What do men really bring to the table?

[Subarugirl]

I was inspired by another question asking what women bring to the table in a relationship. Apart from flaunting a paycheck, which pretty much every productive adult gets, what do men really bring to the table in a relationship?

[MrOracle]

Most men (of course, this won't apply to ALL men) typically bring the following:

• An income. Usually a decent one, and some a very substantial one. And if the couple decides to have children, it will often be the only income for a substantial amount of time (especially if she has pregnancy complications).
• Protection.
• Labor. This includes "strength jobs" from moving furniture to opening jars, and often includes construction/maintenance jobs: electrical, plumbing, painting, flooring, auto maintenance & repair, yard work (including heavy work like fence building and drainage).
• Leadership. Most men tend to be better than women (on average) in making decisions and giving practical advice.
• Responsibility. Men will generally give a woman his coat when she's cold (because she didn't want to bring a jacket), will go and rescue her when her car breaks down, or when her friend leaves her at work, he'll pick up her prescriptions when she's sick, and he's usually going to step up financially when the water heater is leaking or the fence needs replacing or the transmission goes out in the car - or just when she needs something.
• Partnership. Men will be there to share your life and experiences with you, and build memories. They'll provide a shoulder to cry on and a hand to high-five when things go great.
• Experience. A lot of men have done a lot of different things that will be useful to know from time to time, or provide wisdom and insight down the road. Maybe it's the ability to drive a large moving truck. Maybe it's knowing what to do with a sick or injured pet. Maybe it's one of those maintenance or home upgrades.
• Stability. Men are good at providing emotional stability - to be an anchor in a storm when she's feeling lost. And a lot of women KNOW they need someone to keep them from going too far when they're angry or upset, and men also provide that.

Obviously a 20 year old is, on average, going to bring less to the table than a 30 year old, but that's because most things that men bring have to be earned - men aren't born with inherent value the way women are, we have to BUILD value if we hope to have any. I will also agree that some of these things are harder to come by with Millennials than with past generations, but that's a combination of society not valuing those things as much (even though they should) and so many boys being raised by single mothers without a solid, masculine father figure to be an example. Still, I run into Millennials with plenty of practical skills, so it's not like those guys don't exist - they definitely do.

[TruthBringer]

I can tell all of these points are going to fall on deaf ears

[wtf636]

Well, you reduce men earning more money to flaunting a paycheck, but it's not just that. I don't know about your relationships, but the ones I have been in and witnessed, the guys pay for 90% of everything. They pay more for dates, bills, gifts, everything. For their woman. Even if the woman makes the same or more money, she still expects a man to do this shit.

So money isn't what men bring to the table. It's what gets them a seat at the table in the first place. A rich man will date and marry a broke woman, a rich woman will not even look a broke guy's way.

But let's go with it. What do men bring to the table besides money? Well, in my experience.

- Free maintenance and car ride service - Every girl I have dated (quite a few) has made me drive 99% of the time. They also ask me to fix various shit around their house, the clogged sink, the toilet that doesn't stop running, taking out the trash. You know all of the MAN chores that you ask your guy friends to help you with for free when you don't have a boyfriend.

- The dirty work. You ladies aren't gonna do it, and expect us men to do it. But equality right?

- Protection. I can't tell you how many times a woman has almost gotten me into a fight because her drunk ass ran her mouth to some dude twice the size of me at a bar, and now I'm the one who has to come in and defuse the situation or get my ass kicked for her because she knows the guy isn't going to hit her. Not to mention, when shit makes noises at night in the house, I'm the one who has to check it out. If someone is giving her trouble, I'm the one that has to take care of it. Etc.

- Stability. Most of the women I know, even if they make more money. Spend it on stupid shit they can't afford, and have no plan for the future. They expect that they will find a husband and he will do that. Men are much more conscious about our money because we are the ones paying for most of the shit.

- Decision-making. For some reason, y'all can't decide on anything and it's usually on us to make the final decision. That classic. What do we eat tonight? Her response 90% of the time? I don't know, whatever you want. Then you suggest. No. Ok, how about this? No. Ok, what do you want? I don't know what you decide! Fuck!

[hi_it_is_me123]

Only few men on gag are ok. The rest is bunch of leftovers that has a such a big hatred towards women which feminazis not even have for men. So if you ask me about the gag incels, it is nothing but childish blaming, shaming tactics etc. So it is everything our fault and never their fault. Of course women do mistakes, ain't perfect but blaming every shit on us make no sense and is irresponsible and irrational. I tried to understand them but i get nothing since my gender aka whole female population get blamed for these loosers bad relationship with immature girls which was their fault for even dating such badgirls. Women get accused of dating bad men on purpose when having toxic relationship but genders reversed is not possible for these loosers since they can't blame women then. Their only interest are these hot crazy girls who date these bad guys as you see by their obsession with badboys dating's life. If these girls were ugly, fat etc none of them would be so butthurt about badboys lol. I really dont understand their logic. They shame on women by saying women dont deserve gentle/nice men but also whine when immature girls date badboys but also shame on nice/gentle men or women's partners by calling them simps. They whine about the word incel but use the word feminazi every second they can whenever a person dont agree with their bs. Before you call me feminazi, i am middleeastern girl with some traditional values who wait till marriage. Not only so called modern women have enough of this incel community on gag but also very traditional religious conservative women have enough of this bs. They rather call us all feminazis than accepting the truth that they are mental ill anti woman retards. Ladies, men in real life are not like the gag guys. Majority of guys are good in real life and some gag guys are really good too, of course. I dont care about the dislikes i will get. The incel community on gag is concerning. More and more female users get inactive because of it.

[hi_it_is_me123]

The number of female replies proves my point. Women have enough of it and choose to avoid such questions to not interact with any of this incel or they choose to be inactive. Gender related questions used to get similar number of female replies like male replies. Now gag guys destroyed it. Some guys really want to know what women think but now due to current situation they can't lol. I am kinda sorry for them

[hi_it_is_me123]

Look at male gag users who are triggered by your question or how they insult you. If the genders were reversed, they would have no problem with insulting and blaming women.

[hi_it_is_me123]

You can delete my post if you want since i did not answere your question. And dont give me a mho since it does not deserve it and i reall dont want to get all the attention

[hi_it_is_me123]

Lol i think this post was too harsh/rude. I read too many antiwoman posts that say that women are only worthless c** etc. So i am sorry if i offended anyone and i really love some guys on gag. Please dont get offended by it

[hi_it_is_me123]

Can you delete my post? I think i overreacted and was too offensive

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Subarugirl Can you delete my post? I think i overreacted and was too offensive. sorry for spamming you

[Mobius90stri]

Aw thanks for your kind words at the end

[EnglishArtsteacher]

I'm noticing this more, and more with men in your age range. 18-24 year old males are almost all sexist Incels, and blame everything on women. They're a scary breed, and I don't blame women your age for refusing to date them.

[msc545]

@EnglishArtsteacher You have it backward. Men don't want to date women like this at all.

[Subarugirl]

@msc545 if it were just that… they wouldn’t spend so much time talking about and bashing women. I don’t want to date women either but I don’t make it the focal point of my personality.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Sorry for offending anyone

[Vegasrunner]

@hi_it_is_me123 Do you see the irony in exhibiting the exact behavior you criticize or no?

