Are you with the death penalty?

[Al-Pacino]

I just sew an old video on youtube where a man held a 18 year old girl at gun point in broad day light and raped her in the car for 30 mins, i was heart broken.


I strongly agree with the death penalty for killers and rapists, they will never change even in jail.

Why give them free food!, why let them breath!

I never expect all people to be good but i expected the law to be fair and direct.

Vote and let me know that there are still humans with dignty and pride.

I'm 100% with the death penalty for killers and rapists.

I'm against the death penalty because...

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+1 y

This man ruined the young girl's life, she wouldn't live happily like other girls do. You will realize what is a rapist when you see one in real life, they aren't humans. They don't have emotions, they don't fucking deserve to live.

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+1 y

he destroyed her whole life in 5 mins.

[nightdrot]

Voted "No." The purpose of the law in general and the penal system in particular is first and foremost, to protect society, second to punish the guilty and third and least, to reform the criminal if possible. In that order.

Capital punishment, generally speaking, does not seem to afford those benefits. First, it is the surety of punishment, not its severity, that is a deterrent to crime. If an individual is sure that they will be punished, they will likely not act. If that individual believes that they might get away with it, they will likely run the risk.

So in that sense, capital punishment fails its first and most important test. It does not deter and therefore it does not protect the society. Throw in that it applies only in cases of premeditation - crimes of passion are not premeditated - and the range of those whom capital punishment applies becomes proportionately smaller.

Secondly, it is axiomatic that we shape our laws and then our laws shape us. In that context, capital punishment reflects - and is a result of - the society's treatment of life as a means rather than an end. In this it is the parallel of the abortion argument. The planted axiom of liberal abortion laws is that life has no value save that which each individual attributes to it, therefore the law has no proper standing to afford it protection.

Capital punishment is a case of the society deciding that the value of life is contingent rather than absolute. That action decides life's value rather than life's inherent worth. When the society places vengeance over any inherent value to life, it will apt in its larger context to see more of the former and value the latter less and less.

To be sure, in the matter of capital punishment that is at the margins and dealing with decidedly unsympathetic individuals. Arguably the case can be made that "killing the killer" suggests that society places a much higher value on life. However, on balance, the inspiration of capital punishment is vengeance and not justice and thus both the value of life and the value of justice is undermined.

Beyond that, humans are imperfect and there are issues related to failings of the legal system. In the question of justice, the accidental execution of the innocent is not an injustice that can be undone. Indeed, it is what suggests that vengeance - and not justice - is what inspires laws that condone capital punishment.

In short, capital punishment harms society with too few countervailing benefits.

[OlderAndWiser]

In the US, the death penalty cannot be applied to crimes that do not involve the death of another human. While federal law says that someone who commits treason can receive the death penalty, that law is invoked very rarely and anyone sentenced to death under that law would challenge the application of the death penalty in their case.

The only problem I have with the death penalty - and it is not a small problem - is guaranteeing that a truly innocent person has not been wrongfully convicted.

[NamerOfStars]

There ARE humans with dignity and pride; when that pride comes in being human, it extends to having due process for everybody, no matter WHAT they're accused of- including rape. And a dead man can't appeal.

Ever hear of Emmett Till? His story is what happens when people rush to judgement and kill somebody for sexual assault. His was an extreme case; I don't think you're pushing for mob justice, but the only thing he did was WHISTLE at a woman, and got himself killed for it. So long as false convictions happen, I can't in good conscience agree with the death penalty.

[Al-Pacino]

Whistling is harassment not rape.

[NamerOfStars]

It's harassment only if it's made clear the recipient wants to stop and you refuse; otherwise, it's just whistling. But she accused him of raping her, and the mob beat and lynched him for it. She only came clean decades later.

[Al-Pacino]

They didn't have evidence and they gave the penalty.

The penalty isn't the problem, the problem is with stupid investigation.

[Al-Pacino]

If there is proof kill them.

[NamerOfStars]

And stupid investigation isn't limited to bigoted rednecks seventy years ago. If they just threw him in prison, he'd've appealed and gotten out, since he didn't do anything wrong.

[Al-Pacino]

Like i said the problem was they didn't have proof and they did him wrong.

They shouldn't have done it with out proof.

If someone didn't have proof then put him in jail but if their was proof kill them.

