
Can you think of any laws that give the government the ability to make decisions about the male body?

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In a lot of States if a woman attacks you you cannot hit them you will get in trouble you will get in a lot of trouble it doesn't matter if that woman starts trying to scratch your eyes out or repeatedly close at you or if she kicks you in your nuts you can't hit her back you will get in a ton of trouble. (Just so you know a kick in the balls has a long-term effect on a man's body including the production of testosterone, their brain and how it works, your ability to reproduce, various health side effects that I don't remember and of course your body is going to go through severe pain for quite a while and it is a miserable existence for those who go through it I have also had my balls kicked but I am one of the lucky men)
If a woman rapes a man and gets pregnant the man has to pay child support
I repeat if a woman use a type of aphrodisiac on a man and rapes him and then gets pregnant he has to pay child support despite the fact that he didn't actually do anything to conceive that child that was not his fault he really didn't have anything to do with it other than the woman had used him without his permission
I repeat again if a woman rapes a man and she gets pregnant the man has to pay child support but if a man rapes a woman she can get rid of the kid whether it be putting him up for adoption or going through a abortion
Ultimately both sides have really bad things happening to them due to like legal stuff and also cultural stuff and both have equally bad things for example while women might not be able to have an abortion in some states soon men also really aren't allowed to defend themselves and if a woman says she was raped then buy the majority of people that woman was raped by that man even after he's proven innocent he is still a rapist in the eyes of the public and might even still be a rapist in the eyes of the law
Fact is everyone is a victim here and if everyone's a victim no one is
Every single person has issues and every single race and every single sex or gender or whatever construct you want to add they have issues they have tons of them the world is just flat out unfair and crappy for everyone who doesn't have an entire community backing them up and being there shield for literally everything they do and even then they still will probably get in trouble if someone does the right thing to screw them over
No one is safe and everything sucks
for as much freedom we Americans think we have we have even less than that and even then a lot of Americans are already aware that we aren't as free as the government likes to say we are.
That’s actually a good question and I cannot currently think of any such laws.
I’m guessing you’re referring to the recent abortion issues/topics in the news correct? I’ve felt that abortion, as a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, seems odd to a lot of people. I think it should be up to the states to decide how they feel about abortion because remember it isn’t simply about a woman’s body.
If it was, no one would disagree.
Everyone would agree.
Obviously, people feel like this is killing a living being over wrong or irresponsible decisions a woman has made.
It’s a get-out-of-jail free card somewhat.
“Hey, I just made a bunch of bad/irresponsible decisions and now I want to kill my baby.”
No…. I’m sorry, but I don’t agree or support this. Why would I want my money going to this if I can help it? I don’t feel bad for these women.
We all have reasonable control over our actions.
No one accidentally gets pregnant generally speaking or randomly ( not talking about rape obviously).
I saw a post yesterday that said “Stop abortion at the source. Vasectomies are reversible. Make every young man have one. When he’s deemed financially and emotionally fit to be a father it will be reversed. What’s that? Did the idea of regulating a man’s body make you uncomfortable? Then mind your fucking business.” Best post I’ve seen in a while, because you can guarantee that if the law system was trying to control male bodies, men would cause a giant uproar about it and fight against it. But since it’s womens bodies who are being controlled - most men are like meh 🤷🏻♀️
congress / judicial courts are the decision making bodies for the country. In every country, there is always a group that makes the decision for the rest. Maybe go to school more and you wouldn't be asking this question.
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The fucking draft!
In 1981, I could not get a student loan unless I - an 18-year-old male at the time - registered for Selective Service. I had to register within 30 days of turning 18. Lord, I was pissed-off that I had to do that because 1) I didn't like the idea of killing and more peaceful in nature and 2) Females didn't have to do that to get their student loans!
HERE YOU GO:
https://www.sss.gov/register/who-needs-to-register/#:~:text=Almost%20all%20male%20US%20citizens,be%20inducted%20into%20the%20military.
TITLE: Who Needs to Register
SUBTITLE: Almost all male US citizens and male immigrants, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service.
It’s important to know that even though he is registered, a man will not automatically be inducted into the military. In a crisis requiring a draft, men would be called in a sequence determined by random lottery number and year of birth. Then, they would be examined for mental, physical, and moral fitness by the military before being deferred or exempted from military service or inducted into the Armed Forces.
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So, while you are bitching about the government taking away your ability to have an abortion (*), we have to deal with the government's ability to send us off to get us killed.
