+1 yIf you read feminist theory, it has always had a tinge of misandry, even if it doesn't outright state it, sometimes--many other times it does. Read some of the popular 2nd wave feminist books. They're teeming with venom and self-superiority.
But who is doing the oppressing of women? Who is the one holding women down? Why do women need empowerment? Because of men. Because of the patriarchy.
Some fundamental beliefs of feminism is that men have oppressed women for thousands of years, that marriage was slavery and oppression, that the "patriarchy" created society in such a way so as to benefit men at the expense of women [all objectively false].
These were the origins of feminist belief. Tell me. What picture does this paint of men? On the same hand, what picture does this paint of women? The only group to remain oppressed for thousands of years, without a whimper? Until the past 100 years?
These feminist beliefs call women weak, dumb, submissive flowers who must be protected and taught, because they're so stupid and easily controlled [shut up woman, let me tell you why you need feminism]; and, these beliefs very much call men naturally evil oppressors.
Feminism has always called or suggested men are "the enemy". Even if it didn't state it outright.
Misandry is the natural progression of these beliefs. It's not that feminism got a bad name because of misandrists. It's that feminism got a bad name, because it creates misandry based on its horrible view on both men and women.05 Reply- +1 y
It states the truth... women were opressed, by men... that doesn't imply hate though...
What did they want to say? That they were opressed by aliens? They didn't have equal rights with men... if that's not opression then what is it?
Misandry is like misogynism, it's hate, but it doesn't need to. have opression as a reason.
It's like saying an anti-racism movement is about hate toward white people... - +1 y
Ahh, I see. Funny thing about the truth. Everyone has a different idea of what it is. I do not believe that men oppressed women, in the West. Men and women had *different* rights, because men and women are *different*.
i. e. If you and I get stuck in a hostage situation, they're going to negotiate for you to be freed, not me. So, do you truly want equality?
Back then, male responsibility was taking care of their families: that meant they needed extra rights. 99% of women didn't care about voting until later on, because they were so busy raising children and keeping the house 12 hours a day, until men invented ways to make housekeeping easier on them.
There was no war for independence. There was "Hey, most of us want these things, but without the same obligations." Then men responded, "Oh. Okay, if most of u want them."
Do you truly believe that one can say, "Our evil oppressors manipulate and use and trick us and keep us down" yet not have any hate? That is a precursor to hate. - +1 y
I disagree. Women were opressed. How do you know they didn't care about voting? They were also not allowed to rule. Religion played a big role on the opression too. Women were viewed as inferior to men.
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Opression was obvious. It wasn't different rights because women were difderent from men, it was because they were viewed as inferior. Women were required to be virgins at marriage, domestic violence was common and they couldn't do anything about it, they were not allowed to have education... and many more...
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Ehh. I'm not going to try to convince you. You're going to have the same opinion, and I'm going to have the same opinion no matter what, so there's no point. I disagree with all of that. Even more, I'd go so far as to say that women had it way better than men in those times.
But, these are tedious conversations. I'm sure you agree.
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+1 yI think feminism got a bad name when women were granted equal rights and privileges but not equal responsibility for those, rights and privileges. This was from the very start.
I have no problem with women having equal rights and privileges so long as their willing to have equal responsibility. That’s yet to happen.
Feminism also got a bad name when women sought to have more privileges and rights than men. This also was the intent from the start.
So feminism always had a bad name.
I do not distinguish between 3rd wave and 1st wave feminism or whatever. The intent was the same from the start. It was never about equality.50 Reply
+1 yWell, yes, that's one reason. It's also because what "feminists" nowadays claim to stand for. They claim to support women, yet support abortion and condemn pro-life or conservative women. They hail women like Madeleine Albright, who is noted for saying there's a special place in hell for women who don't support each other, in reference to those who didn't support Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. Sometimes feminists can be reasonable people, but more often than not, they blindly follow the lies that the feminist movement feeds people today: that women are weak, vulnerable, made victims by the patriarchy, and that only through feminism can they ever hope to free themselves from the oppression they are always to be under. Honestly, feminism is a more oppressive moment than any fictitious "patriarchy" in modern Western countries, since if you condemn modern feminism to a feminist, you're far more likely to get screamed at and called a bigot than anything else.
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+1 yI used to label myself a feminist before I realized how bullshit, and frankly, stupid this western world sees "equality".
Seriously ladies - young girls in other nations are married off at the age of 7, while boys are not. Young girls in other nations aren't allowed to leave the house, while boys are. Young girls in other nations aren't allowed to be educated - because their entire future has been determined for them, and they are to live for and serve the men in their lives. People in the east and west of this world still sexualize virginity, putting an emphasis on intact hymens, and some women are hurt or neglected if they dont meet that requirement. Women in india are outcasted if they become widows. Women in the middle east are victims of acid attacks if they reject a man for marriage. This is what I thought our goal was as feminists. Not "free the nipple" or complaining about mansplaining.72 Reply- +1 y
Definitely women have it worse in other parts of the world but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at our own "back yard", ignoring the injustices taking place in our own part of the world. And, unfortunately, we have a lot more important things to deal with than "free the nipple" (which, I suspect, was a movement started to advertise a movie and something a lot more men - than women - would want. "It's always about guys and boobs!!" Am I right, ladies? :-)) )
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@ConnieS I think, in terms of our "own back yard" the major issue is the unequal pay. Then you have the realities of society teaching girls from a young age that we are vulnerable. A factor that only strengthens rape culture.
