A brain is what makes humans... human. Brain-death is considered death of the person, so brain activity is what should be the major determining factor in my opinion.
I can see lot of people say "we declare someone dead when the heart stops beating, so the opposite would make sense" When someone's heart stops beating they were a fully functioning human. As long as that fetus is not capable of independent life, it is not fully functioning, maybe alive but definitely not a whole human being.
I feel like brain activity is the step that's missing here. The heartbeat only matters because it supplies blood to the brain, but he heart in a fetus develops before the first signs of brain activity. Braindeath, even without the stopped heart, is when the person is considered dead.
Ain't by this definition most teenagers "parasites only surviving on their hosts" (parasites can be both inside or outside the host) when they only take resources and don't help at home?
@Mango-man yes and no. Teenagers exist on their own, and they can go and work to support themselves. They stay alive if they don't receive pocket money. A bunch of cell will only exist as long as the host is alive
Yes, they can go to work in order to get resources necessary to keep them alive, but only because their lifeform is adapted to their current environment.
However as microbiologist, I could argue that even the "bunch of cells" is a life that is highly adapted to its environment. All living requires nutrients and proper place to live (fish dies on land and yet it was alive untill we took it out of water, thermophilic archaea dies when the hydrothermal vent stops working) and it is the change of environment that kills the bunch of cells. Human in coma will also die if doctors pull the plug and don't feed the patient intravenously yet the patient is still considered "alive" despite being unable to function in their own and existing only as long as the host machine is functioning.
I would have to say conception, but make a distinction beween life and personhood. Personhood would come at a point far closer to birth than conception, when the fetus is fully formed and viable.
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When there is a heartbeat detected, see my cousin was pregnant but they never got a heartbeat detected and had miscarriage at the house here is quite a sight for me to see.
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A brain is what makes humans... human. Brain-death is considered death of the person, so brain activity is what should be the major determining factor in my opinion.
Human life begins at birth, until then it is a "parasite" only surviving in the host.
I can see lot of people say "we declare someone dead when the heart stops beating, so the opposite would make sense"
When someone's heart stops beating they were a fully functioning human.
As long as that fetus is not capable of independent life, it is not fully functioning, maybe alive but definitely not a whole human being.
I feel like brain activity is the step that's missing here. The heartbeat only matters because it supplies blood to the brain, but he heart in a fetus develops before the first signs of brain activity. Braindeath, even without the stopped heart, is when the person is considered dead.
@kudoma You have a very good point there.
Ain't by this definition most teenagers "parasites only surviving on their hosts" (parasites can be both inside or outside the host) when they only take resources and don't help at home?
@Mango-man yes and no. Teenagers exist on their own, and they can go and work to support themselves. They stay alive if they don't receive pocket money.
A bunch of cell will only exist as long as the host is alive
Yes, they can go to work in order to get resources necessary to keep them alive, but only because their lifeform is adapted to their current environment.
However as microbiologist, I could argue that even the "bunch of cells" is a life that is highly adapted to its environment. All living requires nutrients and proper place to live (fish dies on land and yet it was alive untill we took it out of water, thermophilic archaea dies when the hydrothermal vent stops working) and it is the change of environment that kills the bunch of cells. Human in coma will also die if doctors pull the plug and don't feed the patient intravenously yet the patient is still considered "alive" despite being unable to function in their own and existing only as long as the host machine is functioning.
Conception, the nicest way in which I can say this but the seeds already been sewn and new life with it.
I would have to say conception, but make a distinction beween life and personhood. Personhood would come at a point far closer to birth than conception, when the fetus is fully formed and viable.
I will say when the heart starts beating and the baby kind of becomes independent from the mom's body.
When there is a heartbeat detected, see my cousin was pregnant
but they never got a heartbeat detected and had miscarriage at
the house here is quite a sight for me to see.
A question for priests and philosophers not politicians.
Religion and politics , mixing them ALWAYS, leads to horrible things.
At birth when they cross over to earth side and take their first breath.
When puberty hits. Iono wtf we was before that but it wasn't human.
People are considered dead when their heart stops. The opposite makes the most sense.
You know you can bring back the heartbeat after the heart stops?
@Cubus Braindead with a heartbeat isn’t life either.
When the sperm grow tails. Unfortunately, I can't say I helped all of them be all they could be.
When the baby has brain waves it is now a person and not just a conglomerate of cells
Probably when it has the capacity to feel pain, though that doesn’t mean it can’t be aborted after that point.
It's gradual. There's no single point where a human pops into existence.
It is conception
I respectfully disagree. I'd elaborate but I think we've already had this conversation, and I'm not sure if there's much more to add.
When we finish high school and leave behind the bullies.
We declare someone dead when the heart stops beating. By that logic we should declare someone alive when the heart starts beating.
Once the child is able to speak in coherent sentences. Abortion should be legal prior to that point.
When a new cell with a new dna starts to live and whitout external intromissions still live.
At 18, your concider an adult... Free from your parents
When the fetus starts to have consciousness and developed nervous system.