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In my experience, I used to believe actually girls were typically more mature than men, I guess in part because I bought into the girls' own self proclaimed maturity status. If you ask me now, I think girls are just a bunch of arrogant idiots in similar percentage as men's. It seems that girls call immature what they don't like or what does not suit their female brain wiring. Ex, if a man speaks his mind bluntly and rudely, he's immature and violent, if a girl does, she's a progressive, liberated, emancipated, modern, empowered, strong woman. And calling men immature it's a very typical and easy excuse they use to get away with their own sh*t and yet pretend not to be called on it. Example, just last week we were having a conversation and this guy was saying somethinggg, this girl just kept interrupting him saying 'you're not answering the question' and he kept saying 'if you let me finish I'll...' ' you're not answering the question' and so on, so finally the guy told her if she shuts the f*** up and give him a chance to say what he's got to say maybe he can have a chance to answer the question. Guess who was named the typical immature boy in a man's body? And guess who had the typical violent male with aggressive behavior , even though the girl told him 'i felt I wanted to smash your head'.
because they usually mature 2 years sooner than us.
hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahah lol hahahahahahahahha
wow I needed a laugh so specific two years that's great
why is that immature, what's immature about it
ok in what way does that make you immature, I guess I can say the same about people that say the past is the past, they assume there are no consequences for their actions, what kind of fairy tale reality are they living in
never said anything about a double standard that was your own assumptions thanks for projecting kid
The women are probably hurt; and maybe feel defensive especially if it's about sexual history.
Like how would you feel if the girl you really liked said she didn't want sex with you anymore because it wasn't satisfying?
You'd get alll hurt and defensive, and start slurring out insults, because men feel insecure when they can't sexually provide for a women -
And women feel insecure if she feels like she's being labeled as a whore or slut, because her boyfriend highlights her sexual history.
I think men talking about women's sexual history can be hypocritical, as a good amount of guys have multiple previous partners. Why is it fair men can have colorful sexual histories, but can ridicule women for having the same?
So maybe that's how she felt and why those women called you those things.
no I would say thank you for being honest and buy every book on sex I can get my hands on, I fix problems I don't wallow in pity I'm a man not a metro sexual bitch. I guess its because men instinctual want to be with more women and be with women that have been with no to little men, I guess you can say the double standard is as natural as sex.
I love this answer! it's a double standard. that's what it all comes down to. I, as a women, won't deny I've even been judgmental of women with very lively sexual pasts. I guess I kind of feel like men are expected to be pigs with little or no self control over their sex drives, but women, after seeing the sad, destructive, unhealthy, self limiting results of sexual activity (unexpected pregnancies, STD's, getting cheated on, being used as if ...
she has no other purpose than to fulfil the sexual desires of a man, ect), should know by now and really understand. but I mean hey, if there's some girl out there who just wants to get f*cked and come by many guys, who am I to judge!
btw is that profile pic Michael Jackson?
im actually pretty sure that stems from evolution. if a female has sex with multiple males, that is reproductively inefficient. if a male has sex with many females, he can impregnate them all potentially and pass down his genetic legacy
yeah I don't see the double standard as a double standard I see it as being human seeing how we evolved this way and we are human, all I know is cave men most likely didn't have to deal with this kind of crap, id much rather be fishing with a stick and tracking a deer for three days to feed my family I find that stuff to be incredibly enjoyable
Well as far as evolution - yea men are hard wired to breed like there's no tommorow, but as far as benefiting the population; rearing off spring is somethingg humans do naturally; it's harder for a male to ensure his young survive, if there are too many of them; hence the reason men eventually settle down. Plus, self-control is somethingg that seperates humans from wild animals, and the ability to reason with the situation.
of course I agree settle down but with the kind or women you are programmed to trust not one of these women today
Obviously it doesn't make sense logically, to have dozens of children running around belonging to the male. A male's instinct as a parent is to protect and aid in the rearing of his young; it's a hefty challenge if there's too many kids - so why it's good biologically for males to over breed for reproductive matters, it lacks grace in senses of human child rearing and reasoning. Men could produce thousands of children, but most do only 2-5 for that reason.
Plus, there are women who have sex drives just as high, or higher than males; they are born this way, and it is natural for these women. As natural as sex. She wants to breed, and she will. I think things would be way more under control sexually though within society, if birth contraceptives were never invented. It gives people reason to have sex for fun as opposed for nature. But humans are known for manipulating nature for our own selfish needs.