All those are problematic. I understand that. But I still wouldn't call myself a feminist here in the US because I know these western female feminists wouldn't do squat for other women abroad. They'll use the "our backyard first" as an excuse, once they get equal pay and all that - the rest of the women that actually need us from other parts of the world will be forgotten and neglected. When I am in the east, I am proud to call myself a feminist. Because it seems the word comes with an entirely different perspective and different objectives in mind.
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+1 y"My opinion is that many of the so called feminists nowadays are actually misandrists and they use feminism to justify their behaviour. Feminism was originally about empowering women, not about hating on men."
You sure that it is only nowadays? And that original feminists were not about hating men, but about empowering women?
Let's hear influental feminists of the past out then:
“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” ~Robin Morgan
“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” ~Andrea Dworkin
“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” ~Susan Brownmiller
“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” ~Sally Miller Gearhart
"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” ~Barbara Jordan
“Compare victims’ reports of rape with women’s reports of sex. They look a lot alike….[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it.” ~Catherine MacKinnon
"As far as I’m concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene." ~Germaine Greer
“The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together…. Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process…. No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children… Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people’s needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all.”
~Linda Gordon
“Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’
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+1 yNo. I think feminism got a bad name because sexism is deeply rooted into our cultural psyche and both men and women are uncomfortable with the level of dismantling power that we fight for. People have hated feminism since the first feminist acts. Its comical when todays anti-feminists think they're special. Same noise, different era. People in general are quite ignorant, along with the fact that they fear the shift in power. Like any other suggestion of changing power (racism, classism/capitalism), it scares the absolute fuck out of people and opposition has very little to do with any minority who actually hate men.
Look at all the mist beloved systems that actively destroy peoples lives an encourage hate and oppression - racism, military state/imperialism, religion, etc. These are beloved and respected and have encouraged and accomplished far more destruction and hatefulness than any random feminist who hates men. Even the feminist who hates men has far better intentions, yet she won't accomplish nearly as much influence nearly as easily. So you can see that being opposed to something (here, feminism) doesn't automatically mean there's any significant, objective basis for that opposition. We have to further analyze to prove that, and this requires a lot more intellectual work.
This is actually how power works in practice. The most effective level of power are systems that maintain themselves. They require and rely on people defending those systems on every level, having internalized the desired and exemplified paradigm since childhood and enacting it on a subconscious level. Power that doesn't accomplish that would be too easy to unravel and therefore ineffective. This is all just power doing what its supposed to do, just like every other expression of power. Feminists know this and are unfazed. We just keep fighting from generation to generation, chipping away at whatever we can because the fight is important to us. But let's be absolutely clear - we have always been hated. This is literally nothing at all new.01 Reply- +1 y
Racism is beloved and respected? Where in the world do you live?
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+1 yThe following is why feminism has a bad name
I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them. Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor
The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process. Linda Gordon
I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig. Andrea Dworkin
Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage. Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW
Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Andrea Dworkin
The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist. Ti-Grace Atkinson
Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear. Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will p.6
When a woman reaches ****** with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression. Sheila Jeffrys
Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated. Catherine MacKinnon
The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men. Sharon Stone
Ninety-five percent of women’s experiences are about being a victim. Or about being an underdog, or having to survive… women didn’t go to Vietnam and blow things up. They are not Rambo. Jodie Foster, quoted in The New York Times Magazine
The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female
And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference. Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime
If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males. Mary Daly
If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them. David Angier
Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience. Catherine Comins14 Reply- +1 y
As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE. Marilyn French
I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it. Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman
Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release. Germaine Greer
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Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence. Judith Levine
Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do. Popular Feminist Graffiti
We are taught, encouraged, moulded by and lulled into accepting a range of false notions about the family. As a source of some of our most profound experiences, it continues to be such an integral part of our emotional lives that it appears beyond criticism. Yet hiding from the truth of family life leaves women and children vulnerable. Canadian Panel on Violence Against Women
I do want to be able to explain to a 9-year-old boy in terms he will understand why I think it’s OK for girls to wear shirts that revel in their superiority over boys. Treena Shapiro
+1 yFeminism got a bad name because of far-right propaganda that has been throwing mud at this movement now for years. I constantly see people online cry about evil, men-hating feminists. In reality, these men-haters are a tiny, insignificant minority. I am a feminist myself and I know plenty of people in real life (men and women) who call themselves feminists and not a single one of them hates men. They are all very kind, peaceful and conciliable people.
Unfortunately however, the far-right has a well-oiled propaganda machine that has brainwashed people into believing all kinds of idiotic bullshit. It the same with refugees for instance. Everyone these days has an opinion on refugees and most of these opinions are very hostile. Supposedly, refugees are violent criminals who refuse to adapt and don't speak a single word of the local language. Interestingly enough, most regular people have never met a single refugee in their entire life, let alone made the effort to properly get to know one.11 Reply- +1 y
Unfortunately, fear is one of the strongest emotions humans have and the alt-right has been playing on this for years.
