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How body proportions, strength and other factors determine the outcome of a fight

Whenever people discuss fighting between two different people, there’s always the one topic that causes so much debate and that is how much do body proportions(height, weight, build) and other factors determine the outcome of a fight. Well, I hope to settle this debate here.

Height vs Mass: There’s one thing that many people seem to confuse when talking about fighting, that is the difference between Height(body length) and body mass(weight). Most people seem to think that height and mass are the same thing but in reality they are two completely different traits. Height is simply how tall you are, while body mass is how much weight(fat, muscle or both) you have on you. They are not synonymous with each other, you can be tall and not have much body mass, you can be short and have a lot of body mass, you can be tall and have a lot of body mass or short and not have a lot of body mass. Height is a fixed trait, you can’t adjust it but body mass can be adjusted through diet and training regardless of your stature.

Fedor Emilianenko defeating the much larger Hong Man Choi
Fedor Emilianenko defeating the much larger Hong Man Choi
Karla Swanson victorious over the taller and burlier Karla Albuquerque in BJJ
Karla Swanson victorious over the taller and burlier Karla Albuquerque in BJJ

Height: When it comes to fighting, height alone isn’t that much of an important factor. Despite Egotistical heightists constantly claiming that tall stature is a major advantage, it has no basis in fact. There’s several street fighting videos where a smaller person knocks out a much taller person. In one vital YouTube video a short guy knocks out a much taller guy with one well placed right hook. In another video on Twitter, a short woman beats up three taller women at once. Plus, one of the greatest female Judokas Ryoko Tani is only 4’11” who defeated many taller women throughout her career. This just shows how insignificant height alone is when it comes to full contact. The only major advantage that tall stature offers is “reach” but even then, height and reach aren’t always synonymous with each other. There’s been a few fights where the taller fighter had lower reach than his or her shorter opponent and fights where both the shorter fighter and taller fighter had the same reach. Reach is only relevant where striking is involved, in grappling based competitions reach isn’t much of a factor. While I’ve discussed Pros and cons of being short and tall before, here are the advantages of a person’s height(whether short or tall) that are relevant to a fight.

Mark Hunt(5’11”) knocking out Stefan Struve(7’0”)
Mark Hunt(5’11”) knocking out Stefan Struve(7’0”)
Short guy knocking out tall guy
Short guy knocking out tall guy

Advantages of being the shorter fighter:

1.) Better maneuverability: The Shorter fighter will almost always have better maneuverability unless he or she has some injury. A shorter fighter will always find it easier to outmaneuver his or her larger opponent due to having more space to move around and being less cumbersome. Think of a small car vs a big rig, which is easier to maneuver? The obvious answer is the small car, same concept applies to a shorter person in a fight.

2.) Better dexterity: As a result of shorter fighters usually having smaller hands, shorter fighters will almost always have superior dexterity. Smaller hands allow better precision when it comes to grappling and striking. Think of how easy it is to utilize a smartphone with smaller hands, smaller digits allow better precision when using the keypad. Or how smaller hands make it easier to use needles and threads when it comes to sewing, knitting and weaving. Same concepts can be applied to fighting, specifically in grappling.

3.)Faster reflexes: The neural processing distance is shorter in shorter people allowing them to have faster reflexes.

4.) Lower center of gravity: Shorter people have lower center of gravity allowing them to perform takedowns much easier and also defend against takedowns as well.

5.) Less prone to leg injury: Shorter legs are less prone to leg injuries due to the leverage working in favor of the shorter legs. What’s more likely to break, a short pencil or a regular sized pencil. Same concept

6.) Better leverage when it comes to submissions: Same as above, shorter fighters will find it easier to lock on submissions on taller fighters due to better leverage. What is easier to break, a 1 inch pencil or a regular sized pencil? Same concept

7.) Surprise element: Everyone likes to underestimate the shorter fighter until the shorter fighter surprises and proves his or her doubters wrong.