(*) I am an abortion-rights supporter, so I empathize with what is going on.
https://www.sss.gov/register/men-26-and-older/
TITLE: Men 26 and Older
According to law, a man must register with Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday. Selective Service accepts late registrations up until a man reaches his 26th birthday.
Failure to register is a felony and non-registrants may be denied the following benefits for life:
* State-based student loans and grant programs in 31 states
* Federal job training under the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act (formerly Workforce Investment Act)
* Federal (and many state and local) jobs
* Up to a 5-year delay of U. S. citizenship proceedings for immigrants
SUBTITLE: What’s Next?
If you failed to register prior to reaching age 26, and are now being denied eligibility for federal or state benefits due to your failure to register, you can explain to the official handling your case (for example, HR Specialist) the reasons for your failure to register with Selective Service.
The burden of proof is on the person seeking the denied right or benefit.
You may be asked for an official response from the Selective Service System, which is referred to as a “status information letter.”
SUBTITLE: What Does the Law Say?
Pursuant to federal law, a person required to register with Selective Service, but who failed to register, may not be denied any federal right or benefit if he can show by a preponderance of the evidence (e. g. more-likely-than-not) that his failure to register was not knowing and willful. See 50 U. S. C. 3811(g).
The final decision regarding a non-registrant’s eligibility for employment lies with the department or agency granting the right or benefit.
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The law cited above is under United States Code Title 50, Chapter 49 - Military Selective Service
www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/chapter-49
50 U. S. Code Chapter 49 - MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE
§ 3801. Short title; Congressional declaration of policy
§ 3802. Registration
§ 3803. Persons liable for training and service
§ 3804. Volunteer service of physicians and dentists; minimum period
§ 3805. Manner of selection of men for training and service; quotas
§ 3806. Deferments and exemptions from training and service
§ 3807. Bounties for induction; substitutes; purchase of release
§ 3808. Separation from service
§ 3809. Selective Service System
§ 3810. Emergency medical care
§ 3811. Offenses and penalties
§ 3812. Nonapplicability of certain laws
§ 3813. Notice of requirements of this chapter; voluntary enlistments unaffected
§ 3814. Definitions
§ 3815. Repeals; appropriations; termination date
§ 3816. Utilization of industry
§ 3817. Savings provision
§ 3818. Effective date
§ 3819. Authority of President to order Reserve components to active service; release from active duty; retention of unit organizations and equipment
§ 3820. Procedural rights
THERE YOU GO... THE LAW GIVING THE GOVENMENT THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT MALES (and, obviously, their bodies)
50 U. S. Code § 3802 - Registration
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this chapter it shall be the duty of every male citizen of the United States, and every other male person residing in the United States, who, on the day or days fixed for the first or any subsequent registration, is between the ages of eighteen and twenty-six, to present himself for and submit to registration at such time or times and place or places, and in such manner, as shall be determined by proclamation of the President and by rules and regulations prescribed hereunder. The provisions of this section shall not be applicable to any alien lawfully admitted to the United States as a nonimmigrant under section 1101(a)(15) of title 8, for so long as he continues to maintain a lawful nonimmigrant status in the United States.
(b) Regulations prescribed pursuant to subsection (a) may require that persons presenting themselves for and submitting to registration under this section provide, as part of such registration, such identifying information (including date of birth, address, and social security account number) as such regulations may prescribe.
There's been not draft for over 50 years now. and there won't be another one because its political suicide to do it.
Pregnancies on the other hand happen everyday and for the government to take this away from them will result in the deaths of many women in our country.
these two things are not comparable.
www.politico.com/.../us-military-draft-ends-jan-27-1973-072085
excuse me, make that 49 years since the last soldiers were drafted. my mistake
@Still-alive Yes, they are comparable.
And, no, don't assume that there won't be another draft because it is political suicide.
The draft exists because that's how you fight a necessary war like WW 2.
The draft will never go away because wars will never go away and bipartisan support for a war - like there was 20 years ago - is easily cause enough to have a draft. There wasn't a draft 20 years ago because the US military was capable of handling the enemy. In a big war - like another world war which may happen - enough "boots on the ground" will definitely warrant a new draft.
If you were old enough to remember the last one - you aren't - you'd understand this better.
i study history and have several relatives hat serve in war.
YOU don't have to deal with being drafted every single day of your life. Women on the other hand have to deal with the possibility of having an unwanted pregnancy just about anytime they have sex. and once scotus takes away roe v wade many women will have to face the consequence of having the government force them to have to endure that pregnancy.
They just are not comparable dude. our world war MAY happen although unlikely. pregnancies WILL very likely happen.