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+1 yI'm actually scared to call myself a 'feminist' because people then automatically label me as man-hating selfish bitch. Feminism as an ideology is something all can support but I agree there are some women out there who are crazy, man-hating.. they penalize men for things they did ages ago. BUT there are also people who hate feminists who are genuinely doing good for the women in our world, and generalize them into the FEMINAZI category because they cannot handle the fact that they speak up and do not take shit from anyone.
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the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
640 opinions shared on Other topic. Feminism is exactly what it is represented as by the feminazis, radical feminists, misandrists, man-haters, liberals, and etc. Feminism is a mental illness that seems to be spreading like an airborne cancerous-virus broadcasted through the media and implemented by unknowing ignorant useful-idiot underling women. The ease of life in this automated world allows too much free time for the wandering libtard-feminist mind and it mutates into these bizarre ideals that have no foundation and no realistic endgame. Artificial female superiority enforced by the government breeds tremendous contempt with future grave consequences.
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+1 yWAGE GAP MAY EXIST CUZ CALIBER GAP EXIST
Man are usually man enough to understand the problem and try to work on it by working hard (for normal people) and multitasking (to take advantage of their higher IQ).
Woman on the other hand have inherent (Biological) problem of not accepting the fault but they try to make it as society fault that don't pay them equally.
I am not female hater but NOBODY WILL PAY YOU EQUAL FOR ONLY QUARTER OF OUTPUT (work performed on day) and EVERYONE WILL PICK A HUMAN THAT WILL DO DOUBLE IN SAME PRICE without drama of continues sexual harassment and even FORCING OLDER WORKERS TO LEAVE.
If someone hire you work, HE HIRED YOU work not attack the male staff 24/7.21 Reply- +1 y
Society is all about competition and everyone will work hard and smart to give maximum output and boss is businessman, he will try to have maximum efficiency by hiring and get max in low money. If you can't perform without accepting there will be man and God give them pair of eyes to watch and they can by accident SEE YOU WALKING AND LOOK AWAY.
Then its your problem he will try to pay less and gain maximum and expect you to do WHAT he told you to do without drama.
It happens to man to SOME ARE BETTER SOME ARE WORSE and it will happen to you too. Humanity is not born with equal IQ and that's why wage Gap exist cuz SOME PEOPLE (both gender) deserve to be paid higher.
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+1 yNo, feminist got a bad name because in order to be a feminist you have to be a misandrist. Their is literally no other way to be a feminist. You cannot say men raped and beat and enslaved and oppressed women for all of history (provably false by the way as is every claim I've ever heard a feminist make (and they make a LOT of claims)) and then claim that you don't hate men. If your a feminist, you despise men and that's just what it is. that's why they keep attacking men destroying their lives oppressing them and lobbing for ever more rights for women (who already have all the rights) and fewer rights for men (who are fast losing any semblance of human rights).
20 Reply I used to agree totally with you, but then I realized how perfectly things were built before feminism. I do think that some of the causes feminists have taken up we’re okay, but we didn’t need feminism for that. The pilgrims wrote law that said rape was punishable by death. Overall I wish the feminist movement hadn’t existed to begin with. I think that makes me a card carrying member of “the patriarchy” but, whatever. I also don’t think that the government should have enough influence for this to matter at all. We should’ve kept it local. Then you could leave the bullshit behind you.
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But women were treated as property before feminism; they couldn't vote, if they were raped by their husbands it wasn't a crime, etc. The feminist movement started because women weren't treated properly - by the government or society. Laws needed to be changed. Now we just have to hope that men will also treat women fairly. Then we won't need movements, "government interference", etc.
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I hope you understand that what you come with isn't entirely accurate. just like what the American war machine does, politicians, many a cult groups do, it's a agenda behind the front and the really shall be bent to fitt their internal reality bubble. also good thing's was their doing no matter if it was or not.
(just like what the nazi regime did, Mauism and Stalinism was some other one's) - +1 y
@Eva323 Yup, feminists love to leave that fact out. It was the men that passed the law for women to vote. Many everyday women at that time didn't even want the vote and wanted to remain being stay at home mums.
2.7K opinions shared on Other topic. No, I think pushing false information as fact and limiting the value of other people's opinions is what gave feminism a bad name. The wage gap is a myth that was debunked immediately and yet people still bring it up in conversation. The pink tax is possibly the most idiotic concept ever to exist, beaten only perhaps by the flat earth theory. Manspreading, mansplaining, false rape and sexual abuse statistics... all of these things is what has given feminism a bad name.
The sad thing is that for a while it was just feminazis who were to blame and for the most part, people were willing to accept that they didn't represent feminism but now, i mean very level-headed feminists who still spew out all this bogus information and then say that because I'm a man I can't have an opinion, even if what I'm trying to say isn't actually an opinion but rather a fact.10 Reply4.7K opinions shared on Other topic. First and second-wave feminism were legit (though I'm sure there were a handful of crazies in the mix too), but like much in the 60s, the feminist movement got co-opted by Soviet agents (and US sympathizers) who were looking to undermine the US by destroying the family unit, and did so by subversion - teaching women that "men are evil" and that all their problems were because of men.
This might sound insane if you don't know a lot about the Cold War, but there have been at least 3 high-level former-KGB defectors who have discussed this specifically. They note that the KGB only dedicated 15% of their budget towards spying - 85% was spent on subversion, which was seen as a far more powerful way for them to negatively impact the US.