Ann Wolfe(5’9”) Knocking out Vonda Ward(6’6”)
Ann Wolfe(5’9”) Knocking out Vonda Ward(6’6”)
Andre Galvao is only 5’7” yet is considered by many to be the best male BJJ competitor in Brazil, he even beat a 6’1” wrestler
Andre Galvao is only 5’7” yet is considered by many to be the best male BJJ competitor in Brazil, he even beat a 6’1” wrestler

Advantages of being the taller fighter:

1.) Reach advantage: The only significant advantage that comes with tall stature is the reach advantage and being the taller fighter isn’t always a guarantee that you’ll have a reach advantage. And reach advantages can be neutralized if the fight goes to the ground. With that being said, the rest of the advantages of tall stature are no where near as significant as reach.

2.) Confidence: Taller fighters may often feel a sense of confidence and are also less likely to be intimidated by their shorter opponents.

3.) Less likely to get hit in the face: As a result of taller fighter’s faces usually being out of reach from shorter fighters, the shorter fighter will have to work a bit harder to land a hit to the taller fighter’s face. This advantage is null if the fight goes to the ground or if the shorter fighter had sufficient reach.

4.) Intimidation factor: On certain occasions a taller fighter can use their height to intimidate his or her smaller opponent. This advantage is null if the shorter fighter has no fear.

Nikolai Valuev vs David Haye
Nikolai Valuev vs David Haye

Body Mass: When people talk about size, they are talking about body mass not height. Body mass is a much more important factor when it comes to fighting. There are so many more advantages that come with large body mass than with tall stature. Of course, body mass in muscle is more beneficial than body mass in fat. Nonetheless having more body mass won’t always guarantee victory because while there are advantages that come with large body mass, there’s also advantages that come with lean builds. Here is a video of the 5’2” 134lb Megumi Yabushita defeating the 6’3” 330lb Svetlana Guandarenko.

The 5’3” 134lb Megumi Yabushita victorious over the 6’3” 330lb Svetlana Guandarenko
The 5’3” 134lb Megumi Yabushita victorious over the 6’3” 330lb Svetlana Guandarenko

advantages of having lean body builds:

1.) Faster: Leaner fighters are almost always the faster fighter due to not being encumbered by excess body mass.

2.) Better endurance: Leaner fighters will almost always have better endurance.

3.) More flexible: Less body mass allows a person to be more flexible. This can be beneficial when locking on submissions.

4.) Better maneuverability/Less cumbersome: Lean builds allow people to have more maneuverability.

Cain Velasquez victorious over Brock Lesnar
Cain Velasquez victorious over Brock Lesnar
The 5’3” 160lb Reina Miura standing victorious over the 6’1” 190lb Jazzy Gabert
The 5’3” 160lb Reina Miura standing victorious over the 6’1” 190lb Jazzy Gabert

Advantages of having more body mass:

1.) Extra protection: Having more body mass means that you’ll have extra resistance to strikes. You’re not in invulnerable, a well placed strike from a leaner opponent can still drop you.

2.) Resistance to being lifted up: It will be harder for the leaner opponent to lift up a heavier opponent.

3) Resistance to being pushed around: Being a heavier fighter also means that you won’t be pushed or moved around easily.

4.) Deliver heavier strikes: A heavy fighter can also deliver heavier strikes by putting all their weight behind those strikes.

Misc body proportions that are factors in a fight:

1.) Fist size: Fist size determines the radius of impact that a person’s punches will deliver. Small fists won’t have a wide radius of impact but the impact will be packed tighter and deliver more damage within that radius. Bigger fists allow for a wider radius of impact that can knock down opponents easier.

Brock Lesnar wore XXL gloves in the UFC
Brock Lesnar wore XXL gloves in the UFC

2.) Bone density: A person’s bone density determines how well a person can withstand hits and joint locks.

Chuck Liddel in his prime was known for being hard to knock out
Chuck Liddel in his prime was known for being hard to knock out

Physical strength: Strength is an important factor when it comes to a fight. While being the stronger fighter won’t always guarantee a victory and there also being a chance you won’t always be the stronger fighter, having some strength is always beneficial.