So using " nature," is just an excuse for men to be slutty. Besides that point;
@QA thanks and you'd go buy a sex book, and fix the sexual problem, because you feel insecure about your sexual performance because of what she told you. You don't have to wallow in man pity to feel insecure about that. And I respect a guy who tries to fix things :)
Also, me and this guy got into a discussion about the same thing, (women having multiple partners, men having multiple parts,) he said somethingg quite interesting;
" Men have a hard time identifying their young compared to women; we don't want to expell time and resources raising a child that may not be ours."
I don't know if this is scientifically proven, but it would make sense why guys would prefer a less seasoned partner.
But then again; women are quite possessive of our men, and it's bothersome to see him aiding in the rearing of another women's child. Nothing is more pathetic than a guy with multiple baby mamas, just as it's pathetic a women who has way too many sexual partners.
Eh, both sexes outta keep their sexual endeavors to a minimum...
Lol sorry about all the post - GAG needs to add more characters to the comment box.
@ Freetobe007
Lol no, she's a vampire I drew with blood dripping out of her mouth.
@QA
Think about it this way:
Lets say you really like chocolate; there's a group of people who get all the chocolate they want, but you can't. Why? lets say because your name doesn't begin with an S, somethingg stupid like that.
You'd be pissed right? You'd want some damn chocolate lol, but you can't have any because your not apart of that group;
So in society, men can have all the sex they want (thanks to contraceptives,) without much hell for it, because they belong to a certain group.
Women are socially forbidden and ridiculed for wanting to enjoy sex as men get to enjoy. We want chocolate too, why can't we have any?
See what I mean? It's human nature to want equality and share in the same benefits. To forbid women from taking part equally, and ridicule them isn't right.
i never said it was an excus I just said how it is
also women on average have ten times less testosterone the chemical most responsible for use getting horny so though I agree that some girls will have a higher sex drive then some men, the average women will a sex drive far lower. I agree its stupid to have that many kids but as we evolved there was a higher mortality rate so they may have been necessary then. The cake analogy was an almost because you let out the fact that on average the people that get the cake crave cake ten times as much
Yea testosterone and estrogen are responsible for horniness in the sexes. Men tend to release more of their sex hormone however, than the average women - which makes sense because of the hard wired to breed thing. But the cake thing was to show that in society, since the invention of contraceptives, makes sex somethingg more available for fun/entertainment. Women aren't allowed to enjoy though because we aren't men, and it isn't socially acceptable, which isn't fair because women want to enjoy it
also estrogen does not make a women horny in a significant way that's what testosterone does
Yea, but that's still no excuse to go around plowing every hot girl (even though the urge is strong).
im not arguing that, I never said that was acceptable
I know, but men always use the " oh it's just how we're made" excuse for it. I'm just making a statement about that.
well I do find it acceptable for a man to have more sex partners but there is a limit I would say twice as muchish is fine after that its just asking to much you aslo have to realize that men hit their sexual peak at a young age when theyr are naive and short sighted a women doesn't hit hers till she's in her mid 30s so it is a little different in that aspect the nature of the temptation its would be like men asking women to not have a period sure they can keep clean but they are women
Yea, but even at that young age, a lot of young men have self control; they aren't just screwing every girl they can get their hands on. It's all a matter of mentality; some guys can't handle how their bodies are feeling, some guys just come to term with it and adjust quite maturely. Humans have been overriding natural urges for decades; I feel men manipulate nature to excuse their slutty behavior " It's just how we're made." Should guys have a little slack? sure, but not twice as much...
wat exactly is your question? you are talking about particular women.. women you were with? why do you keep dating women with many past lovers if it bothers you. are you sure you are not looking for someone to feel superior to. are you sure you don't love rejecting women & you can't do it on looks because that reflects poorly and u, that can't date attractive women. same thing with crazy.. o. you want to be with women who guys desire, s you can reject the, because you are more mature.
i think if you keep encountering this problem you should probably see someone for it. tell the therapist, you are perseverating, and it is intefering with healthy adult relationships.
Everyone goes through immaturity, but men tend to show extremely immature behavior even as adults like 30's 40's.
How can you expect women to answer for another women that we don't even know? lol why don't you just ask her why she called you immature?
well this happens a lot with women with a colorful history, its been more before the relationship gets serious and when I tell them I would like to no longer see each other because of their relationship and non relationship history they call me immature, sexist, bigoted lots of insulting things when I think I am just being very adult about things by not leading people on and vocalizing my concerns but do women only like that when it benifits them
Well based on the small information you've given, some women may just say that because it makes them feel better about the fact that they're being rejected because of their past. Yet if it's a pattern among women you deal with and quite a few of them are calling you immature, sexist, and bigoted, then there's probably a solid reason you keep getting called those things.
