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its a combo of fear, how they were raised, and also you have to consider this... so many young men were raised by women- so they do fear women in some regard... But the BIG one is fear... all the acting like 'cocky assholes' is nothing more than projection... that will change with time for them. Girls who ask guys out ain't desperate. They just know what they want...
Hey, why not wait for a girl to initiate? Then we know they're interested. When you're asked, you're in the position of power, to reject or accept. When you do the asking, you're in the position of weakness.
agreed
I have taken the initiative of asking 3 differant girl out and all 3 times I ended up getting embarrassed. The last time the girl had 3 guys beat me up for asking her. So I'm not going to put myself in that position again. I have great respect for any girl that asks a guy out because it goes against everyones pre-concieved notion.
What they did was illegal.
beating me up?
man I would love to kick those guy's asses for what they did to you, especially their leader.
Well thanks I actually had no fear of asking a guy if he liked me and then i did and he said yes but later on my friends asked him in letter that had my name on it then he just asked who sent and i told him my friends did and he just left it at that but then i asked him personally and he said "no that he couldn't see it" not to mention that he was smiling like the whole thing was a joke
Beat up for asking a woman out? What is this, a PG 13 teen comedy, or a lie. I can bet, both!
It's a really scary thing. that's why the cocky ones are able to do it. I guess if you want them to ask you you have to make it easy for them , let them know you are interested make them feel confident that they might get yes.
when you have asked guys out how did that work?
Guys have to have confidence in themselves to ask a girl out. Some are mostly like cocky and jerks if they approach a girl to only have sex unless that girl is OK with it.
Some guys may genuinely not be interested in a relationship. A lot are non commital. Girls who ask guys out are not necessarily desperate. they can be really hot and guys are generally intimdated by them, so the girl makes the move or helps it along.
Seriously as a man who has been dumped by nearly ev ery woman I have went out with, I am terrified of woman and rejection. It takes me a long to recovery from rejection and I still suffer bad self image problems from the cruel things that were said to me. I have been single for nearly 20 years, and have only dated a few times but that was enough. Lame huh? I am a good guy, and not bad looking, I guess I just don't have what they were looking for. I was always to nice, buying flowers and stuff. Trying to work out our differences when she was being a bitch to me, and thinking...Man this guy just doesn't have a clue...Oh well, I am happy now, and can take care of myself...Maybe someday I'll meet the right kind of girl.
I used to be shy when I was younger and slightly am today. I try, like every man should, to let rejection roll off my back, but it's kind of hard to put yourself on the line only to essentially be told that you're not good enough. I understand where you're coming from, but it's not like the possibility of rejection is just a little thing to get over.
It just seems dumb to make a move unless the girl gives some kind of obvious signal she wants you to because so many girls have so many guy friends you can never tell if you're in the friend zone or not. If I'm in the friend zone and make some move on a girl she's going to either classify me as a man whore or everything will be awkward after that and the friendship will pretty much end.
Men with the balls to approach a girl were hunted to extinction by the feminist movement in the late 1970s. All surviving men with courage are confined to museums.
The modern generation had their spirits systematically broken at a young age.
LOL.. someones a little butt hurt about it... lol jk
hahaha.. sorry.. that's hilarious
funny and true. An entire generation of boys were raised by mothers who grew up in the peak of the feminist movement. The were taught since they could crawl that men were evil oppressors and they must enver be evil like previous generations. OF COURSE they don't have any balls,
i love rednecks
@ luciius46ad
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I actually agree to a point, just look at how many guys in their teens dress, looks like a bunch of Justin Beiber wannabes lol.
AMEN... this should be best answer... it's even better than my answer
kind of a broad generalization don't you think?
I bloody hate feminism... yes and I'm a female!
Ahhhh, the cry of of a redneck.
First no we never think a girl is desperate. Its more her showing interest for the guys to know that he can now start the chase because she is into him. Here is the deal, girls seem to usually push a guy away when he is trying to ask her to hang out. They always say they are busy but then leave a little hope for him by say something that will keep him around just so she gets attention. Its absolutely insane how many girls reject even after a guy takes time to get to know them.
