Do you find it odd that Right wing people are 'pro life" and are against abortion, but support wars?

[Anonymous]

Yes I find it odd

No I don't find it odd

I'm not sure/other

[WhiteSteve]

Well... in short, yes, there are some conflicting ideals going on in some of those cases, and I’ve wondered some of that myself.

I think what I’m arriving at is that hypocrisy is a very human trait in pretty much anyone, and maybe we’ve overly-demonized it due to the frustration it causes us. Most people on individual levels are going to do what benefits themselves in that particular moment, and they either will rationalize the hypocrisy or just not even have self-awareness of it, because they aren’t offended by the act or the outcome.

If you’re a sports fan, if a penalty is called against the other team, you’re clapping and you agree with the call. If it’s against YOUR team, your player did nothing wrong, the referee is blind as a bat, and should be fired by the league. And it’s all based on your emotions of how that penalty positively or negatively effects you and/or a team (or in political terms, a demographic, a cause, etc) that you’re rooting for to see a positive outcome.

It all comes down to what an individual believes is virtuous and acceptable, which, these days, has been hijacked by politicians and used for their own advantage, plus the very human trait of hypocritical behavior is used to create this monstrous illusion of the other side. That’s not to say that anyone is above anything truly monstrous, I’m just saying we REALLY muddy the water when we make everything, even the non-monstrous behaviors, a political weapon. I pretty much only get to see FoxNews because that’s what my dad watches, and what’s disturbing to me about it is that it reads like a tabloid, particularly the primetime hosts of the op-ed type shows. They’re very hyper-focused on what the other news channels are saying and trying to create the narrative that literally anything you hear from the other side is outright false, which is very dangerous to do, and that goes for CNN and MSNBC too if they engage in that. Like they don’t deliver news as much as they trash the news you may have heard on the other channel... except they know damn well the vast majority of their viewers don’t watch the other channel, so all they know is what Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity tells them, and that then becomes “the narrative”, that any non-conservative news source doesn’t tell the truth, “liberals are bad guys, conservatives are good guys.” So all these conservative people get gassed up and reassured (often through heavily-slanted info) that they’re the ones wearing the white hat, they’re the righteous ones protecting what is good, and while they probably came in thinking that already, it just puts more cement in their boots and they become even less likely to compromise or re-evaluate their beliefs.

I think most folks want to be good people, we’ve all just been very confused as to how that’s done, because all we hear is one side or the other’s virtue-signaling, and some of our respective virtuous ideals come into direct conflict. Many ideals are cloaked as something else, which is a problem. And asking or expecting individual humans to make all the right moves at all times is simply unrealistic. It’s a very complex situation, which is why we’re in seemingly endless debate about it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No, not really. Republicans aren't pro war, democrats are (if you look democrats have consistently had and started more wars then republicans). I mean Obama was the only president in history to be at war for all eight years of his presidency. Biden on his first day authorized the bombing of syria and will more then likely continue to wage his violent wars for the rest of his presidency. Trump on the other hand was staunchly anti war. I mean, did you vote for biden? Did you vote for Obama? Then your pro war. The left isn't the ones complaining about the non stop wars (to be fair its partially because they are just oblivious to what is going on around them), the right on the other hand has been fairly consisten with being anti war and anti interventionalist (Reagen for example was famous for being anti war (again, republican and is considered one of the best republican presidents there was besides Lincoln).

[WhiteSteve]

@hellionthesagereborn Are you meaning to reply to me, bud? I’m not sure I even mentioned war, I was only speaking on the phenomenon of human hypocrisy and the way it affects media and political strategy. I’m not someone who beliefs humans are meant to be governed, I see society as we know at as a major human misstep, so I don’t really focus much on micro-criticisms of society, more just the macro idea of “should we even have governments, countries, etc, because I notice we’re the only animal doing that, and it seems wildly out of bounds in terms of natural order. We don’t need to take up that argument here, I’m just unsure if your comment is directed to me. If you’re Trump or you’re Biden, if you’re George Washington or King George... you’re all fuckin’ up, in my eyes.

[WhiteSteve]

Who believes*

[hellionthesagereborn]

They don't which you would know if you actually spoke to them. Isn't it strange that the left claims to be more empathetic and caring, claiming that capitol punishment is wrong, yet statistically donate far less to charity, support the killing of unborn children, and have presided over the most wars in the history of the united states, and support the mass murdering that is going on in the middle east right now that was done under obama and now is occuring under biden (yet none of you have said a word about this), while also supporting antifa which has violently beaten and killed people (but because it was your political opponents its apparently okay), and who support BLM which burned entire cities to the ground and killed people (but because it was predominantly black neighborhoods and black people killed it was okay by you apparently)?

Meanwhile republicans voted for Trump who was staunchly antiwar and he kept us out of wars. Its almost as if you people are projecting all of your sins onto others in order to continue to delude yourself that your still a decent human being (your not, your hypocrits, and your violent monsters.).

[Asker]

You're *

[hellionthesagereborn]

Grammer/spelling, the last vein attempt at attacking some one who has a far superior argument to their own.(feel free to bitch about this spelling too, it will just further prove you have no argument).

