Do you trust the education you got in public school when it came to subjective topics (history, government, social studies, etc)?

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Just to clarify this for the education you received in grade, middle and high school. Not college education.

In general universities are notoriously biased in their education programs (and only getting worse). However college is also an optional education program and most college students are legally adults. Technically they should be able to make your choices whether accept ideologies as valid or not at that point in their life.

Still though I will argue that most 19 year olds are more impressionable than 35 year olds. Most people don’t start college after 30

Anyway I have been doing more research about the ww2 along the societal impact of Capitalism vs. Communism over the last two centuries. I am finding myself getting more and more pissed off at the education I received as a minor. I was never taught about the atrocities of ww2 imperial Japan, the Stalin era Soviet Union, the transatlantic slave trade or even dissenting opinions of how FDRs “new deal” prolonged the Great Depression.

I did (rightfully) learn all about the horrors of Nazi Germany, slavery in the America, the atomic bombings of Nagasaki/Hiroshima. I have no qualms about that historical education But there was so much more to the story that was at best ignorantly left out. However it seems like it was purposely left out to serve an agenda.

For example George Washington himself felt very conflicted about slavery despite it being a common and popular practice at the time. I remember he was immediately introduced as a “slave owner” in a biography my class read about him in the 8th grade. While that is a true fact it was also obvious in retrospect the textbook author was trying to poison the well.

Anyway I’m no spring chicken. But I got to imagine this crap must be even 10x worse nowadays.

ObscuredBeyond · Accepted Answer

I went to Lutheran schools until college. History teaching was modest, but incomplete. The Politically-Incorrect Guides have taught me more valuable history lessons than anything in school; and made it more engaging. It made it a personal investment to want to retain knowledge; whereas school had basic fact-isms that were taught via mindless recitation and regurgitation. Something I have little use for most of the time.

But in tech areas, that's where it was woefully lacking. Having to wait until college before you know how to operate a wide array of different video cameras, before you know what an SLR camera is, before you've ever even touched a Mac let alone a Linux, before you learn typography and iconography, before you've made your first ever font file, before you've ever shot commercial-grade photography, before you've ever earned a budget that would allow you to afford any of those things, before you've ever purchased a meal at Taco Bell by yourself for yourself, before you've animated a single frame, before you've installed custom LED color light strips to anything... is too long.

That's to say nothing of the fact that many wait way too long to learn how to cook, how to fix a toilet, how to fix a flat tire, how to improvise much of anything, how to write literally any code language, etc.

Most schools, public, private, what-have-you, will give you the bare minimum of these skills, if even that. And that's assuming they even use decent textbooks for general education!

The grade / middle school I attended mostly went with Silver Burdett & Ginn. It was terrible. Especially for history. It was proto-woke. Not nearly as bad as the outright Bolshevik BS of modern wokism, but still. A Lutheran school should know better! Yet, that school cared more about maintaining its "accreditation" than about integrity. Even if that meant using "state-approved" garbage that caused the school to undermine itself in practice!

Why? Because while the kids still pretty much acted as much like delinquents as their public counterparts, at least saying they use the same shit material meant that the state would reward them with those ever-so-sweet tax breaks that they couldn't get enough of! Stand on principle, and Michigan will bankrupt you. It was that simple.

For math, they switched from Houghton Mifflin to Saxon when I entered 7th grade. My math scores improved very quickly and drastically. Houghton Mifflin doesn't teach well, and it sucks all the joy out of learning.

For high school, I went to a place that was indie Lutheran at the time, but later went LCMS. At the time, LCMS, for all its pomp and circumstance, was woefully incapable of agreeing on a unified curriculum that was consistent with its church teachings. So they used Bob Jones University materials. Outdated ones at that.

I tried to be a good sport about it, but inside, my thoughts were: "You can't be serious."

By the time I got to college, nothing I was studying for was backed up by anything I learned in high school. So I had to learn everything new on the fly. And with short deadlines. And on budget crunches. During the Granholm years.

Long story short, one of the biggest pluses to Lutheran school education, is that it at least doesn't try to ram the Kama Sutra down your throat in kindergarten, like what happens in a lot of today's public screwls. Because there's no excuse for that.

BCA6010 · Accepted Answer

There weren't really any obvious biases until I was in high school, and even then, they were petty compared to what's basically standard now. In fact, comparing multiple sides of an argument and making arguments for both/several points of view was generally part of the class, particularly in social studies or literature related subjects. While I disliked High School at the time, in hindsight they actually did a lot of things right in this regard, but this was also in an era in which most of the teachers had relevant real world experience in subjects rather than just being career educators. I can pretty much guarantee things have changed in the last 13 years.

