I've never had any issues with them and wouldn't expect to since I haven't done anything that would raise suspicions with them. I've had a ticket for failure to control my speed, but that was my fault and I don't have any beef with them for issuing it, especially since it lead to a crash which luckily nobody was hurt in. I trust that they have good intentions and I see through the lies that the left tries to push forward about them and I will defend them at every opportunity. Do you trust police?
For the most part, I do not trust police officers. I would only trust a police officer if I know him or her outside the job. I have a friend that is a police officer that I grew up with and therefore, I trust her a lot. Unfortunately, she has never pulled me over before. I always seem to get pulled over by the cops that have nothing better to do. Police officers have lied on me various times just to write me tickets and send me to court. I have been accused of going 10-15 miles over the speed limit several times when I've really been going just 5 over, which almost everybody does, including police. Many police officers are very quick to react violently if you try to argue with them. Countless stories exist of police officers planting evidence and unlawfully shooting unarmed and often Black citizens while being able to get off scot-free. Of course, as a Black woman, I have to be careful around them. Whenever I reach in my purse for my license and registration, I always make sure to do it slowly so they won't think I'm reaching for a 22. In reality, the question shouldn't be if we trust police, but rather if the police trust us. If you're Black, they really don't trust you, so you have to be extra careful. While I am aware that many good police officers exist, too many police officers have a long history of corruption and naturally, I can't trust anything with a long corrupt history. Thus, whenever I get pulled over, I make sure to record them to prevent them from attempting their corrupt ways. If the officer has absolutely no problem being recorded, then I know he or she is trustworthy. If there is a problem, it raises the question as to why it would be a problem. If the cop had no plans on doing anything wrong, it shouldn't matter.
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Blacks commit far more crime than whites or Asians, BLM members often push fourth false narratives about police corruption and almost all of their stories have been debunked. Whites are 2× more likely to be shot by police in pullovers than blacks, despite committing almost no crime compared to them.
Thanks for that racist take, @Rangers. Black people nor POC commit more crimes than white people. White people have experienced police brutality at a higher rate because they commit most of the crimes, but racism causes blacks and minorities to experience more discrimination and harsher sentencing
In 2018, blacks committed 43% of all violent crime while only accounting for 13.5% of the US population while whites committed 46% of all violent crime while accounting for 79.6% of the US population.
Interesting what you linked were generic crime statistics. Race isn't mentioned on the ENTIRE page. However, men make up a good 3/4 of all perpetrators of violent crimes. Surprising no one
Whites make up 80% of America, blacks make up 14% yet the violent crimes committed by both is comparable. Are you really this bad at math or are you trying to be funny?
It's shown by the United States Census Bureau. Just as you said before, you'll make up numbers when the real numbers don't support your false narrative. Even if your fake number were true, whites would still commit violent crime at a far lower rate than blacks.
But anyway, you insulting piece of rat vomit, quit spreading this racist propaganda. Black people are often prosecuted for violent crimes regardless which of course would bloat the numbers anyway
The US Census is gathered from people who notoriously and Wikipedia cites ALL OF ITS SOURCES. Further, the likelihood of an innocent black person being prosecuted is 7x higher than that of a white person.
I said you play the victim, you're not a victim. And yes you are because you continously reject the facts and make up numbers thinking you'll convince someone and push fourth your false narrative when you won't.
@Rangers: Regardless of how many crimes Black people commit, the truth of the matter is that only a very small portion of the Black community actually commits violent crime. Surely don't believe that the vast majority of us are killers, robbers, and rapists? If so, you need to educate yourself and stop living in fear. Crime rates based upon race don't justify police officers unjustly shooting people, especially Black people unjustly. By the way, you're wrong. Black people are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police officers more compared to White people. Besides, during those rare times that police officers do shoot and kill White people, the vast majority of those White people were armed. Countless news reports exist of Black people being unarmed and killed by police officers when other tactics could have been used and when they go to court, those same cops often don't go to prison for murder. That makes racist cops feel more emboldened to kill Black people because they know they wouldn't be fully punished for their actions. With that being said, I don't understand why you seemingly have a problem with me being more careful around police. I don't know what race you are, but if you constantly noticed a group or organization on the news constantly killing your people and getting off scot-free when they go to court, wouldn't you be more careful around these people too, or are you just trolling me?
I believe in statistics regarding events, not fake stories pushed by Vox, CNN, MSNBC, and BLM members (which by the way are on par with Nazi Germany in terms of how racist they are). People get shot because they moved too quickly and the officer had to make a decision to either wait to see if it's a gun only to get shot by the time they realize it is and let the assailant get away, or take the shot. You're the one living in fear, if you don't cause trouble and don't break the law, they won't bother you. If you're doing those things and they bother you, rather than call them racist and avoid responsibility, look in the mirror. This should be told to everyone who calls cops racist because 99.999999999% of the time, they were doing something and that's why the cops questioned them or pulled them over.
@Rangers: If you truly believe that a person only has to obey the law and not be bothered by the police, then you are either extremely naive or you're just trolling. In fact, I seriously hope that you're trolling because if you're not, I am genuinely worried for your intelligence level. Plenty of cases exist where police officers have shot people and used excessive violence when police officers weren't in danger. Sometimes, cops have shot people for not being compliant and/or shot them from behind when they weren't armed. Cops have even shot people that were compliant. A Black person could simply be walking in a White neighborhood for instance, completely obeying the law, and a White person that is racist and living in fear could call the cops, believing that he is suspicious. From there, the police could harass the person and/or even use violence against them. Many news reports have documented evidence that many police stations directly target Black people when patrolling, even though crime is committed in various part of the United States, not just Black areas. Simply because something isn't broadcasted on a news station that doesn't preach the exact same political views that you have doesn't mean that news stories are fake. If you need to be preached to the choir, then you're obviously living biased, not a life of truth. The truth is that we see the shit happening with our own two eyes all the time. You can't piss on my legs and tell me it's raining.
