Quite personally i see it as true. Every time i have seen a woman complain about no good men, its either a woman who has multiple children with multiple fathers... which is something i have no respect for. Or Career women who won't accept a hard working man who just happens to make less than her.
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I love how some women who commented actually think that the modern woman has multiple children with multiple fathers, and carries debt and std's. No thats not a modern woman. Thats a thot.
Also i am not making blanket statements about all women, just the ones that complain that there are no good men. I love how some of the responses willfully read my pole and only saw what they wanted to see.
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Looks like the votes are in. Overwhelmingly showing it as true.. Thanks every one.
True or false, The women that complain that there are no good men out there, are the ones who bring absolutely nothing to the relationship table?
Absolutely FALSE! The same can be said for men who also ask. Today's dating world is trashy, scandalous, immoral, atrocious, and the whole list goes on and on and ON. There are plenty of people who are like me or similar who struggle because dating is now about sex, lust, and materialistic things. The quote above about women bringing intangible things IS what a woman is supposed to bring to the table she cannot bring anything else until she is married. That's the whole point of having a wife for a man. But men just want sex today. They hardly want children or none at all and then complain about the government butting in. And we all know that is one of the least likely reasons. And the proof can be said through observation with guys wanting premarital sex, still lusting after other women, and walk away with no price to pay.
No, it is not an unbalance exchange. It has been this way since Adam and Eve, and it still applies today. We just have to be more mindful, careful, and pickier in who we choose now. Feminism surely didn't help at all.
2ndly, career women overall work to be able to survive. Men today don't want to really be the provider or act too controlling instead of leading. It has 0 to do with the amount of money other men make. But that oftentimes they're too COMFORTABLE where they're at. Don't want to go back to college, start college if they haven't, or even trade school. they have no CAREER. Just a job. And we now in 2020 and behind need men of a career more than anything. Sure, we know there are some lazy women out there, and sadly that is the fault of the parents if so, or simply the girl herself. But the problem is simply this. IF the guys don't want a career, and the girls don't want to learn the traditional basic things, then both parties are at fault. And whoever made that quote needs to really look at themselves. And I can use myself as a perfect example:
1. If I get my own car, which I expect once I'm stable, why do I need a man for that? 2. When I graduate from college with my own career, why do I need a man for provisions now? 3. My own apartment or home, why do I NOW need a man for that?
So to those complaining about a career woman, this woman that woman, then they NEED to look at themselves! The same for a woman who complains about such guys who lack, look at yourselves. Because that's exactly what I did. And I realize that I was deserving of better and let dating alone even though I never once did. I grew up with nothing yet I get nothing. I learn to do on my own, all of a sudden I think I'm better than somebody. I don't do, I'm lazy. It's damn if you do, damn if you don't. I just think a lot of men are just asking for more than they can really give anyway yet forgetting most of us needs to be married to have sex, children, etc. That's not happening yet we risk unwanted pregnancies, disease, and so-called mental issues? Whoever came up with that drivel needs to back to mama. If men kept the godly values of keeping sex in marriage ONLY. Not lusting after women, etc, none of this would happen. REGARDLESS if feminism happened. Feminism is only a small part of the problem. I'm a Christian and I should know. I have spoken to so many women who had those problems. And the issues we're no different than any other woman or little girl. The men have taken them for granted.
The wise ones wised up from those mistakes that they know they made. Others like myself and friends and a few family members never ASKED to get treated poorly and we still do.
Asker, I think you know what is being said. If you treat women with common decency, most women would being as you called them. They are still women at the end of the day. And then when women in general call you men, dogs, don't complain about being called one. It's as simple as that. This has nothing to do with those who have multiple children or STDs. This is everything to do about how you are referring to women as a whole.
Feminism is a huge factor in the way women act in the west. Feminism teaches women to be selfish. Everything is supposed to be for herself and doing anything for her man is degrading and internalized misogyny. Feminism in the west is a complete joke now. It’s gotten to the point where they think air conditioning is sexist.
God has called men to be the head of the household. He has called you to be leaders and you choose to forsake that Birthright for measly late night of pleasure. First of all before there was ever such thing as feminism who were the one that has raped, plundered, and even Rob nations of people? Feminism wind be having so much power if any of you men would have tooken up your Birthright as men in the first place. No balls. You emasculated yourselves, strip yourself of your manhood oh, and you didn't want to talk about it's feminism? Feminism as I said before is only part of the problem. Have nothing to do with teaching a woman being selfish and I don't even agree with feminism. As a Christian woman I have been born with Traditional Values and to be expecting a man to do his duty. And I have yet to even seen one but very few. If you men weren't chasing women for those things, we wouldn't be having this issue. Not godly men at all.
No women act this way, because they're tired of getting beat down, control, and everything else. No female I don't care if you are Buddhist, new Ager, Pagan, Etc wants to be treated that way. We are not your sex toys, we're not made for your pleasure, we're not your slaves, we're human beings too. I have expected more of you since my childhood and all I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses. If any of my old time grandfather's my family would have seen this before they passed away they would have been ashamed of a lot of you. No, a lot of women complain about the not enough good men because many of us are good women's and we have kept our virginities, not messed around with men, have done all that we can, and we still get crapped on. While the rest of you are either alcoholics, drug addicts, porn addicted, and a host of list, and yet we cannot complain? Many of you do not even want to get married at eighteen. So many of you wouldn't even dare get married at all. You force us to have sex with you before marriage, bare your children, and then want abortion. Yet blame a woman for not being on birth control. A woman should not have to have sex before marriage just to prove her worth to you. And then call her a whore. Then if we marry elsewhere out of the country, you swear other men are taken away your women. And we're not even yours to begin with. So honestly, a lot of you can't say nothing. You don't want marriage young, yet blame the girls for sleeping around young. Makes no sense to me. Funny how I'm a virgin yet not much virgin men complaining about women just like me (though not exactly me) complain about good men. That's what we mean. We meet the standard you can't meet for yourselves. We know hypocrites when we see one.
@btbc92 I agree that men emasculated themselves in the west for sure. But I’m saying Feminism did poison young women’s minds. Feminism packed an absolutely massive punch in the emasculation of men and poisoning the minds of many young women. Obviously besides basic human rights and what not, the main thing I support in feminism is calling out the bad men that take advantage of women in ways it’s hard for the women speak up. I completely support feminism in that aspect. But it’s being taught literally everywhere now and is only getting more and more extreme. It’s to the point where disagreeing with a woman makes you an incel and a mysogynist.
Feminism most definitely teaches women to be selfish. Girl power. Wear makeup for you. You first. Weight loss for you. Cool for you. Clean for you. Money for you. Etc. YES, these are definitely for herself. BUT they are promoting it in a way to be selfish, and not do anything for a man. Always do things for yourself.
In the west it’s completely fine to disrespect men, but women deman respect no questions asked. This is the beautiful work of feminism. They gassed up a lot of women in thinking they’re superior to males. Doing something nice for your husband is heavily looked down upon now. They make her out to look like she’s being oppressed.
Other nations have respect for men. In no way does respect mean bowing down to men. Respect as in his wife respects him as he should respect his wife. Some places the women gets no respect. Those places need feminism and I’m in full support for that.
Now they think they’re so superior here in the west that they’re now criticizing masculinity. Coming up with words like toxic masculinity and what not. All I know is yes men in the west emasculated themself for sure, but feminism at the same time poisoned the mind of many young women. Teaching everyone to respect one another regardless of gender should be priority, not coming out with feminist superiority.
@btbc92 There is definitely lots of irresponsible men yes, but getting married at 18 is really young. A lot of guys or girls dont want to get married that young. Theyre barely adults. Also if you’re American what state are you from?
It's so funny yet it is so sad. You giving yourselves up vile affections and yet you ask for women. You know what God don't answer such people's prayers? Those of you who say you want good women? I now see why. You have yet given up your love of the flesh yet you ask Godly women. All it takes is for one to turn their heart to the things of God, and be cleansed of it, and I am certain God will fulfill the desires of their heart. But none of you wants that without much sacrifice. I now await a day when he reveals his spender and shows the darkness in your hearts. You will either have no choice to acknowledge the light or be consumed by it. Your choice. Think twice when you want to talk about feminism when it is you people who allowed to give ear to the devil. So naturally do women will hear from the deciever. He gives half truths for a reason. Because something are proven true. And that is often brought to Lord in the courts of Heaven because you have been made as the accused.
Feminism from what I have seen hasn't poison young women's Minds it is you people who are poison the minds of women. All satan did was take your error whispered in someone's ear and if it came to fruitations. We don't need feminism for basic human rights it's already been given to us through the power of the Lord, most high. Men have lost their way, and through the arrogance, allowed Satan to come through. This has nothing to do with makeup, or weight loss, or money. But that we have called and cried out for men to do what he says and promised. And we have not been given what was promised.
No. It didn't gas up our heads. It only reveal to us the send for the of what men have done. So now the majority of women felt the need that it was time to take away that power. That was their agenda. The truth has nothing to do with doing something nice for your husband but about picking the right kind of person to be a husband. And that becomes our error. If we do so by not fully respecting ourselves and saying no to poor habits and suitors. Getting married at 18 is not young for the sake of being young. If one desires to have sex at such a young age of 13 Dave is no excuse. Because the moment you have sex, you already created a covenant. Therefore you're having sex illegally in the eyes of God. And you are already adults. The moment you entered into puberty you are an adult. There's no such thing as a teenager. A teenager is a modern concept. And getting married is about learning and growing with each other. I am from PA. But me being from whatever state I from is irrelevant. What is relevant is having wisdom and knowledge of the things of the Lord instead of having the knowledge of the world that already failed you.
No this is it a irresponsibility of the world. Is never fun to disrespect men, and for what I am seeing are the places in the world do not respect me either. Just different cultures, different Traditions, different expectations. They don't need feminism they need the Lord. there is most certainly such thing as toxic masculinity. When you're shaming other men and boast in yourself and arrogance that's toxic. When your cat calling women and you're lusting after them, that's toxic. When you don't learn to control your anger let alone hold back your tongue and you using profanity as if you don't even have good vocabulary. That's toxic. When you have no respect for a woman's feelings, that's toxic. When you act like you are above a woman intellectually oh, and you put a woman down because she has knowledge of things that you don't, that is also toxic. So that is sadly a few things many feminists do get right. And I think that's what many do you find embarrassing.
There are some really good compelling arguments depending on who you listen to. But a lot of them that act like backward heathens of course you don't pay attention to that. Would you pay attention to those who are pointing out things that made them become feminists in the first place. And a lot of them are just hurt, broken women with no nozzle what to do, no man to be her knight or protector. Many now saying that a woman don't need a man's protection. And when words like this continue to get force-fed to us, you're only feeding the darkness. A woman after a while is going to fully give up on men the same way a lot of men are going to give up on women and we're all going to be officially replaceable. With more access to jobs and education for us, and sex toys and robots being invented for men. And IVF available to us as well as soon is cloning. It is only a matter of time where we don't need each other for even basic things anymore. VR is already gaining ground. And now sex will be absolute with other humans. So a lot of you really need to seriously think about that. You pick pull women like many of us pick for men, everybody reaps what they sow.
@btbc92 I asked what state because certain places have more religious people with traditional values. And if you were in those states then it would be easier for you to find a guy with the same values you have.
Now as for those guys who treat women bad yes they’re exuding toxic behavior. I don’t believe that’s toxic masculinity. Those people are just toxic people. There are many men from machismo cultures who don’t disrespect women like that but are masculine. So I wouldn’t say that’s toxic masculinity. There people with toxic behaviors coming from both genders. It all has to do with the person at the end of the day. Culture is one of the main factors in these mentalities but I don’t think it’s fair to call masculinity toxic. Just like femininity, I don’t think either are toxic. People can behave toxically.
And this is why you men fail. Religion and tradition have nothing to do with the standards of how you will call to live in this life. No state or country have anything to do with it. Not true at all. It's all human beings and man on what to live by those standards we would not be in this mess. I'm sorry it's not about what you believe what about what it actually is. It is sin. Machismo is no is actually not the way how you're supposed to behaved. That's ignorant and that's arrogant. There was also toxic femininity. It doesn't stop there. Such as using men as slaves and thinking that she's a goddess when she's human that stinks no different than any human being. As long as you have that mindset that the things of God a religious, a met, and traditional you will forever have problems with the things in your lives. And when you end up leaving this Earth and you have to meet your maker, you have to answer for those sins no different than we all do. It doesn't change.
@btbc92 ok, so what you’re saying is a rich country’s problem. There are still many people in the world who have no idea about anything. No cellphone, no running water, shoes, clothing, transportation etc. as of right now these issues we have with advanced technologies are only a first world problem.
This has nothing to do with the rich or the poor. It has to do with being taught of the things of God so that we all made live prosperously in His blessings. No. Has nothing to do with first world or third world problem. It is the planet of the earth problem. You can have nothing, or have everything. If you are not being taught of his ways you will fail.
The whole planet is suffering. For every nation of people has forsaken his ways. Even old Jerusalem isn't of the same Jerusalem he had created. And have once again became a harlot. Worshipping other idols once again. Every nation has an idol propped up and have mocked God. And we're all paying for it big time. With the Innocents now born into this world of suffering. This is why Generation Z is even more restless and depressed than even my generation. And so many of you are blind to see this. There was a good reason why he says my people perish for the lack of knowledge. The world perish for the lack of his knowledge. If you can't even acknowledge that, or those words spoken, I pity you. And the generations that may come out to your bloodline.