College was a different story entirely. I learned more about my geology professor's political views than actual geology in that semester, and with a few exceptions, submitting papers that deviated from a professor's stance on an issue usually resulted in harsher grading criteria. Again though, that experience seems pretty mild compared to what my sister went through about 7 years later, which was just full on politicized history revisionism and forced groupthink (and we did graduate from the same university but had very different majors).

EmyyWolf · Accepted Answer

The education system was put in place by the same FREEMASONS who said that we’re on a lonely ball floating in their magical space.

Nowadays everyone know that all NASA EARTH PHOTOS are fakes. Fake than Your mothers b00bs.

Nowadays everyone know that there are almost 500 years missing from our history. Era of Jesus removed from history, even though our years are about Jesus Christ’s Birth.

The Middle Ages completely removed from history. Some are even finding out how these kingdoms and governments ended up wiping out humanity and resetting it to keep complete control.

Our governments and kingdoms are all liars. They keep secrets that you’d never even imagine. Turns out they usually reset humanity when we end up finding out some of their true colors or the world we actually live on.

That applies to any education taking place in elementary, middle and high school. It’s called indoctrination. You can also call it BRAINWASHING.

All these elite and leaders wear their suits and ties, and lab coats, then they claim something is FACT, when they very well know it isn’t. It takes someone who “QUESTIONS “ to keep away from the spell.

Those enormous cathedrals , mosques 🕌, castles 🏰, and such. WE NOT MADE BY US. They have doors for GIANTS.

The statues and art that Surround these buildings was not made by our “primitive” ancestors who used horse and cart. The Egyptian pyramids was NOT made by no human of regular sizes, NOT by a million humans of regular size. some other gargantuan type of human chopped up those rocks into perfect squares. THe star forts or BASTAIN FORTS of which have perfect geometry. We’re NOT created by us regular people. Go to bitchute. Online. And search up; “LOST HISTORY OF FLAT EARTH. You won’t believe the lost history he talks about.

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/8Ul0e6lw130

SaartjieJane · Accepted Answer

Coming from South Africa I surprisingly learnt a good amount of history in the US and of our own country.
Thing that pissed me off is people downplaying things. Like Nelson Mandela going to prison, he KILLED innocent people, his wife used to kill innocent people, do they teach you that? No. They tell you he was this amazing man, sure he fought for black peoples freedom but he murdered people and his wife had no problem killing black people who WILLINGLY worked for white people. there's a whole ass book about it. there's videos of him singing songs of “kill the boer” (kill the farmer/white) I remember questioning my history teacher about so much stuff she didn’t know what to say and tried to brush my questions off by saying “we don’t have time to answer questions”

Then I moved to New Zealand and the same with history classes, I’d getting taught to praise people who were literally awful! Murderers, rapists, etc. It’s disgusting and when you question teachers how they know what they’re teaching is true, they can’t tell you apart from saying it’s what they’ve been taught and the school is now getting to teach us.

This isn’t even just with history but so many other subjects too. So my education was fine and I’m grateful I even got on but I still do believe a lot of it is lies so

Lexi_87 · Answer

I'm nit from the US so have no person expericance, but from what my American friends have told me. Education is very limited and one sided.

I'm from England and from my expericance the education we were given was very good qnd when it came to political and other social sides of things, the information was always given from both sides and although the teachers obviously would have their own personal opinions they never actually said and respected all opinions (As there is no right or wrong answer when it comes to an opionion).
An example of that was with our R. E (religious edilucation) was Catholic but would teach us about all religions and I remember once we had a discussion about abortion and the class was 50/50 on how they felt about it. The teacher obviously had her own thoughts and feeling about it, but never actually said it and was respectful to everybody's opinion regardless of what is was and didn't agree or disagree with anybody. This is jsut one example, but the majority of my teachers were the same.
Sorry for such a long answer, but hopefully it was helpful

Smoke-n-Growls · Answer

I'm not American, so fortunately this doesn't affect me as much.

I had experience in both a Catholic and public schooo system. I much preferred public, and fortunately we didn't have mandatory church going in elementary like they have in junior and high school Catholic schools where I live.

Catholic school was good, but definitely did not teach the full truth. Especially not about the realities of what the Catholic church did with the help of the Canadian gov't to the First Nations people. We were never taught of the Sixties Scoop and were taken to old residential schools where they taught us very sanitized and pro-religion misinformation on what the church did in those schools.

Public school was much better, but I was lucky to go through the public curriculum before conservative politicians in my province began to radicalize it. They made health classes optional (terrible idea), tried to make a version of the don't say gay bill pass (it was struck down, the public did not permit it), and they've now also gutted core subjects like math.

I personally trust public schools more than Catholic where I live. Non-religious private schools could be a good fit but I don't know much about them other than they're extremely expensive but pay their teachers much better.

