
Do you hesitate/watch for signs or just go for the kill? The worst answer is no?

Do you hesitate/watch for signs or just go for the kill? The worst answer is no?
In this day and age any man that does that is risking being arrested for sexual harassment, stalking, attempted rape… no thanks i will stick with Aubrey my RealDoll.
First time is always hard. You get nervous you get sweaty. You can even get scared. What happens if she doesn't want to go out with me, that big rejection.
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I'm in a relationship now but before I met my partner, all of my dating was the result of online meetings. I found that to be very easy and quite productive. If I started messaging women online, I usually had a date within a week.
The worst answer isn't no. That's the second-most-ideal answer. The worst answer, is "let me think about it," stated in a tone of voice that can barely hide their loathing and contempt for you. It's passive-aggressive, offering false hope that you can salvage a friendship if nothing else, while baiting you to believe nothing bad will come of it. Only for her posse to descend after you've left and decided to focus on something else. Next thing you know, you're dealing with armies of crazed white knight vigilantes harassing you for months on end. Police watching your every move for months in the hopes of trying to find something on you. Constantly being randomly accused of horsecrap, and the accusers, when busted having no proof, then trying to gaslight you for confronting their lies, as they seek to make you question your own sanity, or attempt to drive you to suicide.
And then you know: that was her real answer. But she wasn't content to just tell you herself to go die in a fire. She tried to turn a whole town against you, in the hopes that one of them might make it so.
And then you find out why she would do something so extreme, instead of offer you a simple no. And it will be something really lame, like you didn't know how to solve some chemistry equation she needed to ace some exam in college that she randomly hit you up for advice on, assuming you had to know because you understood some basic biology lesson material from a different class of hers better than she did. But she failed the chemistry class, and blames you, because you couldn't help her understand something that was beyond your own knowledge of the subject.
But she now has a whole town after you as if you were the villain in the story!
That's a FAR worse outcome than a simple no. And that was my summer in 2007. She could've simply called me on the phone and said: "sorry, not interested anymore." That would've been the end of it. She instead tried to trap me in a horror film.
So honestly I live in a small town and the last thing you can afford is getting a bad reputation. So if you're the type of guy that just asks everyone out then word gets around and women will avoid you.
So in general if I saw women I was interest in then yes I would approach her, because the worse she can say in no. So no harm no foul, but people that use this strategy are the ones that will ask out a 100 women and get 99 no answers, until they get the 1 that will say yes.
So dating today is not like it was 20 or 30 years ago, most women out in public put up barriers and wall themselves off... its hard to get a women to look in the eyes these days when hold a door for them. Hell my girlfriend walks around with ear buds in her ears when she's out even if she not listening to music just to discourage men from talking to her.
So this is why I do online dating, because women on line are at least advertising a degree of availability. If I connect with women online, I am asking her out within 24 hours for a first date, and if she says no I move on no problem. Because at the end of the day its a numbers game. After a day of chatting online if she is not willing to meet me then I am not wasting my time, because there are 4 to 5 other women I could be chatting and meeting.
Just last week I had a very attractive women approach and talk to me at a gas station... like a real live women chatting me up in public out the blue. Seriously women hardly ever approach men like that, its been like over 10 years for me. We had a great conversation, but I was so caught off guard that I didn't even get her name or number. But I am in a committed relationship already so I told myself that if I was single I would be in hunt mode and would of asked her.
I often talk, flirt and am so friendly they usually ask me out and for my info. If not I have on occasion asked for their contact info, and like you said... if I get no, no big deal.
Too many people 'target' in advance who they want to ask out, they practice, they invest heavily into it with their emotions and have this vision of how it is going to go down.
It never works out exactly that way and if they get rejected, it is devastating, because they invested so much into it. If they get a yes but just for one or two dates and then no more, then they also might be like why'd you say yes if your just going to do this?
As a result I find it better to just go for the kill straight away with no planning, no emotional investment.
I never succeed when I just ask. 90% of the time, I get ghosted after asking them out and getting their number.