@Rangers: The primary reason that BLM even addresses these issues is because they are very real issues. I get it though. Because these issues happen to Black people most of the time and because I'm assuming that you're not Black, you apparently don't care. The truth of the matter is that racists don't exist only in your southern trailer parks. Racists can find themselves in positions of power or respected positions such as law enforcement. Unfortunately, law enforcement is a position with a mostly White population and it's not uncommon for White people to be hateful towards Black people. Therefore, it's possible that many hateful White people could easily become police officers and as the police had proven time and time again, many of them express their hateful sentiment towards Black people, usually through harassment, excessive force, and murder. Thus, it only makes sense for Black people to be aware of this and protect themselves around cops. Thus, I don't care what you or anybody else says. I don't trust the vast majority of these cops and I'm going to do everything in my power to protect myself from them because I realize that the job of a police officer seems to generally attract those that aren't very fond of my people, combined with the fact that many of them are corrupt, and the job gives potentially hateful people gun rights, the right to arrest, and use of excessive force. As I said before, I am sure if there was some sort of group actively targeting your group for violence or whatnot, I am sure that you be careful when around individuals of that group.
You're right, they aren't fond of people who commit crime, play the victim, and call for violence against them. If you don't like the laws here, then leave.
@Rangers You literally proved yourself wrong then proceeded to call black people victims. Funny how you defend cops by saying "Not all cops are bad" but black people are suddenly the worst because the poorest and most vulnerable are jailed. Just saying when you defend cops like the ones in Warren vs the District of Columbia you look like a P. O. S racist.
@Hypnos0929 I didn't defend them, I stated that those are anecdotes and don't change the facts that police brutality against blacks is extremely rare and if a cop is being more careful around blacks, it has nothing to do with their skin color, it has everything to do with how much crime blacks commit and how they act around cops being suspicious.
You did defend them, by blaming All black people for the crimes of some then turning around and saying not all cops are bad you're clearly blaming black people. And you still haven't denounced the officers and their wrong doings but you're effortlessly ok with calling black people suspicious. As you pointed out earlier black people aren't even half as populated as white people. So why is it that you think it's okay we are shot over half as often: www.statista.com/.../ And you just contradicted yourself again. You said It has nothing to do with race then said black people are suspicious around police. Also it's funny how you say we commit a lot of crime yet white mass shooters, and the 70% of rapists who are white don't get killed on site.
@Hypnos0929 your reading skills need work. I said they aren't committing crime simply because of their skin color, they're committing crime because due to their culture and the fact that many black kids don't have fathers in the household, they're more prone to crime, as statistics show. I'm addressing harassment claims and telling them that number one, they're playing the victim, and they have good reasons to be suspicious of blacks because of how much crime they commit
@Hypnos0929 Blacks commit more than half of all homicides despite again, accounting for a small percentage of our population, but you never hear about those stories, but whenever a white man kills people, it's all over the news and used to push the false narrative that we kill more innocent people than blacks.
1) You made no mention of households to me. Not one bit so read again before you make an accusation 2) How about you pick up a damn history book. Do you know why black people are suspicious of police? Because for 99% of the time we've been in America they have been against us. Period. 3) The biggest influx of black people going into prison occurred because of the war on drugs you idiot. The Nixon administration admitted, on record, the war was to attack black people and anti-war hippies. The Nixon administration said they couldnt criminalize black people so they criminalized everything we did. Before you complain about lack of fathers pick up a damn book. 4) Harassment claims? SCOTUS literally said in 2019 that harassment is ok if police do it and can find any probable cause. Who watches the watchmen? Apparently not the government, not the people and not the police. So instead of saying it's anecdotal that people have no reason to trust cops look at how people are answering. Saying "Statistically you aren't going to set off a mine" isn't going to make people run into a mine field. 5) Funny that you would being up murder but ignore where most murders occur. HERE'S A HINT IN HIGH POPULATED, IMPOVERISHED AREAS. Are you starting to get a picture. You wanna spit facts? Tell me why black men get incarcerated for murders at higher rates then we get exonerated: research.msu.edu/.../
We're about 50% more likely to be exonerated for murder. A whole 50%! Why is it that you're okay with calling black people criminals but confidently and conveniently leave out how we don't even commit those murders at higher rates, we're arrested and jailed for them but we're essentially told "My bad I thought you were the other nigger".
Here's a direct quote from the link that I bet you can't explain without talking about how cops treat black people differently: "The 2016 data show convictions that led to murder exonerations with black defendants were more likely to involve misconduct by police officers than those with white defendants. On average, black murder exonerees waited three years longer in prison before release than whites.
Judging from exonerations, a black prisoner serving time for sexual assault is three-and-a-half times more likely to be innocent than a white person convicted of sexual assault. On average, innocent African-Americans convicted of sexual assault spent almost four-and-a-half years longer in prison before exoneration than innocent whites. In addition, the report, officially titled, “Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States,” found innocent black people are about 12 times more likely to be convicted of drug crimes than innocent white people. Since 1989, more than 1,800 defendants have been cleared in “group exonerations” that followed 15 large-scale police scandals in which officers systematically framed innocent defendants. The overwhelming majority were African-American defendants framed for drug crimes that never occurred."
@Hypnos0929 Noted, but really even if an entire 50% of blacks convicted were actually innocent, it wouldn't even come close to making up for the difference. You also have to consider whether or not they bailed because it's shown that it has an impact on how the trial goes, possible case differences, severity of the crime, and what they said during an interrogation. None of those things are taken into account there which are critical variables. Stop putting words into my mouth, I never said all blacks were criminals, for the 10th time, I said they commit crime at a disproportionate rate compared to whites. Yes, they are poorer than whites, but given all the affirmative action nonsense going on and they're still living in poverty, I'd say that's their own fault. Some people deserve to be poor, people hate hearing that, but it's true. Searching your car because they smell weed isn't harassment, they had probable cause to do it, dude. They're feeding into strains in their relationships with police. The undeniable truth is that if you're law abiding, cooperative, have no criminal record, and don't act suspicious, only in super rare, very specific cases will you be discriminated against. They need to learn to take responsibility for being in the positions they're in, but I'm not holding my breath on that since playing the victim is deeply placed into their culture.
Bro it's very clear now that you only want to see in terms of black and white. The fact that you just read how black people are getting exonerated at rates that increase every year yet still defend cops completely ruins your argument that black people commit disproportionate amounts of crime. Look at what you're Saying! Black people aren't getting out at 1 or 2 times the rate of white people but 3 to 12 time more often in certain areas! The fact that you're incapable of saying "There are too many dirty cops" is shameful.