"There wasn't a draft 20 years ago because the US military was capable of handling the enemy."
there wasn't a draft because they remember what happened during the vietnam war with all the protests and such. believe me if they knew they could get away with implementing it again at that time they totally would have done it. it was and still is political suicide to even contemplate this.
@Still-alive No, there wasn't a draft because it was unnecessary.
I am sorry that you don't understand that.
For one reason why it was unnecessary is because the nature of jungle warfare is different than desert warfare and the technology was more advanced. I worked in the defense industry 11 years before the Iraq War and what we could do 30 years ago was impressive then. The US military and defensive entities are something you do not want to fuck with. The Russians are currently learning that the hard way with the sinking of their flagship and killing of 8 of their top generals so far including the highest ranking one.
I am leaving it at that and muting the question.
lol ok... you just don't get how politics works it seems. no one in washington would DARE re-institute the draft or people will protest like crazy. think roe v wade being revoked is making people protest now, the draft being reinstated would make it much much worse than that.
anyways just mute things you find inconvenient to you.
Yes. Selective Service.
Men are required to register to be drafted into the military. If drafted you are now effectively property of the US government. They decide what you eat, where you sleep, how much you exercise, which vaccinations will be administered to you, and what amount of danger your life will be in.
“As of January 2016, there has been no decision to require females to register with Selective Service, or be subject to a future military draft. Selective Service continues to register only men, ages 18 through 25.” - https://www.sss.gov/register/women/
“Article I, Section 8, Clause 12 of the United States Constitution: “The Congress shall have Power To …raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years….”
The constitutionality of the Military Selective Service Act (MSSA) has been consistently upheld by the U. S. Supreme Court. As was stated by the Court in the case of Wayte v. United States, 470 U. S. 598 (1985), “Few interests can be more compelling than a nation’s need to ensure its own security. It is well to remember that freedom as we know it has been suppressed in many countries. Unless a society has the capability and will to defend itself from the aggressions of others, constitutional protections of any sort have little meaning. Recognizing this fact, the Framers listed “provid[ing] for the common defense,…, as a motivating purpose for the Constitution and granted Congress the power to “provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States,” Art. I, 8, cl. 1. “In United States v. O’Brien, 391 U. S. 367, 377 (1968), quoting Lichter v. United States, 334 U. S. 742, 756, the Court wrote, ” the power … to classify and conscript manpower for military service is `beyond question.”
There is the legal precedent if you were curious.
Yeah you feel to mention the bill that the conservative party shut down back in 2021 that would also require women to register for selective service. The draft hasn’t been a thing since the 70s
Bullshit the draft hasn’t been a thing since the 1970s.
Men are REQUIRED to register for it. REQUIRED. It doesn’t matter whether or not people have been drafted since the 70s.
Look, I answered your goddamn question and prices you with a law.
I don’t know why you are tying to turn this into some stupid ass argument or debate, or even why in the fuck you feel the need to bring up political parties when you goddamn question made no mention of party politics.
Good day.
Well if you’re so upset about it why didn’t you say something when the bill that would require women to register for selective service was rejected by the conservative party about at 2021
Because I’m okay with registering for selective service. It’s just part of being a dude. I enlisted and went to war. You think I’m upset about selective service? I’m not. Fuck I think we should have universal conscription for fuck’s sake.
I’m not upset about anything. Are you mental? Why are you reading all this weird shit into this? You asked a question about a law concerning men. I provided one.
Why are you making this any more complicated than it has to be? 🤦♂️
Because it was a false equivalent. The draft didn’t even apply to all all men are it apply to unmarried men, then applied to unmarried men without children.
Nope.
Someone posted a poll recently to ask who was excited about the possibility of overturning Roe v Wade. Not one girl voted yes. Only guys did. Those motherfuckers should be faced with their own unwanted pregnancy and see how they feel about it.
Abortion isn't something anyone likes. Few women take the decision lightly. For most, it's an agonizing choice. But there are a lot of valid reasons why it can be the best option.
I don't like the idea of late term abortions unless there is a medical reason. And I'm strongly opposed to the used of serial abortions as a form of birth control. But I do strongly support Roe v Wade.
In general, though, men should fuck off when it comes to dictating what women can do with their own bodies.
I would simply take responsibility for my actions. Just as I would if I got a woman pregnant. If she didn’t want the baby I would pay her to have the baby under the condition when it was born she surrender all parental rights and I would raise the child by myself. It’s not a difficult decision.
The criminal injustice system tends to give women lighter sentences for the same crimes, provided they are ever charged in the first place.