Yes, it's non-comprehensible. Men as well as most women don't understand why they are running this pattern. When we are in our feminine energy we need the attention. It's our emotional dependency on men to give it to us. No one else, not even our children can give us what you have. The strength, the initiative, the emotional stability.
You are the one's we can lean on after we stormed all over you until we completely exhausted ourselves. And hopefully not be judged as being hysterical or insan
Excellent, Excellent comment, JoiceJoker!
Yet 40 years ago, they were all so thick and blind to the realities of life!
Thanks for your thoughtful comment.
If you want to know where it all went wrong and how it has ruined matters, try Denis Towers' book, "Australia Imploded!"
As one female said " the trick is to decide which one you want and then try to make it seem like it is his idea" If they are going to make all the decisions it is easier to wait and just be "selected". The only problem with this is that you will get the desperate ones as well...
Why should anyone waste their time trying to plant an idea in someone elses head ?
That encourages deceit. It makes things really awkward. If some1 plant an idea, it would be difficult to NOT think the other was doing the same. Everything suddenly has a double meaning.
People say don't read into things, at the same time are encouraged to waste their time, trying to get others read into things. That's on par with expecting somr1 to learn ONLY how to speak a language without hearing it spoke.
Aren't you old enough to tell someone politely to f*** off? ;) Ahem...Seriously, before you make a "move" she's been sending signals that you caught anyways. Even when she didn't notice you. That's what you respond to more than a visual in spite of what's said about the visuality (is that even a word?) of men...And yes, there are many desperate women as well as many desperate men out there.
it depends on the guy's situation and if he likes the girl enough to go out with her. I've liked girls and didn't ask them out because I knew the relationship would have no future, just cause you like someone doesn't mean you'll want to marry them.
and no, I don't see the girl as desperate if she makes the first move, I see her as brave and out going. and I wouldn't mind a girl just wanting sex from me.
yeah before you go insulting everyone, think of their back grounds, me for example I've always struggled making friends, I'm always too smart and logical, and for crying out loud, I was always the last one to be picked on any compulsory sporting activity at school or any team event , so how do you think that makes us feel? lonely? rejected? ignored? and what do we do? push our feelings inside because there the things that always get hurt and no matter how much you hope this get better they never do, until the point where they are now so deep, you don't know who you are anymore, its society's f***ing fault.
I have always taking a bit of time when asking a lady out. I have been fairly successful, although have not had a large amount of experience. It is hard if you like someone to put it all on the line and risk blowing it when your quite happy trudging along.
I will approach a girl but I like to know before that there is an invitation to do so. If I catch her looking at me, puting herself in places I am at, then I will know it is okay to say hi.
I will admit that there are times I would rather live with regret than rejection.
omg I feel bad for you no ask a girl out if you like her DO IT its bettr to speak and look like a fool (bsides she might say yes and ull feel like flying)than stand in the shadows and hope something happens because it usually dusnt like once this one guy and I liked each othr but he was scared to ask me so I kept waiting but he nvr asked me and I got ovr him and we cudv been together but he was scared I ended up askin him but what if I hadn't you can get ovr rejection if you hav confidence so go get some!
I am the exact guy you are describing...both the shy afraid to make a move guy, and the asshole. This is what I finally realized...I am an asshole to girls I don't respect because I know I can sleep with them and then never have to deal with them again, ie. I could careless what they think about me. On the other side, I have never had a problem getting girls...and it took me up until law school when I actually had to ask out girls to realize that every hookup I have ever had or girl I dated was because SHE made the first move. Now I often find myself being extremely shy, somewhat awkward when there is a girl I actually like because I have never had to ask a girl out! It's not that I am afraid of 'rejection' I think it is more as if I have to be 'the perfect guy' which leads me to not act myself...
Too many conceited bitches these days. Women are often very disrespectful when they reject a guy, with that in mind, who the hell will put themselves out there? Not only that but not only we have to make the first move, but we also have to put up with their damn tests, to make ourselves datable and attractive for them...its not easy to be a guy man.
Men don't afraid to make a move for girls they like. They afraid of rejection but it's not a big deal if they really like a girl.