@Hypnos0929 Because that's the argument here. You are constantly contradicting yourself. You think it's okay for blacks to incite violence against cops and call them dirt because of the actions of a few, yet you don't think it's okay for cops to be more cautious when they're in the black part of town when blacks do, indeed commit violent crime at massive rates and people like you actively support indiscriminate acts of violence against them. What goes around comes around, get over it
Yes I support going against the police because each and every year we find out more and more people are getting off because some cop decided "I'm right and you're wrong" or decide to fill a report with something that didn't happen. Also I've never stated violence against police is okay, not once even close to implied that. What I have stated is I don't trust the police, the police have too many dirty cops, and SCOTUS defends police too often. Police fear Internal Affairs for a very good reason and I'd be more for funding them than violence against police.
@Hypnos0929 Anyone assused of corruption should be defended reasonably because they can lose their career if they're accused of something they didn't do, too. It seems like you don't want the cases to be investigated further because you know they'll find something that doesn't support your narrative. When you don't trust cops, they can tell, and they'll be suspicious. Stop playing the victim, these things happen (which I still stand by the fact that they're extremely rare), it happened as a result of your own actions.
I literally just said fund Internal Affairs. Their job is to investigate so why would I be against investigating when I made the suggestion? Separating the good and bad cops only benefits me because then we get to see how often cops actually lie. Also when my safety and freedom depends almost completely on whether or not a cop is getting good vibes from me there's a problem. Also how am I playing the victim? I'm giving you the numbers and evidence that proves every year we see more dirty cops getting caught and every year more people, innocent people (you know actual victims of the police), get to go home to their families. How about you ask yourself why you consider good cops more important than good civilians. Why is it that you can find out innocent people are getting arrested and you can shrug it off as "it happens"? I mean 1800 people over 15 scandals? that's a lot of evidence that you're okay with throwing away.
@Hypnos0929 I'm not throwing it away, I'm stating that those cases don't justify labeling all cops as bad, corrupt people. Just like my stats on crime don't justify labeling all blacks as criminals. I will give you this, lying is part of the job as an officer, but when I say lie, I don't mean framing people, I mean saying false statements to the suspect about evidence in an attempt to get them to admit they're guilty. Good people aren't targeted in the way that good cops are due to them taking your beliefs, stretching them out, and using them to incite violence against police officers. It's not hard to give good vibes to the cop at all, just don't commit crime, stay calm, be careful, and cooperate with them, it's that simple. People are getting exonerated? At what point did I say that was a bad thing that people who have been wrongfully convicted are getting out a lot? You can't expect cops to get it right every time, and I think you're putting a bit too much blame on the arresting officers for wrongful convictions, yes, it started with them most likely, but they go through a huge process before they're actually convicted, so blame the courts, don't incite violence against them, but address them and move towards a solution.
@Rangers: "You're right, they aren't fond of people who commit crime, play the victim, and call for violence against them. If you don't like the laws here, then leave."
You have many White people that aren't fond of Black people at all, regardless of whether they commit crime or play the victim or not. History proves that and many White people still have that same mentality today. The fact that most hate crimes are committed by White people against Black people and the fact that they create various websites such as Stormfront and Daily Stormer proves my point. If I know for a fact that if White racism towards Black people isn't uncommon and that White racists could easily become cops, then I have every reason and right to protect myself from cops. I don't understand how anybody can disagree with this if they're not biased, racist themselves, or trolling.
Black on white racism is 6× more common than white on black racism. The problem is that when blacks are racist, the left either covers it up, or supports them. When whites are racist, it's all over the news and everyone hates them. It's just like being in the ocean, the more scared you are, the more likely you'll be attacked by a shark, but if you stay calm, it'll leave you alone.
@Rangers: What difference does it make that Black people commit crime at higher rates? As the statistics themselves prove, it shows that only a small portion of the Black community commit (violent) crime anyway. About 40,000,000 Black people exist in the United States and the statistics show that only small portion of that 40,000,000 actually commits (violent) crime. Most Black people are law-abiding citizens. Besides, crime statistics don't truly give an accurate rate of those that commit crime. It gives an accurate rate of those that have been caught, accused, and/or sentenced for their crimes. Higher crime rates in the Black community don't justify police officers abusing their power against them.
I never said it did, but it's understandable that they're more cautious with them. You're a massive hypocrite, you think the actions of literally a tiny handful of cops justifies distrusting all of them but then you say cops can't be more cautious with blacks when they commit a disproportionate amount of crime. By the way, the percentage of blacks who commit crime is likely several thousand times the rate of cops who are corrupt, yet you think it's okay to label all cops as bad people but not okay for cops to be more cautious when around a neighborhood controlled by a race that's notorious for violent crime and crime against police officers.
@Hypnos0929: That's what White people love to say when they're clearly losing an argument. "You're playing the victim." He obviously can't prove his claims or tell how crime statistics are even relevant to a person not trusting police. I want to think that he's trolling me, but unfortunately, a lot of White people tend to think this way. My question is, where are the crime statistics for police? What are their crime rates?
@Rangers: "Blacks commit more than half of all homicides despite again, accounting for a small percentage of our population, but you never hear about those stories, but whenever a white man kills people, it's all over the news and used to push the false narrative that we kill more innocent people than blacks."
So are you saying that White people are victims of being overly exposed on the news, when, in reality, it should be Black people? It sounds like someone is playing the victim here. Oh, the irony.
They are overly exposed in an attempt to distract people from where the real problem lies and that's in places like Chicaco and Baltimore. They do this to keep the votes of black people because they don't like whites either. You blatantly ignore all the facts and it's frustrating how many times I have to repeat myself and you still are either too dense to see it, or intentionally ignore it, either way, I'm done talking to you, you're too stupid, keep playing the victim, I'm sure it'll get you far in life.
As someone who had law enforcement in my family (RIP), yes. I am fully aware that not all cops are good cops, but in my experiences with them, the majority are. Just cooperate with them and don't break the law in the first place.
Every time I've been pulled over, I've been respectful and done as they told me. In turn, they were also respectful towards me.
It makes me sad how many people hate cops and even go as far as to wish them dead. It would've been so scary to have the cop in my family still working as a cop today in this type of environment. I'm sure people would have a much different perspective if it was someone they loved putting their life on the line to keep others safe.