In my mind, schooling should be non-religious, non-political. The job of schooling a growing child is not to indoctorinate them, it is to equip them with the skills to think for themselves and make their own decisions while considering their impacts. Then, if the child desires to be indoctorinated into religion at that point, they can choose to do so.

wheresmrcunnunglis · Answer

In elementary school and high school when I attended in New York before I moved. I felt like I definitely got a balanced education in public school when it came to history. As my teachers definitely made sure we knew our roots and the true history of how the US came to be. Even the white history teachers did so. Hell, my white professor in high school was the first one to inform me and my classmates during a lesson that black people were the first people to walk the earth as the oldest bones were discovered in Africa and I found that very empowering at that time. Especially with how our history textbooks had the smallest chapter for black history I ever experienced and all of the classes rioted over it. Probably what pushed our white history teacher to be more unbiased with his lessons.

Hell I learned about the Harlem Renaissance and I had an ex who went to private school and well-known college and they NEVER learned about that subject and its impact on poetry in the 1920s to 1930s which is saying a lot! And I learned about that in public school. So that let me know the water probably not that much better in those damn private schools when it comes to the quality of education. Just prettier scenery and better quality schools to sit in for 8 hours a damn day.

krsterne5280 · Answer

I live in Indonesia, and currently the government here didn't care about education and would rather show off something that doesn't exist.
Many of our history lessons are the same from The 7th to 10th grade, and teachers here rarely teached you anything.
And especially religious education here, I wouldn't trust it at all. Especially Islamic education, since I've seen multiple Islamic teachers openly supports groups like Al Qaeda, Isis, the Taliban, etc.
Not to mentioned that the US treasury has sanctioned 5 Indonesians, and one of the sanctioned Indonesians is an alumni of the University of Indonesia.
I don't trust state schools teaching stuff like history or even religion, and currently the situation in Indonesia is becoming worser with many extremists are openly beating up a university lecturer few months ago.
And I'm very afraid of staying too long in my own country, since I'm an ethnic minority if tried to change something, I would be probably killed first before I could advocate a political suggestion. So yeah, I don't trust state educations these days.

KelleyNice · Answer

Fortunately, I'm home schooled. 100 years ago, 8th grade students were far better educated than public school high school graduates. For example, look at this 8th grade exam from 1895.

Weapon77 · Answer

Mine wasn't biased toward either one un through high school, but it was extremely insufficient. But I was reading encyclopedias since I could read at 5 years old, so I taught myself most of what was left out. But my college education was 100% biased toward liberalism in most classes. Wasn't an issue in my math and chem classes, but in writing, literature, and psychology it sure was. Especially in my Women Authors class, it was very difficult to be a Libertarian 😆 I was one of only 3 guys in there with 15 girls, and there were some heated arguments lol

Now that I'm a college tutor, there is a huge push toward liberalism that I despise given the fact that the truth of most things lies BETWEEN liberalism and conservativism. At least if we'd present all sides that'd be cool but no--only liberalism dominates. What happened to being open-minded?

Amy10223 · Answer

Great question. I believe the history books I was taught from omitted many crucial facts (atrocities) such as the ones you mentioned. Things were very watered down in elementary school and when you got to high school, depending on the teacher you had, events we read about always made us (America) always look like the “good guys”. You would never hear of the Japanese being taken off to camps while living here. Never about the mistreatment of slaves or riots that happened against blacks in states, particularly one state in which there was a town where black businesses grew and flourished, and was later destroyed in raids ( I forget exactly where) by whites.
Yes, the history here has a selective memory, and I’m sure many would deny these things actually happened.

letuswaltzforthedead · Answer

Not at all, even the books were obviously biased. Not to mention that we have to do a "mental health" mini course during English class with men in drag telling teens to be "anti-racist" and an "ally". My books in history class, albeit still trying to be in favor of the us government, was biased against free market capitalism and so was my Civics teacher (I know all teachers aren't the same so that's more subjective).

ChrisMaster69 · Answer

From England and it’s been fairly balanced.

The problem is being from England some subject such as History are just so vast.

There are so many critical points in history to cover.

A lot is down to what the syllabus that has been agreed for the exams in 2-3 years time.

Also here Public means something different entirely.

one of the potential scary things with the US is the sharp rise in home schooling.

If it’s the actual syllabus and educational standards, then that needs fixed and not just teach kids by untrained individuals.