[hi_it_is_me123]

How much time do you waste to find my post from 1000 years ago? You dont know me and so you can't know my behaviour.
Just because my opinion triggers you, you should not accuse me of any bs you are talking about. Cringe how you try to make it personal. It is just my objective opinion. You just prove my points. If you want to argue, then do it but dont make it personal.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I really dont have time for this since i am very busy. We are not going to change our mind anyway. Just disagree with me. I dont want people spamming me for my very old posts.

[spuitkaas]

Interesting to read the responses. Many men still have the traditional masculine idea of providing. It's interesting because I don't value income, physical protection, doing heavy chores, rational thinking and coming with solutions as much.
I just want a partner that adds to the quality of my life as I do to his. So that means my life and his life are already good and stable in every way, but together it's better. Feeling supported, giving love and affection, being intellectually stimulated, getting inspired and making memories together.
Sure there are things I personally lack more in. For example I have the tendency to take care of everyone's emotional needs and I would like it if my partner would sometimes care for my emotional needs. I would like to give that back in things I'm good at.
Unfortunately I do think that because many men have that traditional masculine idea of value, they tend to not feel appreciated by me easily. Especially because my strengths are already quite masculine in some ways.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

The reason why so many people on here are fixated on the traditional roles in relationships is because here in the United States of America, most women still expect men to provide for them.

[Shamalien]

You don’t value physical protection? 0. o ooookay, well what about if you have kids, would you value their physical protection? Because that’s mainly what the man is for

[msc545]

@Shamalien when someone breaks in the house, she is going to suddenly find she values physical protection a lot. Big surprise there. /s

[spuitkaas]

@EnglishArtsteacher yes I think it's definitely a cultural difference. I think in my country women are a lot more emancipated. I do wonder that even though women are emancipated, men might still have that expectation of traditional gender roles.

[spuitkaas]

@Shamalien and @msc545
I don't know where I need physical protection for in everyday life. I live in a safe country. Break-ins pretty much happen. Also I've been doing kickboxing for 8 years now and jiu-jitsu for a year. I'm not that scared of situations where physical strength plays a part and honestly I don't know if a guy could handle it better than me.
I don't know if I ever want kids and don't choose someone on the ability to do something in a very slim, hypothetical situation. It's like choosing your partner for their ability to hold off snakes when you might never see a snake in your life.

[msc545]

If some guy ever breaks in your house, beats the shit out of you, and rapes you (it happens), you are going to wish you had a man there or at least a big dog or two. The kickboxing and jiu-jitsu won't help you a bit and if you try using it that may piss him off to the point that he kills you. Martial arts for the most part give a false sense of security, particularly to women.

[spuitkaas]

But like when does that actually happen? Don't get me wrong, I'm not using my martial arts, it's more that I can respond in stressful situations. I don't think I want a man to go into a fight then. Fighting back is not often a good idea. I don't see how a man can respond in this situation better than I do myself, because I don't want him to fight and bring himself in danger. It's better to cooperate and call the police.

Also IT ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS. I won't choose a partner on a hypothetical situation again. I don't know why y'all are trying to find situations where I should be "needing" a man. Women barely ever need men nowadays and I don't know why you want someone to be dependent on you that badly. Like at one side men are like "women will use me for protection/money uwu" and on the other side are like "don't you dare not needing men in your life". Independence for both parties and still choosing to be together results in knowing the other person actually chooses to stay with you and not your resources.
Are y'all really that insecure that you think if someone's is not dependent on you in any way, she won't stay?

[msc545]

"Almost never" is not the same as never. It just has to happen once. Get a big dog or two.

[msc545]

Calling the police is the single most dangerous thing you can do as they are unpredictably violent, at least in the US.

[spuitkaas]

Just like any other danger in the world. Car crash, robbery etc. I'd rather learn how to prepare myself for when that happens so I can deal with it the best I can and prevent it from happening, than rely on someone else to protect me.
I don't live in the US. Guns are illegal and we're so densely populated that police will be there very fast at any time. I will get myself a good security system so if I get a relationship, he won't feel responsible for protecting me with his life. I don't think it's healthy to ask someone that.

[lightbulb27]

spot on... most men should read til they understand.

[spuitkaas]

@lightbulb27 thanks! I love to hear support from men.
I sometimes loose hope when I only get negative reactions from men, because I get afraid that too many men think traditionally and I will never be able to give that to a guy and so will not find a compatible guy. Especially because I'm already fishing in a small pond with other things.
Luckily GaG is not representative for general population. People are way more conservative than most people I meet irl.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@spuitkaas I really wish more men understood this. Women today don't need us to provide and protect them, and that is a good thing! It's amazing to have an equal partner that brings to the table as much as you. The part where you say "my life and his life are already good and stable in every way, but together it's better" sums it up perfectly.
People used to be together because they needed the other to do the things they couldn't. Now we don't need each other, but we want each other. To what? Companionship, love and care.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 I am a muay thai fighter, I have seen girls beat the living shit out of guy two weight categories above them. Trust me her kickboxing works and I find it funny how much you are trying to tell her "you do need a man. I am a man believe me."

[spuitkaas]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 exactly! I don't know why people want to keep that dependency so much. I see guys complaining about girls being golddiggers and girls complaining about guys putting them in a dependent role and wanting their ego protected, while both things come from the same source: patriarchy. People are so afraid that if people are independent, they won't find someone that sticks with them, meanwhile they do look for someone that genuinely likes them. That's anxiety speaking.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

As far as I am concerned people should just live their lives and let others do as they want.
You want a housewife? Perfect! Look for one.
You want an equal partner? Perfect! Also look for one.
To each their own. We should all respect that.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

What those guys are afraid of it that if more people are free to do that choice... there will be less and less girls who fit into what they like and will be submit to them.

[spuitkaas]

Oh yes I agree if it's consentual. Like some women like to work less and be dependent on their husbands and some men like a woman be dependent on them, but then stop complaining about the woman being dependent (aka golddigger) on her man later if you put her into that role. Sure some women abuse that position, but that's also a risk you're taking that the woman doesn't love you as much as she loves the resources. You should be careful then. Same the other way around.

[spuitkaas]

Yes I mean same. I'm afraid I won't find a guy that doesn't want me in a dependent position and stroking their ego, but I know I will never be able to give a guy that and be happier than I'm now single. So I'd rather be single, surround myself with friends and family and maintain my standards for men till I find someone that can meet them.
Maybe we should be less scared of being single and normalize things like platonic life partners for example.

[msc545]

Just because you happen to be familiar with some obscure style of fighting does not mean you actually know anything about real fighting. How many street fights have you been in and how many have you won and how many have you lost? I'm guessing the answer is zero based on what you had to say. I'm not suggesting she needs a man and actually any man that would risk his life to defend a woman is a fucking idiot anyway.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 thankfully it's been a while since I was in a real fight. But my point is that she can defend herself as well as a guy could.
And people can't make choices on their partners based on who will protect her better. If that was the case she can just get a guard dog.

