It's absolutely true.
It's YOUR job to bring enough value to the world that you can earn the money you want to earn. It's not the job of other people to subsidize you. If you only provide enough value to bag fries at McDonalds or be a greeter at WalMart, then don't complain about the wages. Educate yourself - you have all the world's knowledge in your pocket 24/7, so LEARN A SKILL of some kind and improve your value! You do NOT need to go to college to learn - there's thousands of skills you can learn just from free YouTube videos that could double your earnings over a minimum wage job easily, and others that will do much better than that.
Your value to the world is largely indicated by your results (yes, exceptions exist), so if your results are not good, it's YOUR job to increase your value in some way. And when you increase your value to the world - either via your own business, or by bringing in more earnings (or savings) to the company you work for - then you will be able to make more money.
The world doesn't owe you anything beyond what you EARN. If you want more, be worth more. Or don't. That's your choice, but you shouldn't expect your outcome to be any better than your value (though you have a LOT of control over your value).
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If you want to earn a good salary, learn how to do something that is in demand and that any idiot can't be trained to do in five minutes. Entry level jobs are not meant to make you self-supporting.
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if we agree that people who work full time should not be expected to earn a living wage then we can't fault people for seeking financial assistance from the government. we can't have it both ways.
I believe if you work full time as an employee in a legit business, you should have a livable wage.
Wages are determined by competition. Supply and demand.
Economics cannot be escaped. As much as people want to share all the wealth, to do so is IMPOSSIBLE.
We look around and we see the mega rich and we see people starving and wonder why can't we just redistribute the money? Why can some people be rich and some starve to death? Isn't that WRONG?
Well if we were to socialize everything across the planet, the number of people who would starve to death would SKYROCKET.
There really is only one choice. Liberalism, capitalism, free markets.
The ONLY way to bring wealth and prosperity to the most amount of people in the world, the ONLY way to bring the world's impoverished out of poverty, the ONLY way to bring about the best possible life for people on this planet is through capitalism.
Socialism does not work. Communism does not work. Government intervention in the economy in order to satisfy people's desire for morality actually has the opposite effect.
Even in a mixed economy such as the USA where we have free markets, but also we have government interventions in order to "fix the problems" of the market.
But in reality we have not fixed any problems. Poverty still runs rampant in the USA. poverty still runs rampant in every country.
If it was easily fixed it would have been decades ago. The reality is that we need the markets to be as free as possible. For people to get as rich as possible. For poor nations to engage in free trade, to open up their economies.
How can we save poor African countries? How can we save poor Asian countries? How can we save the poor in India?
It's very simple. Those countries need to open up their economies. Free trade is everything. Free trade beings prosperity and food and raises the majority into the middle class.
The socialist and communists are fighting a battle they had better lose or we will starve when they win.
And they are winning.Agree
In today's day & age anyone can get a decent education and earn a decent wage. Yes you may have student loans to pay for afterwards, but if you're making 100+k/year and not overspending your salary like a moron it won't take long to repay those loans.
Hell even someone failed high school if they put in enough effort to a physical store or an online business like an online store or blog they can make a good income. Some online stores make 6 figures on a yearly & all they have to do is make sure orders go.
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The problem with today's society is too many people have their hands out like beggers expecting things to be handed to them rather than work for what they actually deserve.
The only thing, after all, keeping someone from succeeding in life is themselves.
Such people are lazy, ignorant, uneducated, unmotivated, undisciplined, etc. None of this has anything to do with others (or society) but such people are far more adept at blaming everyone and everything else for their failures instead of looking in the mirror.
It's a yes and no, honestly. As truthfully it should be, everyone has a liveable wage regardless of job worked. How to make it happen? Jail the clowns that decide what minimum wage is. Sitting in one of their many houses and driving multiple vehicles, while guaranteed insurance... while also taking special interests "donations" to help shape those hard to decide things they must keep the government running...
Put them on minimum wage and see how quickly things change. Or we do jail em all, or perhaps bring the Guillotine back? Or because this one might be too spicy. The population wake the fuck up and quit re electing those that stop representing the people out. Doesn't matter Rep, Dem, Right Left. All the same body those limbs are attached to.
As it's, everyone's right to live, granted something's must be provided from the self. However, we are also advances enough as a race to know the fuck better than what we are currently doing to one another. If we eliminated the paper banknotes that so much value in, when truly it's made up regardless. Go back to barter, I trade you this thing I can do for something you provide.
But, hey ya guys want to stay in the stagnation the human race is cespooled into, that's your choice. The sooner we decided to hold accountable those responsible, in addition to people checking themselves as well. Especially all the Keyboard warriors that are edgy because they hide behind a screen. 1000% they are likely they weren't born a few decades ago during the Fuck Around And Find Out age.The nature of the work is what should decide if this is true or not. Not every job is going to pay enough I live on, nor should it. I don’t think a part time barista should expect to live of that income. It’s essentially unskilled labor and rates an unskilled labor rate. You get paid for your time and little else.
Now, a career, which requires a specific certification & specialized training should pay more and certainly enough to live on. Paramedics, pilots, firefighters, linemen, police officers, EMTs, train engineers, aircraft mechanics, truck drivers, highway workers, and so on. Society depends on these types of men & women to keep things moving along. You get paid for what you do as well as what you are expected to do in poor weather, on holiday, nights, weekends, and such.
A college diploma based career where a degree is required to even enter the field, doctors, lawyer, dentist, teachers, and so on, absolutely should be able to expect a living wage for their investment. You get paid for what people are willing to pay for as your services dictate. You essentially get to set your own rate.
The only employer who habitually underpays it’s people to a disgusting level is the US military which demands so much of its people yet pays them a menial rate. They absolutely need better pay and tax exempt status.I strongly agree. Just because someone is working doesn't mean they are doing anything useful. Being "owed" a living wage doesn't mean people can do anything they want and expect to make a lot of money.