1.) Forearm, wrist and hand strength: The stronger a person’s forearms, wrists and forearms are, the less chance of injury when throwing punches. Strong forearms, wrists and hands also allow stiffer punches and better grip when applying submissions.

Captain’s of Crush grippers
Captain’s of Crush grippers

A very important factor that determines punching power is shoulder strength, people who have strong shoulders can also help when it comes to performing throws.2.) Strong shoulders:

How body proportions, strength and other factors determine the outcome of a fight

3.) Strong biceps: A muscle that everyone likes to workout. Strong biceps can help you lift your opponent.

How body proportions, strength and other factors determine the outcome of a fight

4.) Strong glutes and quads: Punching Power is also generated from the glutes. In a sense, having strong glutes can factor into your punching power. While both glute and quad strength combined can also help you lift your opponent for a double leg takedown.

How body proportions, strength and other factors determine the outcome of a fight

5.) Ab/core and chest strength: Ab and chest strength helps you resistance body strikes to a certain extent.

Ab roller
Ab roller

Environment: The type of environment is also a factor. Some environments favor shorter fighters while other environments favor taller fighters. Environments can mean type of place and or type of stipulations. Shorter fighters tend to do better in grappling based combat sports(Judo, BJJ) where they can use their maneuverability, dexterity and low center of gravity effectively. While taller fighters tend to do better in striking based combat sports where they can use their reach advantage effectively.

Health and age: Certain health conditions can hamper a person’s fighting ability. For example, Arthritis can make person less durable. While fighters who are in their prime(25-39) will be in better condition than those who are over 40 years old.

Dan Severn still fighting in MMA at 61
Dan Severn still fighting in MMA at 61

Stamina: How much stamina is also very important, it determines how long you can last in a fight before losing your breath and thus hampering your fighting ability. Even if you have a significant size and strength advantage over your opponent, you’ll still end up in a vulnerable position if your stamina runs out.

Tenacity: A fighter’s will to succeed is very important in a fight. If a fighter isn’t feeling up to the task, has doubts or is distracted, the fight will most likely not end well for him or her. On the contrary, if a fighter has no quit in him or her, is determined to win and is focused then the fighter will most likely succeed.

The 5’6” 150lb Yuki Nakai triumphed over a 6’6” 240lb karateka and a 6’1” 250lb wrestler on the same night!
The 5’6” 150lb Yuki Nakai triumphed over a 6’6” 240lb karateka and a 6’1” 250lb wrestler on the same night!

Intelligence: Fighting isn’t all about brawn, there’s also a lot of brainpower that needs to be used. Many fighters have won many fights because of their superior intelligence.

Kazushi Sakuraba is known as the IQ wrestler
Kazushi Sakuraba is known as the IQ wrestler

Skill: Skill is very important in a fight, while we don’t have any tools to measure skill, we can roughly guess who is the more skilled fighter based on their experience and or belt rank. When both fighters are evenly matched in skill, the fight can go either way even if there is a significant size and strength difference based on the fact that the other factors listed above play a role that fight. Usually the more skilled fighter wins but there have been occasions where the less skilled fighter managed to defeat the more skilled fighter. One such fight was between Ray Mercer and Tim Sylvia.

And this backyard brawl between two guys who don’t seem to have any martial arts training, where the smaller of the two comes out on top.

Summary: Overall there are many factors that determine the outcome of a fight. It’s not as simple as narrowing it down to size and skill because that’s an oversimplification. In reality there are so many other factors involved in a fight that ultimately determine the winner of a fight. Even in the animal kingdom, size alone isn’t the only factor that determines which animal comes out on top in a fight, there are so many other factors involved as well. With that being said, the fighter who has the most advantages usually wins a fight.

Supplementary readings:

When David Beats Goliath: Fights Where the Smaller Person Took Down a Much Bigger Opponent

When David beats Goliath part 2: Occasions When the Smaller Person Defeats the Larger person

When David beats Goliath (Final part)

When David beat goliath (female edition)

Greatest Martial Artists In History: Part 1

Greatest Martial Artists In History: Part 2

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  • Robertcw
    Man this takes me back. My dad was a pro mma fighter back in the 70'--80's.

