Look society is fill with shitty people, I love how people try to spin that all police, white people, black people, brown people, xy and z is bad. Just because of a few shitty people, not every cop is a evil cop but as a society we love giving the assholes the attention and ignore the good deeds of everyone else.
Not all the time, when they tell me they respond to a domestic call only to find a crack head has drowned his two year old son in a toilet, I feel something for them, but honestly they are often just cunts, and it is an institution that has always been associated with corruption, that's why a society needs multiple layers of not just law enforcement, but institutions with a social conscience, that monitor what takes place in their communities, because you can't trust a police force, A) to do their job properly, B) to even care about the populace that they are supposed to protect.
I’d say so, only because I’ve never had a major issue with police. But that could also be because I’m white, female, and I don’t do shit that’s clearly illegal or hang around sketchy people. The only time police have approached me was for traffic related stuff.
I do. Do you trust Union teachers not to teach your children to be anti-American and pro Communism? Union teachers do exponentially more harm than a few bad cops.
I don’t really trust anyone. While I respect what LEO’s do, there are different motivations for doing it. Some to better their communities, other to exert control over others, and some who feel exceptionally self righteous. There aren’t really any ways to exclude the bad players until after the fact.
I don't feel comfortable around them. I feel threatened even though I'm not doing anything wrong. I've been questioned 4 times for taking videos of public transit which is 100% legal according to the rules and regulations of the system. It's annoying. I don't like talking to them. If I find myself in a situation where it's common sense to call police, I will do it and let them take care of the situation.
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Look at it this way, if you start acting nervous around a cop, they'll notice that and become suspicious. They are excellent at reading body language and people who are nervous when cops come along might be up to no good, and you have to understand that.
no, I've never had problems, white, middle class nice person. But I've had enough contact to know their relaity. Do not expect them to rememer exactly what happened or articulate it correctly, they have too many issues going on, restrictions, threats, etc.. As President Trump said to his son... trust noone! he's right.
I never had to talk to an Police officer. But I wouldn't blindly Trust anyone. It depends on the individual. And not all of them do their Job correctly. A friend of mine was stopped by some Police officers cause his Car was supposely to loud. But the Thing is, they meassured the noise with an I Phone App. Which obviously isn't an reliable device. And they accused him of doing a Car race against himself 😐 they even towed His Car so He had to Walk Home. Some people Just abuse their power
Trust is not given but earned. No. They are a stranger as I see it. And just because they wear a badge makes them no greater than you or I-THEY ARE HUMAN WITH SAME QUALITIES AND FLAWS WE ALL HAVE AND EXHIBIT, or because they swoar an oath their word more valuable. Study police history since beginning times and public trust and why. They think everyone is guilty. And generally recruit people with lower i. q. s as they are more likely to conform without question rather than deviate from a policy and or procedure. They ought to be peace keepers of the people, for the people -it is rather quite more complex, as they back legislative pencils by enforcement -which is really sometimes what may need to be in question, perhaps in some areas more than others, some people more than others, just as some have proved themselves and are truly heroes of the people. They are no more or less valuable or credible than you or I. We can all get badges and swear oaths.
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Option C Hell no!
I am lucky enough to live in the UK where there is at least a legal framework which theoretically is something vaguely fair and trying to do the right thing mostly.
But trust the police?
Are you fucking mental?
Tell them NOTHING.
Am i being detained / am i free to go?
If you are free to go then leave.
If you are being detained KEEP YOUR STUPID MOUTH SHUT and get legal help.
I feel using the term Police holds accountability to all law enforcement and is to broad. I don’t trust anyone until I’ve done my homework or talked with them. All organizations have the corrupt so saying you don’t trust the Police just bc 1 or 2 you ever knew made a mistake is ridiculous. That’s like hating teachers bc you had 1 bad teacher in your 12-16 years of school.
I do encounter the cops a lot, I'd say a large majority are pretty human, there's always a couple that just don't give a shit and you can tell they are trigger happy.
The vast majority though I'd say are good people. All it takes is a couple bad apples to ruin the bunch.