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 A dog is a good idea. Telling her to defend herself is a bad idea that is likely to get her killed or badly injured. She is slightly better off with a gun if she knows how to use it and is willing and able to do that. Many people cannot.

[Shamalien]

@spuitkaas like many women, you are completely separated from reality. There are so many reasons why a woman needs a man for protection and to deny that just shows what a fking child you are

[spuitkaas]

@Shamalien enlighten me. I like a challenge.

[Shamalien]

@spuitkaas there is no enlightening you, you already went over several of those reasons and dismissed them, so enjoy! Enjoy living in your fantasy, hopefully nothing comes along and shatters it

[spuitkaas]

@Shamalien sure thing bud. I will. I love a man who has a big mouth, but is too scared to argue.

[Shamalien]

@spuitkaas pretty sure I made my argument and you just continued to babble nonsense about how you’re ability to defend yourself and your potential children is equivalent to that of a man’s. I know when I’m wasting my breath, ENJOY THE DELUSIONS!

[Shamalien]

(While they last)

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Shamalien I am a man and I have no idea why she needs anyone to protect her. In fact if she has 8 years of kickboxing chances are she is more capable to defend herself than you are.
But I find it very funny how dudes like you want to bad to tell women that they need to be dependent on you. Trying so hard to impose fear so that they feel like they have to settle. As if.

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 oh I get it now - you sell kickboxing lessons to women, and you are trying to drum up business here. Shame on you for that, and for promising things that will not be effective.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 I do muay thai friend. And let's put it like this... When most people arrive if you ask them if girls are weaker they will all say yes. Mostly because they imagine girls as small. Then they find that there are girls their size who fight. Who have been fighting for years. And their opinion changes very fast.
Even if they are smaller they can hold their own against a total beginner.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 of course most, the vast majority of girls is not like this. Still, on your opinion, do you think girls should just get a guy out of fear of what can happen to them in a very unlucky day?

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 No, they should get a dog and a good security system and perhaps a shotgun.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 so every girl in this world must get a dog, a guy or a gun. For the same reason?

[msc545]

Well no obviously every girl in the world does not need a dog Oregon or whatever to protect yourself. However women who live alone are at particular risk for some bad things happening to them but there's no way to protect against everything in this world as I'm sure you will know. I really don't know what the solution to violence is except to be smart and be careful and be lucky. That is not always possible for everyone sadly.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 I agree that everyone should be careful. But no one should get into a relationship just to be careful.

[msc545]

I completely agree with that however it does seem to happen from time to time. People seem to get into relationships either for protection or for money or for both.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@spuitkaas True. Sexism still exists, even in "free" countries.

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Try your martial arts shit against a gun or even a knife and find out the hard way how lacking it is.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 where is this coming from after a year?

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 oh sorry, bad headache today. My apologies.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 no problem 👍

[Apple1996]

Love, support, protection, financial stability, and as I said in another post in a much dirtier way. They give women babies. That's the best thing a man could ever bring to the table is his little swimmers

[Still-alive]

i got all those boxes checkmarked except financially right now. working on that one still lol

[Apple1996]

@Still-alive not a issue money isn't everything

[Still-alive]

indeed. but i would rather still be in a better spot financially before i start dating again

[shaysh87]

reality that old fashioned people are not willing to admit is that women can capable of doing everything that a man can do nowadays. A woman can buy a house, car, rental property just like men. This is why our divorce rates are so high. Almost half of marriages end up in divorce. Women have jobs and can AFFORD to divorce men once they no longer offer the companionship we want.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 ok...

[Apple1996]

@shaysh87 I prefer it if a man takes care of me financially. It's not necessarily because of the money part but is the willingness to do it that is attractive

[Subarugirl]

@shaysh87 you have a right financial independence and equality under the law frees people to be able to make the choices they want rather than be dependent on someone else for survival.

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

reality is, nowadays most men are unable to financially support their families all on just one income. Cost of living is quickly outpacing salary growth which means you are getting poorer and poorer as time goes by. And also, most men do not prefer to be completely dependent on men for money. Being dependent on someone for money restricts freedom and independence

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 and how do you feel about that? just curious?

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

I think its great that women are now enjoying freedom and independence that they never had before. Understand that 100 years ago, many women were forced to stay in shitty abusive marriages just because they couldn't survive on her own. In the 1970s, when a woman couldn't find a decent job, she would be forced to get married in order to survive. THis was how things were historically.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 right but how do you feel about men "unable to financially support their families all on just one income"?

is what im getting at specifically

[Apple1996]

@shaysh87 my husband doesn't make much and easily supports me and our 3 kids. So for me and my husband it works out. I get that lifestyle isn't for everyone but a lot of couples make it work on one income

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

It is what it is. I don't have an opinion on it. If that is what reality is, that will be the reality. there's no point in discussing or debating over facts. These are things you can't debate about.

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

he can support you and your kids. But your kids probably won't be able to enjoy video games, you may not be able to afford tutoring services if your kid needs help in high school, you might just have one car when your family needs two cars, you probably won't have enough money to send your kids to college, you may be pinching pennies by retirement. Or maybe you just live an extremely cheap area of the country where prices are very much below the norm.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 you don't hate men right? kinda getting these vibes from you tbh...

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

If talking about the facts of reality today 2021 sounds like I hate men, then the problem is likely on you. Not me. Because nothing I've ever stated on here was ever false information.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 lol im sure... ill be keeping my eye on you...

proceeed

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

You're accusing me of being a man hater simply because you don't like what I said. Its quite common. But trust me, there are no emotions to facts. Facts are facts

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 facts don't care about your feelings.. yes we all know the saying

[Apple1996]

@shaysh87 my kids are in the other room right now playing video games lol already have 2 cars and actually paying for a 3rd for my brother in law cause he's in a bad situation so we offered to help. Definitely not struggling to get by at all. We just are good with money management and a lot of others lack those skills so they both need a job to get by

[Still-alive]

@Apple1996

she wants to box you into her world soo bad lol

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

It really depends on how much your husband makes. Only high earning men who make over six figures can afford to support a family. Your husband can certainly afford video games, two cars and a huge mortgage. But he might not even have money left over for your kids college education or retirement.

Or you could also be lying in order to preserve your dignity. Men who don't make much money usually cannot afford two cars, iphones for their kids or video games. And if you're 25, your kids should be barely 6 years old. Wayy too young to be even playing video games.

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

its likely she's just lying to preserve her dignity. If she's 25, her kids wouldn't even be 7-8 years old. Wayy too young to be playing video games.

[Apple1996]

@shaysh87 my son turned 7 in November. Other son is about to turn 5. They both know how to play games. My 5 year old is actually a little better at them then my 7 year old

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

Your kids are likely ages 5 and under. Nobody is gonna believe you have a 7-10 yr old at home playing a ton of video games.

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

5 yr olds do not play video games.

i doubt you have two cars either.

[Apple1996]

@shaysh87 the baby can't even hold up his head so no games yet but he will get there one day

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 "its likely she's just lying to preserve her dignity."

oh so she's lying now? hmmm... so you just don't wanna listen to what people tell you?