So either you come to a New Jerusalem or you going to be of the old Jerusalem and given yourself to whoredoms. Can't blame feminist if you whore yourself. Can't cast the first stone if you already have sinned. Let alone the same sins. It means start looking inwardly before you start looking outwardly and judge before you will get judged for the same.
@btbc92 ok I disagree with the point where you said religion and tradition doesn’t dictate how a person will live their life. I believe that’s one of the biggest contributors in how people act. For example, you yourself seem to be religious so you believe the way to live is the way the lord wants us to live. What about people of other faiths? Muslim, Buddhists, Sikhs, etc? I’m not trying to discredit you at all, but people have different beliefs and often because of that think differently and act different than people from other cultures.
Religion is man-made. The Lord has made very clear to me what I already had said. He does not care of your religious beliefs, what do you personally think, or what you personally want. It doesn't matter if you're Muslim, Buddhist, whatever. He made his law to be law. I am not religious but I am spiritual. It's not what I believe it is what it is because it was in the way of the world. It will not change no matter what you or I personally believe. If one is to live and she'll die once then you will live and die once. If the price of having premarital sex is going to be a baby or a sexually transmittable disease, it will be one or the other or both. It wanted to put their hand in the fire and it's going to be burned, then person is going to be burned because they've been caught by the fire Drake. Religion and tradition doesn't dictate how a person will live their life. God has given us free will, humans operate on Free Will, therefore it is a choice how we will choose to live it. You do not have to be exposed to religion, or anything in order to actually come in contact with it. It is living and breathing. Religion is not alive. But we can breathe life into it if we choose to.
@btbc92 ok interesting. Now what do you think about all the religions that have caused mass casualties. Because yes we as a world have problems today, but people back then we’re some of the most ruthless savages because of their beliefs. Some of the biggest wars in history have been because of religious beliefs. Do you think it’s a good thing for society to stray away from that or should we as society keep it. I’m coming from a neutral perspective and just asking what others think.
First let me ask you a question. Do you not understand that we are all born with sin? If you was knowledge this, then that automatically answers your question. I said before religion is man-made. People have caused Mass casualties because sin grows. We do these things because the Flesh enjoys evil. You lied once right? Whether you found enjoyment in it or not, it still sin. You may have stole something from somebody wants, even finding such innocent things as food every time someone's dinner plate it's funny. But it still sin. The same way people murder.
The truth is that believes have less to do with murder. But that we murder because we choose to do it. They will always be Wars and rumors of wars because we are broken as people. We can get rid of all religion and we will still die in sin. It won't matter. That's why we need a savior.
If you think it's a good thing look where we are now with this pandemic. Do you honestly think we're going to get any better after this? When God calls for war, he calls for war in righteousness. Many have given themselves up to other gods and have lost their Humanity. They have sex with spirits and their own Gods and polluted themselves. And they spread in wickedness. That's why God had removed many nations that had done so. Since he knows all things he knows why it has to be done. Since he can see all things he knows who is human and who is not. He made genetics. So think about this. They had technology but they didn't have it all the time to even know who was human or half animal or anyting. Now we can see that, but not everybody is going to be able to know that if you were not studying to become a scientist or doctor. Imagine what they have to see things that is unexplainable.
We will always pay for the crimes of our ancestors because of the purses of their bloodline. That's why God allows certain curses to run in certain bloodlines with people because certain curses are heavy. If you come from a bloodline that murdered ruthlessly. Then the same curses can fall upon you or your children. That's why they now finding markers genetically for those that can be born potentially to be either a sociopath, psychopath, will have other mental illnesses and diseases. And why they can't find that in some blood lines. Humans will always want to conquer, and destroy.
Look around you. People are having sex like animals in the streets. Children and now cursing and taking pleasure in bullying and hurting others. Some have literally became murderers, and tell others to harm themselves. People in bars have become alcoholics and fight for no reason. Women stealing others husbands, men stealing others wives. People working In Vein giving in to charity but don't even believe in it just to say they done a good thing. People lacking forgiveness. Their twist Of God scripture and say don't judge, but can be so quick to judge others even a criminal yet they're not even qualified. Mass murderers yet we have mass abortions. People complain about not feeding the poor, or feed for children in third world countries yet they don't take that same money they use on vacation to even go feed them. Yet they defund charities that do. Because according to you people it's too religious.
You have all that money, but you don't go. I have no money, and I wish I can go. You want to be rich yet you're not humble when you don't have. The humble don't have, yet their barred from getting rich. They want to keep the rich rich and the poor poor. If the rich give to the poor then they'll defund the rich that do. It's the poor steal because they have no money, then they're worthless criminals anyway. You say spay and neuter your pets, yet people murder kittens and puppies. Can't even take care of the very pets you have. You either abandon them, neglect them, or leave them to die if not kill them. You say you want to get married yet you request a prenup. If you get married you can't even stay married. You grow bored you divorce or you cheat with somebody else. You want the divorce laws to change , yet you people don't change. You said you would never be in an arranged marriage how people are miserable in it. Yet you want to marry for so-called love, yet you fall in love just to fall out of it. That confusion. And yet all of this is spoken about in the word of God. And you people forsake it. Claim how God promotes slavery, and rape, and murder, how is contradicts itself. Yet you people contradict yourself. Yep you people promote modern slavery. Yet you people rape each other unknowingly or knowingly, yet you people murder. You don't need to read the Bible for that. And I'm pretty sure you didn't learn to do all of that from the Bible. You already had it in you. Just the the bible can reveal it in your or provoke you. It's whatever you choose to take from it no different than when you're in school and you choose whatever you choose to take from those lessons. It's whatever you make of it.
I may not always understand why God does the way he does. But I have to trust that he understands The Human Condition better than we do and he has his reasons. And that he has to make hard choices where even if I was God myself I probably would not be able to make those choices. Don't think that God does not have a heart for people. That he is always proud to make decisions he don't want to make. If he has to take pleasure in his work is because evil has already done so for him. If people have pride for justice, and pride for winning wars, or Sports, why should he not have any Pride for the justice that he has to have for us when innocent blood is spilled? We can't judge God when we already have enough sins that we have to pay for, and we still have a broken system. He only allows these things to happen because we don't want him to intervene. If the world doesn't acknowledge God, doesn't want to serve God, think he doesn't exist, think he's dead, then he will continue to not acknowledge us, continue to be non-existent to us, or be dead according to us. Imagine somebody judged you that way. Would you continue to reach out to such people or would you talk back too? He has never given up on people. But must he continue to suffer so? Should you? Understand that. He has feelings just like the rest of us. He just doesn't handle it the same way we do. That's what makes him different. And if you think it's bad now. It's only just the beginning. Sooner or later you going to start seeing even your own friends, and family got bit may turn on you. That's how bad is getting. Survival of the fittest. Somebody will always pay for somebody else's mistakes. Just like somebody will always end up dead just for somebody else to have peace or happiness. Somebody will always Prosper off of your failures or even you will prosper off of somebody else's failure.
That's what the world teaches. It's not God's teaching. That's why I serve God. Not because my parents or religion told me so. But because I understand his heart, and his desires is also my desires. And that is to put satan in his place and those who follow him willingly, and to bring Justice and peace to those who have lost their lives and have suffered for nothing. There will always be people who claim to be of God and will try to override God's will to do their will. God will deal with those people in his time. But until you fully understand his heart, you will never fully understand his words. And what he is trying to teach you and communicate with you. Religion, not even modern Christianity can help you with that. The only reason why a lot of Christians suffer, is because many of us have been lied to, abused, are stubborn, hypocrites, and refused to change also. He will judge us no different than he would judge every other person. If you are a human being capable of sin you are going to be judged according to your works. And isn't just a good deeds it's the bad Deeds too. That's it.
@btbc92 This post started off aggrsivly sharing an opinion. Then degraded into a FemiNazi rant before the second paragraph ended. We know men and women whom work will typically have higher standards but now lets look at a working couple with kids. Who provides the home? Who takes care of the kids? Who cleans? I'm retired so I can do all of this or get another job. That's a choice I personally have. Others dont have that luxury. In these cases the responsibility should be split. Normally they are not and that is more a societal/religion problem as that is the way most have been raised. No I do not stand beside the women need to take care of the home and men need to provide bull. Women need to provide have good jobs and if she can buy the house she needs to. If the man can buy a house then he should as well. If they live together all the better. Also your knock at mental issues as if they don't exist is beyond offensive by the way. My men and women are going to have to really figure out what they want both in life and in a relationships. As the dynamic is shifting and no one can agree on how a relationship or marriage should work. We should look at real world examples and see how people are making it work or fail. No one else is actively causing an impact in relationships religious or otherwise. So we need to look at the human element and find what right looks like. With all individuals being different I feel it will take a while and require loads of patience and understanding and the ability to teach and learn. So I dont see our generation or any that came before getting it right on mass just yet.
I am no feminazi, and I would appreciated if you didn't call me that. Nor was it an argument or aggressive. But a fact.
First all, mental illness have nothing to do imwith it because mental illness has to do with how the conditions of the world is. People have to love each other and we don't. God set a standard, and we don't bother to meet it. No we don't need to find what's right. We already have what's right. People don't want to do what's right, that's why people struggle. We don't need all the kind of practice. We already have it. And there was more enough evidence when we choose not to do the way it needs to be done. I already have given real world examples. And if you people want to do what you got to do, then that's that. No need to complain cuz at the end of the day people are going to do whatever the heck they want to do.
It's about time you grow up and actually know what the heck is going on. Just because you were tired and means nothing. You made those choices yes. But at the end of the day oh, it is what it is. It's not about luxury. It's about making sure you build yourself up to do with needs to be done. If I had nothing, and still want to try to have something, and I did not have that luxury, then there's no excuse. You do the best that you can until you get where you need to be at. But at the many years of my personal experience, a lot of them just don't want to. They simply just want because they want. Because they're so used to having everything handed to them. That's not how that goes in life. So has nothing to do with luxury. A person can grow up on a farm, and he would make a better husband than a lot of people today. I respect world countries who forces men out into the Wilderness and teach them how to live. And come back a man. A lot of you today are not men. Just like so many women are not behaving like women. It is what it is and you people ask for the stuff. It should never have to be with a woman has to do a man's job neither should have to be wear when we must be the provider. I don't think you understand the entire point of what I have wrote. If we can do all these things than you already stripped of yourself of being a man. Therefore you're just a male whether you're fertile or infertile. That's all you technically are now. And that's just simply the truth has nothing to do with being a feminist, and no one has to be a feminist to actually State what is true. But an actual fact.
Sure so which god is right since there are so many tell me that and I'll believe you 100%. If you can prove that I'll stop feeling like a zealot is demanding we follow the righteous path and should all stol beign heathens.
God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. And I already have proven it over the entire staff and of my comment but you yourself already made it clear that you did not even make it past the second paragraph. So if you already feel like a zealot, look at yourself. Because the way how you sound you do sound like a heathen who learns and knows nothing. Yet at come and pretend as he does. You hear no wisdom because you have no desire for it. So therefore everything I say and matter because it would be nothing but confusing for you do to your reprobate state of Mind. You already made your choice within your heart there is no God.
You think God is religion oh, you think he is a religion, yeah he existed before religion was ever made. Do you not realize he last at the stuff? Seeing how foolish we are that we make Gods amongst ourselves, teachers amongst ourselves, and we done so in foolishness. Do you know why you speak the words you speak? Because you're not only just blind spiritually, you're blind physically to do things that are around you and you don't want to hear the truth. I know I am but a lowly woman but I'm still a woman made by God nonetheless. I'm not perfect at what I do but I strive to be perfect and operate in a way that God has commanded in my life. But you, you made a God within your own heart. And that is yourself.
Sorry to disappoint but I have now read your entire first post. And had to reread when I noticed it read as such. I have no need to try to sway you. My only wish was to point out how you are presenting your argument. If you dont believe me that's fine. You have your opinion and your god. I wish you the best of luck and truly hope we never meet as I have no need for so much aggression in my life. Goodbye.
@btbc92 I agree that God has called men to be the had of the household, but modern women categorically reject the concept of a man leading the marriage. In my mind the whole concept of marriage is about man and woman in traditional roles to create a godly home for raising a family. If women reject this basic concept than why would the ever consider marriage?
Because the truth is a lot of us are just scared, and we need to be shown that. We should not have to pay for our ancestors mistakes. Many of us have been born into this world not knowing why we are in this world. We've been taught so many mixed messages that matter we don't know what is true and what is lies. The only way they can ever really be of acceptance of it is unless love is given back. If men don't know how to love that he needs to learn how to love. Because most of us know how to love what we get rejected too. The problem that both men and women have done is continue to give to people that are not really deserving of it and haven't worked hard for our love. That's all problem. We give it to people that are not for us because we lack the knowledge and do with them. That goes on both ends. Before one that have the knowledge should not have to suffer so much so to the point that we're now broken and unable to fulfill the promise.
There is only but so much that God is willing to give until he gives that to someone else who won't abuse those gifts. The only reason why women especially model women now reject it is because when men had the power to do so they abused it so much that they took it out on their own wifes. A husband shouldn't be raping his wife, beating on his wife or his children, lusting after other women but have a wife, shaima wife, enslave her, in all these things. That's why women do what they do. Cuz at the end of the day we're just trying to survive. Now that we technically have equal power in ground to stand on, now it's the men that is fighting for survival. It's crazy how men are afraid to get into a legal marriage but they're not afraid to have premarital sex which is illegal marriage in God's eyes anyway. One should not be double-minded. And there is just too much double mindedness.