What I find insane is how big doctor and teacher worship is (NOT that they're bad, but there are quite a few people who act as if they can do no wrong and look to them as gods, and turn a blind eye to the issues in their industries), but how hated law enforcement and in some cases even the military is. It seems things used to be a lot more level and people used to realize that all of these people are just people.
considering in my past and throughout my life regardless of not breaking the law for the most part yet getting targetted by the police no matter whether i did anything or not... I have only trusted 3 police officers over the years 1 was when i actually did do something bad, but was while protecting a fiancee years ago, when she was attacked by my mother... and she tried to kill her and take my son, so when i acted to defend my (at the time) fiancee... it didn't help that all the years of abuse from my mother and father came flooding back and i blanked, picked her up by her throat and just held her there until i regained consciousness I contacted the police myself and told them what i did (as far as i could recall and what i was told), and faced any music but due to her blatant attack and that she told us that she was going to get me put away in prison, murder my fiancee and take my son... My mother had Munchausen's and I was her focus during my childhood... so i spent most of my childhood drugged up on medication i didn't need and while she made out i was a severe epileptic 3500 mg of medication each day and most of that medication is now suspected as being the cause of all my health issues today... so I still pay for her twisted ways as for my father he was violent and manipulative... won't go into too much more on him but the way they were to me is why i chose as a kid I refuse to continue the cycle... to be a better person... but while doing the right thing those who are still alive from my family still try to get me sent down regardless of innocence so most police, no... some yes
No joke, when I was no more than 5 years old, I can remember my mother telling my younger brother and me, "If you kids get thrown in jail you can expect to stay there because I won't be bailing you out. Because if you are in jail it means that you deserve to be. When a police officer tells you to do something you say, 'Yes, sir" and you do it!"
To be sure, beyond wondering how I would end up as the first second grader incarcerated on Alcatraz, speaking at just a personal level, I have no sympathy for this notion that someone is a delicate little snowflake who deserves to have his feelings given a higher regard than the rule of law. It is utterly alien to everything I was raised with.
The police have a risky job, their lives are on the line at every stop, and they have no way of knowing who you are or what you are doing. They deserve deference and if they go outside the bounds, you have redress for that in a court of law.
The current popular attitude toward law enforcement is an outgrowth of a sniveling, self-absorbed and self-pitying culture that too easily takes for granted the difficult task of maintaining a stable social order. "The policeman was mean to me!" Good grief.
Whether the cop is holding you at gunpoint or simply approaching you to ask a question, sensible people show proper respect for society. It works better that way.
For the most part I trust the police but I still think the justice system has many flaws that need to be addressed and fixed. Here are 4 of those flaws
1.) false dichotomy way of analyzing cases 2.) susceptibility to bias and corruption. 3.) Expendability of prisoners 4.) The death penalty and sterilizations which are arguably violations of the 8th amendment and thus should be abolished.
No I don't trust police and I'm a white male. I've been arrested a handful of times and yes I was guilty but my issue is when I was 14 I was beat up by police because I ran from them. I wound up with a fractured wrist bruised ribs and a mild concussion and as the cop was walking me back to his car he told me he wanted all my buddies to see what happens when you run from the police. My only action that could of been seen as resisting was I ran and was taunting them at first because I had a good lead which didn't last for too long obviously. One more incident when I was 21 I was arrested and when I was already in cuffs on my knees up against the stucco wall of the apartment that I just surrendered from I caught 2 knees to the back of my head with my face already against the stucco. Yes I was guilty but there was no need to knee me like that but the worst was how they pepper sprayed my homeboy and were beating him with their clubs first in his legs then his body then his head but yes he was resisting not fighting them just trying to get away. Yes they were trying to just get him down to arrest him but once he was down they kept hitting him. He was white also. I could tell you a few more like that. Yes I was a thug back then and I know cops are human and have emotions too but they take on a job that gives them too much power and they are supposed to be held to a higher level then a thug. I believe it's not just a race thing it's also a anybody not wearing a badge or closely related to a badge they are as less then them so it's not just people of a darker skin it's if your not one of them you're not safe. They need to do a much deeper evaluation before hiring cops. If they were bullied in school don't hire them cause apparently most highschool bullies looked like a younger me and those ass woopins weren't fun. Also yes there's been times when cops had a clean shooting on people but then stand around making stupid comments to each other and not one tries to save the man's life all on camera or the lady pulled over for a traffic violation and because she wouldn't put her cigarette out he yanks her out the car and she goes to jail then is found dead in her cell. Both those cases were blacks how can anyone not expect people to not trust police especially people of a darker color. I already know that I'm just gonna agree to disagree sometimes we need to try and look at things from a different perspective and that might help to understand were someone's coming from doesn't mean you gotta agree but it can help to see and understand. Ultimately our system is broken and our ways of thinking are broken and we need to be a part of the solution not part of what's feeding the problem. I'm not smart enough to know how to fix it but I'm smart enough to see it's broken.
older ones tend to be better, but the young ones watch-out, females too. I have had a few run-ins with idiot cops. They lie all the time, tell you things about laws which are not true and cover-up things when they screw-up. I have had many incidents thrown out of court. But I know my rights. And many do not stand up for the constitution.
One case I had.
Driving home from the movies with my mother, car behind us had bright lights, so I pulled to the side. Turns out it was a cop, puts his lights on, comes to passenger window, ask why I pulled over, said because his lights, his response "My brights were not on.". He then asked for my drivers license, I said no, and was leaving. Drove away, he pulled me over again. Now I'm pissed, I ask him why he pulled me over and he said I need your license, I said no you don't I did nothing wrong. I asked him what the reason was for the stop, what is your probable cause. He would not answer. I then asked for a supervisor, I called 991 explain I was in a illegal stop. They basically held me for over an hour until they threatened to bust the window on mother's car, so I gave in. I explain I was armed, they said I was suppose to notify them by law I'm armed, I said not the law does not say that. They took my firearm while they ran my info. I got a tick, not physically because he could get the printer working. Case then got default judgment because I was never notified. I had the case re-opened. Made a records request for dash cams and body cams. Apparently dash cams malfunctioned. has some body cams though. Got to court and apparently they got pissed and file more charges the day after my records request. "Felony Eluding" which is BS because lights must be on and siren and travel of x miles. Since they destroyed the dash cam video they couldn't prove their case and I knew it. They tried bullying me and even offered me 10 days in jail. I laugh and said No, I will see you in discovery. I had the whole thing thrown out. I still have the body cam video, and the 911 audio. Let's just say the cops don't come near me anymore.