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

have you seen 5 yr olds play video games? they can't play. now she's saying her 5 yr old plays better than her 7 yr old.

does she really think people are that naive?>

[shaysh87]

Financially stable people tend to have a happier time being parents. Poor people tend to see kids as more of a burden than a gift.

[Apple1996]

@shaysh87 it's 2022 yes all 5 year olds play video games. As long as they have cool parents that teach them

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 wow why are you sooo aggressive? it feels like you have an agenda here.

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

I'm willing to bet you've never held a job in your life. You spent your entire life being fed by someone else. Money was always in your bank account without having to work hard.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 " Financially stable people tend to have a happier time being parents. Poor people tend to see kids as more of a burden than a gift"

is that the drivel your man hating feminist guidebook feeds you? hmmm... icky

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

thats also another fact of life. you didn't know that?

sounds like you're a misogynist who hates female independence.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 ok its a fact? so lets see your sources. hmmm

[Apple1996]

@shaysh87 your right I've never had a job cause I had to step up and be a mom for my kids. There is no way I would choose to work over taking care of them. They need a mom to raise them not a daycare

[Still-alive]

@Apple1996 you don't see your kids as 'burdens' right?

[Apple1996]

@Still-alive definitely not I love them so much🥰Would never think of them as a burden

[Still-alive]

so there you go @shaysh87 she loves her kids... what else you got? gonna call her a liar again?

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

but lets be honest, what have you accomplished in life? Nothing.

I've worked my ass off for years in order to decently support myself and my future children by working a job while goin to college full time in the ages 17-22. After all those hard years in college, I obtained a very decent paying job. I spent many years learning, developing skills so I can better myself and my family. I paid bills for my parents. At the age of 26 , Im still working hard on my career and furthering my education so I can provide for my future children with ease.
On the other hand,

you never had job in your life. you never had to pay a bill in your life. you popped out a kid at 18, never went to college, never had to struggle. If you wanted food, you were provided food. If your wanted clothes, you were provided clothes. If you wanted shoes, you had shoes. All you had to do was change a few diapers and fill up the baby bottle.

now you're saying you're just as good as me. I can tell you that unless you have paid bills and learn how to survive on your own financially, you're just a child in a grown woman's body.

[shaysh87]

@Apple1996

these are all very legitimate reasons why housewives are not as respected as women who worked hard for what they have.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 lol wow you just LOVE to shit and look down on people who don't fit into your world view huh?

go sniff your own farts somewhere else...

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 "these are all very legitimate reasons why housewives are not as respected as women who worked hard for what they have."

implies housewives don't work hard... lol...

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

how would she see them as a burden? her husband is rich. she has two cars and a million video games for her underage kids.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 "her husband is rich. she has two cars and a million video games for her underage kids."

so? how does that mean she doesn't work hard to take care of them and house duties in general?

you don't know shit. and you're also moving the goal posts. first it was yes they are a burden now you're saying no they aren't a burden. you aren't even consistent with your critiques...

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

Housewiving is really nowhere near as hard as working a career then having to come home to do housework , bathe the kids, cook dinner , tutor kids on school work, then go to sleep.

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

[so? how does that mean she doesn't work hard to take care of them and house duties in general?]

DO YOU REALIZE MOST MOMS ARE WORKING MOMS? MOMS WHO HAVE WENT TO COLLEGE TO OBTAIN DECENT JOBS AND TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR KIDS WELL. WORKING MOMS WHO WORK 8-12 HOURS A DAY, COME HOME THEN HAVE TO COOK DINNER, TUTOR KIDS, BATHE KIDS, DO GROCERY SHOPPING, DO THE DISHES, THEN PUT THE KIDS TO SLEEP?

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 "Housewiving is really nowhere near as hard as working a career then having to come home to do housework , bathe the kids, cook dinner , tutor kids on school work, then go to sleep. "

sure in your opinion... but even if we grant you this that still doesn't justify you looking down on here. like wtf is your problem? go argue with the incels on here. THEY are your true enemies on here, not a housewife with multiple kids.

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

She has done absolutely nothing in her life. She has pursued NOTHING in her life. YET she has the audacity to say that her kids are just as well off as mine. Or that she has accomplished the same as me in my life.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 "DO YOU REALIZE MOST MOMS ARE WORKING MOMS? MOMS WHO HAVE WENT TO COLLEGE TO OBTAIN DECENT JOBS AND TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR KIDS WELL. WORKING MOMS WHO WORK 8-12 HOURS A DAY, COME HOME THEN HAVE TO COOK DINNER, TUTOR KIDS, BATHE KIDS, DO GROCERY SHOPPING, DO THE DISHES, THEN PUT THE KIDS TO SLEEP?
"

lol ahhh you're so mad. its hilarious... i can acknowledge that ALL of those things are difficult.

stop compariing already. it just makes you look like a huge cunt... which lets be real you totally are acting like one right now.

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

In fact, most mothers in USA are WORKING MOTHERS. Most moms dont have her luxury of staying home.

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

and you know what? the only reason why you respect a bimbo like her is because you hate the fact that women can be smart, can survive on their own, and are capable of many things. You hate educated, capable women. They have to be stupid, dumb, uneducated, unambitious for you to respect them.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 anytime you want to cite your sources...

[shaysh87]

how do you know when there is something wrong with the system?

when an uneducated bimbo has pursued and accomplished absolutely nothing in life is more well respected than women who have worked hard for all they have.

Enough said.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 "the only reason why you respect a bimbo like her is because you hate the fact that women can be smart, can survive on their own, and are capable of many things. You hate educated, capable women. They have to be stupid, dumb, uneducated, unambitious for you to respect them.

ahahahahah omg... yeah keep it up. i love to hear more of what you think i am. i literally respect any smart woman on her. i guess you are new here or something. but as most of the women on here they will tell you how respectful i am of them. but sure just keep attacking me though. i love the hate mmmm

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 "
when an uneducated bimbo"

you calling her that says EVERYTHING we need to know about you. lmao

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

Hmmm why would you respect someone like her more? That’s the most surprising question

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 cuase she still deserves fucking respect.

i have had disagreements with her in the past, but i still respect her. its obvious that you don't lol. just go away already.

want to attack some incels instead? i can link you. there's one harassing another girl on here as we speak on antoehr question lol.

[Subarugirl]

@shaysh87 lol you don't have kids do you, my 4 and a half year old can play some video games. Kids these days are a wiz with technology.

[Subarugirl]

@shaysh87 You really gonna start shaming stay at home moms? Do you have any clue how difficult it is to be a stay at home mother of 3 kids? Honestly I don't really apple either but your attitude and aggression towards her is uncalled for. If you're asshole, the amount you make doesn't make you less of an asshole.

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

I don't care about stay home moms. But if a stay home mom were to tell me that her kids are better off than mine or that she's better than me, it would very well sure piss me the hell off.

some people invest years and years of dedication to developing their education / career skill sets while there are those who just sit at home , never invested in themselves, fold laundry in front of the tv all day who say their lives are harder than mine.

I spent countless nights without sleep, days without lunch, Thanksgiving/ Christmas without celebrations or seeing my family, years canceling out parties with friends , just so that I can pursue a higher education. My parents raised me working full time 8 hours a day, came home to cook, teach me, bathe me, then wake up early the next day to bring me to school.

