Is it true that illegal immigrants can now lawfully carry guns in the United States?

[Daniela1982]

I heard this on Twitter, and the Supreme Court is said to have ruled that making it illegal for them to possess a gun is illegal, according to the 2nd Amendment. If that is true, then they are just allowing gang members to legally possess firearms. Wouldn't that be wonderful for our police? I thought the 2nd Amendment only applied to legal citizens. The illegal immigrants are not legal anything, much less being a legal citizen. What do you think? Is this shit going too far? Are we helping arm an army that can rise up to cause havoc? This will also apply to all the single Chinese men and Venezuela men coming in. I'm sure a lot of their weapons will be automatic assault guns. They know they can do just about anything and just get deported if they are caught.

[MrOracle]

Many states have Constitutional Carry - meaning no permit is necessary to carry a gun. BUYING a gun is another matter.

But this is just one of a thousand threads that all lead to huge problems by allowing illegal immigration, especially huge volumes of completely unvetted people, many of whom are known criminals and/or gang members. There's no end of chaos they can cause, including murder. And you can see exactly how concerned Biden was about a girl who was murdered by an illegal HE let into the country - he couldn't remember her name and his biggest concern was himself saying "illegal" instead of "undocumented." He didn't care even a tiny bit about the murder victim.

This is why people need to vote Biden out. He doesn't care a single bit about all the chaos he's causing that the rest of us pay for. The wars, the loss of jobs, the illegals, rampant crime, and the terrible economy - he doesn't care about any of that, but rather only retaining his own power and that of the Democrat party, at ANY COST. Soon, it will be YOUR job, or YOUR kid being sent to a war, or YOUR wife or daughter who is killed by an illegal. You aren't immune. If you vote for this man and his party, you are voting for all of this.

[Daniela1982]

True dat! But a lot of people here on G@G still back Biden, no matter what he does, because they hate Trump more. That hate is only going to hurt them in the end.

[monorprise]

The 1st 10 amendments really should be called a bill of restrictions, not "rights" because while they exist to help protect many of our natural rights they really are just a bill restrictions on the Federal Government.

The Federal politicians in black robes have turned many of them on their head in applying them to our states as well including the 2nd, as well as invented new "rights" in-violation of the 9th and 10th.

Nonetheless all rights are gifts of our creator not goverment and as such we start with them and goverment can only take them.

That said While States should and historically did have the right to our law particular groups owning weapons and generally disregarding any of the rights declared in those amendment.
If they are an illegal alien they would not necessarily follow any such law regardless.

If we could disarm gangs theses organization would not exist among the most restrictive local gun laws in the country. Individuals can violate said laws easy, criminal organizations have even less trouble.

[SnackTime]

Normally, I would call bullshit on this. But Tyson foods is fixing to hire 50,000 illegals to work in their factories. "Oh, but that's not legal. They can't do that."

Yeah, under Joey, yes they can. Companies are now hiring illegals to replace American workers. Democrats used to have a spine. Those days are gone. "Orange Man Bad."

"Oh, but you can't hire illegals." That is very true. Companies can only hire "asylum seekers". Who are asylum seekers? I don't know, but under Joey the clown, there are 8 million of them. Cross the river illegally, and now you're an asylum seeker.

[Anonymous]

Didn't twitter die a couple years ago. I doubt any info from "that site formally known as twitter" has any factual or accurate grounds whatsoever.

[Lliam]

"DOJ argued illegal immigrants fall outside “the people” and aren’t protected by the Second Amendment. Judge Coleman rejected that argument, as have other courts."

"Kostas Moros, another gun-rights litigator who often represents the California Rifle and Pistol Association, chimed in to agree that people in the country illegally are outside “the people” referred to in the text of the Second Amendment."

https://thereload.com/gun-ban-for-non-violent-illegal-immigrant-found-unconstitutional/

I argue that "illegal aliens" are not protected under the same rights as U. S. citizens. They have not become citizens and sworn an oath of loyalty to this country and they broke our laws by entering illegally. So fuck them.

[Daniela1982]

Since when does Biden uphold the Constitution when he knowingly breaks immigration laws.

[handsomelad70]

Sure. What's a few hundred thousand more weapons when the U. S. already has about four hundred million?

[lightbulb27]

haven't checked my local laws, but I'd see nothing to stop them for anyone cold get a gun.

I don't think people understand the mentality. There is no "USA"... there is "the people of the world". USA is everyone, the only question is if they are documented.

So the question is can someone "not documented" carry gun (posess or carry) and under constituion, it says there is right to bare arms. It's subjective in how one interprets.

I suspect they can, legally who knows... but they aren't following laws anyway. Not here legally, not following rules like buying insurance, etc.. Besides, they are often better with knives.

Either way, most women should learn how to handle themselves around an aggressive immigrant. Cost a few their lives already and we know whom their targets are. At least right now... wait until they figure out they can invade homes.

Welcome to DSA!