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I want you to play a game with someone. First, make a fake gun with your hand, have a friend stand in front of you with their back turned. Give them a toy gun and have them quickly spin around towards you without telling you when and say "bang" when you see the gun. I'm willing to bet you'll either say "bang" as soon as you see the motion or end up with the gun pointed at you because you hesitated. Cops aren't trigger happy, you're asking them to do something that isn't possible.
I should of clarified, I meant trigger happy as never de-escalating the situation or going way above and beyond.
I had enough army training to where I wouldn't hesitate thank god though. I do see your point, a lot of cops never served and you can tell which ones sometimes.
What do you mean by asking something that isn't possible?
They can't determine if the person spinning around like that has a weapon or not until they are completely turned around, but by then, the perpetrator had a wide open opportunity to shoot the officer. If they did that, we'd just see a spike in officer fatalities and criminals getting away and staying on the streets.
yeah but some scenarios where it's only one criminal why not just use the taser? Obviously the times where the guy actually doesn't have a gun and gets it wrong now it's making news, where as most of the he probably did make the right move. I feel like a strong taser could fix that scenario.
Tasers are only at best 65% effective, but they have to be in range and if you miss or it doesn't take them down, now what? If they're armed, the officer is as good as dead.
yeah man I'm just thinking, I mean regular rounds is a surefire way, but I always think of tranq rounds might be a solution too. I mean don't get me wrong some people just love killing and that's really the solid answer, I would just love to find a way to where not everyone has to die all the time.
I trust and distrust them same as anyone else. 'Police' is a person and has an own individual character. The 'good' policemen/women: as those (similar to military and 'good citizens') are people who don't question 'the System' and who more or less stiffly worship 'the rules' - I prefer to keep them on distance. Some are corrupt or abusive; of course I DON'T trust those.
No way. It's legal for them to lie to you, false arrests and excessive use of force are common occurrences and they are trigger-happy, not too mention the enormous deference given them, which goes to their head.
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They're not trigger happy at all, rapid motion of the suspected perpetrator left them with two options, wait until they turn around to see if it's a gun, giving the person time to shoot the officers, or not take the chance of letting a potentially violent perpetrator kill an officer and get away. If you were a cop, you responded to a disturbance, and someone quickly spun around to face you, what would you do?
I would like to see neighborhoods two years after police are no longer in place for those that don’t want police. Murder, mayhem and chaos. You know... kinda like Blatimaore , Chicago and Detroit but worse. 😀😆😂
That's pretty messed up considering how well trained police and doctors are in those places. Also that's exactly when the 2nd amendment should come into play so you wishing death on others is pretty messed up.
I think you need to read the SCOTUS case Warren vs the District of Columbia then rethink why people don't trust cops. That decision is now federal law by the way. And this year SCOTUS made Nieves v. Bartlett another pro cop decision (now you can't sue an officer for a retaliatory arrest, exact words, as long as they can find some justification for the arrest. It's purposefully ambiguous so if you film a cop he can throw you in jail for as little as loitering or drinking in public, like say at a sports event)
@Hypnos0929 I don’t wish death on them, I just expect it. And why shouldn’t I? Tonight there will be lots of murders in cities full of cop hating people who won’t even give information on the criminals in their neighborhood and who will actively hinder police. They hate the cops but their own neighbors are killing them left and right while making it unsafe for their kids too. If they worked with the cops and supported them they would be safer... since they don’t, and I don’t care about some court cases that those people never heard of, then let them live in there own man made hell.
With all due respect it isn't just a social stigma keeping people speaking to cops. It's the fact that police have shown us time and time again they aren't here to protect people, they're here to enforce the law. I mean read Warren vs the District of Columbia. Those women were raped and beaten for literally hours and the cops got off like it was nothing even after the received 3 calls from a neighbor and dispatch sent them 3 times. I think Huey sums up "snitching" perfectly https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Piq4JWkd9UI&t=2s
Sure not snitching is bad but can you seriously say you'd rat out a killer if it meant there's a 90% chance the police will drop you off at home where you're probably going to get killed? Criminals simply don't care and cops don't care either.
