What would you say to this question. Is life really worth it if women and society only need men for utilitarian purposes?

[coachTanthony]

[Rosexøxø]

Everyone needs everyone. There’s nothing wrong with Utilitarianism.

There is no single individual on planet earth that doesn’t depend on something and someone else for their wellbeing. Not even the wealthiest not even the richest. Even the most off grid green thumb individual needs farm animals and resources. Food chain. Ecosystem. Pack. Society.

As much as people may HATE oh so bad to dwell and coexist with others or need others. It is just a matter of fact and reality of our finite existence and need for resources. Before the common problem for man was predators. That was the main focus. Maybe for some, the need to hunt prey more efficiently- to survive, was another. But mostly avoidance of predators. Now as we have evolved we have our attentions on more complex issues. World catastrophe. Illnesses. Etc. etc.

But as for purpose goes. Every man woman and individual will need to ask themselves! Not look at what anyone else is doing. And answer whether they think the value and amount of their own life is worth living for such a purpose. OR if they should live for another purpose.

A whole life doesn't have to be dedicated to one purpose. There can be many. And for the most part while not completely forsaking duty to country and family etc. one can enjoy their life. There doesn’t have to be some driving force that makes it this incredulous story or motive. People can simply just enjoy and partake of the benefits of being real and being here is and has to offer. Making use of the five senses and partaking of fellowship with human kind and nature.

My question to you and the rest you pose it to. Is that all men want to use their time for? Cause there’s a handful with sexual addictions or who glamorize things that don’t benefit and bring the opposite- destructive qualities or harm, and I don’t see how THAT could be a life worth living.

Accomplishments and achievements for theirselves and what is contributed to society could be argued to be more ‘purposeful.’ It’s not strictly necessary. But it does SERVE a typically good purpose. Longevity of humanity as a whole. And everyone who has to ask themselves this question is a part of that… humanity. We can’t deny that’s what we are. But if people want to choose to only identify themselves as a man or woman. Like that is their own species instead of human. Then that’s fine for them. They will just have to accept being the outliers. And acknowledge the truth that they will always need others anyways. Even to the very point of old age. If they don’t have kids or family to care for them. Then they ideally will have nursing home care workers for that. And ideally those workers will also have a selfless and utilitarian attitude/ response/ component of thinking towards life itself and those they coexist with.

So I don’t know? Do guys just want to be needed for sex and tools? And not relationships with others? Men shouldn’t be like some alien or robot. They should be a part of their species group. Have voice. Have thoughts. Have feelings. Not just all work and no play. But contribution by everyone is what keeps societies going. Countries going. It rests upon the working classes. Meanwhile the upper classes seems to make the shots. Determine the rules. And the poorer classes wish for a dime and can’t begin to grasp what’s going on beyond their own pain or addictions and basic needs for life. That’s what society has become. If people don’t like it, it should be changed.

The rich people. The poor people. And the working people. All need other people. To be trusted to do what’s right when needed. That’s for certain.

[PeachyPie93]

Well both genders don't really need the other unless they want to breed. Other than that we can pay for each others services, sex or otherwise.. So yeah life is fine even if we all became completely transactional because we don't get along anyways..

[hahahmm]

You (speaking generally) can either get fake respect from a woman or real respect. Real respect takes a lot of time and work to earn, in my opinion. women today are more honest about when they don't actually feel impressed and dudes tend to put less work in today. Just as women also put less work in.

I think a lot of guys confuse the chicken and the egg (which comes first). It's way easier to get respect if you build your life up, not worrying about women than if you focus on making women the center of everything. I don't think our ancestors who built civilizations had any problem at all getting respect. Now there's dudes who can barely assemble flat pack furniture thinking women should bow down to them.

I'm not giving women a pass -- cause I think women in general have gone downhill compared to say 60+ years ago. And even compared to 30 yeaes ago. Based on what I have heard and seen. Just saying... if men built civilizations then we cannot complain that civilization is falling apart. That would be like a fireman whining about his fire station being on fire instead of doing something about it.

I would have to think deeper on all of this to say anything more.

[OlderAndWiser]

Is life really worth it if men and society only need women for child bearing and child raising purposes?

[Rosexøxø]

Agreed. We all come from very simple beginnings. If we want to start contemplating life or breaking it down into what it is- that’s what it has been.

We work the soil. Hunters gatherers. Village raise their young. Life marches on.

What did we expect? Candy shaped boxes?

Now is it that we should have the chance to enjoy the fruit of our labor and do things that stimulate us overall. Not just work with soil and seeds or arrows. If life were just that it would be boring. That’s why we evolved- hello.

😂

[Rosexøxø]

But instead of making this question what it is. “What’s the purpose of our life.”

It was worded in “do we owe those women anything? Cause I’m unhappy and I don’t want to be around women or do stuff for women and maybe I’ll feel better about my life or it will take half the problems off the table for me.”

While avoiding the real problems anyways. The problems men and women face- being finite and having finite resources, and making do with that.

This question just proposes a certain way of thinking and perspective that would sow seeds of hostility in a climate where social media has already done a crazy job of that. Putting certain dividers up between people. I just don’t see how this question gets people to think proactively or to cope in a healthy way. To come to realize what they want for their life. But anyways this is all you’ll see me say on this post. I did what I had to do. Now let people consider which sides they shall choose and let’s pray to god they get the therapy they need to live happy healthy lives lol

(I genuinely mean that, but I just don’t see how they’ll get that here).