I don't understand your career argument at all, and that is coming from a guy who had amazing career prospects until he got burned out working so hard. Post burnout those career prospects return if my body allows it. It is job potential with salaries beginning at 4k per month which is twice the median salary here.
So I am not asking this because I am lazy but because I genuinely do not understand what difference it makes. If he has a job that can sustain the family then who cares what his career prospects are? Or do you just want to end up with a rich guy spoiling you all the time.
But for your other points you seem to be missing the essence of the issue while coming close to some of them. Society is broken because stuff is genuinely unaffordable. Women are forced to compensate by also working. You can't blame this on the men if they are hard working it's not that simple and they may not be able to afford the money and energy college requires if they are surviving.
But the other way round, we have a house and a job that in the good scenario would sustain you. We don't need that from you. We need someone who enjoys taking care of the family. If that is not you then you simply are interesting for me since my career you so highly value does not allow part time work. You would need a man to raise your kids if you are going to be the money earner or you would need to both do it part time.
So the issue is mostly that society got disfunctionally expensive. But the other issue Is that the interests of who does what are no longer aligned.
To make it easier for you, I will break okut down.
IF a man is the head of the home and is supposed to be the provider, protector and leader. Then he should be the head, provider, protector and lead his home. God is first, Christ comes second, the man answers to Christ, the woman answers to her husband and the children answer to their mother and by extension the father. That is the natural order God intended for ALL. Not just Jews, no longer gentiles or just Christians. But all mankind. That's why we had the gender roles away we do. However. Since the world has drastically changed. The biggest difference isn't that once we already have enough money we don't need you as a provider anymore. If you have no desire to lie, and be the one to wear pants, now we no longer need you for that. In fact we don't even need rich men. As long as we're able to take care of ourselves, then there's no need of anything from you. There's no need for us to be spoiled because now we already have what we have. Unless the guy wishes to spoil the woman, is practically a waste of time because now we already have. Society isn't broken because things are unaffordable. Society is broken because they decided to remove God from the presence of Our Lives. Farm laws and teachers amongst themselves and we have put each other into a serious bind.
Actually we can blame this on the men because if they would never back down, you still would have had a Fighting Chance instead of allowing it's a get out of control. Now it's so out of control is not even funny. It has nothing to do with men not able to afford, but men choosing not to do further then what they already want. Then they expect a high-quality woman in their lives. You hear all the crazy fantasies some of these men especially on this site is talking about. That is not how you supposed to treat a woman. That's how you treat a hoe.
Again what's the point of having family if you don't want to work as a family? A house, a car, Etc doesn't make a family. Another man and woman make a family. If you don't share those values then all you're going to have is basically sex in children. That is not pleasing for a woman who cannot even connect with her man. Also, a lot of women forsaking kids also so now why do we need a man to take care of the kids? Do you now get It? And a good amount now on no longer interested in sex either. So now what all do you have? If we know how to cook, clean, repair things, and not just cars, learn how to build our own homes from the ground up if we took construction class, Etc, what I'm trying to show you it's how easily we can strip everything of what makes you a man according to society.
The feminist at this point are not your problem. The problem is what I'm seeing is the world like in God in their lives, refusing to call, and his command, and all of the things that is required of them. They do what they want, yet they ask for Godly thing. That doesn't work that way. And that's what's so many of you are still not heeding and listening. If you want to not be Godly men and become atheist or agnostic, the don't ask for godly women. Mind you, I said godly women, not religious. Your asking to be involved using godly things and you abuse it. You can work, have a home etc, but many of you won't marry, you have premarital sex and spiritually fornicate with pornography and masturbation. Yet you want a good woman? Or according to you what a good woman is, is a woman who allows you do all of that, yet you can't keep her either. If she needs you to clean the dishes, and you don't do it, you are the problem. She tells you to stop with that pornography crap and you still mess with it, and masturbate knowing darn well you're married and you more likely getting regular sex all the time. If not not just sex at all. You are the problem. Dismiss how she feels and desires also, your the problem.
Don't you men get it? You can have all these material things Love This Life. Produced it with your own hands, it won't matter to us. Because we ask for a man. And we see Boys who still never grew up. Scratch that. Actual little Boys are even more better for they are willing to learn in a lot of you guys to claiming yourself to be men. Because at this point you're just males just like most so-called women are just females. These women, those who gave their virginity is away before marriage oh, those who watch pornography and masturbated at such a young age. Some as young as eight years old. Those who became prostitutes and gave themselves up to whoredoms. Who do you think they do it for? Themselves Only for Themselves? No. They done it for YOU. And you still don't want. If you don't want to marry us young. Get married at all. Have kids. Buy us a house to live in, share your money, etc. What is a WOMAN supposed to DO! You men better answer since you act like you have all the answers because all we want is the female gender is an ANSWER! We do everything in our power to please you and you still want more as if it's never enough. You can't judge us for these things because you want more women. You want more sex. So now what you think we're going to do? We're going to want more money, because if we didn't have feminism take place, not that we actually needed it anyway, we wouldn't be able to work or earn anything.
We would be just like in the middle East or some other places, being sold to a whorehouse or prostitute for money. Because sex sells. Christianity spread to try to stop it, but you people say no! Give me more! Religion takes away all the fun! But at whose expense? The poor and the needy. And you people don't give a damn. All four freaking pleasure , and the lust of the flesh. But it's too religious to you people. Now I realize now I have nothing to do with religion. Is the fact that the truth hurts did you can't help but admit whatever it is that's so called religion have to say it's correct, and it reveals the corrupted nature of man (men/woman). You cannot have good natured women and men if you are corrupted men and women of the Earth. You will get what you are unless you choose to change. Or else you're going to abuse would you say you want so badly. How many times have I have to see and here so many break their PSPs, or PS3s and say "As well, I'll just buy another one." That's how you people treat other people. You get something nice and then you abused it. Bad enough you can't afford it. That's how you treat people. Then you sabotage yourself and create a self-fulfilling prophecy. And now you're living in a vicious and continuous cycle of regret and shame all the way until your last days in the bed, awaiting your death.
If I as a woman has to tell another man what to do and how to do things right as far as living life right, and I'm supposed to be the woman, he's supposed to be helping guiding me, that's embarrassing. We both can get married and literally have nothing and I will be utterly embarrassed because he don't know what to do with his hands. But he wants sex and kids. He was a good home cook meal. He has to earn it like I have to earn it. A man who wants a family has to have his income correct. He has to at least have some form of transportation or at least driver's license. He hasn't had his education on point. And if it's not, he should be prepared to go back to school. Even if he's a rich person he should still get himself together because he never knows God forbid he could end up bankrupt. You must prepare for the future. A man just cannot be in just in the here and now he must have his eyes for the future. A man must be able to do not just dream. That is what makes a woman attracted to a man. The man must have vision! And he does what he's able to do. Even better if the same woman wants to help him fulfill that dream.
But a lot of you men don't want that. You dream about having it but you can't handle the reality of us where we're able to provide it for you. We are the two perfect for you, or you think you're not good enough for us, or your pride and ego gets in the way and you treat us as if we're less. When in actuality you're just insecure. Do you honestly think woman of any religion, so-called race, nationality, Creed, background, Etc is going to continue to get treated this way? Do you honestly think we're going to continue to allow It? There's a good reason why we being raised to be independent now more than ever. Because at least we get the job done, we can rely on ourselves to do it. Know that we can, and feel accomplished that has been done. We no longer have to depend on you to do anyting. You men want to feel needed but guess what we don't need you anymore. And now most of us has grown to hate being around you. Now a good amount of us is starting not to want you anymore either. The world can change 10 times over but our natural human needs and desires for each other will not. It'll just be greatly impacted. But not changed. So seriously think about that before you want to say this holes in my argument. Because my point thus far has been very simple. As a man, if you want a woman in your life you better start treating us right. Or die alone with nobody. What you don't understand is that a lot of women are able to live and handle being alone for we have suffered with that loneliness of no mate since the time of our birth. Why do you think women start crushing as early as toddlerhood why a lot of you guys don't even start thinking about this until puberty? The moment you had interest in being with a woman is the time you should have thought about preparing yourself to have a family. Don't judge anybody else for fooling around when they were young and you chose to fool around yourself.
From what I've been hearing, and reading, and seeing, and viewing cuz I do watch those videos as well for men had to deal with women, a lot of you are being told the wrong messages. Women has been receiving mixed messages and the wrong messages what age is no different than you are. If we have nothing and was looking for a man to provide and take care of us, were golddiggers. If we have everything on our own, according to men, we don't want men or were feminist. That hurts! Leave us for younger women , that's another stab in the back. Then after you finish using them, you want to say women are useless. You get back at us we get back at you. That's relationships today. That's a relationship between a man and a woman today. Who can now one up on the other. Competition of the sexes. Who wants to live like That? Not me. That's why I stayed single.
@btbc92 is clearly not trying to have an open discussion and is just blaming men the same ans any FemiNazi. She isn't even trying to hide it with pretty words or the religion anymore. And it honestly distracts from the actual discussion. Or ar using the complaints of @btbc92 as an example of a women bringing nothing but hate to the table. The original post is anonymous but I am curious as to why your allowing this hateful behavior to continue.
Don't going around quote about things you don't want to hear because you don't like the truth. I'm not here to just blame men or just men.. But not all men actually do what you do. I'm not hiding anything I'm just speaking the fact. If you don't like the fact with and tough buddy that's on you as it is. There's no distraction to the actual discussion that is actually the discussion we need to have. We hate what you do we don't have hate for you. It ain't no hateful Behavior it's abused to behavior. Because if we did not have a beautiful thing don't you was no different than you would have had abusive things done to you we would not be in this fix. We should not be fighting each other. We should be working together but lot of you people are just selfish.
I am showing, correcting, and teaching you. But your attitude is why a lot of women are pissed as a whole. This is why we pissed. Because you're hard of hearing, you don't want to hear, you're stubborn, and you think you know everything but you don't. You don't want to hear when things are being told to you. That when you end up in trouble you want to find somebody to blame or point fingers to. We are having an open discussion. But we need to get the fact lay down first and that's exactly what I did. Lay down the facts. The fact is men failed, and women are failing worse. I am speaking of the woman who have always done her duties, but hardly to get anything done in return. So don't you call me no feminazi. Because I am not no feminazi I am a woman. If you cannot respect a woman, then that's your problem perhaps your mama didn't teach you right.
There are plenty of men and not just on here who agree with things I have to say. Your attitude is exactly the point of what I mean by feminism not being a problem. And I don't even like feminism. Your attitude is your problem. Your mentality is a problem, and you call yourself a man. That's not how a man is supposed to act and treat somebody else. That's words of a child who hasn't yet grown up. Grow up first and then we can have this discussion like adults. Because you certainly aren't yet a man at your age.
I tried, but with this attitude you are right. You don't need us. You can provide for yourself and live independent and so can we. But in a few years time all these career guys? The 30 year old ones that got their life together? They will seek a woman for companionship and to raise a family. We are fertile forever and women like an older man who has his stuff sorted. And you are totally right that you have a lot of power here. Especially when it comes to sex. But know what? So do we. If we want to just have sex we can. We don't need you specifically. We can cook, we can clean, we can do everything you do. But it takes two to raise a family and modern men are not stupid enough to sign their rights away in a marriage. So ultimately it's all bark no bite. Feel free to choose that lonely path, because once you are mid 30s there is no way back. The guys will settle for the younger fertile girl who would love to run the family aspect of life and the strong independent women can be strong but especially independent and incredibly lonely.
This is not a war, this is not a competition and if it was you would not win because we are Built to compete. We want to provide and all we ask is for a women to be a good mother and a soul mate for life. If that is not your thing that is fine. But the career men like me won't settle for anything less.
Is that what you really say and you would get right with God and stop with the foolishness. it has nothing to do with that attitude. But it has everything to do with when are you going to change. Because as long as you have that attitude then we won't change. And no we don't like older men because you have stuff sorted out. All those things that you talkin about is basically the results of sin. So until you change that, a lot of women are not going to want to bother. And when you do stuff like that you're using women too so that's why they start using men. If you think you ain't going to settle for anything less than neither are we. Me telling you to settle. We're telling you to stop being unrealistic. Because using a younger fertile girl have nothing to do with that because after a while she's going to grow tired of it also. They don't ask to be used. Ask to be loved. You have to understand that age has nothing to do with it. Women are women. And if you don't want to love women. What makes you think younger women are going to want to deal with a man? Cuz that what made me stop bothering with men altogether. Because a lot of you are just hypocrites. And first of all, my age have nothing to do with it because God is in control. If he wanted that for my life he would do so. If you don't he will do so. You don't get to be the judge of that.
You say this is not a competition but that's exactly how you men make it. You can't go around using a woman for sex and then you don't expect us to want anything more than that. I don't think you fully understand the true purpose of what God had allowed a woman to be. We already come packaged. Again, you can't control a woman and all that stuff outside of marriage. You can't go around choosing a younger girl because she's fertile and then you want to start complaining about not tying yourself down to marriage. Because once you have premarital sex you already married to us anyway illegally I God's eyes. I hope you realize that. You're not just going to escape from that. We already wanted those things. So if you don't want that with us and don't complain. That's why they do what they do and you can't blame them for that. So you can try to spout that fear on us all you want but we ain't going to have that fear. Because of you so much wanted a family life, and you're supposed to be a so-called career man, you would have done what you had to do and not make excuses about it. But they are going to be rules and you're going to have to follow them no different than we do. You don't want to follow those rules that's why you don't have a woman in your life. Pretty self-explanatory.