YOU may believe that you're just being very adult about things by not leading these women on, but depending on what you're dismissing her for, to her it may make you come off as an immature, close minded, bigoted, sexist jerk.
no that's the thing since I was about 16 older people have been telling me how mature and worldly I think it has a lot to do with my child hood which I had to fight to survive even my high school teachers on the last day of school told me they think I will be by far the most successful person of my class for how I see the world. I only get called immature when I deal with these women and it pertains to their sexuality, is there a rule we are supposed to accept what is placed in front of us?
the fact that you haven't disclosed all of the info makes me wonder if you're trying to keep the spotlight on "women calling men immature" to make sure if you possibly were being "immature, sexist, and bigoted,", you don't get called out for it.
I'm sure you know there's no rule that says you have to accept what's right in front of you. What is it exactly that happened? What is it that you've excluded them from your romantic possibilities for?
hmm, no condom sex of any nature. swallowing, threesomes things like this, come in the vagina or on her body. I don't think this is being unreasonable.
also many partners or what I deem to be a relationship of excess length
I can see things through both of your perspectives. You, by expressing your genuine thoughts and feelings, probably made her feel less than respectable and sh*tty about somethingg she can't change so she may have just tried to hurt your feelings because you hurt hers. I've noticed some guys seem to be very teritorial over girls when it comes to sexual pasts and sexual experience. Some don't care because they've had a lot of sexual experience or it just doesn't bother them, but...
You're not the first guy I've heard display similar thoughts. What's up with that?
"many partners or what I deem to be a relationship of excess length" I don't really see how this would affect you or why this should be some major issue to you?
well that's my girl so I have to accept the fact that she let another man have her body that many times, I find this to be to much to accept maybe if I had no options or was scared that's the last girl that would show interest in me but that's not my situation. It effects me in the sense that I have to live with that knowledge in my head, like I said I'm a man and we are programmed to not find this acceptable
I can see how that would p*ss you off. I get pissed off just thinking about a guy I like or a guy who's about to become my boyfriend giving himself sexually to another female. I feel like a lot of sexual activity is just seen as experience as if it's some badge of honor. I don't think it is. So many people don't care about the fact that they are literately giving their bodies to someone. But yeah, men seem to feel that on a larger scale lol especially like Muslim guys or guys who...
were raised to believe that women shouldn't have a ton of sexual partners
if I was to be with a girl like that I would withold some of my love and not let myself give to much to her, I know myself and that's what I would do when I feel I am getting a raw deal I withhold performance and commitment to make the deal more even. I think this would be heightened seeing how these are my emotions were dealing with
well no I think that's every guy but most men deal with this situation by just saying OK that's how women are then I don't want kids or to get married, but I think that if I lived like that I would be very sad on my death bed.
im the kind of guy that goes for broke go big or go home because at least I can tell myself I tried
wow. I guess a lot of guys do fee lthat way, I just didn't know some would act on such extreme measures
whats extreme about this
in a sense we were given no other option
You shouldn't say "we" and speak for other men that you don't even know who may disagree with you. I have a ton of male friends and I know quite a few of them who wouldn't act the way you're acting about this. The way you're acting is extreme, like not giving a girl a chance because she has had a lot of partners for what YOU think may be a long time. wtf that doesn't even effect you lol
thats not extreme that's standards and I know a lot of men that disagree with me too but they all have the thing in common that they don't want kids or to be married, and tend to not be highly educated in real subjects
I think these are just basic request nothing that's out of their control its not like your asking them to make you a mountain that's a bit extreme
like I said it does effect me because I have knowledge of it and it will bother my ego and pride so it does effect me
if you're confident in your ability as a boyfriend and your sexual ability, then why should it effect your ego and pride? What? Are you insecure that a man in her past pleased her better than you may ever be able to so you just break it off with her to avoid a puncture to your ego?