Warren Farrell, PhD wrote a few great books on the topic, including but not limited to The Myth of Male Power and The Boy Crisis. Christina Hoff Sommers PhD wrote another great book on this topic called The war on Boys, specifically refuting a great deal of the devastation Carol Gilligan’s work has done to boys in the last 30+ years. Suzanne Venker has a great podcast that she just restarted producing after taking a break from it which deals with gender relations issues; her tag line “where men and women are equal in value but widely different by nature” remains unsurpassed in my experience for putting words to gender differences. Perhaps if gender studies programs actually studied gender not just feminism there would be greater awareness that there is a whole other half of the species that gets to count too.
Considering a man can be forced to pay child support for children of men who slept with his wife (hence the reason for the divorce), yes.
Considering that men HAVE to register with Selective Service, and women don’t, yes.
Considering that a man can be ruined by false allegations of rape, and have no way toward restitution, yes.
The reason the government tells anybody what to do with their body involves forcing people to make better personal choices and not have the taxpayers pay for it.
Abortion, like, the draft, is simply about money... and if you're willing to die, over it
Yes and no. Abortion is not being forced upon a woman, its a lack of it being allowed. So its not really the same as just "making decisions". Its like saying its illegal to amputate a healthy arm which it mostly is fyi. So there's an example of a medical procedure that is denied to men and people have actually asked for it so clearly the government has and does take away medical options from people in other situations and for both genders. you're also not allowed to just sell your organs like a kidney. Thats illegal. Its your own body part and yet you can't do what you want with it. there's many examples that follow this.
They don't exist.
These laws are made by old, white, christian males.
Organised religion was developed for the purpose of controlling / oppressing the populace, especially women.
Which is funny, because back in the day, abortion was actually part of a priest's job, they had medicine used to induce an abortion. However, this was only if they felt the woman was a sinner and didn't deserve the child, so it was still about oppression.
Like the Supreme Court justices that said RvW was constitutional? Those old white Christian males?
Not that isn't applied equally across to women as well. Seems like they just like to come after women's rights to make choices for their body only.
Name one right of women’s that is under assault that doesn’t involve another being with their own unique DNA being ended.
@DarkWinterNights her life
Selective service..
Women have the right to vote without agreeing to die
In the US, citizens are free to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right to democratically choose their own leaders through the process of casting a ballot in an election once they reach the age of 18. Women achieve this right by the simple act of surviving 18 years. Men may not actualize their basic rights as a citizen without first signing a Selective Service card, in which they agree that at the discretion of the democratically elected government, they will take up arms and die to defend their liberty and way of life. The draft. Men may vote if, and only if, they agree they will face death if required. Women have no such obligation, but they do get to vote for the governments that can potentially send men to meet death. Again, regardless of how you feel about the draft, women have the right to vote without agreeing to be drafted. Men don’t.
Women have the right to genital integrity
Regardless of how you personally feel about the practice of circumcision (I personally find it barbaric, cruel and completely unjustifiable), the legal fact is that infant girls are protected against any genital cutting of any kind and infant boys are not. Many feminists will argue that female genital mutilation (FGM) is a magnitude of brutality beyond male genital mutilation and while that may be true, I do not find the “it’s only a little bit brutal” argument to be very compelling. It’s like saying cutting off a toe is okay because cutting off a foot is much worse. Ultimately, the argument is immaterial to the fact that women have the legal right to be protected from having their body parts sliced off. Men do not.
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Via Wikipedia.
Some States temporarily sterilize men who are sex offenders or pedophiles. But not only is that a ridiculously stupid idea since if they're a danger enough to need to be temporarily sterilized, they should be in prison, but also the government shouldn't be relating people's bodies in these matters. Decisions concerning someone's body should be between them and their doctor, possibly their SO, depending on the patient's personality or needs.
No because they don't exist. And just watch, guys will start bitching about child support, in a post about human rights.
I guess, I can only think of that one that states... if the government really needs to, they can summon all me, body, spirit, mind and soul and send me to war to use me as cannon fodder, you know... for the sake of the nation
the Selective Service, conscription thing... but I am not so sure on it though, maybe it has been updated or changed by now
Selective service, men never had any legal say over abortions, it is very difficult for the law to consider a man a rape victim, a man can still be made responsible for a child that isn't even his or came as a result of intercourse he didn't consent to...
I can go on.
-must wear helmet on motorcycle
-must buckle up before driving
-cannot have alcohol in system while driving-forced masks during COVID-cannot do specific drugs-cannot walk around naked in public-cannot go to places off limits
That’s not specific to men
'YES" ... its called 'the DRAFT'.