Instead of the idea healing and progress, people here will choose a battle to fight from a place of scars and wounds (already/past tense) and with a face/demeanor of hostility. They’ll defend whichever they think they should, after coming here (this site), and finding people make questions and answers about certain fights and ‘purposes.’ Certain agendas or what they think is right. And not everything or everyone is right.

[Dargil]

Short answer, yes with the right one.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Dargil Absolutely!

[Dargil]

1. What else would society need us for? We invented and fix almost everything. We also are best by far for inventing new children. We invented the best economic/political system and we invented I-phones and Tampons. Men are useful.

[OneViewpoint]

LOL, who cares what "society" and women want. I'm alive and I'm enjoying the hell out of it right up until it ends. Society doesn't approve? Fuck them. Women don't like me? Not my problem.

[jshm2]

LOL, it's a moot question, as men are not required solely for such purposes.

[Rosexøxø]

Yeah as for needs it makes sense if we broke it down into simpler thing:

Work for stabilizing country, sex for reproduction/ stabilizing population/ or building family/ and social aspects with whomever they’re friends with or in a relationship with. Isn’t that essentially what we do?

Doctors keep people alive. Politicians keep “ “ the country working forward (in whatever direction)
People reproduce
Therapists do for people why friends and family should’ve and could’ve done. Help preserve mental wellness.

Isn’t that pretty much everything?

May as well enjoy life along the way but there’s only so many things that can be done in a country, doctors office, therapist office, etc. etc.

We work. We solve. We socialize. We contribute. And it’s critical we stop and enjoy fruits of our labor and the pluses of life along the way.

Ferris Bueller said it better.

[Dongie]

You're moot! 🤓

[msc545]

Men are needed for money, labor, procreation, and protection. eg. risking their lives in wars. That is it I think. If you are thinking of sex itself, most women say they have better sex with other women than they do with men.

[goaded]

@Dongie "You're moot!" I'm Groot!

[beefcakebradybatson]

@msc545 Few women are lesbians.

[msc545]

@beefcakebradybatson You might be surprised at that.

[AMS700CX4u2]

I think today vision of Love and Sex has progressed to the point of painting ones self into a corner that has no escape except walking through fresh paint. Start loving the woman and not her parts. Both need to invest their futures in one another. Stop thinking of yourself as and independent entity. Start thinking we. Stop living out of independent checking accounts. Commit to one another.

[Anonymous]

I guess that depends on your definition of "utilitarian". We are all here as a celebration to God's glory. To be alive is to be in service to your fellow human beings. Some people have greater tangible use than others. But as the pope said, "there is no such thing as a life without value or use".

[Shiprex]

I'd suggest that RETIREMENT should be the purpose of life and that it should be different retirement ages for men as women. Men live less time, tend to work harder, longer and at more demanding and dangerous jobs than women so should be allowed to retire and have the same time left before they on average kick the bucket.

[msc545]

I don't disagree, but we can retire at any age we wish to. The problem is having to support wives.

[Shiprex]

@msc545 State pension age I meant that is should be LOWER for men since they tend to live less time and women should work longer to gain the same national benefits

[IslaTheWitch]

I can speak for all women and society... but I need my man for who he is...

[Fireguy17]

Oh ya.
I have had a lot of fun when I have been single by choice.
I had the freedom to come and go as I pleased, buy what I wanted, and never had to worry about anyone else but me.

[Jove79]

That’s the way it’s been, that’s the way it’ll always be, and everything has been smooth that way. Loads of things society needs daily to function has been invested, built and maintained by men. To help make the world go ‘round. I know it might piss some women off, but can’t run from the truth.

[goaded]

Why are you only concerned about "need"? What's wrong with "want" or "enjoy"?

[ShadowBound]

Absolutely. Emotional bonds, companionship, emotional depth, shared experiences, mutual respect? Nah. Clearly, all women want is a sentient ATM with a WiFi signal.

And once again, we’re served your signature dish: one part gender bait, two parts exaggerated drama, sprinkled with tired stereotypes, all simmered in a pot of let's bash women for clicks. Bon appetit

[ProbablyClueless]

I would say that life is absolutely worth living. If people find themselves in that sort of situation, I see that as an invitation by life to seize the moment and

[Lliam]

Life is not worth living for men who believe that. Victim mentality is all the rage these days.

[msc545]

Life is worth it, especially if you have simply abandoned the idea of needing women.

[Godihateyou]

AI and fake pussies have made woman completely obsolete

[FreyaRed]

It's surely nothing worth if you're reducing yourself to bare minimum

[Anonymous]

They need us for other things as well.

[coachTanthony]

what things?

[Opinion Owner]

Think about it and you will come to realize the beautiful bond between a man and a woman.

[coachTanthony]

bahahahahahahaa ok

[DrPepper12]

To just be a replaceable cog of labor for women is an awful existence, not a life

[ManWithNoseAndFeet]

missing a lot of cues in life bro

[Anonymous]

No, it's not worth it.

[Jamie05rhs]

Hell no. F that!