I have video of the two cops in the incident above, talking to each other saying "We better wait here and watch, he may turn around and shoot at us us.". Delusional, even though they ran my info and I was clean and I was in my mid 40's.
Many cops have no respect for your rights and just looking for something to do. They also have very little accountability, most of the time you have to spend thousands to get any action, and not much.
I have had few others, but pretty much the same BS. Some cops trying to violate your right and push their authority complex on you.
If you don't have a couple cams in your car, you are taking a big risk.
It was once a time when the police were somewhat honest and concerned citizens who had a mission to maintain the security of our communities, but something has changed.
It is now difficult to tell the police from the criminals other than the uniforms are different. You better be very careful around anyone who gets up in the morning, ready to take the life of another human being. That doesn't mean they are all bad, but it is certainly more than the few you are always hearing about.
The corruption runs through from top to bottom and you better believe they all know about it. The corrupt run the show and any honest ones are quietly passed over for raises and promotions.
They have a wolf pack mentality and they all cover for one another. The only reason any of them are brought to justice today is that camera phones are everywhere.
Again, be careful around them because they are building a case against you even when you have done nothing wrong. If they really want to get you, they'll just make something up and then it is your word against the machine.
Depends what country you are in. I read estimates that 25 to 50 percent of Mexican police officers are corrupt. This ranges from looking the other way all the way to actively working for the cartels.
Many Americans are like “hey if I get in trouble down there... it’s easy. I just pay someone off”. But seriously think about that the duplicity of corruption. A cop can be paid off to cover up a rape or murder. Where is the justice for the victims and families of the victim?
At least in the USA and other western countries the corruption rate is much lower. Sadly it will always exist but that comes with the fact that cops are people too and unfortunately some people make poor decisions.
As for police brutality against minorities I see that as a much more complex problem. I do believe that some law enforcement officers take discriminatory mental shortcuts when dealing with minority. But they sure as hell not training cops to be racists at the police academy. In fact I’ve personally seen cops be EXTRA nice to black people out of fear of looking racists. One time I got a speeding ticket while I long drive for a humanitarian trip. I had my black friend drive and he laughed at me for being “speeding Gonzales”. 15 mins after he said that a state trooper pulled him over. The trooper LET HIM OFF WITH A WARNING. My other white friend quipped “uh oh better be nice to the black man”.
I fully support my local police force. In fact, I try to help them out when I can. Often times they'll stop to talk with me, ask me what my plans are for the day, check my weapon licenses. They trust me so much I constantly see them following me around, watching and analyzing my every move in case I need some backup. Sometimes I get an undercover job and they post me as an inside man in the local jail. The longest mission I had was ten years, but I don't care at all. I'll continue to make society safer by keeping the invasion of Irish immigrants in check. Those laughable leftists may be able to hide their IRA buddies from the police, but I won't let them spread their disgusting culture to our pristine bars and gambling halls. Just as soon as I complete my mission, here at the mental ward.
I didn't vote because I don't have a definite answer, I somewhat trust them but with every person in a position of power people WILL abuse it. I believe that some police are good but it only makes since that some of them are shit, when we need police officers they're not going to try to hire the top of the top people because that's too much work, time, and money naturally so. There are a lot of shit people in the world so there is naturally shit cops but unlike with teacher who are also in a position of power the consequences of them abusing that power usually doesn't end in someones life being taken away.
Don't get me wrong, I very much respect police and all emergency personnel. They have a tough job and not many people are cut out for that. but like I said when they "mess up" the consequences are much greater and the blue brotherhood has been known to defend they're own even when the guilty party is overwhelmingly guilty.
Not at all. I have to interact with police quite a bit for work, and victims of assault. Can honestly say it depends on which officer you get as to what type of response you receive (which shouldn't be the case). The smartest thing you can do is know your rights and if something isn't right about what they're doing/saying, don't let it slide. Follow it up until it is sorted properly.
They have no training to contain themselves around mentally ill people, deaf people or homeless people. They undergo "warrior" training that tells them to kill anyone who threatens them in any way, no questions asked, and our justice system reinforces this behavior by letting them do it. No, I absolutely do not trust cops. The very nature of their job, currently, makes them a threat to millions of Americans.
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You clearly have zero knowledge about police aside from liberal news putting forth intentionally false narratives about them.
If you don't come off as threatening no one will think that right? if you just go on the youtube channel Live PD many of the people doesn't matter their gender or race. They always come off threatening and aggressive towards the cops. Now some people don't see how they are perceive as x, y and z but most cops are going to react if you react negatively towards them. Remember they are dealing with populations of people that most of society doesn't want to deal with.
No too many bad experiences on both sides of the law.
The last one was November a drunk driver who was racing someone else clipped the back of my mums car and flipped it. When the police came to get a statement later the policeman spoke about how he'd been to see the guy who did it and he was such a great guy and the police was comforting him telling him he wouldn't get too bad a punishment.
Then there's me who got charged with afray because my neighbor's were having a party and when i complained the sent a gang of travellers to my house.
The police are fine unless you actually need them.
They're people just like everyone else, so I don't really trust them any more or less just because of their job. Personally, I have never had a bad experience dealing with the police whether just socializing or getting a citation for something.
Now, would I rely on the police to protect me everywhere I go? Absolutely not. No matter what the circumstances, my concealed handgun and my own two legs are going to be much quicker to react to an imminent threat than trying to dial 9-1-1 and waiting for them to arrive. In some cities, police response can take upwards of 30 minutes, but anything more than a couple seconds can be too slow.
Now keep in mind I do not currently have a criminal record but years ago cops screwed me twice once when I was a minor. I did nothing wrong either time and these pricks tried to railroad me. They charged me twice just for being with someone who did something and one of the times all I did was answer the door at my house and come outside. I have since got both of these things expunged and never did any time lucjily. Not all cops are bad but most are on a power trip and more recently it is all over the news how they kill someone and then they face no charges and get suspended with pay it is a complete joke they should get jail for life. They are in a position of authority and they abuse it.