I think you're behavior is extreme. You can say it's not, but in my opinion, it's extreme to not give someone a chance because they had a long relationship with someone. I'm going to think that no matter how many times you say it's extreme. You really should keep in mind that it's 2011. it's not the 1400's you gotta be realistic
no not that at all, just the fact that I'm committing myself to a women that's let other men have her, I has nothing to do with my performance
i understand that its 2011 but in 2011 marriage and life long partnership is no longer the norm, single mothers and serial monogamy is, so its that's being realistic I would rather be extreme
well if it has nothing to do with your performance then why do you insist that it effects you oh so much "because I have knowledge of it and it will bother my ego and pride so it does effect me". Why should it bother your ego and pride so much if there's nothing wrong with your performance? You seem to keep taking the spotlight off of the fact that you may be at fault over and over
hmmm no I just don't want to have any real commitment to a women that's given her body in what I deem to be an inappropriate amount. I would feel that I'm settling that's how it would effect my pride and ego its would effect how I see myself by settling on such an important issue your spouse is probably the most important decision you will make in your life. again its 2011 what's realistic is to not have children in a family setting to have them out of weedlock, to not stay married, and to have
a life long stream of partners, so if that's realistic then again I'm glad I'm extreme because the modern relationship and family of 2011 is the furthest thing from what I want for my life
the modern relationship and family of 2011 is a completely different seperate issue. my point in saying it's 2011 is for you to be realistic in the fact that most women are going to have had a wide ranged sexual past. we are in a generation now where most people all together are very sexually active. so you should be realistic. you don't seem immature, but very close minded.
youre separating the two, now whose being unrealistic
and yes I am close minded because I made up my mind about what kind of life I want to live and what kind of family I want and marriage I want and will put myself in the best possible position to see this become a reality so in that sense I am very close minded because I know what I want same as a women is close minded for not wanting to be part of a harem . you say close minded I say I know myself
I'm not separating the two. I'm just saying we are talkingg about two different things. I think that you just don't want to get your ego hurt so you stay away from women who may have had past partners that were able to please them better than you ever could. that's why you always take the spotlight off of you like saying I'm being unrealistic or talkingg about "well all men _______" no, it's just you. I have a ton of male friends and male cousins and not a lot of them are so narrow minded
no that's not it all I already told you, I've never been bad at anything academic or athletic so I doubt this is any different, thanks for trying but way off base
ok like I said I know guys that think opposite but they are also participants in modern relationships, like I said that's the furthest thing from what I want and in no way is that closed minded
i think driven or focused would be the right words actually
succeeding in academics/athletics and being successful and satisfying on a very high level sexually and in a relationship are two extremely different things that require different sets of traits. I'm convinced that you're just insecure deep down and being with an experienced woman might make you come face to face with the fact that you are not the best at pleasing a woman.
alright if that's what you need to do to excuse my point of view and many mens point of view then sure keep thinking that
stop trying to switch the topic to modern relationships while I'm trying to talk about why so many girls seem to think you're bigoted, close minded, and immature. "I doubt this is any different, thanks for trying but way off base" you doubt it is? but do you even really know? have you ever even done anything? wow. I'm convinced lol
ok you just don't understand you're not a man I wouldn't expect you too but anyways thanks for the help
I understand perfectly fine. I just don't think it's very sensible and logical.
that means you don't understand
I understand. Stop lying to yourself and saying I don't understand just because I didn't tell you what you want to hear or talk about how immature she is
if it doesn't make sense to you and seems illogical its because you don't understand but its OK I'm a horrible lover remember lets just go with that I'm done with you
omfg no, stop acting like you know everything. if you knew everything then you wouldn't have asked this question in the first place! I UNDERSTAND. Don't sit up here and try to tell me what I do and don't understand! I'm just saying you seem like a pretty sh*tty lover
the worst ever I actually have a two inch penis it makes me cry at night
I'm not surprised
ita actually a vagina and I'm so ugly no girl will ever want to be with me, I'm broke, have no care, and I have a small d***, my life is horrible hahahhahahahahahahahahahahah
why are you always so quick to reply? wtf are you just sitting in front of your computer screen all of the time? you're so immature lol no wonder why girls keep calling you immature you're showing me exactly why
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men are somtimes called that cos they fnd rude jokes funny and which lyke makes them really imiture wen infact they aree just havin a laff they wimen are more imatire tho in sum ways cince most cnt fight and protect themselfs in fights and for that need men 2 protect dem and so in sum ways m en are mor mature cos they need 2 look after wimen who in sum says are lyke kids in that they need to be looked after my men as the wimen are week and feble and cnt protect temselfs agaynst muggers and feefs who is triying to mug them off I think at the end of the day men and wimen are both mature and imiture in there own ways and which such makes them gd partners and m8s (but not lyke a guys m8 hoo you play football wiv and drink beer) but sol m8s and sex m8s hoo you act difrentely 2 most of year men mates if you no what I'm sayin?
yeah I speak english I can deal with no punctuation but come on man don't make me decipher a code
jst tryin 2 help fuksake sum people are so ung8ful
lol
there you go again with you blibaly blab
meh wtevr year loss
Women want to control men and most men don't know how they do it, that's why they call men immature. Guy to guy interaction is mostly positive and don't try to control each other in such a way, so in result don't learn such nasty tricks or aren't even bothered for the most part. Deep down inside women are the ones who are really immature, craving for attention all the time, yes I do find women as crazy human beings. Healthy human beings aren't attention seekers and focus more on strength as a unity. That's why male to male friends are stronger in the long run.