So no it is not all bite and no bark, cuz all we have to do is just leave out the country and find suitable men. We don't have to tolerate that. There are plenty of men who were brought up right and still have the traditional values in other countries. We're not worried about being independent. We have dealt with this loneliness forever like I said plenty of times before. So nothing you say is actually going to be really matter because we've been hurt by you men before, why continue to be hurt more? There are still gentlemen out there. And once we find one we claim them. So it's best you really watch what you say. Because you may be a career man but you're only a career man with money. But let's see if you actually have love to give which I highly doubt you have from how you speak.
If you don't want to get married, then you're already wasting our the time. That's why you go out to nine girls who don't know any better because they are easy for you to control and manipulate. You think that was stupid? We're not stupid. We already know the game already. I'm sorry but I think you just spewing a lot of BS. 80% of women and girls wants to be married. So that leaves you with less than 20% at your disposal to be your bed wench. And I am not that. Better off alone than to be treated as a whore.
And from the way how you stand I don't think you really tried enough. Because it sounds like to me if you really had tried you got yourself involved with the wrong kind of person or you haven't changed so it drove the person away. Because again I honestly don't think you really get it. It doesn't matter if you're 20 30 40 and you got your life together that's all good. But in order to have a woman for companionship and raise a family you must communicate and you must be compatible. And most importantly you got to form bonds and befriend a person. So if you're going to be selfish and act that way you're not going to attract good woman to you. We're not going to want to stay with you if you find out that you have that attitude about us. We don't ask for that crap. If we're with you if you because we love you not to be treated like s***, excuse my French. We have feelings, thoughts, desires, and dreams too. And if you're going to stomp on them, that's why a lot of women don't want to bother with you. Money is not what's going to make us want you. Your age is not what's going to make us want you. Your heart and your soul and your innocent desires make us want you. But none of what you say or innocent whatsoever. Because the type of woman you're describing I am that woman and I have always been that woman. But you don't want women like me. So you can stop with the dreaming. Sadly no you don't want a woman to be a good mother and a good soul mate. You don't want that. You can lie to us all you want but your actions speak louder than your words.
A lot of you men to stop acting like it's all about you. And you want to know why so many women fall out of love with men. At least back in the Dark Ages there were still men around.
Learn to communicate and actually love a woman first before you speak that drivel. You see movies like It's a Wonderful Life, fantasy movies like Lord of the Rings or even the original Dragonheart with Dennis Quaid. Or even in video games like Mario and Luigi, link from The Legend of Zelda. Those are real men. They don't complain what they got to do for a woman, or how they got a serve their country. They do it. They know their worth , and they grow up to be well-rounded men. And what makes it sad, they're fictional characters that's even worse. I have family members who are just like them who treated me just like them before they passing. I think I know what a real man is compared to what you say. And they say the exact opposite then what you saying.
If there was any legal way within the Lord's power and ability for me to time travel back in time, I would leave this Century in a heartbeat. Better to live with Wars and plagues going to be living in this hellhole. At least back then the men actually took care of you, and if you die together you die together at least they loved you whether you was rich or poor. Too much entitlement with you people.
No because it simply is not that narrow-minded. You are making a lot of assumptions here. I am the most loving and loyal guy you can probably imagine. To me marriage is just bondage. Want to know why? Because I truly devote myself to a girl the moment I become her boyfriend. I seek that eternal love and don't settle for less. I turned girls down because I was not certain I'd love them enough to stay. I am more in tune with what you call God than you will ever know.
Once my body is healed and I start actively dating I'll find that special girl. We will fall in love and from that point it all stands or falls on how compatible we are. But I am not going to sign my rights away because a book conflicts a social contract with genuine commitment. I refuse to be forced to stay, I want to stay on my own accord. Marriage brings me nothing when things go right, and hell when it goes wrong.
And "they"? They don't care about marriage at all. They care about your intentions and impact on the world. If I make a girl unbelievably happy marriage is entirely irrelevant as it is arbitrary. Those rules stem from a time condoms were not a thing. And for obvious reasons, you should not risk sex with someone you don't plan to stay with. That turns your life into hell. But being together with genuine long term love before you have unprotected sex? That is actually a positive thing because no matter how you look at it love and happiness is never a sin neither is making your partner feel good. What is a sin is risking someone's future for your own pleasure.
But what I won't be dating is someone with the attitude you have been showing in your posts. Someone who's rather alone. My love would be wasted on her so will be my contributions. That is why I warned you, that is why you are single. You still have the opportunity to set aside all that hatred and seek a man that fits you. Don't let it go to waste.
Is marriage is bonded how are you and loving guy? So much hypocrisy. You can't have eternal love with that attitude or do you not understand that. Sorry if you are a boyfriend then you're easily replaceable. No you have sex with who are married to. That's not positive. It is a sin when you doing that. If you think you love is wasted then you obviously wasted your time with people. No I'm single because God protected me from guys like you who use a sin as a way to get pleasure out of people. No I have hatred for the sin of this world. I don't need tp seek aman. Because it's not my job to seek. I no longer have that desire. And how dare you tell me that I'm going to let it go to waste. Who are you to take over God's job? You're not God. I hope you realize that you are not God. Because if you're not going to wait until marriage to have sex, you already missed the boat. So you better seriously think about who your warning because I warn you. You better change that mentality you have because everything you want to say to me is going to go right back to you. Because let me tell you something that My Lord told me: you are free to be with whoever you choose. And if they do not love you for who you are for I made you uniquely and beautifully as you are, they are not deserving of you. They will have to go through me first.
See you don't see that's exactly what you're doing. Risking someone's future for your own Pleasant exactly what you doing when you haven't set us out of marriage. No, this is an attitude of a real woman who isn't tolerating your weak excuses. Of course you wouldn't want to date someone like me because you know I would get on your ass. I would make a man out of you. Because what you're saying is not what a man is. That's a selfish man. Know your love will be waiting on her because you have nothing to contribute to a woman. You have no love to give at all. You think you loving you don't because if you actually had love you and understand exactly what I said. All you hear is anger because that's all you see. You don't listen. You don't care to listen. Because it makes you feel uncomfortable because it hits home. I know why you don't want to hear what I have to say. Because you're unhappy with your life. Because if you were so happy with your life you wouldn't say the kind of things you say. I say what I say because the Lord showed me the truth about what people. And you did exactly type of guy he keeps me away from. Somebody who pretends to love me but seek something else in return while I give and give and I'll be made miserable.
When Jesus had told the rich man sell everything you have and come follow me if you choose to be my disciple. That's exactly who you are. The rich man who chooses not to be Jesus disciple because you refuse to sell your things. That's not a man I would ever want to desire. Because if I'm willing to sell my things for Jesus, why would I want a man who doesn't? I'm not compatible with that kind of person.
You can fool other people, you can believe your own lies, but you don't fool me easily. Because all that's in your heart is just tainted Darkness. There is no purity in your heart. And you have nothing that I seek. A kind soul doesn't speak your words. It's the words of a bitter man.
You use Scare Tactics and put fear in a woman's heart to make a woman want you. But I'm sorry, woman like me would never want you no matter what kind of fear you want to put in my heart. Because the person that loves you don't make you fear. They give you safety and comforting words. And you give none. I'm not going to allow myself to get her just because you're bitter and hurt. Because God is healing me from that. And I gave away that bitterness a long time ago. Because if I was so bitter I would not have already given you the keys to change. But you don't want to change your ways. So guess what? That blessing will go to another man because you choose to give it away.
And OMG. If you turn girls down because you're uncertain you love them enough to stay then something is wrong with you not the other girls. You have no desire for Asheville genuine commitment so you can just cut that b s out. If you got to wait for your body to get healed to actually start dating, then you're making excuses all together. Don't you understand in order to make any of us happy we want to be married? You don't know a woman's heart. Believe what you want but it just sounds like dreams to me not reality.
Tell me then. What is the significance of a government issued social contract that makes it difficult for the guy to leave to God? Why is the restriction of freedom a positive thing? Why is commitment not enough? And why would your God protect you from a guy who does not sleep around, saves having sex for the one who is right for him and genuinely is a friendly guy who is trying to open your eyes that your interpretation may be preventing you from what you secretly desire most.
Where is all the hostility coming from? And how are you so certain he is shielding you from guys like me instead of using people like me to ask you to seek him and ask if his written rule is accurate and to truly understand the meaning before you take it to far and prevent your own happyness.
You clearly blame everything on the abandonment of values but it is not me who abandoned the side of good. I merely sought what it means in the modern world rather than taking everything so literal.
I am not telling you what to believe, I am merely serving as a message that you should broaden your view if your current one is preventing what you seek.
I think the things of God. There's nothing that you say that already tells me everything that I already know. There was nothing that's preventing from what I seek because I am getting that from the Lord myself. Marriage is not government-issued. Marriage is how you choose to make it between you and that individual. The only thing that the government has authority over is making sure that it's legally documented. Nothing more, and nothing less. It is not a social construct. Marriage is freedom. It's your choice to make it restricted. It's your choice to abused It. Dating is not commitment. It's a stepping stone to either you getting married or not getting married. Otherwise you're playing house. You know why he would protect me from someone like you and I Now understand it after all these years? Because you say all those things but your heart is not pure. You don't say 6 or the one that's right for you, you say such for your wife. And he's not going to give it to somebody who wants to be in since you can't open my eyes because the one who actually helped me and the one who actually give me that wisdom the Lord himself. I don't think those things I don't think thin. I can be with somebody and just hold his hand and I can be content. That's not what you really want. I know that because those same guys were sleeping around, some of them already have kids with other women, and they said the same thing. they made their choice just like I made mine. No there's no hostility here, I'm showing you my authority as a woman. And by the authority that's invested in me, I don't have to do Jack squat you have to say. I owe you nothing like you owe me nothing.
You don't even know my happiness. My happiness is to see everyone happy. To see everybody prosper in the things of the Lord as I do. Not to be in sin, not to die instant, not to die and go to hell, but to be in heaven if there life on this Earth is over. Yeah you say that but then you would have somebody by now. And apparently you don't. You're the one that keeps on complaining. I just learned to let it go. I let it go that's the only time y'all want to start flocking over. I'm not stupid you know. I've been through this my entire life and I know the entire game, I heard it all before. And you are not the only guy that tries to do what you did with your manipulation tactics. I'm not stupid. You're just mad because I'm not opening up my legs easily for you like other women would. My heart is not easily won and is not easily bought. If I was to strip you naked right before me I would see the lots of dirt you have got over the years in your soul. And it would not be satisfying to me.
What it is that you don't want to be held legally responsible and accountable for your actions. That's exactly what it is. We should not have to be risking having sex before marriage for you, but you don't want to risk anything for yourself with your finances. There's a good reason why my late mother before she passed away, tell me not to have sex before marriage. She ended up with an STD herself and it ended up killing her. I myself could have been infected. I have friends who have done the exact same thing you are talking about and they're suffering right now. One who lost a marriage because of it. There is a price to pay when you choose to do send before the Lord. Somebody can end up sick or dead. If I say I want to be with the person I'm with them for life. If I say I'll marry them, that means I know what's expected of me. I know what I'm risking. And I'm with that person until the day I die. Don't matter how angry I can be at a person, I still opt to marry them that is still my husband. That's it. If I don't like it tough. Then that means I should have thought about before marrying that person. What you say make absolutely no sense. And that's enough to make a woman want to leave you for another man.
Unlike you, I don't expect a man to be a husband to me when he's not my husband. And if I desire to be the wife of that man I got to audition like every other woman. And one thing I know for certain, I'm not going to audition in something that I know I have no chances of winning. Especially if I show and prove I don't desire it enough. You act like I don't know what a decent man is. I will tell you like I tell everyone else. At any given time I can get married or find somebody for boyfriend if I choose. Any given time. Even if I wasn't celibate anymore, I'm still not in a position to be in a serious relationship. I had to put my life on hold to take care of my family when I barely can take care of myself. No job, no degree. No place of my own to live, no finances in the bank. Now what you have to say? So if nobody wants me after 30 so be it. Because there's nothing wrong with taking care of your family. And I'm still taking care of my family as a caregiver I haven't stopped since I was 19. So talk that junk somewhere else. Unlike you I wasn't born privileged.
You don't want me when I'm poor, but you don't want me worse when I have a career to take care of myself. If I date you when I have no money I'm a gold digger. If I date you and I have money, you expect me to split the bill. If I don't have sex before marriage then I'm a prude and religious. If I won't do anything sexual before marriage then I'm selfish. If I ask to get married, I'm trying to steal your money. Do you honestly think any woman in her right mind wants to date with somebody of your attitude? I doubt it. You're darn right I rather be alone. You're a hypocrite. My attitude is very much valid unlike the excuse you give. Just because you grew up and had opportunities way more than I ever had in my entire life, that doesn't give you the right to treat me like I'm nothing.
I assume you are speaking in generalizations because none of those assumptions apply to me. It's clear to me that someone has caused you immense pain and I hope you will either find someone that can take the pain away from you or you will manage to let that pain go yourself. If you truly want to remain single that is fine of course. But if you do desire the right man try to let that pain and negativivity go. It's the key to finding him because at the moment you are assuming the worst in people.