Also I need to add that I was in 2 car crashes where the cops were not honest in the one crash the cops tried to lie and shift the blame on me but because it was obvious the other guy ran the stop sign they gave him most of the blame on the report. I would not admit blame so they had to put it on him like he deserved. Turns out the guy who hit me was a neighbor to the chief of police so the cops tried to bully me and put the blame on me but it did not work. Another time I was hit in a parking lot loss prevention got the accident on tape and told me so the cop comes and knew the guy who hit me and the cop tried to say it was both our fault so I told loss prevention he told the cop he has it on tape and it was the other guy's fault so the cop could not lie and in the report it said it was the other guy's fault. My point is they have no honor like they claim to they are not about helping anybody just their own self preservation.
I've had a number of interactions with the police - including last weekend when I was working at a dental office and set off the alarm. I stood calmly and talked to them, and had no problems.
Most people who don't like the police have given the police a reason not to like them, and most respond to the police like a criminal - they run, get upset, fight back, etc. A huge number talk or behave their way into much more trouble.
Police aren't perfect - these are still individual human beings doing a dangerous job, and not all are good people, but most are doing their best.
I really dont have reason to trust my local police dept. That being said... i have all the trust in the world in my local police officers.
The police force is an entity in and of itself. Like almost all organizations, it works to serve its own interests, and to expand its power whenever possible.
A police officer is a person. And like most people, he/she can be dealt with in a ono-on-one setting.
I didn't do anything that would arouse suspicion with them and I still got fuckin' arrested. You don't have to have done anything wrong! Just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and suffer the attentions of clueless incompetents.
Previously I helped the police and brought information to them that led to the arrest and conviction of a serious criminal. I have a strong sense of justice and recognise many members of the police do too but am sceptical of the authority structure and competence and intelligence of the average officer. And while I had this opinion quite complacently in the past I now have it from unpleasant personal experience.
ABSOLUTELY NOT !!! they are boot liking illiterate lazy cowards, abusing their power, and predators that "CAN" (scratch that "WILL") get away with sexual harassment they only exist to repress and pray on the people and minorities without actually interfering when serious problems/crimes happen
ohhhh , excuse me if i live in a dictatorship, corrupted, oppressing and kinda unstable country right know and for replying to a question and expressing myself
I have a very ambivalent view of them. The system is rigged in their favor and they hold way to much power, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to shit on every cop individually. But I also think that a position that promises that much power attracts power hungry individuals.
Personally I've had positive and negative encounters with police.
They hold way too much power? How so? Also, people dont understand that cops are trained to do their job effectively and efficiently, wether that entails searching for a terrorist or arresting a guy who robbed a 99 cents store.
yeah I understand where your coming from Diego. I do think that no policy or regulation is perfect as in everything can be improved! While true, its safe to say there is good and bad in every group/community.
@justawhiteman Your answer sounds great theoretically and as an idealist I might even have tended to agree at your age, but as a licensed private investigator I now know better. The entire government is just one big club and their job is to keep you in the dark about everything until you are just a convenient statistic. You think the laws are not slanted in favor of the government? I'm gonna let you slide because at 20 you haven't lived enough to understand what is going on. I'll just tell you what I was told when I was your age.
Men mature very slowly compared to woman. By 35 years old, you may finally be as mature as a 21 year old female, but you won't even begin to access the higher intellectual abilities that most men possess until you are at least 40 years old. Science repeatedly tells men that they have peaked by age 19, but that is a lie. Men peak at different ages. Some never do because they remain smart and active. I can see where this site is a good tool to help people work out exactly who they think they are, but you should bear in mind that opinions are like a$$holes and everybody's got one.
@justawhiteman If you're referring to the police in the United States there have been a few important supreme court decisions that actually has given the police too much power. Yes their safety and violating civil rights/shooting innocent people is a slippery slope but is that worth it?
I do. The London Metropolitan police are great. They don't just beat people up like in third world countries. They are trained to deescalate situations first before anything else. They also interact a lot with the local community. Before budget cuts, there used to be a local police officer who would come to my house and warn us about things like burglaries in the local area and how to stay safe.
I do. I have friends who are cops, and they're all solid guys. I've been to cali and the LAPD officers I talked to helped me with directions, joked around with me and my girlfriend, and even offered us a ride across town. They're all good people who will help you if they don't think you're a total piece of shit.
Look society is fill with shitty people, I love how people try to spin that all police, white people, black people, brown people, xy and z is bad. Just because of a few shitty people, not every cop is a evil cop but as a society we love giving the assholes the attention and ignore the good deeds of everyone else.
I don’t really trust anyone. While I respect what LEO’s do, there are different motivations for doing it. Some to better their communities, other to exert control over others, and some who feel exceptionally self righteous. There aren’t really any ways to exclude the bad players until after the fact.
Not all the time, when they tell me they respond to a domestic call only to find a crack head has drowned his two year old son in a toilet, I feel something for them, but honestly they are often just cunts, and it is an institution that has always been associated with corruption, that's why a society needs multiple layers of not just law enforcement, but institutions with a social conscience, that monitor what takes place in their communities, because you can't trust a police force, A) to do their job properly, B) to even care about the populace that they are supposed to protect.
I’d say so, only because I’ve never had a major issue with police. But that could also be because I’m white, female, and I don’t do shit that’s clearly illegal or hang around sketchy people. The only time police have approached me was for traffic related stuff.
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Option C Hell no!
I am lucky enough to live in the UK where there is at least a legal framework which theoretically is something vaguely fair and trying to do the right thing mostly.
But trust the police?
Are you fucking mental?
Tell them NOTHING.
Am i being detained / am i free to go?
If you are free to go then leave.
If you are being detained KEEP YOUR STUPID MOUTH SHUT and get legal help.
I don't feel comfortable around them. I feel threatened even though I'm not doing anything wrong. I've been questioned 4 times for taking videos of public transit which is 100% legal according to the rules and regulations of the system. It's annoying. I don't like talking to them. If I find myself in a situation where it's common sense to call police, I will do it and let them take care of the situation.
