the U. S. To be honest, there are so many things that go into the decision on the use of restraints that it can baffle the mind. Policies, Procedures, safety, criminal history, violence history while incarcerated, etc. We seriously prefer to not use restraints if they are not needed. They build resistance between the inmates and the officers. The less we use them, the violence between inmates and officers occurs less. We have had inmates stage suicide attempts in order to be transported to a hospital and then attempt an escape. Not only do they put hospital staff at risk, they also place those requiring medical assistance at risk. So, restraints are now required, because of those few idiots. We have had inmates attempt to stab officers during movements between housing areas because they did not 'like' the officer (pick a disrespect). Now, all movements require restraints. We have inmates with multiple homicide convictions. They demonstrate with multiple violent attacks on other inmates, and officers, they cannot be trusted. They do not leave their cell without restraints. If there was another way, I'm all for it. We used to not use restraints as much as we do now. But, as the criminal population becomes more brazen, we simply do not have any other choice.
You seem bent on promoting Norway and bashing the United States without foundation. You are seriously comparing your experience in a mental hospital with a prison infirmary, and think involuntarily introducing chemicals into an inmates body is OK but using non-invasive restraints for the safety of both the staff and inmates is inhumane? As one respondent pointed out, this is not routinely done. Truth is with a lot of corrections facilities here, it’s more like adult day care where inmates have more rights than the corrections officers. Stop relying on extreme cases.
A lot of Autistic kids actually find it comforting being wrapped tightly like that. It helps them calm down. An autistic woman invented this machine that hugs the person tight on both sides. They don't like human contact so the blanket or the hugging machine comforts them without a human touching them like a lot of neurotypicals desire.
To what I've heard they don't but the blanket are wrapped so tightly they're unable to move. To what I heard they use it to calm the patient but there's no proves it work, this technic is also seens as "barbaric" in a lot of countries and very fews still use it if I'm not mistaken.
When people are restrained in hospitals, it's because their brains are malfunctioning in some way that makes them dangerous to themselves or others. They might be recovering from some terrible accident and keep trying to climb out of bed when they have two broken legs, and spilling themselves on the floor and smacking their head even more.
Do you really want some nurse to have to stand there and wrestle with them every day, all day long, or do you wanna just tie him to the fuckin' bed for a couple hours at a time.
People see a patient being restrained and they think it's some 18th century gothic horrorshow shit, and it's like, "Well you fuckin' stand here and hold on to him then, fucker! Oh, you've got better things to do? Yeah, so does EVERYBODY, that's why velcro straps were invented."
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Well if you think about it, if they’re not being constrained, what’s stopping that prisoner from just escaping. In Norway I assume the respect between officers and prisoners is higher than respect in the US. I watched a whole documentary on prisons in Germany and already it was completely different. The prison system in the US, in my opinion, is fucked, it’s corrupt and can’t be trusted. It would take a long time to build trust and fix our prison system and if we were able to get to a place where we didn’t have to constrain our prisoners during things such as birth I think that would be great however the way things are now, I just don’t think that would be safe for anybody.
But in the U. S., birthings usually happen in hospitals. Transporting an inmate presents a security risk and an escape risk, hence the use of restraints.
You don't usually hear about it on the news. But every year hundreds of inmates successfully escape because they weren't restrained. If you give them an inch, they could take a mile.
I've never heard of this so I can't really address it other than generally. That picture looks like a regular hospital. So those restraints are likely the only security they have to prevent her from escaping.
I have no idea how common this is. I suspect it's pretty darn rare. But without having any more info, I don't have a problem with it.
I don't know how much it is used here in Denmark but at least from what I do know it does not seem that excessive I don't believe your example from the US would happen here They do in the US have a tendency to dehumanize prisoners I guess it makes it easier to treat them like animals and just wash it away with notions of them deserving it because they are criminals
Denmark and Sweden are quite similar to Norway. They may use physical restraints in severe cases, but it's relative rare compared to many other countries in the world. Norwegian, Swedish and Danish prisons, hospitals etc. are also similar.
Yeah I know the Scandinavian way is similar But I have little specific knowledge about it So I can just infer from our general culture I know our penal systems actually generally listens to all the research that keeps saying harsher and longer punishments are not deterrents and only tends to lock people in in a circle crime and incarceration But when you privatize prisons that becomes a good money making scheme I suppose
Depending on the person giving birth she could be incredibly dangerous and the criminal is being restrained for the safety of the doctor. These people are criminals, if they wanted to be treated better they shouldn't have done something to be put in jail. You'll get no pity from me for criminals.
because a women pushes a child out her body doesn't mean she is a changed killer, thief, etc. The US is suppose to be interested in punishing criminals.
My friend just got out of the psych ward and she said that if someone was making too much noise or the staff just didn’t want to deal with them, they’d either sedate them or restrain them, even if they aren’t being violent. It’s pretty screwed up.
Restraints no, brutal force yes. (only) Male convicts may be caned (basically whipped with a long, thin wooden rod). It leaves permanent scars. Females are not given this treatment.
ok one the U. S. does not do that 2 it depends on the women is she crazy or is she normal and also for atlanta we dont do that we tend to talk to the patiences first
"Private healthcare insurances" is a "foreign" word in Norway. We've an universal healthcare and since the majority of the Norwegian population are social-democrats, I doubt there would be anything American here. Norwegians often use the word "Amerikanske tilstander" directly translated to "American conditions" as a word to scare each other with.
But Norway do however have other insurance companies. We've car, house and vacation insurances. They're private, but strictly regulated. Suing is more common in the US than Norway. It's because of the US having a different system and values.
i think that may have something to do with it. in the US the doctors who deliver the babies tend to be private doctors and not government employees. so if the prisoner were to assault them they could sue. hence the restraints
Im an emt and sometimes patients get combative so we restrain them but I hate doing it but in prisons for non violent offenders yes we use them too much
Yes and no depending on the background of the person and how they react to pain and conflict if they could potentially hurt themselves or others yes they should be restrained pure common sense.
So you think it's right to end people's lives just because someone else did something wrong? If ending lives in general speaking are wrong and people can end up in prison for that, then doing it in prison shouldn't be legal either. That would be double standard. It shouldn't matter which age the person are. Life is a life.
@weasley8, Prisons are sex separated which mean males and females goes to different prisons, so male prisoners impregnating female prisoners wouldn't be an issue. So sterilization isn't necessary. So forcing people to undergo an uncomfortable permanent procedure is unnecessary and going too far - especially when there's other solutions at the problem.
I know that. But there's no reason to abort babies either. It was a hypothetical question. The baby is usually taken away from the woman anyway once she gives birth. There's no reason to get rid of it. She's being punished more than enough by not being able to raise the kid from birth. Sterilization was just the closest comparison I could find, as men cannot get pregnant. I wanted to see how the asker would respond.
I'm pro-life; against abortion. I don't support self-determined abortions at all. I've never accepted it. I don't think children should be punished for something someone else have done. If children are raised in a good environment, there's a lower chance of them becoming criminals. Often children of criminals gets raised by their grandparents, aunts/uncles, friends of the criminal or gets adopted by someone else.
No. Just because you can take it away does not mean it's a privilege. It means that right should be protected. I don't know where you are but in the US it IS an undeniable right. Hence why murderers are in jail.
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