As a male citizen YOU are held accountable to report to participate in specialized training that has a history of literally costing many participants THEIR VERY LIVES!
The draft hasn't existed in 50 years, You're old enough.. were you drafted?
Initially I was on a '2S' student deferment and my 'number' was '113' in '74, they had called up to '107' when my 2S expired. I took the ASFAB qualifier exam and because I had my BA in a usable skill, I was offered advanced rank & grade IF I voluntarily enlisted for a 3 yr tour. My Recruiter got a bonus and I got my choice of career field, and SP5 in Combat Photography and a choice of initial duty assignment of either Washington DC or or the Moscow Embassy. I initially took Washington (until I got the quintessential 'DearJohn') so I volunteered to a special assignment 'TDY' in 'Nam & Laos supporting our POWs for the Paris Peace Talks per Gen. Westmoreland. Most rest of what I'd done req'd my 'Top Secret/White House' clearance. SOME of my photos were of Pres. Carter's Inauguration & the Bicentennial events in the Nat'l Army Archives.
That’s awesome I’m glad that you got a choice
Circumcision comes to mind... though it's the parents who make the decision and the government allows it and probably promotes it. Still, making the decision to chop of a part of someone else's body seems like a human right breach to me.
I am thinking that guys can still be drafted into the military. Guys over 18 are still required to register for Selective Service. If we go to war with Russia the draft may have to be resurrected.
The draft doesn’t exist anymore
The selective service act. We get to be forced to have our bodies shot up in wars that we might not support.
Yes, they make us use stamps oh you mean male body.
Ah yes, let me guess. Upset about the Supreme Court saying it’s a state’s choice on what they want to do with abortion and you’re looking for ways to somehow bring men down? Jesus I guess there’s no saving you lol
If they were giving states the ability to take away your autonomy… I’m sure you’d be upset too.
Go ahead, force circumcision idgaf
@Subarugirl have you thought about changing your gender? That card might come in handy during the most oppressive time in history…
Also what about the pro life women that are out there who are happy about this? Just fuck them and their opinion?
There is no law that forces genital mutilation hon
No one is forcing anyone to get an abortion…
I don’t understand… this is a good thing, reports show a lot of black babies are aborted… wouldn’t this be good for democrats? More potential voters to use and manipulate…
Don’t be so coy, you asked this question for a reason lol
So you would you be OK with being forced to sacrifice or donate a part of your body without consent?
Circumcision? Go ahead lol. I was a little boy when it happened so why should I care? As a matter of fact, any grown ass man that complains about that is simply pathetic. There’s murder, rape, and other pressing matters that need attended to and you’re going to complain about a piece of skin that was cut off that you didn’t find out till later? Must be nice to be that privileged lmao
I didn’t say anything about circumcision. Please refer back to my original point.
would you be OK with being forced to sacrifice or donate a part of your body without consent?
What do you want to take from
Me? My Johnson?
Why are you avoiding the question?
If you don’t wanna answer it just say so
Well what part of my body is being “sacrificed” or “donated”? You’re not really helping me out here lmao
Well?
Any of them, blood, kidney, brain, skin, heart, liver, potentially your life.
So you’re comparing taking out vital organs to a procedure such as abortion? Smart
Do you know the toll that pregnancy has on the body or are you just ignorant?
I wish it was a lot worse tbh
Maybe women should just not have sex anymore so they don’t get pregnant and go through such a hard time… make abortion mandatory
Also if it’s so painful why do it? And then complain about it afterwards? Wth is going on with this world? 🤦🏼♂️
Abortion is a choice and pregnancy cannot occur without sperm. So maybe we should just take the bullets out of the gun instead of wearing a bulletproof vest
Has your life ever been threatened by impregnating someone?
Fine with me 🤷🏼♂️ I think humanity needs a great purge anyways lol
So if you want to put a policy like they in place go ahead, I’ll support the bill
Great let me find a list of people who need bone marrow transplants, kidney transplants, liver transplants, heart transplants, and to be adopted… let me know when you have done any of the above
Why don’t you do it?
And those comparisons weren’t at all the same situation. Apples and organges sube girl
Take a moment, reign in your emotions back in, then go read up on the toll the pregnancy puts on the female body. Then come back to me once you’ve educated yourself
Again, you’re so “educated” and yet you would put yourself through that? It’s so painful and hurtful and men are just bastards and we have to take it out on them mentality. I think you’re the one that needs to go back and rethink your priorities.