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Look at it this way, if you start acting nervous around a cop, they'll notice that and become suspicious. They are excellent at reading body language and people who are nervous when cops come along might be up to no good, and you have to understand that.
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I do. Do you trust Union teachers not to teach your children to be anti-American and pro Communism? Union teachers do exponentially more harm than a few bad cops.
I trust and distrust them same as anyone else. 'Police' is a person and has an own individual character. The 'good' policemen/women: as those (similar to military and 'good citizens') are people who don't question 'the System' and who more or less stiffly worship 'the rules' - I prefer to keep them on distance. Some are corrupt or abusive; of course I DON'T trust those.
no, I've never had problems, white, middle class nice person. But I've had enough contact to know their relaity. Do not expect them to rememer exactly what happened or articulate it correctly, they have too many issues going on, restrictions, threats, etc.. As President Trump said to his son... trust noone! he's right.
I never had to talk to an Police officer. But I wouldn't blindly Trust anyone. It depends on the individual. And not all of them do their Job correctly. A friend of mine was stopped by some Police officers cause his Car was supposely to loud. But the Thing is, they meassured the noise with an I Phone App. Which obviously isn't an reliable device. And they accused him of doing a Car race against himself 😐 they even towed His Car so He had to Walk Home. Some people Just abuse their power
Trust is not given but earned. No. They are a stranger as I see it. And just because they wear a badge makes them no greater than you or I-THEY ARE HUMAN WITH SAME QUALITIES AND FLAWS WE ALL HAVE AND EXHIBIT, or because they swoar an oath their word more valuable. Study police history since beginning times and public trust and why. They think everyone is guilty. And generally recruit people with lower i. q. s as they are more likely to conform without question rather than deviate from a policy and or procedure. They ought to be peace keepers of the people, for the people -it is rather quite more complex, as they back legislative pencils by enforcement -which is really sometimes what may need to be in question, perhaps in some areas more than others, some people more than others, just as some have proved themselves and are truly heroes of the people. They are no more or less valuable or credible than you or I. We can all get badges and swear oaths.
No way. It's legal for them to lie to you, false arrests and excessive use of force are common occurrences and they are trigger-happy, not too mention the enormous deference given them, which goes to their head.
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They're not trigger happy at all, rapid motion of the suspected perpetrator left them with two options, wait until they turn around to see if it's a gun, giving the person time to shoot the officers, or not take the chance of letting a potentially violent perpetrator kill an officer and get away. If you were a cop, you responded to a disturbance, and someone quickly spun around to face you, what would you do?
I feel using the term Police holds accountability to all law enforcement and is to broad. I don’t trust anyone until I’ve done my homework or talked with them. All organizations have the corrupt so saying you don’t trust the Police just bc 1 or 2 you ever knew made a mistake is ridiculous. That’s like hating teachers bc you had 1 bad teacher in your 12-16 years of school.
I do encounter the cops a lot, I'd say a large majority are pretty human, there's always a couple that just don't give a shit and you can tell they are trigger happy.
The vast majority though I'd say are good people. All it takes is a couple bad apples to ruin the bunch.
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I want you to play a game with someone. First, make a fake gun with your hand, have a friend stand in front of you with their back turned. Give them a toy gun and have them quickly spin around towards you without telling you when and say "bang" when you see the gun. I'm willing to bet you'll either say "bang" as soon as you see the motion or end up with the gun pointed at you because you hesitated. Cops aren't trigger happy, you're asking them to do something that isn't possible.
I should of clarified, I meant trigger happy as never de-escalating the situation or going way above and beyond.
I had enough army training to where I wouldn't hesitate thank god though. I do see your point, a lot of cops never served and you can tell which ones sometimes.
What do you mean by asking something that isn't possible?
They can't determine if the person spinning around like that has a weapon or not until they are completely turned around, but by then, the perpetrator had a wide open opportunity to shoot the officer. If they did that, we'd just see a spike in officer fatalities and criminals getting away and staying on the streets.
yeah but some scenarios where it's only one criminal why not just use the taser? Obviously the times where the guy actually doesn't have a gun and gets it wrong now it's making news, where as most of the he probably did make the right move. I feel like a strong taser could fix that scenario.
Tasers are only at best 65% effective, but they have to be in range and if you miss or it doesn't take them down, now what? If they're armed, the officer is as good as dead.
yeah man I'm just thinking, I mean regular rounds is a surefire way, but I always think of tranq rounds might be a solution too. I mean don't get me wrong some people just love killing and that's really the solid answer, I would just love to find a way to where not everyone has to die all the time.
Depends on the situation... if one shows up to my house randomly I don’t trust him till I get his badge number and confirm with the department that he is a real police and they have proof of him being at my home. It Kinda just depends but overall I trust them
Good point. This is what drives me nuts about the movie Home Alone - how did those parents just accept that the random guy in a cop uniform was a real cop? (He was a burglar who was casing out the joint and later returned to break in...)
@CanadaGirl91 ya exactly you can't trust the uniform you can trust a confirmed badge number lol but unfortunately a lot of people don't know that you don't have to let a cop in without proof he is a real cop unless they have a warrant for your arrest or a search warrant
The problem isn't police, it's the laws they enforce and the lack of accountability. A malicious cop is one who enforces unjust laws. A bad cop is one who doesn't in force all laws. It is literately impossible to be "good" cop.
Utter nonsense. You should have nothing to do with these evil beings. Don't call them when you hear someone breaking into your place. Just reason with them.
Do I trust cops to do their jobs? Yes (though they may do it slowly and without any enthusiasm). Do I think they have too much power? HELL yes. Do I trust them to always be fair/just, or to put human needs/conditions above their quotas? No.
I would like to see neighborhoods two years after police are no longer in place for those that don’t want police. Murder, mayhem and chaos. You know... kinda like Blatimaore , Chicago and Detroit but worse. 😀😆😂
That's pretty messed up considering how well trained police and doctors are in those places. Also that's exactly when the 2nd amendment should come into play so you wishing death on others is pretty messed up.