I've only had one girlfriend and only had 6 dates in the 7 years since then. I don't fear rejection at all anymore since I've been rejected so much, but the thought of just asking anyone out is no longer appealing. It's exhausting thinking about going out of my way to most likely waste 5 minutes on an interaction that will almost certainly get me ignored later on and likely waste even more of my time.
Dating is "easy" based on your social market value (desirability). Everyone wants women. No one wants short, overweight, ugly or dark dudes.
Furthermore, women nowadays, either legitimately or to f*ck with you, try to make you out to be a sexual assaulter/rapist just to talk to them nowadays. Literally just saying hello or whatever. They'll try to cry "RAPE!" or whatever.
That doesn't stop me because I've heard all the BS before, but that's how women are nowadays. Like I said in another post, every modern woman is either gay, woke, an e-whore, or just burned put from only choosing Chads who'll cheat on her. And if I have to decide between a 'bisexual,' feminist, OF whore, or emotionally damaged, I guess I'll just stay single for the rest of my life then! 🤷♂️
He'd need to let me know he likes me too before I'd ask if he wanted to go on a date or die his number.
I once asked a guy friend if he wanted to go out for a meal. I really thought he liked me the way I liked him. But he rejected me. He made the excuse he was too busy all the time. I'm still friends with him, but I still kinda feel embarrassed and hurt about the rejection.
Thanks :) I'm the same. I'd rather be hurt by the truth than lie to me.
I never cold approach. And “no” isn’t the worst. Women are SAVAGE when they think nothing of a man. They can and will say the cruelest things, but that’s not the limit of it. I once saw a woman let a man buy her a drink just to turn around and dump it on him. Then HE got kicked out of the bar and she didn’t. Ell oh ell!
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Well it depends. Sometimes I will go for the kill, other times I won't.
Some women are simply more open to communicating and starting a friendship to begin with.
Other women are very closed off, and you have to actually engage with them consistently for a very long period of time before they start to open up. I do tend to push things a little bit even with these type of women. I also don't base or change my opinion from one conversation, so If she seems cold in one conversation I'll re-engage about a week later, and if that doesn't change anything I tend to distance myself. Also depends on whether there are mutual aqquaintances/friends in the equation.
It is hard, speaking from a man pov, because we are Stereotyped these days, seen as "freaks" that are after just Sex, nothing else... Today socialising like old days are gone... Today if a Girl she's not having her likes on social platforms she take's it out on the closest person next to her... today they are like Electronic Zombies, life just passes by them and they realise that when is too late... So when we try to get them off those "devices" and enjoy life More, we start getting the Grudge, for no real reason... so yeah! It is Hard to approach a woman these days without being Stereotyped...
Sounds like the men perpetuating those stereotypes are the real issue here
@Subarugirl, i'm curious how you figure that out?
It is men, doing those things that are perpetuating those stereotypes
Is not just men, when you're rejected, over and over, then you give up, you tend to become introverted, and when going out you being a loner, better that way, than keep on being rejected or be seen as just a ons, or nsa...
I have become much better at asking out than I once was. After putting myself out there more and knowing there is a good chance of rejection I kind of expect it and am not afraid of it anymore. Even when some women can be real nasty about it, I view that as them having a problem with themselves and don’t let it get to me.
I don’t get why be nasty if someone asks someone out. The courage to muster to approach a person is already like a big deal and to throw it back in their face is just wrong. Just be nice and say I’m sorry I have a man. Or sorry, you’re not my type but smile 😃. Makes rejection a little easier to take. At least you tried
Yea I don’t get it either. It’s like they are acting offended that I think I’m in “their league” or something by. Seems like if their friends are around it is more likely so I try to avoid groups more which I kind of feel like is putting them on the spot more so anyways.
But yes, just politely turning down is much easier to take in for sure lol
most people do not get their dates by asking strangers out. most people meet their significant others from school or clubs or groups or parties or mutual friends.
spot on, have approached an unkown lady less times than Ihave fingers on one hand
@Ill_made_Knight I have been approached by strangers at the grocery store 😂 a few times. By the health section 🤣 or the cake section 😑 even at the deli 😂
@Pinay_ako
did u accept their numbers?