So dont tell me staying at home is a hard job. Its the easiest life could ever get.

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

Stay home moms do not piss me off. Its their arrogance that pisses me off. And trust me, I can guarantee that her kids are not better off than mine. she's just bluffing to save her dignity and pride. I'm pretty sure her kids will go without college.

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

thats not the question. why should an uneducated bimbo deserve more respect than someone who has worked hard , invested in themselves, took full responsibility over their lives?

i know why. because you like women who are incapable , dumb, and uneducated, who never walk out of the house.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 im done with you. have more respect for people next time or people won't take you seriously.

see ya

[shaysh87]

@Still-alive

of course you're done with me. because i proved you're a misogynist.

[Still-alive]

@shaysh87 lol if you say so

[Subarugirl]

@shaysh87 If it were the easiest job in the world than why to good day cares charge so much? Having a live in nanny that is on call 24/7. According to salary. com if you factor in pay premiums that companies offer like bonuses, overtime, and hazard pay due to the increased intensity of the work this past year, a stay-at-home mom could earn more than $200,000 annually. If you factor in child care alone that gonna be something like 800$ or more a month per child. That is 2400 a month at a lower quality than a mother would provide for her own children.
According to Pew Research Center's Social and Demographic Trends, 60% of Americans say a child is better off with at least one parent at home. Evidence also shows that children with a stay at home parent have better school performance and less stress and aggression.

[TruthBringer]

The argument of a 5 year old not being able to play videogames is false. I have family members as young as 4 holding a controller, play games like Minecraft on the PC or playing mobile games on a tablet. When I was 5, I was playing I remember playing Sonic on my dad's old Sega and playing Lego Island Adventure 2 whom my cousin had a CD of.

@Apple1996 Funny how she basically says she is better than you because she pays bills, but I bet to differ that I find nothing better than a mother who is actively taking care of both her children and her husband rather than priorize her career. Don't let this misandrist talk you down. This is clearly her projecting her bitterness onto you as she secretly wishes to be as content as you are. But on the contrary, she bought into the feminist agenda and is now coping with its consequences

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

[According to Pew Research Center's Social and Demographic Trends, 60% of Americans say a child is better off with at least one parent at home. Evidence also shows that children with a stay at home parent have better school performance and less stress and aggression.]

and what cost will the child have to pay for that? being unable to attend college because your parents just didn't have enough money saved up? do you realize we live in a society where there are parents who take out huge LOANS for their kids at the age of 55-60 so that their kids can attend college? Both parents having worked full time jobs their whole lives, who STILL NEED TO TAKE OUT 100k in loans for their kids to attend college by the time the hit 55-60.

if you're a guy with average income raising 3-4 kids on 1 income, do you really think all your kids will be attending college? i don't think so. some of them may very well be forced to not go to college, work a menial job and hope they'll make it.

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

my parents both worked full time jobs, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, still managed to come home to cook dinner, teach me math, bathe me, play with me, put me to sleep. On weekends, they tutored me, went shopping for groceries with me, did all the cleaning. And I'm gonna do the same for my kids.

There is a reason why stay home moms typically don't get much respect. Because their lives are easy.

[Subarugirl]

@shaysh87 My husband didn't have his parents pay for college, and he has a doctorate now.
Let me break this down for you in 2020 the median wage for full time female employees in Oregon was 936$, which comes to about 4,000 a week gross, take 15% for taxes which leaves you with about 3400 a month. Day care centers cost about 180 a week per child, if you have 3 kids that comes out to 2160 a month which leaves you with 1840 a month to cover other expenses like health insurance, food, and other living expenses. That doesn't even cover rent...

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

haha you can joke about that. The reality is, poor parents tend to raise poor kids. Educated parents tend to raise educated kids. The ability for parents to afford college has much to do with it. Educated parents are also much moer capable of teaching children than uneducated parents.

Many people think that parenting has only to do with cuddling with your kids, playing with them, meeting their emotional needs. But the dark side to that is, nobody cares how much your kids have been cuddled, if your kids can't make a decent living wage when they grow up. Nobody cares about how caring you were as a mom, if your kid can't support his own family when they grow up. Nobody cares about how good you were as a mom, if your kid is barely scraping by on his job cleaning toilets. There are a lot of poor people in the US who are miserable on a daily basis working in fast food, constantly worried about bills and paying for their kids.

Part of your job as a parent, is to prepare your child for the real world which means giving them all the skills they need in order to thrive as adults. Its not only about being home for the kids, cuddling, watching cartoons, playing at the playground, or throwing ball.

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl,

In the other question that you asked recently, You mentioned you had a boyfriend. Honestly i do not believe you have a husband. Nor does your boyfriend have a doctorate. You're just making up exceptions to defend your case

[msc545]

@shaysh87 Jesus - you a really a hostile, nasty bitch.

[Subarugirl]

@shaysh87 oh so now I am lying…. Lol okay. You’re done. If you can’t have a rational discussion without calling people liars you are done.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@shaysh87 are you retarded?

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

What? Because I remember you mentioned elsewhere that you had a boyfriend? The argument is now done?

You’re the one who is joking about a child’s education and future. You’re one who doesn’t care at all about how your kid turns out. Why don’t you take your ego and pride away and admit you’re being a dumb ass?

[shaysh87]

@msc545

She’s literally saying that it doesn’t matter if a child attends college. She’s joking about the education and future of children.

How am I the one who is accused of being nasty and immoral? I don’t get it

And lately I distinctively remember her mentioning in a very recent post that she had a boyfriend, not a husband. Is this a crime too?

[shaysh87]

@ChefPapiChulo

What am I being retarded for? Advocating for a child’s education and future?

[Subarugirl]

@shaysh87 I had boyfriend, whom I married back in 2017.. I am not sure what you read, but what ever you read you must have misunderstood because I have been very outspoken about the fact that I am married.
I never once said it doesn't matter if a child goes to college.
I gave you a real life example of someone that I have lived with for the past 5 years, but since it didn't fit your agenda and prejudice you called me a liar.
My husband was homeschooled, by a stay at home mom, his father was a music teacher. He is now 27 years old with a doctorate, and has been practicing for the past 2 years.
Supposedly you're educated, so you should know better. Sounds like your parents made sure you got an education but missed the part were they were supposed to teach you not be a judgmental asshole with a superiority complex.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@shaysh87 yup you're a retard.

[Subarugirl]

@ChefPapiChulo that's enough from you too. If you want drama go find it somewhere else.

[Still-alive]

Haha that doofus papi is here too 😂

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

Do you realize what is happening in the US right now? Millions of People working in fast food and low wage jobs are QUITTING for more educated professional jobs. If it was soo cool to work in fast food or low wage menial jobs then why would everyone be quitting in droves for higher wage jobs that requires higher education?

You may say college is not necessary and that there are trade jobs that your child can go into. Well if you’re LIMITING your child’s career options by forcing them into a trade. Trade work is not for everyone. There are many people who hate trade work

By not providing your child a decent eduction , you’re telling your child that he can’t become a doctor or a lawyer or work in marketing / economics, or become a teacher or become a social worker. Often times people who didn’t attend college don’t even know how to write properly. Likely your kid will simply turn out to be one of those working in fast food.