Depends on the situation... if one shows up to my house randomly I don’t trust him till I get his badge number and confirm with the department that he is a real police and they have proof of him being at my home. It Kinda just depends but overall I trust them
Good point. This is what drives me nuts about the movie Home Alone - how did those parents just accept that the random guy in a cop uniform was a real cop? (He was a burglar who was casing out the joint and later returned to break in...)
@CanadaGirl91 ya exactly you can't trust the uniform you can trust a confirmed badge number lol but unfortunately a lot of people don't know that you don't have to let a cop in without proof he is a real cop unless they have a warrant for your arrest or a search warrant
While I have had positive experiences with them the overwhelming majority of them are negative. I'm on my the edge of my seat around them and even if im not doing anything, my heart races.
I've been assaulted by them, wrongfully detained, threatened by them, had one of their devil dogs sent on me for mistaken identity and had to take him to court, I've been acosted in my own neighborhood feet from my own apartment!!!
I'm white by the way, so no it's not because of my race.
I trust them.. if I had to defend a wounded officer from an assailant I would do that with out thinking twice. They are people just like the rest of us. Except they do a very dangerous job. They never know how the person in the car they just stopped is going to act. I don't think that I could do that job.
The problem isn't police, it's the laws they enforce and the lack of accountability. A malicious cop is one who enforces unjust laws. A bad cop is one who doesn't in force all laws. It is literately impossible to be "good" cop.
Utter nonsense. You should have nothing to do with these evil beings. Don't call them when you hear someone breaking into your place. Just reason with them.
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Look society is fill with shitty people, I love how people try to spin that all police, white people, black people, brown people, xy and z is bad. Just because of a few shitty people, not every cop is a evil cop but as a society we love giving the assholes the attention and ignore the good deeds of everyone else.
Not all the time, when they tell me they respond to a domestic call only to find a crack head has drowned his two year old son in a toilet, I feel something for them, but honestly they are often just cunts, and it is an institution that has always been associated with corruption, that's why a society needs multiple layers of not just law enforcement, but institutions with a social conscience, that monitor what takes place in their communities, because you can't trust a police force, A) to do their job properly, B) to even care about the populace that they are supposed to protect.
I’d say so, only because I’ve never had a major issue with police. But that could also be because I’m white, female, and I don’t do shit that’s clearly illegal or hang around sketchy people. The only time police have approached me was for traffic related stuff.
I do. Do you trust Union teachers not to teach your children to be anti-American and pro Communism? Union teachers do exponentially more harm than a few bad cops.
I couldn't agree with you more
I don’t really trust anyone. While I respect what LEO’s do, there are different motivations for doing it. Some to better their communities, other to exert control over others, and some who feel exceptionally self righteous. There aren’t really any ways to exclude the bad players until after the fact.
Well put
I don't feel comfortable around them. I feel threatened even though I'm not doing anything wrong. I've been questioned 4 times for taking videos of public transit which is 100% legal according to the rules and regulations of the system. It's annoying. I don't like talking to them. If I find myself in a situation where it's common sense to call police, I will do it and let them take care of the situation.
Look at it this way, if you start acting nervous around a cop, they'll notice that and become suspicious. They are excellent at reading body language and people who are nervous when cops come along might be up to no good, and you have to understand that.
no, I've never had problems, white, middle class nice person. But I've had enough contact to know their relaity. Do not expect them to rememer exactly what happened or articulate it correctly, they have too many issues going on, restrictions, threats, etc.. As President Trump said to his son... trust noone! he's right.
I never had to talk to an Police officer. But I wouldn't blindly Trust anyone. It depends on the individual. And not all of them do their Job correctly. A friend of mine was stopped by some Police officers cause his Car was supposely to loud. But the Thing is, they meassured the noise with an I Phone App. Which obviously isn't an reliable device. And they accused him of doing a Car race against himself 😐 they even towed His Car so He had to Walk Home. Some people Just abuse their power
I'm pretty sure your friend didn't give the whole story there.