[Juxtapose]

If anything the democrats want criminal aliens to have special privileges the rest of us don't have. They will kick veterans out to make them homeless and put criminal aliens in, they will give criminal aliens your money, they will give criminal aliens your job, etc.

[OtterMan68]

so the 2nd Amendment only applies to citizens? What is the NRA arguing?

[Juxtapose]

@OtterMan68 I will post a comment by another user and credit them as I think their explanation is right on.

"DOJ argued illegal immigrants fall outside “the people” and aren’t protected by the Second Amendment. Judge Coleman rejected that argument, as have other courts."

"Kostas Moros, another gun-rights litigator who often represents the California Rifle and Pistol Association, chimed in to agree that people in the country illegally are outside “the people” referred to in the text of the Second Amendment."

thereload.com/.../

I argue that "illegal aliens" are not protected under the same rights as U. S. citizens. They have not become citizens and sworn an oath of loyalty to this country and they broke our laws by entering illegally. So fuck them."

@Lliam credit to you.

[OtterMan68]

so they don't have right to due process or protections from cruel and unusual punishment or freedom of religion?

[Daniela1982]

@Juxtapose Now you know why we need Trump. Biden is selling the country out to illegal immigrants, the Chinese, and to Socialism and full Government control. They started that when they hired 87,000 armed IRS agents to make sure you pay your money so we can send it to Ukraine and to any illegal Alien that crosses our border.

[Twalli]

@OtterMan68 According to those that dislike illegals here, yes. However, you are subject to the laws of any nation that you are in. So since every person (regardless of legal residency) is subject to our laws, they should have the right given in The Constitution.

[OtterMan68]

@Twalli exactly

[Juxtapose]

@OtterMan68 I am saying how about we don't give criminal aliens who commit felonies guns? We don't even let our own citizens who commit felonies have guns a lot of the times.

[Juxtapose]

Literally as soon as you cross the border illegally you are committing a felony and are ineligible to own firearms.

And yeah, a lot of rights of the Constitution do not apply to invading foreigners. The only thing they deserve when they come into the country is a quick lock up and deportation.

[Juxtapose]

Frankly invading foreigners should be treated like prisoners of war.

[Juxtapose]

And you know what? A lot of countries will just straight up execute you if you go into their country illegally. And it's fully within their rights to do so : )

[OtterMan68]

that's not a felony

[OtterMan68]

do rights come from God or governments?

[Juxtapose]

@OtterMan68 yeah it is a felony, depending on the discretion of law enforcement.

Rights come from our imagination and you have to enforce those rights with violence. There is no supernatural deities that have ever been proven to exist, it's hogwash.

[Juxtapose]

I could tell you I have a right to breathe but if I do not have violence to enforce that then all it takes is 10 dudes who decide they don't like me anymore.

That's why I'm happy to have law enforcement around. Anarchy would lead to death and chaos.

[OtterMan68]

so law enforcement is there to protect our rights.

[Juxtapose]

@OtterMan68 they are there to enforce the law. It is up to legislators to make sure that laws actually reflect the Constitution and then it is up to the people to hold those Representatives accountable when they inevitably become corrupt.

[Juxtapose]

[OtterMan68]

do rights come from our creator or our government?

[Juxtapose]

@OtterMan68 I literally already told you dude, they come from our imaginations. They're not real, they are subjective concepts that you have to actively work to have society backup via violence.

[Juxtapose]

https://youtu.be/DOhdVJWPkik?si=gmZ7gDzBYc7aDQwa

[Juxtapose]

George Carlin on rights.

[OtterMan68]

so according to you, our rights are not inalienable. They are just whatever we want to makeup and enforced.

[Juxtapose]

@OtterMan68 "The adjective inalienable means something that “can't be transferred to someone else, taken away, or denied.”

Your "rights" are denied and taken away all the time. The Patriot Act, Civil Asset Forfeiture, indefinite detention without a trial, etc.

[Juxtapose]

The Bill of Rights is essentially a bill of temporary privileges and citizens have to renew those privileges by killing corrupt public officials. People don't like to acknowledge this but that's just the truth.

[OtterMan68]

so our rights are what the gov decides for us. If the gov decides we don't have a right to keep or bear arms, the police enforce it, and we lose it, and that's just the way it it. same with right to free speech, religion, press...

[Juxtapose]

@OtterMan68 did you miss the part where I said we are supposed to hold public officials accountable and even our founding fathers told us we have to work hard to keep our republic? Are you even listening?

[Juxtapose]

The people & the government engage in a sort of tug of war. The people eventually act out and the government gets scared and give some of what they want. Then eventually the government pulls the rope too far to the side of corruption and dominating the public and the public will revolt unless they end up in a North Korean type of situation where they are just frankly fucked.

[Juxtapose]

If you don't hold the government accountable, you eventually end up with North Korea. There is no mystical skydaddy protecting your "rights." YOU have to be the one to protect your rights along with your community when the government steps out of line.