I guess you and your friends need to think maybe you are over confident not those guys who are interested in you.
P.s I really respect girls who ask guys out.
Im super late to this but to make a long story short I will explain a bit here.I myself as a cute/hot guy am not scared of getting rejected by a beautiful girl.To tell you the truth I think most guys don't really know what they are really afraid of when it comes time to talking to a pretty girl.I can easily carry on a conversation with an ugly girl well because she's ugly, but when it comes time to talking with a pretty girl now that's when things get hard and its difficult to carry on a conversation and not making a fool of oneself.Most of us guys really prefer for a pretty girl to make the first move but some guys actually do make the first move.Same goes for the girl,girls always expect the guy to make the first move either because they are shy or because they are afraid of rejection.I understand that its the guy that has to make the first move but it can be pretty dam hard sometimes.0.o
most girls are not afraid-- except on gag. & it does not have to be the guys first move. you want to believe that. that's your choice.
It's purely a rejection thing, most guys just consider that hot girl over in the corner to be either A to pretty and therefore tired of dealing with guys walking up anmd talking to her or B that they'll be a bitch and turn them down. I agree with you, you'll never know unless you try, but it can be hard for guys to build up the nerve, or to blow a conversation halfway through and think of themselves as stupid for messing it up.
... or get arrested for "harassment".
if I girl asks me out I won't think she's desperate . Yes we are afraid of rejection I really liked this girl but I was shy not asking her out was biigest mistake of my life . m advice is tell him how you feel if he doesn't say same back give him time
Its been guys like me know that women are evil, and want to eat our sooooullls.
u are kinda right anyway dear,may be too shy ,or too scared due afraid of being turned off,
i do like your score,and your profile,can we be friends,?
may be we can learn and share ideas together,
,i do await your reply,
enjoy your day dear,
Caley Tega
Rejection's a bitch that no one wants to mess with. That's why both men and women in general have problems to let the other know their interested and would live to get to know them better.
LOL they say.
No to the second part but I could see where some younger men might think that. I don't approach because I don't have a need to. I have a highly independent lifestyle and really only a passing interest in any relationship. If a woman doesn't approach me I'm simply not interested, as I have better things to do with my time.
uhh I'm not scared I thought long ago that if a girl turns me down don't take it personally because she doesn't know me personally. she just doesn't want to f*** me and I'm good with that not everybody is going to want to f*** you. I've only been rejected twice once in first grade lol and once as a sophomore in college, I was so surprised by that I didn't even realize I was rejected.i just walked away and thought what the f*** just happened
Not to sound conceited but every guy I have dated or wanted to date me just wanted to f*** me. So trust me, that's what I've been dealing with.
did you make the mistake of f***ing them
Yep. Well because I was hoping they'd stay on their word and actually stay after they got what they wanted. And not gonna lie, I like sex too. But just because a girl likes sex doesn't mean she should be treated like an object.
well if you break yourself in a good man will not want you. your vagina will never be as tight as it was when you had the v card. your husband should do the honors of stretching you out. so if you give it away. expect to be treated like that
So your saying a good guy won't want me because I've been with lots of guys? Um what happened to giving people second chances and forgiving people?
thats exaclty what I'm saying. second chances mean second chance meaning not lots of guys but a mistake. and forgivness sure, that doesn't mean they have to marry you. actions have penalties.
Nah. A good guy will see past that. People have needs you know. lol
nope a good guy will think e can do better
I agree with the "answerer"... a good guy will not see past that. Me, personally that's my number one dealbreaker, a girl that's been with every. In general there is nothing new to you
I think the bigger question is... Why do we still live in a society where guys are always pressured to make the first moves?
no reason, none at all. its retarded.
Here's the deal: IT'S YOUR ENERGY!
Breathe it in...slowly and let it fill you up. *grin* It's the initiative you, as a male, are naturally equipped with. It's yours for the taking. You want to be in a position of being taken? That's kinky! Want me to pull out my whip, too? ;)
I hope it stays that way because times are changing, I'm curious as to who girls will choose, if the guy doesn't approach them, and if you don't want to approach a guy, may you forever be alone.