@spartan55 I Trust my friend
Trust is not given but earned. No. They are a stranger as I see it. And just because they wear a badge makes them no greater than you or I-THEY ARE HUMAN WITH SAME QUALITIES AND FLAWS WE ALL HAVE AND EXHIBIT, or because they swoar an oath their word more valuable. Study police history since beginning times and public trust and why. They think everyone is guilty. And generally recruit people with lower i. q. s as they are more likely to conform without question rather than deviate from a policy and or procedure. They ought to be peace keepers of the people, for the people -it is rather quite more complex, as they back legislative pencils by enforcement -which is really sometimes what may need to be in question, perhaps in some areas more than others, some people more than others, just as some have proved themselves and are truly heroes of the people. They are no more or less valuable or credible than you or I. We can all get badges and swear oaths.
Option C Hell no!
I am lucky enough to live in the UK where there is at least a legal framework which theoretically is something vaguely fair and trying to do the right thing mostly.
But trust the police?
Are you fucking mental?
Tell them NOTHING.
Am i being detained / am i free to go?
If you are free to go then leave.
If you are being detained KEEP YOUR STUPID MOUTH SHUT and get legal help.
I feel using the term Police holds accountability to all law enforcement and is to broad. I don’t trust anyone until I’ve done my homework or talked with them. All organizations have the corrupt so saying you don’t trust the Police just bc 1 or 2 you ever knew made a mistake is ridiculous. That’s like hating teachers bc you had 1 bad teacher in your 12-16 years of school.
I do encounter the cops a lot, I'd say a large majority are pretty human, there's always a couple that just don't give a shit and you can tell they are trigger happy.
The vast majority though I'd say are good people. All it takes is a couple bad apples to ruin the bunch.
I want you to play a game with someone. First, make a fake gun with your hand, have a friend stand in front of you with their back turned. Give them a toy gun and have them quickly spin around towards you without telling you when and say "bang" when you see the gun. I'm willing to bet you'll either say "bang" as soon as you see the motion or end up with the gun pointed at you because you hesitated. Cops aren't trigger happy, you're asking them to do something that isn't possible.
I should of clarified, I meant trigger happy as never de-escalating the situation or going way above and beyond.
I had enough army training to where I wouldn't hesitate thank god though. I do see your point, a lot of cops never served and you can tell which ones sometimes.
What do you mean by asking something that isn't possible?
They can't determine if the person spinning around like that has a weapon or not until they are completely turned around, but by then, the perpetrator had a wide open opportunity to shoot the officer. If they did that, we'd just see a spike in officer fatalities and criminals getting away and staying on the streets.
yeah but some scenarios where it's only one criminal why not just use the taser? Obviously the times where the guy actually doesn't have a gun and gets it wrong now it's making news, where as most of the he probably did make the right move. I feel like a strong taser could fix that scenario.
Tasers are only at best 65% effective, but they have to be in range and if you miss or it doesn't take them down, now what? If they're armed, the officer is as good as dead.
yeah man I'm just thinking, I mean regular rounds is a surefire way, but I always think of tranq rounds might be a solution too. I mean don't get me wrong some people just love killing and that's really the solid answer, I would just love to find a way to where not everyone has to die all the time.
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Try to watch some police body cam videos on YouTube. It will show how limited tasers are.
@spartan55 Yeah but there are actually strong ass tasers out there, I don't know why the cops get the schnickelfritz ones
I trust and distrust them same as anyone else.
'Police' is a person and has an own individual character.
The 'good' policemen/women: as those (similar to military and 'good citizens') are people who don't question 'the System' and who more or less stiffly worship 'the rules' - I prefer to keep them on distance.
Some are corrupt or abusive; of course I DON'T trust those.
No way. It's legal for them to lie to you, false arrests and excessive use of force are common occurrences and they are trigger-happy, not too mention the enormous deference given them, which goes to their head.