Needless to say, they also heavily infiltrated the education system, particularly in college, where much of 3rd Wave Feminism and Red Stockings come from.10 ReplyMaybe, but I don't think so.
I'm of the "actions speak louder than words" camp. No matter how much you try to dance around it, the truth is simple: no prominent feminist or feminist organization has ever fought for men's rights or women's responsibilities, ever. Yet, they claim to be about equality. Well, true equality is about equal rights and equal responsibilities. As far as feminists are concerned, equality is about women's rights and men's responsibilities. Until they demonstrate an understanding of that and commit to amending their ways, they'll always be selfish, man-hating hypocrites as far as I'm concerned. Fortunately, I'm not alone.212 Reply- +1 y
I'm not trying to start a war, just a conversation. I'm sure most people who know anything about history would agree that in western culture women were not treated as equals to men. Assuming that you agree with this fact, wouldn't you agree that it makes sense, if you are fighting for equality, to make a movement to bring females to the same level as men? If men had more rights does it really make sense to fight for theirs over women who weren't played the same and were not allowed to vote?
by the way, I am not trying to talk about modern feminism here, just the start of the movement. - +1 y
Again, equality is about equal rights AND equal responsibilities. Indeed, men enjoyed more rights than women for centuries. We also had more responsibilities. We no longer have more rights, we still have more responsibilities. If feminists really wanted equality, then part of bringing women to the same level as men, as you put it, should have meant fighting for women to share men's responsibilities same as men's rights; especially in the early days. Imagine how much more smoothly the movement would have been received if they'd demonstrated a true desire true equality.
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Contrary to popular belief, men haven't held a monopoly on rights either. Women have long had certain rights men simply didn't have, and still don't. No Era of feminism has even acknowledged this fact, let alone fought to change it for the sake of equality.
Feminism has a bad rap because it's been selfish, ignorant and sexist from the very beginning. - +1 y
In the US, boys have to register for selective service when women don't. Failure to register completely removes men from access to government entitlements and privileges of any kind, including government subsidized college tuition scholarships and loans. So while girls AUTOMATICALLY get approved for such things (free, unencumbered rights), boys get left behind while being verified. If a boy makes the mistake of failing to register or if there's a mistake in the system, he's going to prison for years and subject to a fine up to a quarter of a million dollars. Girls and women get all those government programs and services free and unencumbered.
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Women rule divorce and family courts. In any given divorce or child custody case, the wife and/or mother gets preferential treatment by the courts. Even if she's a known philanderer, abuser, criminal, addict, or any other typical lowlife, she'll get her way in a divorce and child custody battle. The rare exceptions to very wealthy and well-connected men.
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In most states in the US, women can abandon their children completely free of consequences. Men can't. We have a responsibility to the caretakers of our biological children under any and all circumstances.
In addition, women are permitted to bear and murder as many children as they wish, with impunity. Men can't. If a man hurts or kills a child, he goes to prison. Depending on the state and severity of the crime, he might be castrated. Meanwhile, women can rape, kill, sell, or even give their kids away. Thanks to "my body, my rights" no woman has ever been sterilized in a western nation. Even the monsters who kill their own kids are free to make more victims for themselves. - +1 y
Of the 10 diseases, disorders and infections that kill women most often, 9 kill men at higher rates than women. Yet somehow women's health issues garner more than double in awareness campaigns, and 4 times as much money in research of their issues and development of treatment options.
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Need I really go on?
I suspect you checked out long ago, and are either ignoring or attempting to marginalize these facts with typical feminist BS. All of this information is readily available through every imaginable media resource. If you were unaware, you've likely chosen ignorance because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. - +1 y
First of all... I just have a life out side of this website, so on Thanksgiving, yes I have better things to do.
2nd, I don't currently associate myself with the feminist movement, because I believe that a lot of what they are doing is not in the interests of equality.
3rd, you didn't actually answer my question... you just posted a bunch of rubbish news that's floating around on reddit... Yes that stuff sometimes happens, but it's very uncommon.
4th, why you gotta be so rude?
504 opinions shared on Other topic. Try starting a social revolution by calling yourself a "misandrist" and see how far that gets. It doesn't even sound appealing before knowing what it actually means.
Yes, the vast majority of the SJWs campaigning as a "feminist" are doing more harm than good in the name of rights, and their actions are probably going to permanently taint the word "feminism."
It isn't about equality anymore- that's been the norm at least in the United States for quite some time. Now it's just about special treatment, and dividing/weakening the population through unrest.00 ReplyWell, I have no problem with a girl saying to other girls, "Girls we can fucking do this. Lets do it" as long as what they're doing isn't like.. hating on men or illegal shit of course. But encouraging women to be good people or something like that, I don't mind at all. And honestly, yeah. I didn't know about that word until now, I rather start using that word because bitches like Anita Sarkeesian don't even deserve to be a part of the group that paved the way for Women's rights 50 years ago. I rather start loving real feminists like Christina Hoff Summers. I respect and admire that woman.
00 ReplyThere is no law who gets to call themselves a feminist.
My main issue is that modern feminism as a whole tends to disregard men (unless it suits their own agenda, like gender roles), while simultaneously insisting they're all about equality.