I actually really am that scare of rejection. I fear it so much I almost avoid girls all together. I don't have any female friends and stuff. It would mean everything to me if I was noticed and liked because my fear is too strong that no matter how much I like a girl I can't ask her out.
Do you have any pretty fems in your family you could go out with? They can support you as wingwomen... ;)
Not really anyone my age
Guys tend to not care about if a woman seems desperate or not...
The thing is, though, the reason why they don't like to initiate is for the same reason you don't... NOBODY LIKES BEING REJECTED.
Most women are into loud , obnoxious jerks. A lot of women consider shy, quiet guys to be wimps, losers, unmanly etc. So why should we bother? Keep pursuing the jerks and leave the rest of us alone! You're NOT worth it!
U don't even know me... lol
I know this comment is late, but I find shy guys extremely attractive :)
@ love life1987, I guess I don't get the point of laughing at (or about) someone who is obviously very frustrated and hurt. A lot of these guys have been chased away by some not-so-nice girls. Granted, there are enough bad girls AND guys who make us all miserable, but let's NOT try to make things worse.
Last guy I seriously liked was quiet, intelligent and a bit shy. He was a Junior Doctor and we flirted a lot... he never asked me out, and nothing happened. I was so into him, I'd have been over the moon if he had done, but I was never gonna ask him out because I'm far too shy! I've done my years of being into the loud, obnoxious jerks, that's such a turn-off. A shy guy would be wonderful, but if he's shy and I'M shy... how's it ever gonna happen?
Because people don't want to validate their undesirableness. And, as you have noticed, it's mostly aggressive assholes who approach these days. Why is that? Who's changed more in the last couple of generations, men or women?
Both genders, actually. Thanks for giving that pointless paragraph.
I think it's because lately guys have been really into the whole "bad boys always get the girl" theory, so if they really like a girl they assume that she'll reject them if they don't fit the bad boy image.
Exactly
I'm just not looking for girls. there are quite a few guys who just enjoy being single and don't want or need a GF.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjnv8LYNu5YCause some guys don't feel good about themselves. Some are scared of rejection, while others are afraid of being called a "creeper."
i don't like making the move. if she wants something, then, she should make the move. that's how it works.
if she doesnt, its ok.. I didn't lose anything LOL, its gonna be all the same.
i think this is fine. whatever works.
Yes, and it's always going to be the same old emptiness within you, the same old bullsh*t you keep telling yourself of why you are waiting for a woman to make a move, the same old sh*t you dig yourself into until you sweat it? Aren't you sick of feeling powerless? Don't you want to be initiative, courageous, stunningly bold? F*** FEAR!
BJJFighter (you even carry that alias), you can win this game. Don't wuss out! You'll leave a greater wound than you could imagine...at this point.
Unfortunately I suffer from this problem. Heck, I even find it hard to ask girls out that like me back! For me, it's down to my apparent lack of self-confidence and shy nature.
whats wrong with girls going after what they want? why is taking charge a masculine thing? it's the 21'st century, quit being so sexist
yeah that's true but doesn't mean it has to be that way
there are sure some 19th century thinkers on this site
If a person doesn't have the courage to ask a a girl out, that must mean the girls is not on his level. Maybe that guys should find more girls who are on his level to ask out; he'll have more confidence this way.
And this would raise his so-called 'level'? How does that make sense?
I didn't say it would raise it.
So, logically, what you must be saying is that some guys are just screwed regardless of what they do. That's just wonderful.
i know eh! Just ask a girl out- text her as much as you want--- we like the attention. Just ask us. The worst thing is you get a no, the best...who knows
If only!!!!!! If a guy was guaranteed to get a sipmle no, sorry I'm not interested, then the female population would be hit on 1000 times more. The reality is you are more likely to get a "Fuck off! As If you would ever get a girl like me you ugly f*** bag. Get out of my space and never come near me again Don't even look my way"
The above is not through personal experience you understand but I'm a people watcher and I see this all the time. Why would any guy want to go through that? Shit...
U must have had some crappy experiences with girls. lol
honestly, I would never say that to a guy---ever ... and any girl who does---deserves to be alone for the rest of her life. ...