    He fought at 165lbs at 5'11. He would agree with all your points.

    His teacher was a Tiny Japanese man from Okinawa in El Paso. He trained every morning at 6am. Ended up winning a world championship title and then opened his own gym and dojo.
    Is this still revelant?
  • zagor
    My Dad told me of back in the day in the NBA, 5'7 Calvin Murphy KO'd 6'8 Sidney Wicks in an on-court brawl.
    Is this still revelant?

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  • GeanieJ78
    Good take. A lot of valid and legit points. Thank you for the information and highlights.
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  • Redstang88
    Fuck dude, give it a rest already. You want to prove you’re tough? Go take on a guy twice your size and tell me how it goes.
    You aren’t wrong, but that doesn’t change that myself and most people are gonna bet on the big guy.
    • ADFSDF1996

      @Redstang88 I’m not surprised you showed your face on this post, don’t blame me for your fragile ego. If you can’t handle a logical analytical discussion without lashing out then perhaps it’s you who needs to give it a rest until you actually acquire more maturity.

      And in regards to your suggestion, I’ve already grappled with larger guys growing up and have always came out on top.

    • Redstang88

      I’m just sick of you going on about this relentlessly, and I don’t know what you’ve got to prove.
      I seriously question that; if you had I’d be very surprised if you still felt the need to come on here and go on about it. I’m a short guy too, I’ve been in plenty of scraps and know and accept my limits.
      And grappling in a classroom is a far cry from a street brawl

    • ADFSDF1996

      @RedStang88 I’m only talking about this because it seems to be a common debate within martial arts communities. I’m only trying to settle the debate.

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  • Massageman
    Great body of research there. Some are so quick to dismiss speed and maneuverability for the smaller athletes.

    The only thing that I could add would be whether a person is fast-twitch muscle dominant (think sprints) or slow-twitch muscle dominant (think marathons).
  • LoU_Hades
    Being tall gives you range advantage, being fit and having more mass gives you strength advantage. In real confrontation on the street it's very likely that both opponents aren't trained in fight, hence their technique level is very similar. The one with more advantages will very likely win. But mostly wins the one who is more sober, because alcohol reduces massively the reaction time. LOL
    • ADFSDF1996

      Even then height, skill and mass aren’t the only factors involved. There are many more more factors that ultimately determine the outcome of a fight.

      Height by itself is nowhere near as important as mass is, considering that both short and tall fighters have advantages that come with their heights, which balances it out.

  • You should try actually fighting and not just writing about it🙂
    • ADFSDF1996

      I already have, now you should try the same.

  • The_White_Queen
    We had a former European judo championship competitor as a guest instructor, she was a great instructor very skilled but had trouble with some of the men in class even those her own size who were not black belts.
    • ADFSDF1996

      @The_White_Queen

      Men are on a whole different level than women when it comes to athletic performance in strenuous sports that’s just the cold truth, nothing sexist. Even a smaller man could still outperform a larger woman.

      While a woman can definitely handle a larger woman as shown above in the post. That woman would definitely struggle against a man even within the same weight class. That’s not to say a woman can’t beat a man in such scenarios but it’s very rare.
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1i1xBt9QKY

  • AynonOMouse
    I'm glad I'm 6' tall, strong, heavy, and still quicker than people smaller and have stronger stomach muscles than people with six packs have. I guess all the milk I drank and my genetics contributed to my bone density because others I've known got broken bones when the same impacts only gave me a small bruise. And I have a 77" reach even though I am only 6' tall. :)

    Good take. There really are many factors that contribute to people winning fights.
  • Blitzkrieg_88
    Height can be important espicially when it comes to hitting hard at range, we see this in boxing and special techniques are needed to get in under the jabs of a taller boxer.
    Weight is important too, It was after judoka were being overpowered by bigger taller western wrestlers that the sport decided to introduce weight categories.
    A combination of speed, timing, conditioning and skill in my view in my view wins fights.
    • ADFSDF1996

      Reach is pretty much the only advantage that tall stature offers, which isn’t really that significant. And even then some tall fighters have lower reach than their shorter opponents.