Nothing else to say huh? Guess I was right
Take a moment to reign your emotions back in calm dow so that you can hold a logical conversation then we can continue
I’m not continuing the conversation here, if you want to talk you can message me
I’m glad that you were able to exercise some self control. That’s bud step in emotional intelligence
You just always have to get the last word in don’t you? You really know how to push buttons and get under people’s skin you know that? Lol
The Selective service comes to mind, only men have to do it. If they get drafted the military basically owns their body.
You mean they have to sign a piece of paper. The draft isn’t even a thing any more and hasn’t been since the early 70s, not to mention when they tried to pass a bill that would also include women in registering for selective service the conservative party shut it down
I think this situation is much more complicated than that. Yes, babies grow inside women bodies. But babies are their own person (debatable at which stage, I know), but making it even more complicated there’s a father that should have a say too.
So you think that people should be forced to sacrifice to sacrifice their bodies and heath against their will… I mean legally, body parts can’t even be taken from corpses without consent. Would you be comfortable donating part of your body, health or potentially your life for someone else with out your consent?
That’s clearly not what I said. And I’m aware this is very emotional for many women because of many other social issues, which I could sympathize with. However, this is an issue with several angles and parties, and can’t be solved with a blanket solution. Extreme case: women can abort whenever they want. If that happened, they could and some would abort babies in the 38th week. Obviously, that’d be beyond her rights as that’s an actual human being been killed. I know it’s an extreme example to support my point of it not being a situation where you can have a blanket solution.
No this is an about emotion this is about people being forced to sacrifice their bodies, their organs, their health, and their lives against their will. I’m asking you if you think that’s OK. So allow me to clarify.
Do you think that the government should have the power to be able to force people to sacrifice themselves against their will to save the life of another?
That’s actually a good question, and the straight answer is no, but again here a blanket solution doesn’t work. The role of the government is to set guardrails to ensure the best for society happens. And allowing a person “kill” another one at will without limitation is not the best for society, that’s allowing abortion at will. So women’s rights end when they affect those another human being, which I don’t know about you but to me an unborn 37-week old baby is a human being.
Selective service and court bias where the father is automatically the bad one. Though if you look outside of laws it's much harder live on your own as a man in general. There aren't any laws that encourage racism but BLM still exists. Government will always make many decisions for us women or man
They're on the table, now.
Vasectomies for every man! They're reversible, it's fine!
Or we just don’t have sex..
@DarkWinterNights sounds better than hours and hours of turtle and a life time of consequence
Mandatory draft into the military, you could technically say that the government is forcing you to put unwanted objects in your body, like lead or copper.
It isn't about them being men, their sex is entirely irrelevant. If men could get pregnant, I'm certain the government would try regulating it precisely the same way.
I seriously doubt that.
Several states still have laws on the books about homosexuality and sodomy. They are rarely enforced.
Subaru girl... why focus on the draft answers when the body parts question is a far better example of how laws control a man's body?
Which ones?
Not just a man's body, but your own body as well. For example, The National Organ Transplant Act, which was passed in 1984, makes it illegal to sell or buy human organs and tissues in the United States. Selling organs and tissues is a crime and violators are subject to fines and imprisonment. That's a law restricting ALL people, male or female or whatever you want to designate. Not only can't you sell your body parts, but except for 10 counties in Nevada, you can't "sell or rent" your body for the purposes of sex anywhere in the USA either! LOL But I'm on your "side" anyway with this abortion issue, albeit for different reasons I think.
No because our body is incapable of creating human life. Men and women serve two different purposes
Stop comparing males to females to try and make some point.
In the US 5 men have been legally murdered by the state this year. No women have. The death penalty disproportionately effects men.
Fortunately I don’t live in a country where the state is allowed to murder it’s citizens
Nothing that is currently in action (as all the guys will scream about the military draft)
Good Question. Great Point little bit different circumstances. But it's a beautiful point
Specifically for men that don’t also apply to women? No but there are other things in the law that seem unfair to men like forcing them to pay child support for kids they never wanted.
No, as I’ve been talking about for the last 24 hours.
Anti abortion laws are- fundamentally…philosophically- the same as passing a law that requires males to donate organs to dying children.
The male body is constantly making more sperm. And sperm is just genetic material. You're not donating an organ at all. Embryos and fetuses are not children.
@Femphile_xoxo missed the point completely. It’s about bodily autonomy.
You went pretty quickly from "GET VACCINATED YOU SELFISH BIGOT!" to "my body my choice". Women are the epitome of contradiction and hypocrisy.