EACH gender has sh*tty people in it, it's not just one or the other. Not every woman calls men immature, and not every guy whines like a little bitch like you. Games are for immature people, just because you have some frustration don't take it out like a whiney little child.
what whos whining just telling it like it is
Yeah,ok.
men... they can be serious if they need to be.. but when they are off duty, they can be idiots. They have a lot of TOYS. I'm not talking about sex toys, but perhaps, a video game collection, comic collection, card collection, collectable action figures. Stuff that appears to be childish to many women, but it's truly their way of keeping themselves entertained.
I don't get your question.
Did you turn some girl down because of her sexual history and so she called you immature?
yes
It would depend on how you dealt with it.
I mean you guys may have been sexually incompatible because you had different views and that would be a valid reason for a split but if you say name called or made her feel wrong about her hostory then I would see why she would think of you as immature.
i just said I didn't want to be with her
That's what immature people do...
i was thinking the same thing
omg no that is not true. someone is not immature just because they call someone out on being immature. considering he hasn't disclosed all of the details, you shouldn't jump into calling the girl immature when you don't even know if she had a legitimate reason to call him immature in the first place
i gave you all the details there is do you want to know what I wear when I break up of what I did that day there really is nothing left to say
you gave me all of the details but he answered with that before you even showed them
ooooooo ok
Because many of them are.
and women arent
Actually, for the most part, most women are very mature
no they are not, just as mature as men, but men are better drivers, lol anyways I asked why do they call them immature for not accepting her past, I don't see hw that's immature
LOL, men are not better drivers. Women getter better car insurance rates because men are more likely to fool around & get into a car accident. And that is a fact, not an opinion.
i know that doesn't mean they are bad driver it means they don't follow the rules, huge difference, like the genius in class that fails because he's board, and that a fact look at nascar, we just have better spatial intelligence no big deal
Actually, that does make women better drivers. What makes someone a good driver, is if they are a defensive driver. And more women are defensive drivers than males, so taht makes women better drivers. Maybe men know more about cars, can fix them, & etc, but if you are not a defensive driver, you are a bad driver, period.
women are better drivers in legal perameters that means very little as to being an actual better driver so again men are better drivers
You proved nothing. I actually had proof, you just except me to go off what your opinion is. Ask any driver instructor, defensive driving is the most important part. If you are not a defense driver, you are not a good driver.
One question, why does your gender have a such a hard time admitting women are better at something. Why do you need to be the best, you are no better than us & whether you like it or not, women are better are some things than men, driving included.
nascar, there's my proof
lol, you think the men in Nascar are defensive drivers, wtf?
no they are the best drivers in the world
Oh, is that why some of them get into car accidents & die?
that doesn't make you a bad driver that means your body can't take a crash there is a bid difference
LOL, it's the crashing part that makes them a bad driver. LMAO!
no not in a sport the fact that they can drive faster is what makes them better
fast driver does not equal good driving, in fact, fast driving often equals bad driving
First things first. Men usually associate better driving as in who has more raw skill behind the wheel. Women usually associate better driving as in who is more of a defensive driver. Either way you look at it. Men are still better drivers. Reason why insurance is higher for me is because there are more men on the road, thus more chances of them getting in an accident. Believe it or not, men get in less accidents per mile driven than women. Women just have less accidents total because they are
not as many women who are on the road as men. Not to mention when men do drive, they generally have to drive a very long distance. Not saying some women don't but in general. So based off of being a defensive driver and going by statistics. Men get in 5.1 accidents per million miles driven while women get in 5.7 accidents per million miles driven. So by the definition of being a safe driver = better driver. Men are better drivers.
Because it's the truth ...
how so
yeah that just says we mature differently, boys want sex and girls are less impulsive that's all it said, that's all it said and tahts when we are teens, I was asking a more general question of why women think men are immature when they don't want to date them for tehir past
and seeing how men are more mature in that area, according to your article, then wouldn't it stand to reason that a women that makes this statements is just immature
whatever
lol, don't you find that a little funny, just a little how I used your own information against you
Oh, I didn't even read it, I just gave you an article & let you make up your own mind. I couldn't care less about any of this.
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