And no, I am not mad at all and sure if my future girl values marriage this highly I'd marry her but not in common goods. That way we are protected from the downsides of marriage in the legal system.
I am not making assumptions, I'm telling it exactly what it is. Nobody caused me much pain to actually say what it needs say. Do what it is right. Legal system have nothing to do with your choices. And I don't have to assume the worst in people, everything what you say is exactly why I wouldn't want to bother. If you don't value marriage don't get mad at all. Find somebody who don't want to get married either.
Because of none of want I have to say applies to you you would not be saying the words you speak, which I already know is exactly the words you speak. Because it's not only affecting me as a woman is affecting every other woman and child. You don't see not one woman disagree what I have to say with this matter.
Now I didn't had the time or lust to read all you comment, so maybe you did manage to mention a single good thing about our men. But I'd just noticed you first thing... Now the fact some men do things wrong, doesn't make our way to treat men more accepted. The fact someone make a mistake doesn't make it more accepted to do the same. Your argument would be. If your neighbors kill someone , you should do the same. It's a horrible thought, and I think that's why people in US have more guns than the rest of the world together, and them guns haven't done US a better country to live in I guess
Uh, I think you miss the point of my argument. The point that I was making is that these guys thing nobody can touch them because their men, similar to how some women assume we can't be touched because we're female. I'm pointing out you don't do evil unto others. And women have every right to protections when others abuse them. No we have guns because it is and always have been our constitutional right to arm ourselves no different than anybody else. It have nothing to do with it being a horrible thought. But when there is need of Justice sometimes you must take actions you don't want to take. It has nothing to do with it being a mistake for some men. This is a majority. 80% of the majority of Western eyes men especially in the US follow these Trends and they think this is acceptable. No different than about 70% of women do the same thing and find it acceptable. The men that don't want me obviously the very men that I'm talkin about that don't like what is being told of them. They don't like their duties as men no different than feminists like their duties as women. They want what they want, and they figure they don't have to work for it. Because too many women these days are giving everything to them and coddling them. Back then it would not be.
They have a double standard mentality no different than some people today do. They blame feminism for everything but but they love it as well because it made a lot of women become whorish. They want to be absolved of the responsibility without putting much work. So many of them that are complaining do not have stable Partners themselves let alone aren't even dating or married. What they don't want to seem to understand or seem to care about is that there are two parts of people who claim they are no good men left. The one that Asker is talking about, which is somewhat Justified. And good women who have a hard time finding good men. Because so many guys out here are acting like robots. Going wot h the trend and refuse to do what they should do to find a stable partner. Then they blame how unstable who their crushing on. They have ISSUES. many if them are either the friendzone men or Incels. They want to sacrifice on their terms, if not want to sacrifice at all. But if you do the same thing to protect yourself then you're the one that selfish. You need to understand that this is a double standard that they have. What it is is that a lot of them are just jealous of women because they want to feel empowered. They think being a real man is having tons of women giving them grape, alcohol, rub their muscles, chest, while they're beings sexual with them all. That's what they want while theu pick one girl who sexually excited them the most. That's what theu want. Or similar.
If a woman is so bad, it's so simple to just not date her. So they need to stop the hypocrisy. Like everybody else there's always at least one person that had interest in them but they don't pay attention to them either. The ones they want don't want them. The ones that do want them he don't want. But if the ones that he don't want finally find somebody else now he's not only stuck, he's Furious. You have to understand. They need SERIOUS HELP. Most need psychological help at that.
They're literally scared of women, especially that no matter how ugly or whatever you are, there will always been men valuable just because your a woman. They only go after someone my age and young just to try to see who theu can get into their mold. You don't see them attempting to try to pull that move when your father's are around right? Because the father is the protector of his daughter. If you have a brother, they may still make an attempt, but a brother may not have much Authority as a father would so they will challenge her brother's Authority. That's why they wait for a woman to be alone so that they can make that move. Wine her, dine her and get her bed. Once she's hooked, they got her mind, body and not spirit. That's why they find pleasure to know that she can defy her parents and whoever just to be with him. But once she sees the true him, and it's usually not into marriage she finds out, that's when they get angry and then threaten her God forbid. That's why they call women period, Monetary rapist and don't want to get married. Thank God Not all men, do this but those are the same men that they also despise. They are so blind to see that their behavior and their actions is exactly why feminism came into power in the first place. These women Buckwild because these men buckwild. Monkey see, monkey do.
The smart man knows not to hang around with those kind of men. And they do eventually find good women, but they just need to put themselves out there a little bit more, and be confident to express his feelings and take the lead. He knows the set boundaries, he knows not to have somebody taken for granted, and he knows not to just give away his prized possessions on even his heart to just any person. He understands his value and his worth. And he doesn't have to have the validation of a woman nor opinions of his fellow peers. He knows to have respect for everyone , and he is overall loved by everyone. That is a kind of man any woman would be happy to be with. But naturally of course he can only pick one woman. So you can only hope that you're that one that he picks, if one desires to be with him. Not men who act like jerks, like a lot of them that don't like what I have to say. They're just angry because I expose them for who they really are. And nobody else especially a woman had balls to speak up about it, except for the very few. That shows and proves you don't have to be some radical feminist, feminist., or some crazy feminazi just to voice your opinion. You don't have to have picket signs and use intimidation or hate speech to make a point. I have always been one to remain silent especially concerning such matters as to not hurt anyone else's feelings. But after seeing this for over two decades of my life I realize I could not remain silent about this anymore. Something needs to change. Until I see it , I ain't budging an inch. As long as we remain faithful in the Lord we have nothing to fear. So I don't worry about them.
So when a guy says that they're not going to want you much after 30, and they will go after younger women of legal age. Remember one thing that I learned back in my early twenties in late teens. It's a manipulation tactic and it's abusive. Those are red flags and you don't have to stand for it. Don't be involved with an emotionally abusive man. Respectable people don't Rob the Cradle.
It is not an abuse tactic, it is a warning about genuine statistics. Guys want a fertile women, preferably one they don't immediately need to have a child with so they will date someone who they can first build a stable relationship with. If they are older than them that time is shorter. If they are mid 30's the rush is there so it is much less desirable than a younger girl. Leaving you with less and less good men as you get older. You can choose to go the other way round and finding someone good is not impossible at that age, but it does become a LOT harder because your desirability dropped. Most good guys get taken in their 20's but can also date downwards if they are 30 if they focused on other aspects first or had no luck. Most girls get taken in their 20's guys are available after that but the chance of them coming out of a bad marriage or failed relationship where they had sex before wedlock is significantly higher. And since it is one of your firm criteria it will make it really difficult to find someone and even more impossible to start a family by the time you hit 35 and most of your fertility is gone.
We did not design it this way, it is just how it is because nature operates that way and was not design to need such a long education period as humans have. Its designed to fall in love in your teens and get kid by the time you hit your late teens / early 20's.
@sawno Buddy, Bring that BS elsewhere. Nobody cares about that garbage! And it is abusive.
"Guys want a fertile women, preferably one they don't immediately need to have a child with so they will date someone who they can first build a stable relationship with." BS! Get married at 18 then. Your 26 years old. What the HELL are you waiting for! Find somebody to befriend with, see who they are as people, see if you're compatible and if mutual MARRY THEM! Problem solved! Strike 1!
"If they are older than them that time is shorter." And here you are still playing God. At ANYTIME God can open and close wombs. Allow miscarriages or a woman to make unwise choices through abortions. GOD is IN control! If he had Sarah give birth at 80, we can still have kids. Most women want kids and you don't want that. You want sex, sex, sex. No premarital sex, you'll hop to the next chick who spreads her legs. Stop it, man. STOP IT.
"If they are mid 30's the rush is there so it is much less desirable than a younger girl. Leaving you with less and less good men as you get older." REALLY? Now that's just dumb. A lot of you THINK your good men, a good catch. Your NOT. Sorry to say. You would have settled down by 23 if that is the case. Which you didn't. Huh. Says a lot. I have seen good men over 30 still doing well waiting for good women. Some even on here. Stop acting like your the bees knees.
"You can choose to go the other way round and finding someone good is not impossible at that age, but it does become a LOT harder because your desirability dropped. " That's where you get wrong about women! We don't CARE to be desired! We just want to be LOVED! You men want to be desired for sex. We don't. We just need love. Get a book about relationships and women and it tells you the same thing as any other blog post. Women want love, men want sex. Simple. Stop assuming we're like you. We're not. We mostly desire that AFTER marriage. You men don't know how to court or romance women. And from rumors of close aquintences who had sex, don't know how to make love EITHER.
"Most good guys get taken in their 20's but can also date downwards if they are 30 if they focused on other aspects first or had no luck. Most girls get taken in their 20's guys are available after that but the chance of them coming out of a bad marriage or failed relationship where they had sex before wedlock is significantly higher. " False, false, and false. Studies have shown through statistics that people who had premarital sex before marriage, have done so before the age of 18, AND shacked up before marriage to run a higher risk of divorce. Since we have more singles in less than a decade ago, about 40%, many are having ONS or friends with benefits. Many guys are NOT married in their 20s. AT MOST with the very FEW, they are dating, or have a kid or two out of wedlock. But not married. That's the problem. So they want virgins like me but AREN'T VIRGINS themselves. Many of my friends got married between 18-24 with one now divorced. And they can easily dispute your claims. They found somebody who shared the same values as them! I could have got married at 13, 16, or even 18 when I wanted. But the other guys did not WANT IT. Don't assume and be a dumbass. Not to offend you, but to actually tell. Stop being one. Because you think you know so much about a woman but you don't. You just want your way.
"And since it is one of your firm criteria it will make it really difficult to find someone and even more impossible to start a family by the time you hit 35 and most of your fertility is gone." Also BULL. As long as you have a healthy clean diet, and eat foods that maintain and boost your fertility, your just at risk as we are. Your sperm gets weaker and you stop making a lot of it by 40 yourselves. Honestly, stop acting like you have all the time in the world because you don't. You're getting OLD and weak like the rest of us.
" Its designed to fall in love in your teens and get kid by the time you hit your late teens / early 20's." Oh SURE! I don't believe in falling in love, but nobody wanted what you claim all of you want. You just want to shack up unmarried legally with any girl you want premarital sex with. You don't want marriage, and if you really wanted marriage, why not get married and ask your parents and her parents for permission to marry so you can start a life and have a baby. I hope you approve teen pregnancy then because that shows much of a hypocrite you are. I make the standard you don't want it. Now you try to threaten ME? Picture that happening!
Put holes in your entire argument. IT'S WEAK. Your entire argument WEAK. And it's full of excuses. Enjoy wacking your wanker, because that's all you got left. Which also, by the way, LOWERS your sperm count. But as a man you're the logical and rational sex right? I'm sure you'll figure it out when it's less than 5 inches. ;)
Can't be said more correctly, many of us women are hypocritical , and think is self far better than the actual guy right in front of us, and we just done one thing wrong, when we heard that a gal should play hard to get , as she shouldn't seem to be cheap, we falsky thought it's the same as being impossible to get hold at. And when we began to love only us self thing went wrong
Few women bring anything to the table, other than financial and legal liabilities. Take sex out of the transaction and there is nothing that men cannot find elsewhere for less cost and risk. Women who deny sex to their husbands should be mindful of that. Women who ask where the good men went are usually 30-something former carousel riders, who rejected the good men when they were younger. Throughout my life I have found it darkly amusing that successive generations of women spend their teens and 20s fucking the most worthless and useless POS bad boys whom they can find, because decent young men are 'boring'. Then, after the women pass the age of 30, they begin to look for the 'good men' and are genuinely surprised that the good men whom they rejected are not waiting around for them, gagging for an opportunity to put their homes and future incomes on the line for a chance to pound a post-wall party girl, who may have the spawn of Harley MacBadBoy and/or Chad Thundercock snapping at her ankles. With a 50 per cent divorce rate; biased laws and courts that hand almost everything to the woman; spousal and child-support laws that turn the man into the woman's impoverished slave for the following 20 years; and the prospect of prison time if he cannot pay the child support, it should not surprise anyone that a lot of men of all ages are not interested in dating, relationships, marriage, or children. It is as a reaction to that poisoned chalice that Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) comes. Some men who date plan to not marry and have vasectomies, so that they cannot be baby trapped by a post-30 woman who has baby rabies. https://nypost.com/2017/05/27/hamptons-bachelors-are-getting-vasectomies-so-golddiggers-cant-trap-them/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-health-men-choosing-vasectomies-story.html
I think at the very least they're being very closed minded, or have surrounded themselves with the wrong guys and think that's all that's out there or that they can get. It definitely could be true that they have nothing to offer, themselves.
I find that the type of people who say all of a specific gender are bad/there are no good ones left are pretty bitter, themselves, and haven't really put in much effort and just assume the few people they've met that didn't work out define everyone else of that gender.