[Uptowngirl88]

@shaysh87 and @ChefPapiChulo her @Subarugirl is lying and her page is fake. She stole that pic from my friend Erica. She always or he I don't know who is behind this person's account but they aren't married nor have a boyfriend... why are u stealing pics subarugirl

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 no that is me and I am more than happy to prove it

[Uptowngirl88]

All ur doing is getting pics off my friends page and posting it. 🤣 I see my friend everyday how are u going to tell me ur her. U are not her. Take her pic down now before I call the police and they trace u. U shouldn't be impersonating someone else that's weird what is wrong with u

[Uptowngirl88]

@shaysh87 and @ChefPapiChulo her @Subarugirl is lying and her page is fake. She stole that pic from my friend Erica. She always or he I don't know who is behind this person's account but they aren't married nor have a boyfriend... y u stealing pics

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 link the account then... if you think I am using someone else photo prove it, because I am more than happy to prove I am who I say I am

[Subarugirl]

Call the cops... do it.

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

And the problem is , in 20 -30 years there will be no more maids , burger flippers , factory workers. All these jobs will be taken over by robots. Many jobs will consist on designing and fixing robots. How are you gonna fix a robot if you don’t even have an education? You can’t even pass college. What job are you gonna get and how are you gonna eat? Drug dealing? How about robbing people?

[Uptowngirl88]

@shaysh87 and @ChefPapiChulo her @Subarugirl is lying and her page is fake. She stole that pic from my friend Erica. She always or he I don't know who is behind this person's account but they aren't married nor have a boyfriend... she's stealing pics

[Still-alive]

@Subarugirl that uptowngirl chick is nuts... i've had her blocked for ages now

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 that is my photo and I am more than willing to prove it.

[Uptowngirl88]

@Subarugirl u already know her account that's how u got her pic in the first place 🤣.

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 Actually I have no idea what you are talking about, you made an accusation, if you're so sure link the account.

[Uptowngirl88]

@Subarugirl prove it by stealing more of my friends pics. Post a video saying uptowngirl this is me. I talk to my friend everyday. She took this pic the day we met up at carowinds

[Uptowngirl88]

@shaysh87 and @ChefPapiChulo her @Subarugirl is lying and her page is fake. She stole that pic from my friend Erica. She always or he I don't know who is behind this person's account but they aren't married nor have a boyfriend. Subarugirl account isn't real. That picture is not her

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 little something for ya
https://postimg.cc/8FjkT6Ph

[Uptowngirl88]

@Subarugirl u took that right from my friends page 🤣💀. Where's the video?

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 actually I just took that right now

[Still-alive]

@Subarugirl hahaha yess nice one!

[Uptowngirl88]

@Subarugirl u mean u stole it from my friends page right now. Is what u mean. You are definitely a man behind the account nothing to accomplish stealing someone's pic.

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88
https://postimg.cc/5X5Kj7jJ

[Still-alive]

haha lets she what she says now

[shaysh87]

@Subarugirl

I guess having a real pic matters more than being a good parent.

[Uptowngirl88]

@Subarugirl another stolen pic from her page. Hannah is her middle name

[Uptowngirl88]

@still-alive sir/mam whatever you are until u can post a picture of yourself. you might aswell just be quiet 💀💀

[shaysh87]

Its so sickening that a mother would deny her own children a decent education and risk them a bad future so that she can stay home her entire life.

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88
https://postimg.cc/YvMW3b2b

[Uptowngirl88]

@Subarugirl photoshopping now impressive

[Uptowngirl88]

@shaysh87 apparently it is do you see how she edited the pic with her photoshop😴

[Uptowngirl88]

@shaysh87 the sad part is she's trolling using my friends picture so unfortunately it makes a difference. a lot of people like @still-alive on here aren't mentally stable and will go after her. Deny her kids education? What type of mom is that?

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 if it was photoshop why is the handwriting the same, and why is it a totally different picture

[Uptowngirl88]

It's photoshopped I've seen enough to know @Subarugirl ur pretending to be my friend by using her pic.

[Uptowngirl88]

@shaysh87 she's deleting your comments

[Still-alive]

omg she's accusing you of photoshopping it? lol

[Uptowngirl88]

@still-alive where is your picture? You've had that profile pic since you've joined. What's wrong with your face and body that you can't post yourself?

[Subarugirl]

@Uptowngirl88 okay you’re done

[DaveJord]

Emotional support, love, security. Yes every women can do these things for themselves... but it way more fun to have someone special in your life that does it for you as well.

Basically that all I want form a women. emotional support, love and security. Yes I do those things for myself, but it really special to share it with someone else in the same ways.

[Avicenna]

Companionship. A partner with whom you share the pleasures and burdens of life.

[TonyV]

I see what you're doing but the type of women they usually ask that to are the ones trying, trying. . . To be pretty, fake hair, ridiculous clothes all the time stuck on lashes, giant nails and have no job and expect everything to be paid for, he type of woman who bosts that she don't cook,, don't clean,, don't work,, it's the type of woman looking for a sugar daddy NOT your typical girl.
Like I'd never ask a coworker what she brings to the table cause we are equals, and technically no guy would ever ask an average woman this cause the guys who ask this are usually the super successful, either very very wealthy, or famous, or maybe a powerful job, they have something women perseve as power.

I don't bring much which is fine cause I would never date or look for a women with the mentality that I have to do anything for her, I ain't fixing your shit, I don't have to like your kids from other baby daddies or put up with the "scheduling conflicts" and I don't have to put up with girls that don't want to put out.

I'm an average guy, a little overweight with a normal blue collar job.

Plus there is the difference in how the legal system supports men and women, so let's say I was fit, sexy, rich sports athlete. I'd avoid any girl asking that cause we've already seen how they will get a baby then divorce, take the kid, take half his shit, and get some ridiculous alimony.

I geuss there are 2 points I'm trying to make

1only people with a lot to loss ask it and if a average person asks you just laugh it off they're a joke.
2 it's just different for men and women, like do you think I would get shit from scarlet Johanson if I divorced her? Probably not.

Hope that explains my opinion well enough

[Angie221994]

The only thing I want to add to this is that there are some guys out there who just want a “trophy girlfriend” or “trophy wife” and that includes the girls who are pretty and put a lot of effort into their appearance and don’t work. But if they are two both consenting parties, why does it matter who brings what to the table? They are both getting something out of this. One of them gets a sugar daddy. And the other wants to look good in front of people by having that “trophy girlfriend/wife”. It’s an even exchange. I also want to mention that just because someone doesn’t have a PAID job doesn’t mean that they don’t work.

Because on a separate note where you talked about your coworkers. Someone in your position might want to be the breadwinner and they might want a stay at home wife to clean, cook and take care of the kids. That is still a job. It’s just an unpaid job.

It honestly doesn’t bother me when people ask for too much out of a relationship because it’s not like they’re gonna get it, ya know?

[TonyV]

Yeah trophy wife is a good way to say it, forgot that phrase, and only rich wealthy men should really be looking for one.