@Pinay_ako someguys I knew used to swear by the produce section... lmao
Just look helpless they said
@Ill_made_Knight which avocado looks better 🤣
@Pinay_ako
why didn't you accept?
@Pinay_ako
haha. but based on all your questions on here, i'd thought you would be very romantically inclined.
yep... always thought approaching some lady, vegetable in hand... yeah... nope
It's easy look at this guyhttps://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/real-life/my-boyfriend-gets-100-erections-24660001
My dog has vomited up better looking things but he managed to get a date. You've just got to aim really low.
for me in particular, it would be "easy" to get a date, yes...
I've been asked out often, so all I would have to do is to agree to it, lol
however, to me is not that simple
yes... lol
It is not asking out. It is swooning and converse into let's continue this together. Small talk, joke (he makes me laugh), ask out. Interests and all that over martini and nice sample eats. Maybe the third time a silent date (movie) or fancy one. I'm always looking for formulas and accomplishment-so it is what it is...
I've never had a problem with approaching women (or girls, when I was under 18). You're going to get rejected most of the time when you are bold like that, but that means you aren't missing out because you're too timid, and quite a few times I've approached a woman who it turns out is in a relationship but who wanted me to meet her sister or friend, so you never know what will happen and shouldn't be scared to approach.
I find it pretty easy, overall starting conversations with strangers and making friendships is easy for me but honestly I do it rarely, mostly I'm too lazy to start something new...
Omg giirl hahahha I can't, you too! but that's pretty amazing 🙏🏼
At least NO is cheap! For my part I do want to know more than whether her breast size is within my preferred range. So I will have spent some time talking to her.
The hard part is really to determine if. They are worth asking out in the first place. I need more than a look to determine that.
If it's someone you work with are in school with or see often - it can be a little tricky because if they say no it's going to be kind of awkward every time you see them again - if it's someone you don't otherwise know or have contact with it's easy - just ask
i'm a little of a shy guy myself, but i just put my chin up and really try to boost up my confidence and than ask a girl out, if rejected i get a little down for like a few days until i lift myself up again and than back in the game lol.
Honestly I’ve only ever dated online. And it’s easy that way. But I think it’s also a bad idea to date online only. Will try in person dating when I get up the nerve
Of course it was hard. It’s hard for everyone. To me it was run the fire and ask or live with regret and be wondering what I missed. A possible “No” is easier to live with.
Depends on the wome some are more approachable then others. I never had an easy time of it but those that I took that leap and asked put or just talked too became some of my very best friends. It helped that I enjoy talking and I can be funny.
You are right. I believe one of the biggest mistake men make is setting expectations. They expect women they text to inmediately start asking questions, and inmediately start returning the favour by initiating. Women don't get attached too quickly, so you'll have to put in a few weeks (sometimes even a few months) before they start initiating themselves.
I’d never ask for a stranger’s number.
if they’re not in some way connected to my life I wouldn’t date them. I’d get to know them through repeated contact and then decide the next step.
There's no such thing as approaching someone in this day and age for me. I only get close with people who are friends with me first, personally or online.
Asking women out these days is viewed as creepy and you risk getting arrested for sexual harrassment and stalking.
I actually never ask strangers out, because I don't know who they are and I don't know whether or not I will actually want to date them.
@MangoBob While I can see your point, I'm not quite that paranoid yet.
@Pinay_ako Then I would accept. But I would try to make it abundantly clear that we were just talking casually and that she shouldn't get her hopes up. Because I don't want to break anyone's heart.
I definitely hesitate. Talking is easy, but building expectations is easier for me. Sometimes you need to just ask someone, and not worry about the answer.
Easy. I don't approach nor ask for numbers.
No I have no confidence or anything in that area of life. Sadly I'm gonna end up all alone for ever.