I met a lot of women. Because I worked in the media, the women I met tended to be toward the upper end of the social scale. I was rejected by nearly all of them, because I was not an exciting bad boy. I can say honestly that if there were good women out there, I did not meet them. The women with whom I formed relationships were liars and heartless manipulative psychopaths who enjoyed hurting men. . . because they could. The women who I dated once only revealed themselves to be insane (bipolar disorder was common), wanted a free meal, or carousel riders who wanted to dip a toe into the world of men who were not scumbags. Two of them were actually prostitutes. That was revealed during the meeting. One wanted a free lunch and the other told me that the following week she would begin a two-year contract to serve in a harem in Dubai. When I was rejected, which was about 99 per cent of the time, it was not the rejection that upset me. If I had been passed over for an objectively better man, I could understand and accept that as a rational choice by the female. What caused me to have an unflattering opinion of the female cognitive process was that the men who were chosen were usually borderline IQ knuckle draggers, whose futures were locked into minimum-wage jobs and welfare housing. Me. . . I was a print journalist, a part-time radio and television presenter, had a reserve commission in the army, was (and remain) a dedicated student of a martial art, a part-time (and occasionally professional) actor and my family had money. I liked (and still like) European tailoring and European cars. I have been told that I am good looking and, due to genetics and physical activity, I am built like a tank. On paper, I should have done well with women. The reality was the opposite. Sometimes I went more than a year between dates. Contrast that with the flannel wearing shitbags, who seemed to have women hanging off them.
@cth96190 I'm sorry your experience was bad. :( I haven't had great experiences with relationships either and finally just found out that I'm happiest alone anyway.
I'm not sure what it is about some women and wanting to tame a bad boy, but you're right, that's a very common fantasy. I've had several friends into guys like that. The thing was, they thought they could change them and got excited about the thought of them being the "different" one the guy actually developed feelings and settled down for, but they just ended up getting their hearts broken in the end.
I think the good ladies and men keep to themselves cause they have been hurt multiple times. You wanna walk in and have your cake but dont want to grow with someone.. you dont know the womans story single mothers are the strongest people I know.. he could have died in an accident.. he could have abused her and she had to run with her and her kids lives... he could have cheated been an alcoholic.. you dont know the story.. I have no kids and you know what I have multiple fears I am working through.. the good thing is with this pandemic I am pretty sure most women can cook now.. some men cook better than their woman there's nothing wrong with that my man is a better cooker with soup and chilli and I can cook the way he spices things up most things he doesn't use a recipe.. I always follow one or may not turn out... im a better baker than him... Career women know 85% of men are a waste of time most guys are players.. or views dont match up if she's working hard but he's still in the party stage.. they say you attract what you are.. so you aren't happy with the quality of women your attracting do some reflecting and see what you bring to the table.. id first work on your attitude there's many good people left they are stretched one and far between most likely you won't find them at a bar and they probably get hit on by multiple men in a grocery store.. so they kinda blow you off.. so instead of asking for the number the first time you see her have small talk even if its that shirt is nice on you brings out the color in your eyes.. have a nice day.. if its meant to be you will see her again.. or she could be like I wanna know him more and ask for your number.. this whole whistle thing or hey sexy want to go out for coffee thing is a big turn off to me... some other women may think its the bees knees.. yes the feminist ordeal has gone to far.. men and women are built differently there's things men can do better there's other things women csn do better its in the genes.. what really bothers me is how they want all the same benefits a man has but doesn't want to work hard or get dirty to get there they expect a hand out on silver plater or go off crying... there's many different types of women and men out there.. and honestly I think most people are in debt the whole world is... mental issues if you have lived life at all haven't had mommy and daddy handouts you will have issues.. I think honestly you need to look at the person as a whole do you like her personality, does she have common sense its scary how that has become rare.. a good communicator.. things like debt and fears can change.. your far too materialistic and shallow right now to attract a quality woman thats my two cents.. so do some reflecting and figure out a way to change it! Instead of complaining
You kinda proved his point by says you attract what you are... he is applying it to women and you're applying it to men. It's essentially the same concept though. And he's not complaining about the women he get, he's complaining about how women who tend to complain that there are no good guys out there are the ones who don't have much and hence attract the losers which they don't like. Which is exactly what you said. Innit?
Yes its the same concept what im stating is instead of pointing the finger at someone else... do some reflecting on how I can be a better partner one day... while your improving yourself you will naturally atttract better quality people
Like instead of huming and highing over a persons good looks.. lusting after them.. think wow God did a good job on that one.. instead of undressing in your mind
Based on your 85% statistic that means that 85% of women aren't worth a damn either since you also stated that we are what we attract. Not sure where you pulled that stat from but I would question any stat that high dealing with people's.
Yes there alof women out there as well that are horrible to men its not all men or women.. im not targeting a gender here humanity in general need to grow up and stop pointing the fingerv
I disagree. Women that complain about no good men existing do so for a couple of reasons, such as making poor choices when selecting men as dating partners, or having negative experiences with the men that they date. The women that make poor dating choices often lack the wisdom required for choosing a compatible man that will treat them well. Oftentimes, such women have poor priorities, usually valuing things such as a big penis, money, and looks before valuing whether the man is loyal, kind, and caring. Valuing superficial things such as penis size, looks, and money could, for example, result in conditions such as Stockholm syndrome should the man become abusive because they prioritize superficial and material things over their own well-being. Such women could still bring whatever is recommended to the table. These women could be kind, loyal, caring, supportive, and useful during their relationships, but if they simply chose a man that truly doesn't care about them, they're still likely to have problems despite their "table bringing." If they continue to make poor choices based on their foolish priorities, then they're likely to believe that good men don't exist. They could easily be corrected by simply seeking men that genuinely love and care for them. However, the possibility also exists that the men they date could have simply been negative men themselves. Not every man on the planet is an angel. Some men only want to use women for sex, care only for looks, are disloyal, dishonest, and could be downright abusive to women. Being able to determine whether or not a man truly wants you for you requires a lot of logical reasoning, deductive skills, and wisdom. The reason is that some men's deception could be extremely convincing. Such deception could result in many negative things such as single motherhood, STDs, and failed marriages. Women that usually end up with these men often failed to do their due diligence, which all parents should teach their daughters.
All women seeking love should understand the goodness of a man based on how much effort he puts in the relationship. If he doesn't make sacrifices for the relationship and the woman finds herself giving more than receiving, then he probably doesn't care about her. I recommend that all women look for these signs. Thus, women that don't believe good men exist believe so because of their own poor choices. Plenty of good men exist, but simultaneously, plenty of men also exist that use deception for superficial reasons rather than be the good man that they could be. It goes both ways. I believe that women should straighten their priorities and be more deductive when choosing partners, while men should also aim to seek companionship rather than sex with a "perfect 10." As for the quote you posted, ironically, that sounds like it was created by a man that doesn't believe that good women exist and also made poor choices. Love, support, and devotion are things that keep a long-term relationship healthy. He should value those things in a woman if he truly wants a good woman, not complain about them. However, it's clear that his main priorities are sex and woman's ability to perform like a housewife. Plenty of women exist that have the characteristics that he claims they lack, but it's a person's priorities that usually result in the type of person that they find themselves with. If he values those superficial things over the things that could actually keep the relationship healthy, then he too needs to straighten his priorities or else he's more likely to be doomed to complaining about women online for the rest of his life, not unlike the women complaining about the lack of good men.
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Some of them, maybe. But, it works both ways and a lot of men complain about women too *ahem*.
I agree to some extent that some women like this have little to offer or make no effort, but only some. I know women, single, no kids, no tattoos, lovely personality, domestic, etc, who have said statements like these because they just haven't met the right person, same goes for men. The way modern dating is, it just seems like everyone is out for a bit of fun and no one's serious anymore, resulting in a lot of people getting hurt. Then many people end up dating a lot more people, to only get hurt and continue the cycle.
I would like to just say, I know you are not taking issue with 'all women', but your post suggests that there are a few things that all women 'should do' which is incorrect: 1. There are many women (and men) out there who will just sleep with anyone and go through numerous partners without much thought, having a kids with different people in the process. But I don't think you should have 'no respect' for every women who's had kids with more than one father. Firstly because plenty of guys do it with different women (and often worse: don't actually support or see their kids). Secondly, you don't know the circumstances. What if her husband passed away and she wanted to be happy again? Or she got with previous fathers because they treated her well and she thought they were good for her and they turned out to be abusive or cheaters? You can't put everyone in the same box.
2. It is not *only* a woman's job to do domestic work, so while you're saying she's not bringing it to the table, are you? Back in the day when women didn't work then yes, that only makes sense. But we do now, and if we didn't we'd still be called lazy. It doesn't work like this: Men = work; women =work, kids, clean, cook, etc. That makes no sense. If we work too, you need to be domestic too. There isn't enough hours in the day. That whole passage is a load of crap. 'Too tired to clean after their jobs'. Then wtf why don't you help then.
3. Love and devotion is more valuable than any material thing. And actually, that's what most women (like myself) want. I couldn't give a crap about money. I have more money than my boyfriend and am solely satisfied with his love.
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It depends on how the work is balanced.. Say for instance the man is working 60+ hours per week and the women is a stay at home wife.. The house work is absolutely 100% on her. On that same token, if both are working the house work should be split in such a way that it matches hours worked. Why my issues is, is the fact that most women these days dont even want to share the load.. i was taught from a young age how to take care of that stuff because in the words of the person that taught me "women are useless in that area"..
I am not talking about housewives, obviously housewives (or house husbands) should do the all housework if one is working. But I was talking about the statement in the picture which accompanies your post - if a woman is 'too tired' from her job and working to it needs to be shared. It is more understandable that you take this view when you told that - sounds like it was coming from someone bitter or who had ended up with a lazy housewife. Most I would say are not. All the women in my family never shy away from housework. I personally take pride in that stuff.
Thats actually fantastic. Most women i have been in contact with felt like housework was something sexist if a woman had to do it. My wife and i share it when she works, when she does not work, she takes care of it. Save for cooking, thats mine, unless she really wants to.
That seems a pretty fair deal, sounds like what me and my boyfriend do. I've been studying and I do all the housework while my boyfriend works. Cleaning, shopping, laundry. I actually enjoy doing the laundry lol. I cook on weeknights when he works and he does it on weekends often. I don't see it as sexist because if I was working and he was home I know he'd do the same. It's more situational. I take pride in making a good meal for us not because it's my job as a woman but because it's an important life skill.
I know I used to say that a couple of times to my best friend (the guys had the same issues and worse than the ones you mentioned. This was before I met and married my husband.
I have a career (first legal and now tech) but I’m not a career career woman. I know how to cook and bake (I prefer to make my own foods). I don’t have any tattoos, no children (not yet), my student debt has almost been paid off, no mental or health issues, no std’s or sti’s and I prefer to clean and do laundry as I find it relaxing. I have never wanted expensive things because I don’t ever want to be broke.
I’m lucky and grateful to have met and married my husband because he is everything I wanted in a guy and we are on the same page with everything. We don’t care that I make more money than he does because we use that to our advantage which is better for us. I know I am fortunate to have found someone I love so much and he is definitely a good guy! He actually came along after I had stopped looking for guys which is crazy.
Yeah, you are not the type of woman who would say that there is no good man. You found a good man because you are a good woman. Which is something I can't say for our crazy sisters.
This is an unfortunate but true statement. A lot of women my age do not know how to cook, clean efficiently, raise children, and go to work full time, all at the same time. Managing all of those tasks is daunting. But there are women who are able to do it. Very few of them. This is a generational thing. Slowly as women had to leave the house and become permanent fixtures in the workforce it left a gap in teaching their daughters how to take care of a home or husband. I realize that women are career-driven, and have a total different agenda in mind other than having a family, raising kids, or caring for a man. I think a lot of men actually would like to settle down and have a family. I have noticed personally, I hear women saying the MOST that they don't want to get married or have kids. generally speaking, I think men find it attractive when a woman comes across as nurturing and selfless. Being funny, and having an awesome career, materialistic stuff that you can stomp your feet and say you bought yourself, that is all trivial shit. But what can you do simply? You've mastered all these other grandiose things but yet you can't prepare dinner? Or do a daily/basic cleaning task? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In today's culture it is hard to find somebody of quality, whether you're a man or a woman. For some, it really is just because they can't find someone decent because there's a lack of them.
On the other hand yeah, for many of these people, both men and women, it does have to do with the fact that they have little to offer also. And rather than take a good look in the mirror, admitting their flaws, perhaps improving themselves in some way, it's easier for them to point fingers and blame the entire opposite sex.
I think that the big difference is, and maybe this is just my bias as a guy, I don't know, that many people are very quick to tell men that if they can't find a good woman it's probably their fault. While telling women the same thing is often seen as being offensive or misogynistic in some way.
What I notice is that these kinds of people, again both men and women, simply do not like to be held to any kind of standard. If anybody posts anything to do with the things they look for in a partner and these people don't fit the description they become hostile.
It comes from an arrogant sense of entitlement. It's the whole "you should like me for who I am, and if you don't you're wrong. I'm perfect as I am".
I see it as false, unfortunately we're i come from a lot of young men don't have much to offer. Some might have good jobs and cars etc but that's something i never cared about deep down and rejected them guys constantly and no one ever understood why.
Most guys in my area weather what they do with their life did not meet up with my standards as most are all going coke and cheating om their girlfriends.
I don't care what he brings to the table financially its always been can i rely on him to be there when i need him most and will he keep me safe.
I have a boyfriend now but i had to be extremely patient. He might not bring superficial things to the table most the time but he definitely brings ever lasting love and care to the table.
My middle sister is having this issue right now. She's amazing, sweet, kind and funny and extremely stunning. Sge gets a lot of male attention but still hasn't had a boyfriend going on 24. All the guys who are after her are junky weirdos.