And I agree, full time stay at home mom / housewife is a whole nother thing. If I ever get to the point that I make, I don't know, 200k a year maybe I would like a housewife, not something I think about much right now cause supporting any dependant that requires more financial support than like a house cat is out of the question for me.

I geuss I'd never ask "what do you bring to the table" cause I'm looking for an equal, like, to put it in a really dumbed down way "a roommate that i have sex with and wouldn't hate to have a kid with.

I think I agree with you, I don't have a problem with the question it just depends who asks it to me. Person asking has to me, wealthy, sexy, very fit or famous, can't be an average Joe expecting above and beyond from others.

[globetrotter22]

They bring the following:

- male logic on figuring out problems. Our brains look for resolutions for problems vs talking about a problem to “bond”.
- physical protection. Admit it ladies you do feel much more safe when you have a man standing next to you while walking outside at night time. Especially if he is physically strong.
- strength to move heavy objects around your place.
- help with auto repair and home improvement. Yes there are some women who can do this on their own (I respect that) but generally guys are better at this.
- a sex partner who does most of the work. Not saying all women just “lay there” but if you want to be lazy in bed and you are a woman you can be. Men have to perform.
- of course money. Most women still expect men to pay more
- if you are a particular shitty woman you can use the guy to make the other guy you really like jealous. Sure it can be vice versa but women are more likely to setup “love triangles” to boost their egos. They either underestimate or just don’t care about how much psychological damage this does to the guy she is less into.
- also if you are particularly shitty woman you can get away being much more physically and emotionally abusive to a man than vice versa. If he hits you back he is one who is more likely to go to jail.

[Finchie40]

Protection and security mainly but all in all a relationship should be a team setting , should be you and your partner vs the world , not one relying on the other for their happiness , you should both be happy and content together and working together as 1 having each other’s backs and making each other happy. respecting each other for all that you do for each other , removing selfishness for each other. When a partner starts relying and depending on their partner to always make them happy and starts pointing out the little things they don’t do , then the partner that is pointing fingers is the selfish partner that only cares about themselves they aren’t looking at everything else their partner is doing for them , Now if your partner is sitting around the house all day barely doing nothing sting bon bons , then yes you have a right to be upset. But if they are working full time and coming home and helping around the house most days and every once in awhile they take a relaxing day then that shows they value the relationship but if they are working full time and coming home doing nothing everyday then you have a right to bitch and complain , You shouldn’t get upset with your partner if they forgot to do 1 thing and yell at them if they are doing a ton of other things , instead politely tell them they forgot to do something that you asked , most people get really pissed and yell when this happens leaving their partner feeling like who do they think they are my boss? Lol you and your partner won’t always be on the same page all the time but when you respect each other and value each other no matter what and remove selfishness for each other Love will grow

[HighValue]

1. Logical thinking
2. Protection against outside threats (people that choose a weak man will easily die during a home invasion or robbery. It happens much more often than many people realize)
3. Problem solving
4. Emotional stability and rationality
5. Maintenance of the home
6. Advice for their children
7. Better discipline for older children
8. Better help with homework for their children on average
9. Often are the providers of the home (not always, but even when they are not the sole provider, they often provide much more financially than the woman does)
10. Technology setup (TV, Gaming, computers, etc.)
11. Humor
12. Anything requiring physical strength

Those are the things that are usually brought only by the man in a relationship. The remaining things (affection, cooking, loyalty, support their partner when sick, etc.) are brought by both. My list was for things that are mainly brought only by the man.

Also, not all men are equal. Some bring much less than that to a relationship.

[Anonymous]

men literally bring everything to the table they provide, they protect, men are women’s emotional support blanket, men do 99% of all the deadly, shitty and dangerous work.
Women will state that they are capable of doing all of these things but the second there’s a weird noise in the middle of the night they don’t go running downstairs to try and find out what it is they will always expect a man to do it.
Women will claim they make their own paycheque but it sure as shit they will have no problem spending a man’s money but they very seldom will let a man spend their‘s.
they will claim that they can protect them selves but if a guy ever goes to grab a hold of them and their partner doesn’t do something about it they will look down their nose in him because how dare he allow that to happen to her.

regards regards to the opposing view a man does not need a woman for protection a man does not need a woman for financial anything any man does not need a woman for emotional support.

[Blackcupcake]

lol anon I see

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Protection from what? We don't live in caves anymore. Also women have jobs. And they do as much emotional labour as we do.
I have no idea where you get your ideas or what kind of women you hang out with. But something tells me you don't actually have a lot of experience with them.

[Opinion Owner]

@Blackcupcake being anon has nothing to do with the truth so you can eat that shit cake all day. Your silencing tactic won’t work on me.

@This_is_my_opinion8 Trying to win pickme points isn’t going to get you laid bud. There are two societies ran by women and they live in grass huts. Women need men and society proves this simply because we exist outside of shitting in the forest. 99% of ALL dangerous and difficult work is done by men, if you don’t agree... Look it, the fuck, up!!!

[Opinion Owner]

All future retarded shaming tactics and childish idiotic schoolyard personal attacks will simply be removed. If you idiots don’t agree then discuss it like adults and actually speak on the topic not the speaker. It’s this asinine snowflake mentality that makes society so retarded.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I am married. I don't need points here to get laid.
About women leading, you are mistaken. There are many world leaders that are women. And they most definitively don't live in grass huts.
And my point about them being more than capable of doing everything we do stands.

Some culture for you. Women volunteered to the Russian army during the WW2 at the same rate men did.
In many counties after wars, a good chunk of the man population had died. So women took their jobs. From construction workers to miners. They did it all.

[Opinion Owner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I am married as well. That doesn’t change the truth. Stupid childish shaming tactics don’t change the truth.

Women leaders do not mean societies run by women. Women leaders are figure heads just like male leaders. And most women leaders are put there by social bullshit and quotas not by merit.
If women were capable of doing everything men did... 99% of all deadly and hard work wouldn’t be done by men. society wouldn’t have to remove standards so they could achieve the same things as men.
There are actual studies that show mixed platoons far under preform vs male only ones.

The problem with knowledge is most people simply listen to the gynocentric socially forced “girl power” nonsense and don’t actually look anything up.

www.npr.org/.../marine-corps-study-finds-all-male-combat-units-faster-than-mixed-units

and when actual data is shown these same feminist ideologues scramble to silence it or blame it on other things.
Society can’t seem to accept any negative anything ever spoken about these “strong and independent” women.

I was incorrect in the number of female ran societies but not the outcome of them. We have 8 and they are still all living in huts and are not advanced.
Minangkabau In Indonesia
Bribri In Costa Rica. ...
Khasi In India. ...
Mosuo In China. ...
Nagovisi In New Guinea. ...
Akan In Ghana. ...
Umoja In Kenya. ...
Garo In India.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

You were the one using a shaming tactic by calling me a pick me. That's why I said I was married.

Wrong. If you think the people on top of government have no power in what happens in your country you don't know how it works.

The first women who was in front of a state in the US was accepted as a candidate as a joke. No one thought she would win. After fair elections she won. She was preferred over the other male candidates. And this was way before feminism was even a word. So yes they are there for merit.