And I think its worth it for a guy to go through rejection --- no pleasant -- but it stops them from posting question for a 3rd party to answer lol
That's not always true. There is a guy that likes me. He is constantly text me and responding to ALL of my posts on Facebook. I have already told him that I'm interested in someone else, but he just doesn't get it. So guys, yes try it! (because we do like the attention), but if she tells you that she's not interested, no worries... on to the next!
OMG I would laugh my balls off if a girl said that to me. Seriously, that would be cool! She would be one interesting pyscho bitch, but in no way would that hurt my ego.
because we have been doing that for centuries, and it's impossible for a girl to be labeled a creep, so that's why it's better if you girls do it.
we hate rejection, personally I hate it as in it pisses me off, makes me angry, not hurt my feelings
I don't think it's rejection they're afraid of, rather than ruining what's going good, or getting hurt in the long run. There's more to it than just rejection. All guys are different.
because its a f***ing turkey shoot, guys don't want to work if there is an easy girl that's all over them and the girl they really want is waiting for them to make the move and its a lot harder.
because a girl will label a guy a creeper for trying lol
Rejection.
Besides, why are girls STILL so afraid to make any move at all even now?
Coz it's very intimidating! And we're scared of rejection too!
you wanted equality, well now so do we, time to step up.
did you even hear yourself think? why does one person intimidation matter more than someone elses?
Girls intimidation isn't greater or less than guys intimidation asking someone out. You want equality? Take it. Take the risks we males take.
Indeed.
This is mind blowingly interesting! (Never mind my grammar, I make it up as I go along ...). EQUALITY! What a word! I wonder who made that up...Must have been the power hungry coalition of the feminist rights movements...The one's, who valued masculine impact more then female intuition. I mean, I'm not afraid of rejection and yet I'm female. My spell goes something like this "I already have the rejection. All I can win is a 'yes'". Try it. It's powerful!
Yeah, and get sued/slapped/arrested/fired/scorned/kicked in the nuts? Why deal with that when you can find photo-perfection on the web...
Too much socializing on the Internet reduces the opportunities to gain in-person social skills and understanding of girls.
The saying once was, 'Money is the root of all evil".
You could answer most of today's problems simply by saying:
"Feminism is the root of all evil!" ;)
You'll find your answers there.
indeed
The "saying" about money is from scripture but it actually says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. It's a phrase that is commonly misquoted so please don't think I'm attacking you.
I agree that feminism isn't a good thing. It's even more frustrating to see how many people support it without even realizing what it is. (But that happens in many arenas of life.)
Me...I'll gladly be a lady and let my man be a man. I don't want his job and he doesn't want mine. LOL
Can't get laid in Australia either eye?
GREAT question, am off to check out the answers from the guys! It's a bugbear of mine, I don't approach guys, I'm too shy and I guess I'm old-fashioned, I want the guy to make the first move!
people are often afraid to make a move because of the fear of rejection.
they have been feminized and don't even know it... 45+ years of gynocentricism being forced-fed to everyone causes stuff like that...
LOL
Precisely! :)
It's about time someone else also woke up in society to what has ruined it for everyone: Feminism!
DUMB
I am not afraid to make a move.
I am just a picky person.
Most females chase after me that's how I can be a picky person.
nor would it take a hit on my confidence or self esteem.
yes, I am really really afraid for rejection. Nowadays I always feel like a loser who just can't approach girls. its so hard to know if they are interested :(
You think that we men should sstop being scared to ask girls out? I think that you women should learn to stop rejecting the sweet lonely guy whod give up everything for one day with a girl.
if women aren't willing to approach men, then why are you all fighting for "equal" rights...
More shy guys, more single girls! Not a bad thing at all! ))) As for your last question, - no, a first move from a girl is not desperate. Confident girls are sexy, and no, that does'nt automatically means she want only sex.
I'm afraid for reasons that I have conjured up in my head and should really be of no significant concern. Basically, I'm f***ed up.
either their not confident or just ugly women surrounding them
you sound like an expert why don't you tell us what to do exactly.