I don't buy it!60 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yFeminism got a bad name due to corruption within its own movement that feminist themselves went along with and didn't try fighting against. If feminists would speak up and out against misandrists in their movement and loudly maybe feminism could have saved itself. Though all I see is feminists calling men misogynists for disagreeing with misandrists on some things or for calling themselves egalitarians over feminists.
Feminism is basically misandrism in many cases now a days but they can't call their movement misandrism because then they'll lose all their government funding and whatever platform they have for speaking,10 Reply
+1 yI agree with you on that part. I find it very hard to get behind the feminist movement and the idea's they push because when I look at the organization I see a lot of people acting as misandrists towards others.
I'd personally like to live in a world where there is a level of fairness between both men and woman. Where the problems on both sides of the playing field are addressed and taken care of rather then one side being dominant in the game.
Which is mainly why I follow egalitarianism. Not feminism.11 Reply- +1 y
tbh i think feminism is that deffinition you just said...
2.1K opinions shared on Other topic. Except the problem is that those misandrists are today's feminists.
They're the one leading the movement, saying what it should do, against who, where to go, what to say...
They're the one in charge. Feminism didn't get a bad name because of them. They changed it to be what they wanted to. The other feminists are like old veterans remembering what it was in their time, back then. Which it's not today.
If you want to give it a good name, well take over it and boot those bitches out. I've heard they're not real feminists, they're just a minority. Well then where are the others? The "true" feminists? What are they waiting for to clean feminism from them?
That is, if there are feminists wanting to clean the movement, and who don't agree with the hysterical bitches. Because for now, the later are pretty free to do whatever they want and no one tries to stop them.10 Reply
+1 yYes, and I've mentioned this so many times before. The only true forms of Feminism were the First, and Second Wave.
Third-Wave "Feminism" is basically a group of jealous white women who want to cherry-pick what rights they want. It's a complete joke, and even many women make fun of it.30 ReplyAbsolutely. But I think their hatred of men stems from a place of self hatred. They dont feel pretty, skinny or smart enough for society's high standards and instead of working through their feelings and rejecting that standard they get angry and blame others for their inner turmoil
20 ReplyYes and no. Yes because feminism definitely includes some women who are for equality in every way, but no because the name itself "feminism " does not include both gender, so how can that be equality? Being an egalitarian is what describes best how I feel.
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I think a lot of women just want to be treated fairly. But because the inequality is so great, sometimes, the "scales" have to be tipped so much the other way just for women to be treated as equally/fairly as men usually are - that's why feminism doesn't include men. Men usually don't have to worry about being treated unjustly/unfairly.
I think the definition of egalitarian (relating to or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities) is what feminists (generally speaking) want and that's why "feminism" was born.
Personally, I don't think men and women are equal. I think (as it says in the book by Josette Sona: "Are Women the Stronger Sex") women are generally "superior" to men (sorry, guys) and a lot of men are threatened by and jealous of women and want to "keep them down".
And women are getting tired of being treated like second-class citizens - and good for them. ;) - +1 y
@ConnieS Oh my God,
there is nothing in name of science that treats woman as equal to man, let alone superior in any respect. Woman is a weak gender "it always was and always will" be but that don't mean. You should beat them or don't give them equal rights.
I would like to support your claim with science cuz if you go for history. MAN ARE USUALLY GREATEST GENERALS and MAN WON NOBLE PRIZE IN SCIENCE. The modern word is curiosity of Man and its science and Yes cooking bread don't count. If we can look at any thing in entire world there will always be MAN on top and I would love to see your science claim. - +1 y
you bring it on
+1 yIt didn't get a bad name; so much as it never had a good name to begin with. It didn't need misandrists and Marxists to infiltrate it in order to poison it. It was toxic from the start. It's accomplished nothing wholly positive. Actual progression has not come from feminism but from the advancement of technology which has lifted the burden of women's biological constraints (though feminism takes credit for the good things it had nothing to do with).
10 Reply2.7K opinions shared on Other topic. I have found there to be very little total misandry within feminism. It has always been the trope of the status quo to call all feminism misandry, and all righteous indignation or anger as hate. Women are deservedly angry about ways in which the patriarchy continues to keep women in a second class status. We aren't obligated to be nice about it, or sit quietly waiting to be heard.
Feminism "got a bad name" the moment a woman first asserted that she wasn't a doormat.14 Reply- +1 y
If we live in a patriarchy designed to keep women down, it should be fired immediately because it's doing a terrible job.
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I can accept the man can work their way around feminism and its actually done more Bad then good. We don't have to worry about dumping a G. f "just allow yourself to be caught cheating" and She will just claim power and leave you and you can happily move in next wife.
US government can only make you pay the 50% of your wealth to woman, if you own it in US. You can simply take loan on the house and keep it in another BANK Overseas and when bitch comes to collect allow bank to declare you bankrupt and She won't get penny out of your pocket.
We are equal then why female gain 50% of your property after divorce by claiming to be weak. I think new rule should be only to give 50% wealth if you have kids and wealth should go to your kids account not mother. - +1 y
Oh, that's simple to answer. You both agreed to share all assets and debts jointly when you got married - if you live in a community property state. If you didn't know that when you got married, that's on you for not doing your homework, and not getting a prenup. If you have chosen to marry a woman who makes less or no money, that's on you too. The laws aren't written to favor either gender, but rather to ensure the less economically advantaged partner doesn't get left destitute. That just tends to be the woman, partly because of the remaining gender pay gap. But most American divorces do not generally end with someone paying alimony anymore because in most marriages both partners work and can support themselves individually.