Depends were your from i guess
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Some of these women have just had bad luck (my cousin has a kid who's father was done for sexual assault... she generally is more picky with guys as a lot of them treat her as a damsel in distress and thinks she wants someone to buy her stuff etc... but she just wants someone to talk to and not a new father for her kid)...
However, as much as I dont like admitting it, it can be true with the "there are no good man" debate. There are also of women who use this as a blanket statement and are also not willing to put anything into the relationship either (although it isn't a woman only thing) love and support is important, however if one person is putting all the financial support into a relationship, then the other party should also be adding to the household gain... even if they can't put in finance, domestic skills or other benefits are important and would be contributing to the common goal... Obviously, if both sides are putting in finance then both should be contributing to other jobs. (There are so many people that dont know how to do domestic skills )
@David_Kek she was knocked up by this guy, and due to 6 doctors telling her she would never have children as she had nasty levels of cervical cancer in which they messed up treating the first time round, she kept the child (who the father does not know existed) and raised it on her own... especially after multiple miscarriages, this kid was a medical miracle which she almost miscarried multiple times throughout the pregnancy
Oh i thought you meant he was convicted later. In that case her being a single mother is completely her fault. There's such a thing as an accidental pregnancy, there isn't such a thing as accidental motherhood. She made the choice to be a single mother the moment she found out she was pregnant without a father to raise it, and still made the choice to keep it. The state of her fertility or fear that it'd be the only chance she ever has to have a child is irrelevant. She made the choice to be a single mother. Luck did not decide that for her, she did.
@David_Kek that wasn't even the point of my comment in the first place... the point was sometimes women dont have a good time with guys... and you've turned this into a personal attack for no reason... you are a sad man
Everyone has a bad time with members of the opposite sex, that doesn't mean anything. Lots of women get raped every day, and lots still have the ability to make wise choices and take responsibility for them. The example you gave was of a woman who made the choice to be a single mother. If she can't find a descent guy then that's not men's fault, it is her fault for bringing some other guys kid to the table and still thinking she's in a position to be picky. That's isn't men, and it isn't luck, it's her piss poor choices. There's a reason why few men will settle down with a single mother, because generally single mothers are insane. Your cousin who thinks she's in a position to be picky after fucking her life up, is an example of one.
You called me "an awful human being" and "a sad man" merely for stately the fact that your example of bad luck is actually just bad choices. And i'm the one responding with personal attacks? I simply don't care for your emotional arguments if they're going to be illogical, and yours are. That's not a personal attack, it's an attack of your argument, being that your cousin has a bad time with guys because she's unlucky. No, that's not how life works.
That's false... the two are not related. Usually the women who say that are the ones who have a lot to offer, but they can't manage to find someone to share it with and they're frustrated. That was my experience until I found my boyfriend. He and I have been together for 8 months now, but before him, I didn't think good men existed because all the ones I knew weren't worth anything. They had baby mamas, child support, no education, half of them cheated on their girlfriends/wives, or they were just all around lazy, but the one thing they all had in common is that they thought highly of themselves for not accomplishing much. Sorry, but I'd rather be single than date most of the guys that are available. Honestly, most of them are trash. Even the good guys that make awesome partners agree with that statement, my boyfriend included. He works in construction, and all the construction workers talk horribly about the women they're with and they're cheaters and liars. One of them actually asked him if he was just with me to see what 'black poon tasted like' (he's white, I'm black).
Men in general need to start accepting that women are not the main reason relationships these days are hard. It's men, too. A lot of guys have these high expectations of women (look good, cook, clean, give birth without gaining weight, look young forever because we all know that shit is possible) but they offer nothing in return and have the nerve to ask a woman to pay for half of the first date. Kick rooooooooooooooocks.
Basically true. I keep to myself these days, but in my younger days, I used to mix it up with a lot of different women.
I know a lot of good women who have jobs, their own business, very educated and take really good care of themselves... but they can't find decent men. They don't complain about being single or bash all men. They carry on with their lives and work hard, because they are focused. They know the right man will come along eventually and will add value to their lives. These are the women that are catches.
On the flipside... I know women who have Onlyfans, are strippers, party a lot, smoke weed and twerk on Instagram all day. These women are the ones you are talking about. They have absolutely NOTHING to contribute to a relationship and continuously complain about men. These women have a high school education and work non-skilled jobs and complain about men all day. These are the ones that want a great man and wonder why they can't find love and complain about men. These are the ones you don't want.
No. You missed the boat. Yeah those stripper ones have nothing to offer... BUT also the ones who are just working hard also have nothing to offer. They dont know how to cook or clean or care for kids if they are even young enough to have them. They aren't worth dating either. Id rather date a stripper than a career woman tbh. Neither is going to make a great family and home life but the stripper will at least be hella fun to waste time with.
@bamesjond0069 You missed the boat, my friend. You said:
"the ones who are just working hard also have nothing to offer. They dont know how to cook or clean or care for kids if they are even young enough to have them."
100% false. I've dated a ton of women who are hard workers and know how to provide. This isn't the 1950s. Men AND women should know how to cook, clean and look after their kids. This isn't a role specifically for women. If you think that cooking and cleaning is the only valuable things a woman should bring to the table, you are lost.
You said: "Id rather date a stripper than a career woman tbh. Neither is going to make a great family and home life but the stripper will at least be hella fun to waste time with."
Case and point. You can go ahead and date a stripper. Hope you have fun with their craziness, laziness, mental breakdowns and constantly leaching of you for money or cheating on you.
Im a multimillionaire. I see no difference between a girl that sits on the couch all day and one who works all day. At least the one on the couch is there for me if need her.
When you become of higher quality yourself, you’ll notice that the women you’re describing start to disappear. They start to become invisible for the fact that quality women start to make themselves more and more available. I’m 26 years old and the quality of women that give me attention today in comparison to my old broke 20 year old self is substantial.
Find your passion, pursue it, obsess about it, and succeed in it. Along the way, acquire assets, be your own boss, and find your inner masculine core. These are all intertwined with your masculinity. The more masculine you are, the more feminine and submissive they become towards you.
Typically if a man is complaining about women being useless or bitchy with them, then it means that the man is acting feminine himself. As a result, the woman resents him subconsciously, and therefore doesn’t respect him or feel attraction towards him.
So instead of bitching or blaming the world of women as a whole for these things, take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself if you exude confidence and a strong masculine presence. Or is it that you reek of insecurity, failures, and lost dreams/aspirations.
I’ve been on both sides, and I can tell you that it’s much more fun to be fucking rich and have women working for your attention.
In my interactions with both men and women, I find that there is a culture of short cuts when it comes to building relationships. People aren't really getting to know themselves and what they would like to get from their partners. As far as 'gender roles' are concerned, I think we need to unpack this a little more In Steve Harvey's book- think like a man, he talks about the man being able to do 3 things- the 3Ps- Profess, Provide, Protect. Profess- A man should be able to say with certainty and confidence the status of your relationship. Women should be able to do this as well. Protect- the Man's role is to protect his family not only from physical harm but also emotional and mental harm too. I think women should also be an intrinsic part of this. Provide- while there are monetary implications to this, it also means creating a positive environment for your partner to thrive. I also think women should also be able to be a part of this.
If you are not ready to contribute in any of these 3 ways ( which are the bare minimum) whether you are a man or a woman, you are not equipped to have a partner yet. As far as cooking and cleaning is concerned- as an adult, whichever gender you belong to, and are unable to do that, learn. It is a life skill and in my opinion, a sign of incompetence.
Hmm i notice a lot of women here are not be honest most of what you said is true. I am the typle of guy women love to talk to because am a good listener and really kind to the point i hate myself sometimes. I think the main reason women have trouble finding a good guy is becuase they dont just want a good guy. Women often have a check list and if a guy doesn't check off everything they won't date him. Women often won't apologize when they fuck up in a relationship would rather dump you and find someone also. Most women go for fuck boys which is why many guys become fuckboys. I known so many women that stay with shit guys who done unforgivable things that its sicken then turn around n bitch where are all the good men. One of my friend is currently a single mom now since her boyfriend cheated on her for the 3rd time with a underage girl then dumped her. I told her from day one this was the kind of guy she was but she refused to listen even after he left her for 2 years to rasie their kid by herself. I could go on for days with stories from women and i just dont understand why they put up with fuckboys.
I also disagree with waiting till marriages for sex it isn't worth it. I did that once girlfriend parents said we couldn't date anymore mind you this was a 22 year old girl she then gos n fucks the very next guy she sees. Men naturally want sex its how we were made by god am not waiting 10-15 years till i find a good women for sex isn't not worth it. I known a girl who girlfriend dumped him 4 months from their wedding end up finding out she was fucking someone's behind his back. So he wait 6 years for sex for no reason
Fuuuuk... I don't know about all this but I legit just want a woman who's cute, slim, and has a good personality.
I just think men and women aren't on the same page when it comes to relationships...
Men= we just want a nice woman to have a long term companionship with.
Women=
Fuck I don't know. It just seems like women are caught in this frenzy where they want total gender equality, while also still receiving all of the benefits of being a woman. Basically, guys just have your basic expected set of standards, while women also have your basic expected set of standards, in addition to this, that, etc, etc, etc...
Everyone has something to offer. It's just about finding the right match I guess. I also think the ladies do need to get over the whole "guy making less than me thing" . Like, if he works full time and pulls his weight then who cares? Things like that are just petty in my opinion.
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Yes and no. There are still some really great women to be found. They are out there but they are usually not the most vocal women, so the loudest voices we usually hear are from the shitty women that make of the majority today.
For example, see the link below. This woman is intelligent, well educated and yet has a great attitude toward men and relationships. These women do exist, they are just hard to find today.
Unfortunately, most women today have indeed forfeited the majority of their value to men. Most of today's women have reduced their value to mostly just sex and child bearing, as described in the original question. They complain about men only wanting sex and not being interested in commitment, we DUH! What the fuck do you expect?
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I find anyone, male or female, that says there are 100% no good men or women out there, has most definitely been hurt really bad in the past and is using it as a crutch to then claim it's everyone's fault in the world because a happy relationship didn't just fall in their laps like a fairy tale. If at first you don't succeed, try, and try again or at least give yourself time to heal and deal before trying to hop into another relationship. This notion that there is no one out there, is ridiculous. The world is filled with billions of people. Open your eyes!
I said true. This actually made me think about that. Personally i'm in the tech field, i network hard and go to events, and i come across very educated men (those in STEM are usually my type). If you bring something to the table, you tend to surround yourself with the men who are also at your level.
If i'm making 200k a year as a software engineer, why the fuck would i be in a position to be around dope dealers, men with babymamas, men who can't afford anything, etc? That makes no sense. i surprisingly agree with this post.
However, i'd like to make clear i don't agree with the picture you posted. I only agree with the statement that most who complain, don't bring what they're looking for to the table.
They are also within they're right to reject a man who may work hard, but isn't in their tax bracket. That's completely fair. I think you're bitter about the wrong part of this, but your core stance is correct.
I do agree with a lot of what you said. I've even noticed that too throughout my own years of meeting different women. Often times the ones who complain about men the most are the ones with the least to offer men yet want men to put up with their shit. And they are also often the ones who've slept with badasses, having their fill of them, being burned by them, and then ready to talk about where are the good men. Who actually were right there in front of you but you rejected them because you didn't think they were masculine or tough enough.
Absolutely TRUE!!! The majority of women who say this are the feminists and women who simply applied that label without knowing the modern definition. What man wants those women? No man. The men who did not find the right woman early enough move on with their positive lives while the left-over feminists complain that no man wants to be with them. Those women have nothing good to bring to the table. They are ugly, they don't know how to love, they don't know how to be mothers, some are too old to have kids, etc.
I think the real women who can’t bring anything to the table are women who cannot support themselves so they only date rich men. Nobody cares about how many rooms you can clean If you lack intelligence , education and responsibility over your own life. Rich successful accomplished men are looking for more than a maid. They want a women with things going on in her life. They want a woman who they can actually share an intelligent conversation with. Rich guys can hire maids , they don’t need a maid wife
In general, when a person say there's no good men or women anymore, either are people who have a high standards for the other sex but hold low standards for themselves, or they are damaged by their poor choices in partners.
About the photo you posted, it made me cringe a bit. I guess it's because my model of relationship is quite different from that. I'm more of splitting house chores and economical responsibilities equally with my partner, in agreement of both sides, of course.
I'm damaged by meddling third parties. That... and seeming to always find the girl that's doomed. One dead, one dying last I saw of her, one in China that I can't get to anymore, two that didn't work out in the Philippines, one that turned out to be a thot, and another that turned out to be a dangerous sociopath. Two others abandoned me to join hate groups. One that I was interested in at work turned out to be politically incompatible, and another is the store director's daughter, so that's a no go. Another I was interested in would rather be a cat lady. So I try to be purposefully single until something improves.
Your "She brings Nothing to the Table" quote is obviously from a place of bitterness. It is true women do less today than they did in the past, but so do men. It Americas past agrarian society men would work long days sun up to sun down in the field while women worked long hours in the home preparing meals, which took hours, and cleaning which filled the day. The urbanization of society slowly lead to lower work weeks and easier jobs for men, while inventions like the dishwasher, washing machine, more premade meals, and better refrigeration lower household chores giving women more time. The most beautiful women I met were hard workers at the job I work at, there are lazy slobs in both genders. This prompt is a popular rom com or sit com quote, but not a reality.