I think you need to read the SCOTUS case Warren vs the District of Columbia then rethink why people don't trust cops. That decision is now federal law by the way. And this year SCOTUS made Nieves v. Bartlett another pro cop decision (now you can't sue an officer for a retaliatory arrest, exact words, as long as they can find some justification for the arrest. It's purposefully ambiguous so if you film a cop he can throw you in jail for as little as loitering or drinking in public, like say at a sports event)
@Hypnos0929 I don’t wish death on them, I just expect it. And why shouldn’t I? Tonight there will be lots of murders in cities full of cop hating people who won’t even give information on the criminals in their neighborhood and who will actively hinder police. They hate the cops but their own neighbors are killing them left and right while making it unsafe for their kids too. If they worked with the cops and supported them they would be safer... since they don’t, and I don’t care about some court cases that those people never heard of, then let them live in there own man made hell.
With all due respect it isn't just a social stigma keeping people speaking to cops. It's the fact that police have shown us time and time again they aren't here to protect people, they're here to enforce the law. I mean read Warren vs the District of Columbia. Those women were raped and beaten for literally hours and the cops got off like it was nothing even after the received 3 calls from a neighbor and dispatch sent them 3 times. I think Huey sums up "snitching" perfectly https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Piq4JWkd9UI&t=2s
Sure not snitching is bad but can you seriously say you'd rat out a killer if it meant there's a 90% chance the police will drop you off at home where you're probably going to get killed? Criminals simply don't care and cops don't care either.
While I have had positive experiences with them the overwhelming majority of them are negative. I'm on my the edge of my seat around them and even if im not doing anything, my heart races.
I've been assaulted by them, wrongfully detained, threatened by them, had one of their devil dogs sent on me for mistaken identity and had to take him to court, I've been acosted in my own neighborhood feet from my own apartment!!!
I'm white by the way, so no it's not because of my race.
I trust them.. if I had to defend a wounded officer from an assailant I would do that with out thinking twice. They are people just like the rest of us. Except they do a very dangerous job. They never know how the person in the car they just stopped is going to act. I don't think that I could do that job.
I don't trust them becauss when I was younger they would yell in my face because my parents told them to. I would cry and tell them I did nothing wrong, but they just did it for a power trip
I'm not trying to defend this at all, I'm just wondering; is there a possibility they could've been under the impression (due to what your parents may have told them) that you were starting to go down a bad path and break rules? I know some parents will ask for this to sort of scare their kid away from any sort of bad behaviors. If the cops only went by what your parents said, there's a possibility they saw it as more of a "scared straight" type thing. Not that that makes it right or any less traumatizing for you, just that it may have been from another intention besides a power trip. They might've not believed you when you said you didn't do anything because it's very common for people who actually did to say that. Again, not that it makes it right, just offering another perspective from the cops' side of things.
No because they don't need to protect you, courts show us they are not to be held accountable for their actions and they are hiring more and more lunatics as they scurry to reinforce themselves.
Don't believe me? Read the SCOTUS case Warren vs the District of Columbia then tell me cops can be trusted. Those women were raped for HOURS, damn HOURS and those cops and the dispatch officer got off like it was nothing! SCOTUS knew and still let those men off.
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That's a terrible thing that happened, but it's in no way representative of all cops.
And yet how many cops have tried to overturn the case? If you aren't actively against evil then you are bad because evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
I have a goo relationship with our local police. I attended their Citizens' Police Academy to learn about their procedures, try out some weapons (I put all my rounds in a 7" circle), meet others in the neighborhood, etc.
There are assholes everywhere and in every occupation one bad apple spoils the impression of everyone. They have tough jobs, no one likes to see them usually and are constantly getting attacked, shot at etc they just want to support their fam and come home at the end of the day like us all
Without question I do. 97% of police are good women and men. As with any group of people there will be a small element who are the bad apples in the bunch, they are the ones who need to be weeded out not the 97% who risk their life for us each day.
Are there bad cops? Sure. But the vast majority are not. I have two lifelong buddies who are in law enforcement and the things that they have to deal with are just incredible. Most people could not do their job.
i dont blindly trust them all not least because i have had one lie in court about me and i know several infiltrate groups such as animal rights defenders but the police in general have a job to do and we need them more than we dont
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No. And I happen to have friends & family who are or were. Good cops.
Why?
Because too many nowadays are poorly trained bullies with badges. I'll never forget, after all, a family friend telling me that a big city took on some wife abuser (she never pressed charges but it was no secret) onto the force cause they were so desperate for bodies even this pos loser would do.
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Regarding poorly trained. There's a reason why I've always felt police should serve one year, as a minimum, in the military as it'd teach them a thing or two about how to be authoritative without being bullies, how to be leaders without being jackasses, etc. They've also got limited real life training and/or experience. They've limited mental health training - I worked in mental health, what the average police gets is beyond pitiful & it's ironic when mental health is such an issue. They've limited sensitivity training. They've limited medical training. . Seriously some of them are little more than kids given a gun. And that's dangerous among civilians never mind people who think because they represent the law they're above the law.
"It is a curse to trust in man." Instead, trust the Creator that whatever happens, everything is worked together for the spiritual good of those who humbly, mercifully, and justly Love.
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Yes, of course I trust them. I have had my share of interactions with police during my life and have never experienced anything but professionalism. But then, I am not a law breaker and I don't do stupid things in the presence of police to test them.
I am not so foolish as to think there are not a few bad apples, but I am also not dumb enough to believe they represent the vast majority of police officers.
In A part of Australia the police used a lawyer to give them information on clients the lawyer was acting for. It was basically the lawyer sending the clients they were meant to defend to prison! the police covered it up and tried their best to keep it from being revealed so no for that reason alone I don’t trust them
My country is ruled by a couple of lunatics. From there on I can say you can't trust in the cops of my country, or from any country under a tyrannical government.
Then the Iraq war, Afghanistan war, civil wars, the list goes on. I am not sure where you are trying to get at by stating "You know the US isn't a democracy" then when I provide a girl getting her head bashed in you basically reply with... short clips just won't do it for me so I'm not sure what you view law enforcement or the military but regardless WW3 is coming and Russia, China, and Iran aren't fucking around anymore. I am stepping outside the box and going beyond the colored lines of what you're looking at.
I once saw in paper a mayor bragging how he made more money then last year on tickets and how well city is doing. Almost every day in same paper creepy cops getting busted for pervted acts. They know about cartels. Let some go..😱 Pay to play? Would you trust a mexico cop? They hire Mexican racist cops in america now.. 😱 Trust your family to protect only..
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