+1 yMost definitely. It's more of a branding problem that's come with some of the goals of the Third Wave and especially with the integration of intersectionality, which may be the most divisive philosophy of social science ever when applied to it's logical end.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yI bet most here don't know where feminism came from or how it got started. It got its start from a banker and his classmate in order to destabilize and cut the population which it has done exactly that, that's why the system setup against men and men aren't part of the family unit anymore. Non coincidentally that's how the age of consent came along too. The age of consent laws aren't Christina laws at all, you won't find one reference to age consent laws anywhere in the Christian bible. They are feminist eugenicist driven laws in order to curve and control the population. It's working very well too because population is disappearing especially among whites.
10 ReplyYes, The main femmist you see are the femmist Nazi on tv in the street protesting and it gives femmist and bad name,
It make people think these women are crazy why would we listain to them. Honestly I think there need to be a clean up of the Femmist movement and get the radicals out of it, and go back to the 1960 versions of femmisism and not this new 3rd wave10 ReplyFinally, a girl who understands 😘
Yup. Feminism = Misandry. Same goes for the definition of democrats and liberals. Same groups trying to cover up their real identity as misandristic groups. I wish there was a way ordinary people can get this word to go viral.010 Reply- +1 y
That’s not what she said...
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It was that feminism is not the same thing yet some call it “feminism.”
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Feminism is about empowering women and protecting ourselves, not hating members of your gender.
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I don’t hate men yet I consider myself a feminist. I understand that you associate those extremists with the entire movement, but that doesn’t mean all feminists think that way.
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In some ways, perhaps. But I’m more so a feminist.
+1 yWell wanting equality between men and women shouldn't be a reason to hate men according to me. Hating men and saying you're feminist is in my opinion like being islamist and telling the world you're Muslim (sorry about the topic, I'm not trying to open a hatred debate towards Muslim or anything)
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+1 yAbsolutely. Then again those misandrists are actually in the minority and I think as a society we shouldn’t be stupidly blinded by them just because they scream the loudest.
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We have to keep in mind that misogynistic opportunists will always try to use this small group of misandrists who appropriate the feminist notion for their alterior agenda to build an oppositional force toward the entire feminist movement and propagate their hostilities towards the empowerment of women.
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As a Muslim, "Islamic" terrorists are a tiny minority. Muslim armies are actively fighting against them. Christian and Jewish extremists are also a minority. Again, both group reject them. Feminists are the only ideological group not standing against their extremists and terrorists. Even MRAs stand against extremist MRAs.
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@shephardjhon that’s bullshit and you know it. I’m not surprised you’re only looking for things to just want to see though.
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*you just
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Ok, show me an example of feminists excommunicating another feminist, and telling her she is no longer a feminist, because she has gone too far!
That shit only happens when a person is no longer palatable. Women like Lena Dunham were higb profile feminist activists, and were routinely expressing misandry, but nobody cared in the feminist communit. Then it turned out she sexually abused her little sister... and everyone lost her mind. It. didn't matter that she was a blatant manhater before though.
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@Benedek38 I am the example actually but you’re just gonna keep hating so I’m not gonna bother even arguing
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And what are you? Nothing. A drop in the ocean. You have no power within the feminist movement. If you were a manhater, that wouldn't change anything either.
Little people do little things, and they matter very little, too. Come back when yoi have an example of a feminist who is actually influential dropping other feminists just because they were misandrists, and not because they were called out on it. - +1 y
@Benedek38 Umm, come back when you have an example of an MGTOW who isn't a misandrist or incel how bout dattttttt
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@princessfromjupiter "come back when you have an example of an MGTOW who isn't a misandrist or incel" Glad you mentioned that because, A Voice for Men is that AND it is a big community of MRAs. Also Erin Pizzey who built the first women's shelters but was thrown out of feminist movement and threatened when she advocated making men's shelters. Also Christina Hoff Sommers whose books feminists burned. by the way, also a former feminist. Even the founder of A Voice for Men was a feminist and turned MRA. Also the Honey Badgers, a group of female MRAs who have been thrown out of conferences by feminists. None of these people are "incels" or misogynists, all are former feminists and current MRAs.
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@shephardjhon oh so you do have all the feminist examples after all
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@shephardjhon 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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@princessfromjupiter Those are FORMER feminists. They were kicked out and harassed by feminists. Its like naming Ayan Hisri Ali or Salman Rushdie as an examples of good Muslims.
+1 yI'm an anti feminist and don't believe in women's rights the way they are these days...
I prefer the 50's lifestyle but add to it that women have the choice to work if they want to but a man is a man and a woman is a woman...511 Reply- +1 y
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@lilaqua i agree that there is no such thing as a marital rape because he's her husband, it's his right to make love with her anytime he wants unless there was some harsh reasons then no...
But in general a wife would love that her husband always make love to her but it's not by force cause it will make him like an animal...
About the beating part, nope i don't encourage it at all because a wife needs her husband to take care of her and protect her, there can be arguments sometimes and shouting but it's very hard to hurt her cause hurting her means hurting himself since they are married, she became a part of him...
What i meant from the 50's are the positive parts and not the negative parts that your showing, such as being a housewife and making her man as a 1st priority and love him from all her heart...