Plus, this statement is usually used by people who want a wage much higher than they deserve or need. "Living wage" is practically a euphemism for wanting a lot of money without really earning it. People have VERY unrealistic ideas about how much money is needed to live. They want middle class, not a bare minimum like "living wage" implies.
I virtually never hear this term used to truly mean a living wage. It's ALWAYS used by people who want something for nothing. It has nothing to do with an actual living wage.
All jobs are not created equal. If people want living wages, then they should pick jobs that pay living wages. If they can't be bothered to to the work those jobs entail, then they are not entitled to the wages those jobs pay. People will decide on their own what hardships they want in life, they aren't entitled to anything other than what they work to have. That includes higher wages vs lower.
If everyone were gauranteed a living wage, why would anyone go to college? why would anyone work hard to achieve anything? you will just raise generations of idiots.
if you tell someone that they can live a perfectly good life doing the absolute bare minimum, they will have no motivation to achieve anything in life.
This is what happened in the communism.
I worked my ass off trying to get out of poverty. Dont tell me that you're gonna hand out free money just because the lazy people threw a tantrum and demanded free money.
This whole “living wage” thing is so crazy. First, it’s completely subjective. No one can even define what is a ‘Living wage’. Second, do teenagers who live at home with their parents and have all of their needs met also qualify for this “living wage”? If so, why? For people who are not teenagers and have worked for 4+ years…. why are you still at the lowest rung? Are you lazy? Stupid?
If someone is working a full time job it absolutely must cover the basics; food, housing, transportation and medical.
if people can't make it we end up with homelessness, starvation, and reliance on social safety nets. Which just shifts the burden on those who are doing well.
And for many years in the US minimum wage did. But three things happened about simultaneously. 1 easy access to credit 2 the standardization of a two income household, and 3 the breaking of the power of labor unions.
I disagree with this statement. Nobody will perform well at a job if that job takes up their time and STILL fails to provide enough to take care of needs.
However, there is a difference between a living wage and making enough to live in luxury. A "living wage" is a wage that is enough to afford cheap food, utilities and rent in maybe the not so nice neighborhoods. Literally just basic shelter and food. If someone works full-time, they should be able to not worry about basic shelter.
Now, if you want cable, internet, nice phones, furniture, the ability to eat out, travel or anything beyond the basics, then YOU need to put the effort into getting the jobs with that level of pay.
Yes, EVERY job should pay a wage enough for the basics, but beyond that it is on the individual.
Yeah even though you produce all the labour the prick at the top should keep all the money and you should be grateful we even deigned to reward you for your time and effort. Honestly your grandparents got a living wage, your parents had better wages than you. People just ignore the effects of inflation upon wage stagnation. If everything costs more and you have the same amount of money then that's less money. If someone works hard I don't fucking care about their status they deserve enough to sustain their lives without going into debt or skipping meals.
That's BS! Congress get's great money for basically doing jack shit. They are off on recess more than they spend working. Hard working Americans don't make enough to even keep up with inflation, and some don't even get benefits anymore. Yet illegal immigrants come into this country and get treated like royalty, compared to the poor, homeless, and our own veterans who are homeless. They get a 5-star hotel to live in, get fed, free medical, and in some states they even get $1,000 a month for expenses, all from us taxpayers. There ought to be a law!!
No one owes you anything. If you don't like the pay offered, then don't take the job. It's pretty trucking simple. If no one will do the job for the price they are offering, then a company will raise the offer while able to be profitable until someone will do the job for the offered wage and they will raise their prices based on what the market will bear. If a compromise never happens between the business, the worker, and the market then the business will not exist and the investor will try something else that might works. If there are no jobs out there with a "living wage" in your opinion, then it's time you create your own job and produce something the market demands. Every time the government sticks their nose in a business to demand more pay or benefits, people get fired because the market is unwilling to pay the difference. Then you get no pay and have no products or services available.
It is technically true, unless your a slave you choose to work a job for a wage. If you choose a job and wage which you can't survive on you will have to find anther. Before people stop giving you the extra money you require. You are NOT entitled to such aid.
A "living" wage is indeed a very small wage as forign national both in this country and abroad demonstrate.Of course what politicians are selling as a "living" wage is really living in a relatively nice area in an relatively uncrowded home, eating relatively good food.
Obviously forign nationals both abroad and in this country prove none of that is necessary to live and work theses jobs.
They are ok packing 5 people to a room and eating ramen noodles to let them live working below minimum legal wage jobs and still have money to send home. Thus that there in the areas in which they do it is an example of a real living wage.If people can't live then they can't work. No one goes to work just to make their boss rich, they have to be able to support themselves and have something left over to make the effort worthwhile. Without that, they just say fuck it and everyone loses.
Anything less than a living wage is effectively slavery.Everyone should make a liveable wage if they work full time regardless of where it is. That however doesn’t mean that it has to include everything else. Enough for the cheapest home/apartment in the area, food, clothes, and gas/electric. It is doable on minimum wage but it’s hard. Might not be able to afford internet, any luxuries, even furniture to furnish your whole hobbit hole, etc. Just have to make it work and then find something better. There are enough resources out there that it is possible
If you go to work , and you work full time , and the business is actually a business , you need and deserve a living wage , you can't get to work without enough money , it needs to be realistic , avoid companies that exploit others , thats not cool.
The minimum wage needs to be a living wage , its not like you are rich or the like.
If someone's working full time and are doing a good job, they are owed a living wage. Does mean our fast food will be expensive and Walmart costs will go up. But NOT paying living wages is criminal. Then we have to expect to support a welfare state, which, I would guess is far more expensive.
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