[Asker]

The mass killing was mostly done under Bush, that's when the crazy oil war started. He had unfinished business from his father.

And there are plenty of right wing terrorists and violent people. Just look at Capitol hill.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No. We didn't kill for oil, we where bombed and that is what started the war. I find it interesting though that the moment obama was in charge he was bombing eight different nations and yet people like yourself just ignore that because its not convient. Clinton was bombing Iraq long before Bush was, he also started conflicts in Sudan, Yugoslavia, Afganistan, and Bosnia. So come off it, own your shit.

[Agape93]

That’s because they use the term “pro life” in order to sound noble and make themselves feel good.


But they aren’t. They’re anti choice because that’s what they want; for women to not have a say in their own reproduction, to be at the mercy of men again.

[NorthwestRider]

They would love Saudi Arabia or Iran minus the Muslims

[MzAsh]

Facts Agape

[msc545]

@NorthwestRider Well, maybe not. Saudi Arabia buys arms from them, and Iran provides a convenient target.

[Anonymous]

Yes, the right wing people are a definitely an odd bunch. They love their guns and turf wars.

[Wade8888]

Capital Punishment is the justified killing of someone who has committed a crime worthy of Death and Hell. It's one of the oldest commandments in the Bible, that God said, "Whosoever shed's man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed."

Abortion is the unjustified killing of an innocent human being.

By the way, I'm an independent.

Nobody "wants" war, However, "Offense is the best defense, defense is the planning of an attack." and "If you want peace, prepare for War."

I support higher taxes on the sinfully rich, much higher.
I support social programs to end poverty in the U. S.
I support ending all possible use of fossil fuels in favor of Solar, Wind, and Nuclear energy.

I support a SALARY CAP on entertainers and athletes which would be LESS than that of Doctors. It makes no sense that we pay athletes and actors 100 to 400 times more per year than what a Doctor makes in a year.

[msc545]

It isn't odd when you think about the fact that wars make lots of money for big corporations and defense contractors, and right-wing people are all about money and big business. Given that, they really do not and cannot object to war since every bullet fired and every missile launched has to be replaced, which makes them plenty of money. Money is their God.

That said, there are multiple reasons that they are against abortion. The major reason is that they need a large pool of poorly educated (they hate education) laborers to work at low-level jobs and make them money without complaining. The second, less obvious reason is that many of them are evangelical Christians, and they are genuinely afraid of death and going to hell, and because of this feel that they must object to abortion. Notably, they don't care what happens to the child after birth - they just don't want it killed prior to birth.

They are, all in all, horrible people.

[Savage_Wisdom]

"The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

I don't agree with senseless, or pointless Wars. However, so long as humans have free will, there will always be someone stupid enough to believe he's better than everyone else, and a thousand other people stupid enough to believe and fight and die for them. Granted, not every war that has ever been fought has been for the right reasons, but enough have.

[msc545]

No war since WW II has been fought for "the right reasons".

[Savage_Wisdom]

While you have a point for Vietnam and Korea, since I was just sticking your noses in wars that didn't involve us. And Iraq has the whole "oil" thing, but people forget Al Qaeda attacked the US directly, not once, not twice, but six times prior to 9/11. They needed to be stopped.

[Kaneki05]

Sighs your like the right winged person who said a same dumb thing. About death penalty and abortion.
And i will not repeat the same effort to explain why this is not odd... and don't make any sense. So i will just simply say there is other many variables than just focusing one the it's Life aspect. Focusing on one thing not the millions of variables around is not identifying it as the exact same thing and there been hypocrites.

[Ally247]

I find it odd that they say my body my choice when it comes to not wearing a mask, and want the right to carry a gun, but they completely disregard anothers rights when it comes to abortion.

[Ilickvulvas]

Because the baby inside you isn’t just yours

[Ally247]

If I'm carrying it, and I'm going to birth it, and I'm looking after it, that baby is mine.

[Ilickvulvas]

That isn’t true. If you’re gonna abort it then the father has every right to it

[Ally247]

The father isn't the one physically birthing the baby. The father also can easily leave a child and run. There's no guarantees. A mum is the one who is going through the birthing process, which is not easy.

[Ilickvulvas]

The fact is if you’re going to abort and he wants it then you don’t have the right to abort. Just because it’s inside you doesn’t mean it’s 100% yours

[Ally247]

You can't take away a woman's right lmao

[Ilickvulvas]

The fetus is not your right to do with as you wish. Fathers have rights too

[Ally247]

It's in her body

[Ilickvulvas]

That doesn’t matter. You’re hung up on that. If you abort a baby the father wanted you’ll be in deep legal shit especially when your only answer is it’s your body your choice

[Ally247]

No you won't lmao. Men shouldn't be able to control what happens to her body. She's the one who could have health complications, not him

[Ilickvulvas]

It’s not about your body. It’s about the fetus

[Ally247]

Who is in her body

[Ilickvulvas]

The fetus that is half his

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well you see its the difference between your rights and some one elses. I mean forcing some one to wear a mask against their will, to ban them from working and providing for their families, is a violation of there rights. You murdering an unborn child that you created is violating that unborn childs right to live. So their is no inconsistency with that, its actually very consistent, you don't have the right to violate another human beings rights.