By the way i never knew that beating a woman in the past was legal ans encouraged, that's weird 🤔 - +1 y
@lilaqua yes i don't believe in marital rape because it's weird for a husband to rape his wife since she's his wife, if she have harsh reasons to say no, she will surely make it up later for him, why would he hurt her and force for sex, he's her to keep her dignity and not to make her feel afraid or unsafe...
Rape is committed by a boyriend or strangers not by a husband and if a husband did something like that to his wife while she had harsh reasons to say no then you shouldn't consider him a husband and at this point it's rape...
Men can become violent but a man who loves his wife whom she gave her life for him will be very hard on him to hurt her or beat her, like i said because she's his wife, hurting her means hurting himself...
Also about if i marry or not, it's none od ypur business, you mind your own business 😒 - +1 y
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+1 yI just think it's an incredibly flawed ideology. And it's largely misunderstood.
Not saying women shouldn't have rights fyi. Saying feminism is simply that "women are equal" is an oversimplification and a misunderstanding of the feminist exposition, which is an assortment of varying ideas. Which is why you find so much conflict, contention and disharmony.00 Reply- 380 opinions shared on Other topic.
+1 y60+ years of Kill all men, men are rapist, women do not need men, bull crap has taken its toll. Men are turning their backs on you. You hav ebeen screaming at men to leave you alone, so okay, we will.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yYes, feminism has a bad name and is so politically charged with misandry that it needs to be changed to something else.
The problem is the radicals have been making their way into the mainstream. They used to be limited to college campuses but now you see them influencing mass media, public education, entertainment and local politics.
I support equal rights, don't get me wrong. But these women need to quit playing the victim card. Victimization might sometimes buy you sympathy but never true respect.
The problem I have with feminism is it tends to throw ALL men under the bus. Most of us are not rapists, pigs, misogynists, etc. But when you start call an otherwise decent guy that you are going to push him in the opposite direction.00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yNo. I think feminism got a bad name from a certain breed of man shrieking constantly about how unfair it is that we expect to be treated like people and that they no longer have the advantages they once used to.
Same kind of man who sits down and cries about how unfair affirmative action is, tbh.110 Reply- +1 y
if it wasn't men you wouldn't even have made it to this day , dont be a feminazi.
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@Malik00 I agree. They are both worthless POS kind of people.
Opinion Owner+1 ylol, and there's the shrieking now.
Opinion Owner+1 ylol, and now we're just making shit up.
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@Malik00 don't argue with some women , there is no point of it , just send her heart emojis and make her happy.
True. It's all about equality between men and women because we're all human, not about killing all men and making a new planet full of women. It's about letting women reach higher levels of society not about how to free your nipples on the street and complaining why men get horny if they see you. Feminists now a day are idiots not feminists
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+1 yYes!! It's quite embarrasing for me when I get to talk to such women. They actually don't want want to be treated as equals, they want a special treatment and only talk about feminism when it's convenient.
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+1 yActually feminism is supposed to be misandry and masculism or chauvinism is misogyny. What is their point of calling themselves a feminist? Are they saying women are superior to men? We don't claim men are superior to women nowadays so there's no need for you to call yourself a feminist.
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Feminism has a lot of meaning. Feminist that hates men, feminist that wants equality that benefits them, feminist that also advocate for men's rights, etc. But the dictionary still remains truthful. Advocacy of women's rights so if you advocate more, it's an indirect misandry since mens issues aren't address.
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They all just want feminism what they want it to be destroying the ideology. It's simple if you don't hate men, don't call yourself a feminist.
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It was a justified misandry since men were oppressors back then
+1 yYeah. In a way you're completely right. But generally this behaviour comes from female feminist who thinks that all male prove themself as superior and thinks women are not at their level, they're weak. But there are males who are also feminist, so I don't think all men have the same old patriarchal mindset. World is changing, I guess for me it's changing
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+1 yI think a big part of the controversy is that feminism doesn't mean just one thing. Different people mean very different things by the word "feminism". I've heard a lot of people criticize feminism, but when I ask them why they describe something totally different than the feminism some of my female friends believe in.
10 ReplyYes and nowadays it's not just a bad name. They grew unchecked and now many of the members of Feminism are misandristic.
This should be an example to everyone, if you make a movement make an effort to stop people from saying they are from your group but doing another thing.00 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yNo, because feminism = misandry. Its literally the same thing. The original first wave feminism ran its course, women are not only equal nowadays, but are far more benefited in the western society than men are. Yet feminism is now raging more than ever.
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Thank you. Well said
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+1 yno, its cause men would find any reason they can to discredit feminism and what women are trying to achieve to change society when its mistreating women
men haters are not majority; most men just like the way things were before18 Reply- +1 y
It's not just man hating ma'am. A lot of people have valid reasons for not agreeing with the movement.
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@ThatItalianBastard a lot of people have their own ideas what feminism is
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... well no. Not really.