[NamerOfStars]

And if the proof is misapplied, or misinterpreted, or flat-out incorrect? Killing someone can't be taken back.

[Al-Pacino]

It should be done when it's 100% proofed and there wasn't a spacial case.

[NamerOfStars]

Okay- but that's never happened once in the history of human jurisprudence.

[Al-Pacino]

And that's just depressing.

[NamerOfStars]

That it is.

[ZackBan]

Problem with the death penalty is the wait. That is the part that is inhumane locking someone up telling them when they're gonna die.

I think a solution needs to be that in cases such as these instead of an arrest warrent the judge signs a death warrant from the beginning, meaning officers will be accompanied by an executioner that will put down the criminal as soon as he is arrested. Of course if he resists standard procedure involves the other officers shooting him instead

[MrKinktastic]

If the criminal justice system was perfect and there was a 0% chance of ever executing an innocent person I’d be for it. But that’s not the reality we live in and it’s unlikely to happen anytime soon so because of the risk of executing an innocent man I think it’s more useful to make them live with the consequences of their actions.

[exitseven]

The thing about the death penalty is that there is only a 0% chance they will offend again.

[Al-Pacino]

And that's a good thing, right?

Don't you think!

[exitseven]

yes.

[kitkills]

Kill the rapists, I don't give a fuck. But I don't believe that murderers should be sentenced to death, for reasoning that would take much too long to explain with little payoff. Murderers cause pain and suffering for the family of the victims, but they didn't experience it firsthand, leaving no FIRSTHAND trauma of the events. Rapists leave firsthand suffering for the victim. The death sentence should be much more filtered.

[kkirk4442]

I'm against the death penalty, because it's so unequally applied, and some prosecutors ram rod people into convictions, and withhold pertinent exculpatory evidence.

[DarcRefractions]

no because of stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/BMBA4J9P3N4https://www.youtube.com/embed/QLTqym2Zjpo

[Anonymous]

The State cannot be trusted with the power of life and death but there certainly are a lot of people who should be fuel in a dumpster fire.

The solution?

Firearms and the right to plant your feet and shoot to kill.

[FunkyMonkee]

For murderers, yes.
For rapists, cut their dick off!! Make it KNOWN that a rapist will get their dick cut off and that just MIGHT reduce rapes quite a bit!!

[Dchrls78104]

I'm with the death penalty for murder, rape, or terrorist acts.

[Avicenna]

there are some circumstances in which capital punishment is appropriate

[Al-Pacino]

And i gave you the circumstances which is rape!

Does rape have circumstances!

Does raping a woman at night different from day light!

[John_Doesnt]

Countries with the death penalty generally have higher crime. The only exception is Japan, but that's because their society has a much better culture about crime in general.

[TheUniqueOne96]

Yes, definitely for the example you mentioned too, I hope the bastard rots.

[Punkbuster107]

Who was holding a camera and filming a girl get raped for 30 minutes so they could put it on their YouTube channel?

[Al-Pacino]

Street camera in sao paulo Brazil, look it up.

[Punkbuster107]

Regarding the death penalty, let’s put it this way.

If I were in a community on a desert island where we had hardly enough food for everyone, and there was a dangerous person in the island who was doing us wrong, I’d be okay with killing him because you don’t really have a better option. It’s not like you can build him a cell and assign people to feed him and watch over him all day, you’d likely be putting the death sentence on the rest of the community by doing so.

That said, I don’t live on a desert island, I live in the USA. I believe since we have the resources to just keep someone locked up for life rather than killing them, that is preferable, because I think human life is deemed sacred by God regardless of what a person does. I’d need a practical reason for supporting the death penalty, like if someone made the case that the person is too smart or powerful to be contained by a prison, and the risk of their escape was extreme.

[Al-Pacino]

I strongly disagree, prisoners have a budget and that money should have gone to the poor.

Prison food should have gone to the poor.

Also, why let him live!

Why not let all criminals out there know that if they do such thing they would die!

Why a person who stole gets the same punishment as someome who raped or killed!

[Al-Pacino]

That's why the crime rate in america is highter than most countries.

[Al-Pacino]

Law shouldn't be black or white.

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes, I do. To keep people safe, some lives need to be taken

[Agape93]

Yeah 110%