      Weight classes in mma weren’t introduced till the early 2000s. And even then MMA in East Asia still allows open weight fights. While BJJ, Judo, Wrestling, Sumo, Sanshou and kickboxing still allow open weight contests.

      The fact that open weight is still common in East Asian mixed martial arts promotions is why Rizin, One and Road FC have been on the rise in recent years while UFC and Bellator have been on the downfall.

    • Reach allows a fighter to hit at range and is difficult for the shorter fighter to counter or hit back espicially if the tall fighter is particularly skilled.
      MMA only really became mainstream and a sport in the early 2000s and that was nearly 20 years ago.
      Catch wrestler Ad Santel alongwith some others notoriously fought and dominated many judoka under judo rules.
      Let's be honest UFC and Bellator's downfall is that they are basically now the WWE.

    • ADFSDF1996

      Ad Santel was a good wrestler no doubt but he mostly fought low and mid tier Judokas. When he fought Judokas who were on his level, his bouts ended in draws. Masahiko Kimura Probably would have been able to defeat Ad Santel.
      How body proportions, strength and other factors determine the outcome of a fight

      Val Tudo was the mainstream combat sport pre 1990s. While MMA was founded in the 1990s. MMA was mainstream in Japan in the 1990s while it was only getting started in the US.

      Early UFC in the 1990s was “too violent” to be mainstream, it was causing too much controversies. John Mccain even called it “human cock fighting” that’s why they added all sorts of regulations the sport including the notorious weight classes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b7ybC0rFqxY

      Yes Height can offer a reach advantage but that reach advantage can be neutralized by taking the taller fighter to the ground. Just like in the fight between Felicia Spencer and Megan Anderson. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w-zJhhlUlJ4

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  • themaker39
    Height gives you reach when striking.
    Strength doesn't help you at all if you grapple, but is deadly when striking.
    I threw 120kg guys around when j was 80 myself.

    Technique, conditioning and some power (explosive) will do it.
  • SoloxxxxuNo
    I thought there was supposed to be a question. Nice book report dude. I would go so far as to assume that you are or always wanted to be a school teacher. I am curious if you are a professionally trained fighter, or just a keyboard warrior crunching numbers. As far as the outcome of the fight goes , heart and hunger are way more deciding factors than height. Desire , and fear are other factors. A guy fighting for his life is way, way more dangerous than a guy fighting for a clothing accessory made of precious metals
    • ADFSDF1996

      @SoloxxxxuNo “I am curious if you are a professionally trained fighter, or just a keyboard warrior crunching numbers. ”

      Common passive aggressive snobbish attitude from a generation x 40 year old. Say, do you know what a false dichotomy is?

    • Redstang88

      Good question, I’ve asked the same thing for years and have yet to get an answer

    • Red, I think the answer is hidden in his choice of which part of my question rose his ire. Almost the same the effect of a magnet traveling over plastic or glass, there was no response involving the trained fighter portion of the inquiry. Now observe , as we again associate this clown with a mom's basement inhabiting keyboard warrior of the jobless subspecies... he becomes very agitated, and begins defending his nest. ...

      ... Let's observe.

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  • Somethingwittty
    Makes it hard for them to fight if you pop them in the throat or nose.
  • Daniela1982
    So with my fat ass I should be able to kick major ass!
    • ADFSDF1996

      It depends how nimble and how much stamina you have. There have been many heavy set women who’ve lost to much slimmer women in fights.

  • Liam_Hayden
    Training is definitely a big part of it. At 6'2 and about 200 I have taken down bigger guys who were lesser trained, and have been pinned by guys 40 or 50 lbs lighter who were better trained.
  • BeardMagic
    I think strategy or technical stuff overpowers everything
  • ImpatiensSultani
    Good take
  • Wildmanjohn
    Boring
  • BlacklightShade
    The man with the biggest testicles loses.
  • Youngdro2006
    100% skills
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