No one was being forced to get vaccinated. That was a personal choice
Well, I think the Post Office IS a government agency.
Can you define "man" anon?
Mail body? What’s that? Oh you mean males? Yes. Selective service. So take the emotional outrage about RvWade somewhere else.
Not really other than crimes like indecent exposure.
Women are not required by law to be drafted, men are! There ya go.
The draft doesn’t exist hon, hasn’t for 50 years
not if I am raped
And technically woman could be drafted too, but that's all hypothetical since the draft was ended
1.5% of abortions are rape victims. Yes this is an exception. However thats not the purpose women want abortions, they and whoever they decide to fuck don't donit responsibly.
No women can not get drafted. They are only volunteers. It was part of the agreement for women to vote. Because women didn't want to go to war so they removed the draft requirement.
Laws change, just like how the draft doesn't exist anymore. Women who want abortions, want them because they are unable to care for a child either, financially, emotionally, or mentally, or all of the above. I got pregnant at 19 because contractive and emergency contraceptive failed.
The nation's first peacetime draft began in 1940 with the enactment of the Selective Training and Service Act and ended in 1973 with the end of the Vietnam War.
I’ll say it again…The nation's first peacetime draft began in 1940 with the enactment of the Selective Training and Service Act and ended in 1973 with the end of the Vietnam War.
The draft no longer exists
You don't...
No at my more so, its isn't even applicable to you and registering is rarely enforced
is that a typo and you mean "male body"? cause I don't know what a mail body is xD
The post office is generally the remit of the government yes.
Seriously? You’ve never heard of selective service?
and how does that affect your body considering the draft hasn't existed in 50 years...
I can tell you firsthand that I had to register for the draft. So not sure what you’re talking about
What draft? There hasn't been a draft in the untied stated since the earl 70s. So which draft are you referring to?
Just because the draft hasn’t been used since the Vietnam War doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
So which draft are you referring to?
Are you fcking serious? Like btch actually read. I didn’t say there was a draft currently
exactly, there hasn't been one in 49 years
Yeah and guess what? Our country can still decide to use the draft again
and if they do, what's to say they won't draft women since they are allowed combat positions now...
Again. You’re deflecting from the argument. You asked about laws that currently control mens bodies and so I gave you one
and I am saying that it hasn't controlled anyone's body in 49 years so it's not really currant is it...
You’re missing the point. I was legally bound by law and required to register for something against my will.
and I am legally bound to register for the census against my will... neither of which affects you bodily autonomy unless you have an issue holding a pen...
But I might have an issue with being murdered in a battlefield in Iraq if it ever came to that?
Can you fcking read?
Oh now you want to talk about hypotheticals...
Its impossible to predict what might happen 30 years in the future but clearly you just like to pretend you know everything
in 30 years you wouldn't even be eligible... so that's kind of crappy hypothetical. But since there are bills currently in the works to include women in registering for selective service it would stand to reason by that point men and women would be required to register.
In 30 years some other male member of society might find themselves in that situation. And who’s to say that in 10 years Russia won’t invade some NATO country that we’re bound to defend?
There still wouldn't be need for a draft. Considering every nation in NATO would be sending troops...
A judge in Texas sentenced a man to chemical castration after being convicted as a pedophile.
Nice, where is the article? Lina Medina gave birth at 5 years old after being raped by a family member because she was denied an abortion.
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Forcing men to go into the military and dying on the battle field.
Any other questions?>
The draft hasn't existed for 50 years. Have anything currently applicable?
if this country goes to war tomorrow, males will be dying in the battle field.
Also, there may not be a current draft, but why are only 18 year old males forced to register for the selective service? You want equality? Than be willing to take the bad with the good.
I do want equality, including having woman register for selective service but the Conservative party shot that down back in 2021..
Yeah I mean the draft.
Literally forced to possibly sacrifice your life.
The draft hasn't existed for 50 years
The nation's first peacetime draft began in 1940 with the enactment of the Selective Training and Service Act and ended in 1973 with the end of the Vietnam War. Look it up. Registering for selective service and the draft aren’t the same thing
www.thesun.co.uk/news/17755781/us-military-draft/
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and technically women were barred because they were barred from combat positions which is no longer the case
Either way it's not something that affects your autonomy since it is just a registry, which you aren't even eligible for. If there was a draft that would be a different story, but there hasn't been one in 50 years.
It's not the same as abortion (which I think is the point you're pushing) because it's a hypothetical, not an active thing and has only been a hypothetical thing for my lifetime.