Also, if the parents are religious or racist etc, they will be very much biasing the syllabus to their own beliefs.

normalice · Answer

Um, history, government, and social studies are not subjective topics. Right wingers treat them like they are, because they know no one will ever vote republican based on facts or merit, but there is a sequence of events that objectively occured and most teachers try to teach that, as otherwise they are storytellers which is a whole other profession. You could argue that history was recorded subjectively but there is a whole universe between trying to collect an accurate accounting of the facts and using the excuse that it's not possible to do it perfectly as an excuse to be biased on purpose. I've only ever heard of right wingers doing the latter. And I've never heard of a right winger who does anything but the latter.

lightbulb27 · Answer

my education was lame... memorization of events, I was not a good student. As well, it didn't give much from the "losing side"... American Indians, slaves, WWII Germans... why all this happened. It was biased and did not make sense... I'd say biased "right". I had to learn on my own to see the other view. I learned from movies, and books I read and magazines and talking to people. Getting a full view of a conflict along with a decent world view of humanity helps to put order around these things.

I suspect it is worse today because the mentality shifted of those in control of education, some of the books they read are crap to me, my teacher wife tries to guide the kids around the crap books they feed them. My step kids seem to be learning some decent topics in class... at a basic level. However... it's basic, there is little depth to what they learn, why, how... To learn they have to read outside of what is taught.

D_Bone_Steak · Answer

Bias towards liberalism... I'm 40 years old so my school was a long time ago. But I remember how much they pushed "white people bad, they enslaved the blacks" Yeah, the south that was French, and not my problem. I didn't do shit to anyone and I just happen to be white. And as long as 13% of the population commits more than 50% of the violent crimes... should I care? Fuck em. Liberals were the KKK and seem to be still... but they're masterminds of media. They hate gun rights because of their racist beliefs.. but everyone else is racist in their heads. I have just lived through this world and it's sick. Hope you fuckers figure it out becaus I'm on my way out.

Moose304 · Answer

Yes, I do. Even though I took a 4-year break after joining the Air Force, I knew I wanted to be an engineer. I got all the requirements for things like history and Civics done before my senior year. In my last two years, I was taking Calculus and US Government. I also had to get a unit of English in both my Junior and Senior year. As to the actual question. I understand Federalism. I know the three branches of the US government and understand checks and balances. I can find Uzbekistan on the globe. I understand the flash points that started WW1. I understand when the Greek language started being spoken in the Roman Empire and who brought it in. My HS class was one of the last to be subject to an exit exam. This exam was 200 questions that covered a lot of material. Passing this exam was a requirement if you wanted a diploma. I often wonder if today's seniors could pass that exit exam.

TDDMS · Answer

My overall public education was horrible and this is coming from someone who had a 3.52 GPA, awarded small and large scholarships, recognized for academic achievements both on the local and federal level, and a member of the NHS.

And yes our history courses were bias - bias towards the federal government and prejudice against state and local governments. The narrative presented in America History and its offshoots was presented as the federal government rescuing the little person and saving the day. The reality is that the American federal government has, for the most part, been the biggest purveyor of violence and distrust against the citizens than all 50 states put together.

UdosUNDERDEVELOPMENT · Answer

The whole planet is flawed , unless and until we establish universesal departments that can calculate and guide all beings and all things in all of the universes and all of the existences , throughout everyones and everythings endless experiences goodly without any forms of abuses and evils , then there will always be some form of abuses , discomforts , unpleasantnessess , and sufferings. We can't just support one network and have the others suffer , they will eventually bring us all towards chaos , because we all depend on each other in one way or another.

Oigit · Answer

I don't trust it. Simply because the education system is far too political and has been for many generations. It has also become progressively more political for generations as well. It's long past time for the education system to be stripped of all politics. Be it the politics of the left or right.

ODC2112 · Answer

I am not from the USA. Most of the Americans I met had at least a college degree, some a lot of college degrees. The average cultural level of the Americans I met was low, whether they went to public or private schools. Most of them had very little historical knowledge outside of the very short history of the USA. He had little geographical and economic knowledge. I'm talking about educated people. So I expect lower educated people to be ignorant. Since most people with this education have gone to public school, I expect American public school to be poor.

Sixgunsound · Answer

The crap that is spewing out of the sewer pipe of modern public education would make most people very angry. Warren more parents who still have kids in school and got clued in about the sewage being forced upon them in the schools have started to go to board meetings around and change, and governments have responded variously by kicking them out or having armed thugs assault them for daring to question the lies their children are being indoctrinated into believing.

cth96190 · Answer

Beginning in the 1960s, government schools and government curricula throughout the West have morphed into Communist indoctrination, sexual perversion and paedophile grooming.
I have a degree in secondary education, teaching areas English and history.

Creampiekarl420 · Answer

My teacher tried to kidnap me and molested me when no one was around my 5 th grade teacher taught me how to eat pussy I don't know why people assume men are rapist and perverts when many women have raped and molested me I grew up terrified of women because they abused me I didn’t lose my virginity till I turned 22 (by that I mean consenual sex with a woman and even she was a prostitute) and my depression really sunk in now I only see people as sexual objects because of what those women did to me people are quick to defend their daughters but no one cares about their sons yet complain that men are trash

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