[Daniela1982]

@Twalli You know that is baloney. If you are in the country illegally you have no rights except fast passage to where you came from. If you want to give them the same rights as US citizens, then the citizens should have the same rights as them - free room and board, free medical, free cell phone, free transportation to anywhere in the US you want to fly to, the ability to take your job, and a $10,000 debit card for your booze and drugs. The door should swing both ways, and not just to the benefit of intruders and moochers.

[Daniela1982]

@OtterMan68 Seriously? Who has freedom of religion anymore? My freedom of expressing my religious beliefs do not trump the rights of gays expressing their beliefs. 🙄

[OtterMan68]

when were you arrested for exercising your religion?

[genericname85]

well it makes perfect sense right? isn't the weapon lobbies argument always "the more weapons the more safe people are". like an illegal immigrant could save your life in a burglary in theory right? they should have guns.

that's not actually my opinion. i find this entire gun ownership think complete bs. like realisticly the majority of gun related injuries aren't even crimes. they are idiots shooting themselfes or their friends. weapons should be way more strictly regulated and people who violate these regulations should not continue to have access to guns.

[JayBones]

Yes. The constitution has never had citizenship as a requirement. Every right outlined in the document are every humans God given rights. The Constitution protects all people from the Government. Now we can classify this invasion as such and fight them back with our firearms.

[SolitarySolace]

Wouldn't surprise me. The democrats are giving them everything

[OtterMan68]

So there can and should be restrictions on the 2nd amendment?

[Daniela1982]

@OtterMan68 For non-citizens? Yes! Or do you want Mexican gangs, drug dealers, and all other riff raff from outside the US to be armed? Are you nuts? We have enough gun violence in the US without perpetuating it by letting every illegal alien in the US to have guns that they can bear against us. 🙄

[OtterMan68]

Besides the 2nd Amendment, what other Constitutional rights do illegal immigrants not have on US soil

[Daniela1982]

@OtterMan68 Well they seem to have more rights than homeless and the poor in this country.

[OtterMan68]

do our rights come from God or the government?

[Daniela1982]

@OtterMan68 Depends if you believe there is a God. Do you?

[OtterMan68]

yes i do

[Daniela1982]

@OtterMan68 Then you also know that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were drafted by church going Christians. It was based on God and Christian values. God has been kicked out of schools and Christmas. Christmas colors have been replaced by the rainbows of LGBT. The country is going down the drain. I see no reason to hasten its demise by allowing an armed army to rise against us from within. What good are all out aircraft carriers and nukes then?

[OtterMan68]

God was kicked out of Christmas? I can't have a manger scene in my house or yard?

[Daniela1982]

@OtterMan68 You can, but public buildings cannot display a manger scene in most instances without the atheists demanding equal time or suing to have them removed.

[bolverk]

Yes unfortunately it True!

https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-have-right-own-guns-judge-rules-1880806

[Massageman]

Well, THAT certainly seems "Inside Out" to me. Along with calling illegal alien immigrants "migrants" (not true) and a host of other inconsistencies.

[Twalli]

I never knew that all gang members in the U. S. are illegal immigrants. Clearly everything I though about the mafia is incorrect. I did not know that it is entirely made up of Hispanics who crossed over illegally.


P. S. In case you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic

[NaultD]

The constitution is very consistent of the rights of "people" and rights of "citizens."

The second amendment is written for the people so it's free for all kind of deal.

[NaultD]

Like the president needs to be a natural born citizen of the United state of America. Per the constitution But some random person you are personally afraid of will alway be able to get a gun. Per the constitution as well

[Surely]

When you purchase a gun. The federal form asks if you are a legal citizen or have renounced your citizenship. But now I assume that the question would be illegal.

[WindAtMyBack]

If you can't lawfully be in the United States, carrying a gun doesn't suddenly make it legal.

[strateguy632]

just propaganda. but they get driver license without birth certificate. that sucks.

[exitseven]

I heard that Biden is handing out free Glocks along with the free iPhones he is giving them,

[Daniela1982]

😯🤔🤣😂😅

[Likes2drive]

You have to be a citizen to legally own a gun, they can’t allow that or we are in big trouble

[Daniela1982]

They are still getting them. Felons are not allowed to possess firearms either, but they get caught with them all the time. The charges always get plea bargained down though so the laws mean nothing these days.

[OtterMan68]

where in the Constitution does it say only citizens can own guns?

[Daniela1982]

@OtterMan68 What country can you go to that allows you to have guns within its borders when you are not a citizen? Hell, they don't even allow their own citizens to have them in some. And on top of that our government wants to take OUR guns, yet give possible terrorists the right to have them?

[Anonymous]

The entire Constitution applies to anyone on U. S. soil. That's why we have to be careful who we let onto U. S. soil. No one seems to get that.

[Wiredone]

How are they able to carry so fast. It takes a long time to go through the application process. That is so not right

[jimmy2]

They will be terrorist and riots we can't feed millions

[normalice]

Unlikely if you heard it on twitter.

[Anonymous]

I would say if you are in a country illegally, how can you do anything legally?