So are you saying that your against mask mandates then?

[BrosephBrostar]

Do you remember when Alex Jones literally cried on air when Trump launched missiles at Syria?

When you say that "the Right" is for pro-life but also pro war, you're probably thinking the Bushes, the Kochs, the Cheney's, the McCains etc., you're talking about the Neocons, whose only difference from the Neoliberals, the Clintons, the Obamas etc., is that they have a Jesus coat of paint on them.

The populist right despises the endless wars the same the populist left does.

[JDavid25]

Since when is being pro-war a Republican thing. Last I remember Hilary was pro-war, Barack Obama bombed Libya and Syria (I think), and Joe Biden just bombed a place.. And a lot of Republicans were praising Trump because he didn't start any wars..

[Aurora1010]

Yeah you're right about obama and obama also armed cartels as well

[Aurora1010]

As for trump, I can respect that he didn't go on with a plan of his because he didn't want to kill Iranian civilians

[JDavid25]

@Aurora1010 Of course Most definitely...

[Aurora1010]

The Middle East wouldn't be in this mess if the west didn't plan the overthrow of gadafi which gave rise to the arab spring
It is common sense

[Aurora1010]

I mean syria. But other Middle Eastern and European countries became affected by it because of the mass immigrations

[Aurora1010]

Ooooops i triggered some 'snowflakes' with the truth

[Solo22]

Removing Gaddafi was definitely a mistake.

[hellionthesagereborn]

The west didn't plan that, the democrats did. Just like they bombed the shit out of syria non stop under obama and are currently resuming that bombing under Biden.

[888theGreat]

gadafi was murdered by Hillary/Obama. He had changed and was an African statesman trying to unite Africa and stopping the theft of African resources like diamonds, Rhodium, and other gem stones and resources. He was anti banks too and that is a death sentence today.

[888theGreat]

Again more lies from a Socialist. Isn't funny how liberals have no clue what Conservatives believe. Just like left wing media, clueless. Conservatives hate wars. They are debt driven expenses. It is Democrats and left wing Republicans that like wars. Trump had no wars. Obama had wars, LBJ had war, Clinton's had wars, Roosevelt had wars, and Truman had wars.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yeah, Trump and Reagen are considered the best recent republican presidents and both where anti war and non interventionalists, yet some how republicans are constantly painted as the war mongers.

[NorthwestRider]

They are only against abortions because they want to control women and think women should be submissive slaves

If men can get abortions, they would be okay with it

[MillenniumBill]

I find it odd that Democrats, the champions of the working man, raise taxes without remorse or impunity so as to put businesses out of business and the working man out on the street.
(Hypocrisy works both ways)

[Anonymous]

Because a child who did nothing is morally equivalent to WW2 Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, or Mussolini? Of course they aren't and your argument doesn't hold water. Maybe Senile Joe finds them morally equivalent as he's bombing people for no reason and supports killing children in the womb. So it looks like you've got your facts crossed.

[Meldrum]

Teathugs are pro-life because once born and raised, (through no help from them), they are prime cannon fodder.

[Avicenna]

@Irondrago: It's actually good that they spout off- provides undisputable evidence how much they hate us and what they want to do to us- they don't even bother hiding it in the least.

[msc545]

@Irondrago reported = you racist piece of shit.

[Meldrum]

@Irondrago I made an observation concerning the question. You one tooth knuckle draggers with a third-grade education lack the ability to have a reasonable, and civil conversation. Your bigotry and ignorance will follow you throughout your life, and you'll blame everyone else for your failures. Yes, I too shall report your asinine rant.

[TOTEMPLASTER]

It is the left wing loons who love war. Conservatives prefer to take over or subjugate countries by economic means whereas Democrats like bombing and killing.

[msc545]

Much as I hate to admit it there is a little bit of truth in this. Not all that much though. Bush the lesser didn't exactly take over countries by economic means - he invaded and killed as many people as possible.

[Jack9949]

We don’t support wars. We backed Trump who got us out of them

[Anonymous]

Its funny because between hillary and trumnp jhillary would have gotten us into a war and trump tried to bring our troops home but the army pleaded for more time. he sjhould have ignored those cunts and brought them all home

[NaultD]

It's not that off if you change the main point as punishment.

[Ilickvulvas]

What are you supposed to do when your embassies are bombed by terrorists? Pay them so they won’t do it again like obama did?

[Ilickvulvas]

Or kill the ones responsible like Trump did

[OddBeMe]

Religion taints people’s conscious. They don’t care about 1 in 5 children starving to death. But aborting a bean sized fetus? No!

[Avicenna]

That's inaccurate- they support the troops.

[msc545]

Supporting troops means bringing them home from meaningless wars and treating them for the injuries they sustained while fighting in order to line corporate pockets.

[Avicenna]

@msc545: That‘s only part of it. While they’re still deployed, they still need our support and morale and safety are multi-dimensional.

I suggest you actually talk to people about such nuances before assuming what they support.