I think anyone who complains that there are no good women are not quality men themselves. If you were so cool, you would’ve gotten a woman rather than bitching about them. I don’t respect men who judge a woman’s value off her maid services. You love a woman because of who she is, not her job or her hobbies
That is very untrue. When a women complains there are no good men out there, you must think that maybe the last guy she was with may have put her through hell. Maybe he cheated, or maybe he only wanted one thing from her. There is a possibility that she did bring something to the relationship table, it's just the guy didn't treat her right, at all.
Honestly, I hate when women say that. I think you're right. Why are you complaining the "he dont do shit" what are you doing? Do you have a job, pay your own Bill's, or do you depend on a man for that. Be your own person.
I can only speak from my personal experience. I had a friend like that but she was also really bad at making decisions, would often jump to conclusions and assume the worst. It was very difficult to tell her she was part of the problem. She wasn't hearing it. So I can't say that's true of anyone else. But it seems others have had similar experiences.
I've heard your argument before and I would like to say that I have a different opinion.
It seems to me that the women, and men, who complain that there are no good women or men left, are those that have unrealistic standards and preferences.
Women and men can bring things to the table besides sex.
no, they've been hurt and their limited view is there are no good men available... all are taken. to me it's a defense mechanism to justify their feelings. it may be true to a degree as their perspective filters out better guys and draws not good. there are a lot of poorly trained males and a large number of spoiled ones in this generation (by females).
If anything that I've learned on dating apps is some will help keep the conversations going very well and some don't at all. I think it's the same here, for some women that's true but that sure as heck doesn't account for all. There are still good women out there I promise you
It's false! The woman that complain about no good men has lived bad experiences and surrounded herself with the wrong guys, same with men who think there are no good women. I guess it's all about what you expect from the other person. The high expectations could be a problem in any relationship.
A women who has multiple children from multiple men is clearly doing something wrong. A women that doesn't want a man that makes less than her also is. That is not a good reason to rule out a partner.
But I think everyone that has bad luck at love complains that there are no good ones left. Not just women. Men are to blame for this too.
"there are no good X out there" is mainly used by people who aren't getting/finding exactly what they want and don't like making compromises. They're likely the type that don't realize that either their expectations are too many/too high or that it's hard to find someone 'perfect' to fit exactly what they're looking for.
That might be the case for some but others likely genuinely have been unlucky in finding a man who respects them for who they are. Maybe they have had a history of abuse or a tendency to notice the bad in bad people because of their experience, making it hard to open up to people, especially men.
The same can be said of men nowadays with the case of women.
Your problem is lumping ALL women into the same category. "Some women" fit your profile, not all. Sorry to say, but speaking strictly from observation, staying away from women who have tattoos down an entire arm, part of their leg, and in their cleavage, and are single moms... seems to be a wise move these days.
If you just have sex with her, find someone like you who also just have sex with you instead of looking pure, innocent, less sexually experienced women, otherwise you are hypocritical
@hi_it_is_me123 i still fail to see the hypocrisy though. if i only desired virgin like women, why would that make me a hypocritic? It's not like i am a woman
I personally think virgins should only date virgins but that is my personal opinion. I just think it is hypocritical to look down upon on promiscuous women but a man can sleep around without judgement. I dont know , it sounds wrong to me to want something from your partner, that you even dont have it yourself.
On the other hand, i think it is ok if the promiscuous man dont date the woman just because she is not promiscuous and so he does not care if she is virgin or promiscuous
@hi_it_is_me123 the problem is, men and women aren't the same, and they never will be. People look down on promiscuous women and up at promiscuous women, on the bases one is easy for one sex, one is a great difficulty for the other. I don't look down on women with a promiscuous past, because a persons past is just there to tell you how they got here. It's the person here that i'm interested in. Give me a promiscuous woman in the here and now who's just interested adding notches to her bed post, and notches and possibly friendship is all i'd be interested in offering her.
But the outcome is same. It is does not matter if you have it easy or hard to have sex, in the end you have sex. I mean ugly, fat and old women have it also hard or handsome men have it easy but people would not judge handsome men who have it easy
@hi_it_is_me123 At the end of the day we're talking of supply and demand. I mean it's not called the meat market for nothing, because it is an economic market of flesh for flesh. At the end of the day sex exists for reproduction, and in humans we have over 500 inseminations for every pregnancy for the sole reason we have sex not merely just for conception, but to judge and compare potential partners. The simple fact of the matter is, it's a lot easier for a man to get into a relationship than it to just have lots of "free" sex with many female partners. Why? Because all women view their Mr Right (aka the man deemed desirable to have a child with) in the top 10-20% of men (not in terms of wealth, but everything deemed "desirable"). And the women that can't afford to trap said a man, will settle for a lesser man to have a couple kids with, and maybe a 3nd one with said men they can afford. Men on the other hand view their Mrs Right in the top 80% of women. That unequal supply and demand, results in unequal value. Said rare 10-20% man can have his pick, while said 80% women have to compete with 3 to 7 other women for their Mr Right. That's why it's different.
@hi_it_is_me123 Back when I was a virgin, it was a turn off to every girl I dated. I had to pretty much lie my way into having sex and tell her I wasn't a virgin.
My opinion towards this is that today's generation people not only girls in fact boys like everyone thinks that hookups is just very normal in these days. people have sslry forgotten real love. Like yes everyone is having a thing of having sex. But everyone is just running behind sex. Not just boys but even girls do it they just want no strings attached.
Yes, probably true. But the opposite is also true. There are tons or worthless dudes out there. This is why people should just set up gloryholes. Get a quick dick fix and move on.
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By good men they mean some patsy that will overlook their increasingly hagged out looks, sloth-like bodies, problem children and lack of marketable skills and "rescue" them providing Cinderella-like romance to sooth the traumas they experienced as a result of their bad choices
The problem with this is that your trying to force old gender norms into an evolved society. Men can do domestic work and women can build a career. Unless you expect women to be a submissive house wife for you, what are actually looking for, because what you claim to think and how you formed this question don't seem to match leading a lot of women to call you out on it lol.
Cooking, cleaning, providing an income, love... Both genders should be able to provide equally (unless there is some sort of agreement where the woman does this and the man does that).
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I am trying to force gender norms on no one. If you read the first part of my question.. Not just the image, it becomes clear what i mean.. The women that typically complain that there are no good men out there, typically are the ones that have nothing what so ever to offer other than sex.. And typically they bring along things like Extreme debt, and multiple children with multiple fathers.. Both of which are 100% her choice. She chose her path, She chose to become a "low quality woman"..
You're still not answering the question though as to what you're looking for. Instead, you seem to be dodging it and just repeating yourself. Can I also just state that there are men who also have debt, also have STDs, etc. How is that a woman problem?
It was not my question to answer. Remember i am the original poster.. its not my job to answer my own question.. On that same token, Im married. Im not looking for anyone.
Ofc it's true. These women who bitch and whine that all the good guys are gone? They look like shit and act like shit, because they are shit, and still they have the audacity to make demands. What they should be is grateful that some guys would consider fucking them when drunk, the stupid cunts.
I have asked on GAG many times, "what do you offer besides sex" to several women. What do I get as a reply? ***Chirping Crickets***
On some level most modern women know they have little to nothing to offer a man. Women have been coasting on their "brand", but the brand has begun to fade and the lack of value is shining through.
Yeah, whenever a girl asks why guys only want her for sex and I ask her that I get the same reaction. I think they're taught that guys should just like them as they are, as well as feminism teaching them that they shouldn't do anything for the express pleasure their man - to reject male ("patriarchal") standards. And for some reason they can't see that that's why that happens so much to them, so they continue to try to use sex as the lure, ensuring that it continues to happen.
i think it's hard to judge how "good" or "bad" a man is in the context of whether he would be a good boyfriend when the guy is single.
when you see your girlfriend's dates and see how well they are treated you can really see if a guy is a gentleman. but in courtship how can you tell if a guy is genuinely good or if he just wants to get into your panties?
I'd say False only because there are legitimate interesting, rich and powerful women out there who believe a "good man" is one that isn't below her in status. In short what women believe makes a good man good, is different from what men think a good man is.
Technically they're right: there are no good men for THEM. They want men who check all the contradicting boxes, like being a wild animal in bed, being gentle outside the bedroom, making a lot of money but also bring generous with his money, etc. Look, if we treat them like cumrags in the bedroom, you best believe that's how we think of them. A truly nice guy who isn't pretending, will always be terrible at sex.
The one's who say "there are no good men out there", tend to ignore the good men for abusive men because those are the traits they are used to going after. So it is not a matter of if they bring anything to the table, but they just need to realize where they are faulting when looking for a man
Well I can admit, I don’t bring anything to the table and I’m totally fine with that. I’m not actively seeking a relationship right now but if I was, I doubt there’d be anyone suitable for taste. That’s just my personal truth and I own it.
Reading that story "she brings nothing to the table" that title is just wowed me what do that writer thinks about himself aha yes for sure he doesn't comes from a woman's womb aha he must be a robot I supposed rather that I can think of any reason.
False. I have a college education, a great sense of humor, I love to play board games and make them not boring, I love children and take care of them, I have two awesome friends
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That is what I'm talking for a while.
You forgot to mention women who live on welfare ( do not know how to cook, work, look after kids or home) with multiple kids from multiple women and expect to be treated at same level as career women who got to very, sometimes unachievable to most level, but sacrificed family and kids for it...
Not necessarily. There are a lot of good women who were just unlucky enough to have bad experience after bad experience with men, which causes them to have a warped perception of men in general.
When women complain there are no good men out there it is essentially them admitting they are incapable of getting the quality men to date them. Aka they openly say out loud they are low quality women.
A lot of men are players, that's why there are no good men. A lot of men like to cook now too. Since women now make their own money, what do YOU have to offer a woman?
That is the key issue here, men are supposed to offer stability. So that the women is relieved of the burden of constant labour and can raise the family while perhaps earning some money on the side by doing something she enjoys. This was functional because men usually don't mind working and women don't mind the house hold. If you want to do the job stuff that would not work with guys like me. I love my job but I hate running the house hold and can't do my job part time. So we simply would not be compatible. But if you do rather raise the family then suddenly what I offer makes a lot of sense since it takes the other responsibilities off your shoulders.
It's never been about what men and woman can do. We can ultimately do the same. It's about what we can do the best and what we like to do. That is when we compliment each other rather than competing.
@sawno whatever someone wants to do is their choice. But the author insinuates that women who do not follow the 1950's housewife model are useless to men. Are men following the 1950's man model of going into the workforce early and marrying in their early 20's? No, they are not. Men today like to play the field and settle down later in life, so there's a double standard. Women today go to school and find a career because they don't want to relay on a man to make or break their life.
To me its a bit more complicated then that, but it does tie in my philosophy that school is the bigger issue behind all this. Its wasting a massive amount of valuable time and experience effectively delaying childhood to your 20's. Your 20's are your teens now for many people which is why the real settling happens an equal amount later. Not all men sleep around, i for example don't. But the fact women are forced to work towards a career and everyone is forced the same level of mandatory education is causing a lot of these issues that dis-harmonize the balance that used to work.
If women do not wish to solely rely on men that is fine, its always good to have the skills to have a backup plan in case things go sour. But to me the ultimate end goal should still be to form a functional loving partnership between two loving adults that compliment each other in life. But with an education system this skewed and social horizons being broadened this much people are pushed to much towards their 30's to really begin with life. Causing a lot of the problems we see here as that is to close to the need to start with children biologically.
@sawno I agree that school waste time when we should be looking for partners. But I guess there's nothing we can do about it. And our parents time, they didn't have to go to college. Now we do and that's wasting four to six years of our lives. but I still need think women need college and skills because if something happens in a relationship where her husband leaves her or cheats or whatever, she will be left with nothing
I actually do have strategies regarding that, i may write a mytake about it some day but the basic premise is a overhaul of the education system so that once you passed elementary school you can get training on demand in a style that fits what you want to achieve. Traditional classical education would no longer be mandatory and merely an option. That way teens can specialize early and become experts in their field learning in a way they want most. Or they can just explore around and see what they enjoy first hand. That dramatically increases the efficiency and quality of the education to the point that by the time they are 20 they are capable of working a job while if needed learning a bit on the side as they go. It would restore a working social dynamic and it allows for more rapid scaling. Suddenly need a new skill? You can learn it at any time without commitment. Life changed and its not a priority? You can stop immediately or just pick it up later. Then we will see a lot of this being fixed automatically.
It would extend far beyond it, elementary is needed because you need the basics to participate in the system but then it is open. And its not just career stuff to. Imagine Ebay mixed with a job vacancy website, a market place of knowledge. Employers list what skills they require, you can click on them and get a listing of anyone that can teach you, their ratings and the methods they use. Classical education can list their education paths there to. What you choose to learn is up to you. So if you want to expand on your elementary skills you can, but if you don't want and need to and rather be a chef for example then you'd start specializing in food instead of math.
Trualse, this is a complicated issue and domestic skills are not a good mesure of quality in a individual. Personality, morals and beliefs are what should be focused on in a potential partner.
True, not that you're likely to get those women to admit it. I've never heard any woman that's worth her salt complain about there not being good men out there. Like attracts like, it's one of the fundamental laws of the universe.
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You’re part of the reason why women say this Women just want to be treated as a human being
A woman’s vagina isn’t your property A woman isn’t your property She isn’t your cook She isn’t your sewing expert She is your partner - your equal and your companion and someone you share resources with to promote the survival of the human race... IF SHE CHOSES
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