They're not trigger happy at all, rapid motion of the suspected perpetrator left them with two options, wait until they turn around to see if it's a gun, giving the person time to shoot the officers, or not take the chance of letting a potentially violent perpetrator kill an officer and get away. If you were a cop, you responded to a disturbance, and someone quickly spun around to face you, what would you do?
I'd develop better procedures for approaching people. Maybe ask German cops how they do it.
And I won't even get into the good old boy networks that are rife in a lot of departments.
Just to give you one example:
www.ksat.com/.../
Doesn't evoke trust in me.
I would like to see neighborhoods two years after police are no longer in place for those that don’t want police. Murder, mayhem and chaos. You know... kinda like Blatimaore , Chicago and Detroit but worse. 😀😆😂
That's pretty messed up considering how well trained police and doctors are in those places.
Also that's exactly when the 2nd amendment should come into play so you wishing death on others is pretty messed up.
I think you need to read the SCOTUS case Warren vs the District of Columbia then rethink why people don't trust cops. That decision is now federal law by the way. And this year SCOTUS made Nieves v. Bartlett another pro cop decision (now you can't sue an officer for a retaliatory arrest, exact words, as long as they can find some justification for the arrest. It's purposefully ambiguous so if you film a cop he can throw you in jail for as little as loitering or drinking in public, like say at a sports event)
@Hypnos0929 I don’t wish death on them, I just expect it. And why shouldn’t I? Tonight there will be lots of murders in cities full of cop hating people who won’t even give information on the criminals in their neighborhood and who will actively hinder police. They hate the cops but their own neighbors are killing them left and right while making it unsafe for their kids too. If they worked with the cops and supported them they would be safer... since they don’t, and I don’t care about some court cases that those people never heard of, then let them live in there own man made hell.
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With all due respect it isn't just a social stigma keeping people speaking to cops. It's the fact that police have shown us time and time again they aren't here to protect people, they're here to enforce the law.
I mean read Warren vs the District of Columbia. Those women were raped and beaten for literally hours and the cops got off like it was nothing even after the received 3 calls from a neighbor and dispatch sent them 3 times.
I think Huey sums up "snitching" perfectly
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Piq4JWkd9UI&t=2s
Sure not snitching is bad but can you seriously say you'd rat out a killer if it meant there's a 90% chance the police will drop you off at home where you're probably going to get killed? Criminals simply don't care and cops don't care either.
Depends on the situation... if one shows up to my house randomly I don’t trust him till I get his badge number and confirm with the department that he is a real police and they have proof of him being at my home. It Kinda just depends but overall I trust them
Good point. This is what drives me nuts about the movie Home Alone - how did those parents just accept that the random guy in a cop uniform was a real cop? (He was a burglar who was casing out the joint and later returned to break in...)
@CanadaGirl91 ya exactly you can't trust the uniform you can trust a confirmed badge number lol but unfortunately a lot of people don't know that you don't have to let a cop in without proof he is a real cop unless they have a warrant for your arrest or a search warrant
@CanadaGirl91 and even then you can still confirm he is a real cop before he comes in lol
Exactly... people have every right to ask for their badge number
@CanadaGirl91 yes ma'am
While I have had positive experiences with them the overwhelming majority of them are negative. I'm on my the edge of my seat around them and even if im not doing anything, my heart races.
I've been assaulted by them, wrongfully detained, threatened by them, had one of their devil dogs sent on me for mistaken identity and had to take him to court, I've been acosted in my own neighborhood feet from my own apartment!!!
I'm white by the way, so no it's not because of my race.
I trust them.. if I had to defend a wounded officer from an assailant I would do that with out thinking twice. They are people just like the rest of us. Except they do a very dangerous job. They never know how the person in the car they just stopped is going to act. I don't think that I could do that job.
They WILL search your car...
The problem isn't police, it's the laws they enforce and the lack of accountability.
A malicious cop is one who enforces unjust laws.
A bad cop is one who doesn't in force all laws.
It is literately impossible to be "good" cop.
Utter nonsense.
You should have nothing to do with these evil beings. Don't call them when you hear someone breaking into your place. Just reason with them.