I thought the core goal of feminism was to give equal rights to men and woman. - +1 y
@ThatItalianBastard you men make a mistake thinking its all about rights
rights like when they gave rights to black people but still treat them unfair
giving rights is just a first step, everything else is harder, like the change of social rules that are very sexsist
Also so many men are fictionaly threatened by feminism. In what way feminism has ever personaly attacked you? If only verbaly with men haters. But have it ever concered you particual life and the way you live? So your all worries are some hypotetical fears that women will rule just cause they are trying to change society to not be sexsist. I see no reason to oppose so much to feminism, your fear is irrational. You are jost stopping some moovment that want to help women issues and even consequently change it on better for men and sexsism concerning them too. - +1 y
Okay first. Don't generalize all men because not all men think the way I do. I am as much of an individual as you are.
Second. Rights by there nature change social rule. They change the structure of how a culture functions underneath new law towards specific people. To state that it is not all about rights is a falacy.
Third. "fictionally threatened" means that I am not threatened, that my threatened feelings are made up. If you're gonna insult me at least put some thought into it.
Forth. I am not threatened by the feminist movement. Or the members of it, hence why I am talking to you. Because I want to create solutions to the equal rights conversation without muffling the voice of either side. - +1 y
Fifth. As a male sexual assault victim who has been baraded by feminists stating that I was not taken advantage of, but that I was making everything about my assault claims up only for attention and to tarnish the movement so much so that I have been threatened to stay silent has a great CONCERN with the PARTICULAR life that I live, and to plead ignorance about countless others that have their lives taken advantage of by woman and are powerless to stop them because the law says otherwise is either stupid on your part if it is accidental. Or fucking despicable if it is intentional.
Six. If I help woman's rights while being and egalitarian, I am still helping the movement out. Me doing my shit my way doesn't stop you from what you're doing. - +1 y
Seven. Shifting the scale to make it better for woman does not fix the disease feminism is trying to cure. It spreads the problem to the other half of the population. And makes it so that woman are superior over men. Which is fucking hypocritical of what the original idea of feminism is supposed to be about.
Eight. To answer your original post. I don't need to find a reason to discredit feminism. People like you do it for me.
+1 yYeah. It's not about equality anymore it's about special treatment, victim status and a weapon to beat men over the head with for personal advancement.
40 ReplyMisandry and very smarmy "you go girl" bullshit is a huge part of why feminism has fallen out of favor with so many people. It's a noble cause but it's really gotten out of hand. This kavanaugh mess in the USA was the beginning of the end for SJWs and feminism. There's a good chance the Republicans will get majority vote during the mid-terms.
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+1 yNo, it has ALWAYS been about hating and envying men. Read what feminazis from 50+ years ago had to say, it's pretty obvious that it's always been a hate movement.
20 Reply 2.1K opinions shared on Other topic. Yes without a doubt, its been co-opted by marxist tribal ideology where its girls above all. Instead it should be a movement thst aids women in there life once they had equal rights rather then bringing men down.
00 ReplyNo, feminism has intrinsically turned misandrist because before women were unequal by law, now they're equal, so the only thing they're really trying to change is men's treatment of women, which implies men are treating them poorly.
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some men do, don't they?
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what I meant is feminism has a role, when concerning the men that do mistreat women.
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and I never said some women didn't treat men badly.
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ok. so you mean it is ok and should be accepted for people to mistreat people and do nothing about it.
Cool. But you know, some people don't want just to resign like yourself... - +1 y
I am not saying that either... but in some cases some men are. Capiche? OK. ugh
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I dont think feminism blames all men. But I see you see it that way...
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+1 yNo, it's inherent, I'm afraid. "Feminism" is about striving for equality, yes, but ONLY by empowering women. That's sexist. Indeed, the very word makes it obvious that's it's not about equality, but about supporting women.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWell until you make an official authority on feminism there's going to be no real definition and anyone can call themselves feminist and just because you think you're "the good ones" doesn't mean you actually are. Everyone thinks they are one of "the good ones."
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+1 yYES! I actually posted a question about this a while back. I wish thatpeople were able to see the difference!
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+1 yI'm not a feminist per se and dont really see the need in today's western society but to answer your question I think feminism may have gotten a bad name from misandrists stating feminists hate men.
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+1 yMen complain about being called rapists because of a few jerks, followed by the fact that some Feminazis ruined Feminism so we should rather call ourselves Egalitarian.
I am done with this world.00 Reply 444 opinions shared on Other topic. I think it's got more to do with the public appropriating academia and misconstruing it. I honestly think feminism in developed countries should stay within those bounds for the most part.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yFeminism from the very beginning was bad, instead of peaceful protests, they were murdering people who didn't agree with them, they bombed buildings and set people on fire. They also shamed young boys into the arm by the way of the white feather campaign.
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+1 yThere is definitely a branch of Misandrists alright but I wouldn't tar whole lot with same brush it would be like saying all concerned men about this are purely misogynistic
00 ReplyMaybe they were feminists before but were hurt by so many men that they developed into "men-hating" feminists.
10 Reply6.3K opinions shared on Other topic. Yes. Female misandrists in that "blame the penis" mindset are what have primarily caused the backlash.
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+1 yFeminism lost it's meaning in the u. s. and a few other countries due to people ruining it's reputation
10 Reply1.8K opinions shared on Other topic. If you were for equality, you'd call yourself an egalitarian.
Feminists are just concerning themselves with female supremacy and the subjugation of men.31 Reply- +1 y
Or not label myself at all but sure
703 opinions shared on Other topic. It definitely has a negative association now. But I believe in Western society women have more power then men. If feminists are do keen they should focus on certain countries where women are the under belly.
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