I don't ever cold approach I just talk to the chick if she's down or not I will get her snap it's usually easy to tell
I only talk to girls that I catch staring at me and we have a few random convos and they act like they love talking to me or the fact I talked to them so when they act like that I be like what's your snap & it's easy. Some girls be like "oh I don't know what I'm gonna do after I think I may see a movie or hang with a friend but I really don't got plans" and that's another easy cue to ask and some girls straight up be like what's you doing this weekend?
And be like oh you got snap or IG and I just give them the snap. I don't have to cold approach and some girls get mad at me for not picking up on their cues and the issue is they act dim and dead af so idc lol they think I'm being hot and cold I'm not I think there weird. And Timder is a whole nother story and the easiest way I get chick's lol
@Pinay_ako the fact that he approaches women that are “down or not” is kind of a red flag.
@Subarugirl I'm not Into you
Thanks fucking god for that!
If you search on dictionary the page for “hesitation” you’ll probably find my face.
A “no” answer is like a stab in my back.
I don't approach cause i already know I'm going to get a no. Why waste time then?
I've had enough experience, not looking to try more and get hurt.
It's alright now, I've accepted that I'm not gonna be able to date. It's easier to move on and live life
Someone I haven't previously met? It's easy after a bit of conversation. If they won't engage, then there's no point in asking.
men approaching women, why do i get the feeling that will never change
ya but its still very rare for a woman to approach a man
I dont ask anymore. The answer is always no so why bother
Hard, quite hard. It's easy to go up to a woman, but that rejection is always going to be there unless you are her type and your practically a male instagram model or a fitness model to her,... then it's definitely a yes.
Ridiculous.
I just start with small talk then see what things they like an then if I feel they start to warm up to me I find out if married or not cuz some girls dont wear wedding rings so I dont go after married girls now if they were getting a devorce yes then I will date them then I usely say would you like to have lunch with me in the park in the nice weather other wise its would you like to go to dinner an I pick a nice family type restraint an then i go dancing with them
Yes, dating is easy. Attraction and Communication are a 2-way street. If I stop getting positive vibes, then I stop pursuing and let her ask me out.
If it happens, great! if doesn't, then it wasn't meant to be.
Omg it's very difficult for me. Unless we get to know each other first before I ask
Because I see myself as unattractive so I assume rejection
Me...
Easy. I know what/who I want. Easy for me to screen out those who do not meet my standards.
first of all I wouldn’t ask for a stranger’s personal information that is creepy and a red flag in my book.
I go long periods with relationship or sex because I'm to shy in person to go hit on someone. but in a relationship they tend to last a year or more
I would say it's easy for me kinda depends.
Hard because the interest wasn't from them initially.
when I was not married it was easy was not worried about rejection but then I was pretty hot so didn't get turned down much but that was a long time ago
it's hard asf for me irl but a bit easier on text lol
Wouldn’t know. Never tried. But I’m modern society, I don’t blame men for not trying.
It is very easy for me to ask girls out. I usually meet them in a local pub and most know me from what other girls told them.
@Pinay_ako Thank you for the Like
Honestly it's not something I can do. I can't approach someone and ask for a number so I'm stuck with online dating which tbh isn't any better
It's not easy.
Always second guessing. Sometimes I look into the eyes of the girl with a smile if she smiles back, I can proceed but when she doesn't I walk away.
It used to since I have been rejected many times but now i just move on, NEXT
Honestly can't remember, I haven't tried dating in over 10 years
Getting a girl's number is easy, it's what comes after that gives me trouble
I don’t mind the word no, so asking is no problem.
I've never approached a woman, I'm a pussy
I just use my charm on girls at work until they approach me lol
Used to anyway
@haha456 has it right. Don't let it be random
its not that I don't think its good to be random. I don't care if its random or not.
Its just reality is, the chances of you finding the right person by approaching is very slim. Most married couples meet through mutual friends. Because people tend to have more in common with mutual friends. also because friends know you the best so they know who would be compatible with your personality.
@Haha456 accurate i'd say. I actually went fromTexas to England some time back, we'd been talking for something like 2 years... cool experience... didn't work
Talking is easy, but making the move is hard obviously.
I tend to definitely watch for signs... but i do get in my head a ton too
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