But it definitely fits your criteria of "a law that gives the government the right to make decisions about the male body"
Yes we've been drafted into wars to die to machine fire.
We? You’ve never been drafted, the draft hasn’t been a thing since the 70s
no but i could be. you asked the question and i answered.
Actually no, you couldn’t since the draft was ended in the 70s
dude u asked "Can you think of any laws that give the government the ability to make decisions about the mail body?"
i just told you of one. where 18 year old men were shot down to protect YOUR freedoms.
And women weren’t allowed to vote… but that isn’t applicable anymore
dude i've already explained to you a law that you asked for that is still in effect. like holy shit.
Actually the draft is not hon… look it up it hasn’t been since the 70s
so anyways. you asked for a law. and i gave you one that sent young men to their deaths.
That doesn’t exist anymore, give me one that does
seeing as how i had to sign up for it when i turned 18, its still in effect. you can deny this fact and deny that men were sent to their deaths but you'd just be delusional.
Someone must have missed history class look it up. The draft was ended in the 70s
I don’t think you understand. Me have been called to war against their will. Men can still be called against their will. It still exist whether or not there’s a draft right now.
You asked “can you think of any laws that give the government the ability to make decisions about the male body?”
And I just gave you an answer of a law that still exist. I don’t know else it can be explained to you.
So can women honey
The nation's first peacetime draft began in 1940 with the enactment of the Selective Training and Service Act and ended in 1973 with the end of the Vietnam War.
https://www.usa.gov/selective-service
Here hopefully a professionals words will help you understand honey.
A draft is the mandatory enrollment of individuals into the armed forces. The United States military has been all-volunteer since 1973. But an act of Congress could still reinstate the draft in case of a national emergency. The Selective Service System is the agency that registers men and is responsible for running a draft
Almost all men ages 18-25 who are U. S. citizens or are immigrants living in the U. S. are required to register with Selective Service. Citizens must register within 30 days of turning 18. Immigrants must register within 30 days of arriving in the U. S.
Men in the U. S. on student, visitor, or diplomatic visas and men who are incarcerated are not required to register. For other exemptions and for transgender people, see the Who Must Register (PDF, Download Adobe Reader) chart.
Conscription, though nothing really to that large of an extent.
I'm waiting for the high-quality rebuttal from the angry feminists about the Selective Service law that only affects men. 🤣🤣🤣
Oh you mean selective service referring to the draft that hasn’t been implemented since the 70s, not to mention that the conservative party shut down a bill that would have also required woman to register for the selective service back in 2021
and how many men were drafted and lost their lives from the draft? Hey, I don't hear you complaining about the conservatives shutting down that bill that protected women's bodies while continuing to leave men's at risk. That's about what I expected though.
Actually I was extremely vocal about it, apparently you didn’t care enough to notice though..,
There may not be such a law today, but it may have been in the past. You have to look at history.
Oh lord here we go. Military draft and yes i had to sign draft papers once i turned 18
Nope I can't think of any here in the USA at least
Covid vaccination mandates.
That’s not specific to men honey
Well try telling that to all of the non-medical personnel who lost their careers because of vaccine mandates. For the sake of full transparency, I'm vaccinated and support getting vaccinated, but strongly oppose the mandates in non-medical fields. There's also the Selective Service as a response example to your question.
It was their choice. Last I checked inoculation requirements have been required by employers for decades. Employers have the right to terminate the employment of employees who do not adhere to their requirements.
Doctors cannot get their license if they’re not vaccinated, nurses cannot receive their licenses if they’re not vaccinated, first responders and police officers cannot receive their licensing if they refuse to be vaccinated. The same goes for day cares and schools. If you don’t want to follow the rules you’re more than entitled not to.
That's not really accurate. Covid vaccination mandates were created and implemented by the federal government, not employers. Companies and other places of employment didn't get together and create the Covid mandates. Employers were forced to follow Covid mandates or face large fines and/or lose employees. Employees were forced to follow Covid mandate requirements or lose their careers. Neither of those things would've transpired without the federal government's breathing down the necks of companies and workers with their Covid mandate enforcement. Also, I deliberately stated "non-medical personnel" in my examples (because I believe that if you choose to work in the medical field, there are additional medical protocol expectations that come with the territory, compared to other fields of employment), so I'm not sure why you countered with doctors and nurses as examples.
Only they mail the male body
Intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing.
Every aborted male is affected by laws
What a joke
Maybe the draft (do they still do that?)
Public schools and the military.
Lmao.
WAR
Child support
Alimony
all of which affect women too...
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