Listen to yourself! Do you really think men want to do that hard work? I am an engineer. I work with construction workers. Is considered a dangerous job. They do it, because they have no other career choice.
Why they do most of the dangerous work? Because they need to eat and that's the only option they have.

Actually studies show that women are better leaders than men. For the simple fact that they make better long term decisions. This is not nonsense, this is a proven fact.

Germany until recently was run by Merkel and every German lived her for the amazing job she did. As an example.
The current leader of the EU committee is a women. Ursula. She is amazing!

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Here
www.google.com/.../first-woman-mayor-susanna-salter-2651246499

[Opinion Owner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Like I said before...
A society where a female has power and a society run completely by women are two different things.
Like a female who is a platoon leader versus a platoon completely operated and ran by women. Where women do all the work that keeps it going.

And your example was so not an example of merit based anything... it simply showed that in one case a woman was jokingly put into a running and happened to be picked.

Society removed all obstacles for women which is why we have removed strength and endurance as prerequisites for firefighters and police... and have people now unable to do the job as effectively.

Men make up 99% of ALL deadly and dangerous work not because they are “stupid” and have no other options. Yes some obviously have no other options, but without men doing it, women wouldn’t pick up the slack. Which is literally what the statement about what men bring to the table is about.

No legitimate study would state that women make better leaders because that is simply not true. Women do NOT make better long term decisions, women live in the moment and are emotion based. That is biology 101.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5937254/

But stop basing your statements on one off female leaders that isn’t the point.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer Thank you brother. It’s nice to see someone else can see through the bullshit gynocentric nonsense

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Very well than nowhere in the world we have a society also completely controlled by men.
Following the platoon example, no society, literally none, runs off men alone.

It a proof that women do get to high places by merit. Simple as that.

You must be joking. Society pulls all kinds of obstacles to women. Why? Because there is plenty people like you around who will do everything to make sure they don't succeed.

Like I told you already women have historically pick up the slack on heavy jobs when there were no man around. So yes, if men do those jobs, is because they want to.

No legitimate study would because you refuse to believe that it is true. But it is. Men make better short term decisions and women better long term decisions in average. Blame biology.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

By the way if your friend wants to address me he can unblock me and I will be happy to talk to him. Like this I can't see his comment. I know that he is seeing mine and talking about it. Funny isn't it? Shows character.

[Opinion Owner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Well, Since men still do the 99% of the work that keeps society going. I would say yes we do.
If all men stopped doing the shit work, society would collapse. If all women stopped doing the female work men would easily pick up that slack. Being teachers and nurses, etc. Women are not capable of doing the work men do to the level that men do and in the numbers men do.

Name an obstacle women have to over come...
We have endless women only groups, clubs, funding, quotas, programs, initiatives, bonuses etc to put women in the roles they naturally wouldn’t pick.
We remove or reduce all protocols and requirements to put them in jobs that require strength.

if women made better short term and long term choices we wouldn’t live in a society where women are not held responsible for the decisions they make. Women will do things in the moment and not have any thought of the long term. The reason men hang onto feeling relationships and women bail on them the second they no longer suit her her because men see the long-term and women think in the moment and how she feels right now.
if women thought long-term we wouldn’t be living in a world where they’re emasculating males and calling masculinity toxic. They would’ve seen that this masculinity they hate so much is the reason they get to live in comfort and not shitting in the woods.

[Opinion Owner]

*failing relationship not
feeling relationship

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

No we don't, not even close. Women today make nearly half of the workforce. If they stop to work, society also goes down.
Again, women have in the past taken those heavy jobs. Is wrong to say that they can't. Time and time again in many countries post war this happened.

Certain companies refuse to hire women. I worked for two of them. Not considered to promotions because they are women. Taken less seriously. Endangering their career if they get pregnant. Etc. Think. Why those quotas exist? Because they would be turned down for jobs just because they are women otherwise. And still all the support you mentioned is not enough to cover the problem.
Now name an obstacle that men have to overcome that women don't.

Name for what responsabilities they are not held accountable for.

Women don't just leave because it no longer suits them. That's generic talk. It's the same thing as I say "all men will leave for a younger girl if they have the chance". Both are false generalizations.

They don't call all masculinity toxic you know that right? They want mascunility, but they don't want toxic men doing shit because "it's masculine". There is a difference.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

See what spuitkaas said here.

[shaysh87]

women can do anything that a man can. The only thing that a man provides is companionship. other than that, a woman can birth children on her own. a woman can support children on her own. a woman can buy a car, house, rental property on her own.

Men are actually not needed. They are really just an option. This is why our divorce rates are so high. Almost half of all marriages end up in divorce. Women can AFFORD to divorce men when they can no longer offer the companionship we want.

Sounds harsh but its true.

[David_Kek]

That's just something lonely women with nothing but cats to snuggle up to at night say.

[Subarugirl]

@David_Kek Actually I think that is what most women would say now that most have equal rights and aren't forced to be dependent on a man for survival.

[shaysh87]

@David_Kek

single women can have kids, single men can't.

[MrOracle]

"women can do anything that a man can."

That's not literally true, but it's even less true in practice. How many female miners, oil field workers, deep-sea divers, construction workers, heavy equipment operators, special forces soldiers, etc. are there? The number may not be zero in every instance, but it's practically zero, and the few examples there are would be women who are extreme exceptions.

How many AVERAGE women can change their own oil, or do a plumbing repair (replace a toilet or a water heater), build a fence, set up a computer network, re-key a lock, or split firewood? Most men can do at least some of these things, but can most women? Again, I'm not talking about the 1 in a million exception, I'm talking about if I went into your phone contacts and choose 10 random women out of your list, how many could accomplish these tasks?

The point is: a few exceptions don't really matter. Just because Usain Bolt could run incredibly fast doesn't mean that the average man can. What matters is what the majority can do, and despite feminism teaching you that women can do anything a man can, everyday reality proves that's a lie.

[HeartFullOfGlue]

@David_Kek Bruh thats high-key my dreamlife. I want that.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

[How many AVERAGE women can change their own oil, or do a plumbing repair (replace a toilet or a water heater), build a fence, set up a computer network, re-key a lock, or split firewood? Most men can do at least some of these things, but can most women? Again, I'm not talking about the 1 in a million exception, I'm talking about if I went into your phone contacts and choose 10 random women out of your list, how many could accomplish these tasks?]

a woman who is financially stable would have no need to learn how to change a tire or how to fix her plumbing. because she can easily pay for a company to fix it. Most men don't even know how to do an oil change nowadays. Most men don't even know how to fix plumbing issues. do you really think that you would know this shit just cuz your gender is male?

[Subarugirl]

I can do all of those things, (thanks for teaching be basic life skills dad) the reality is though that most people wouldn't know how. That's why companies who do those things makes so much money.

[MrOracle]

I don't think that being male means you spring to life with these skills, no, but men are FAR more likely than women to develop these skills.

And saying "I can pay someone else to do it for me" isn't the point - men can do this as well. But what you can PAY *someone else* (who is almost certainly going to be a man) to do is irrelevant - we were talking about what WOMEN can do - not what women could hire out to do. The fact that you moved those goal posts answers the question, don't you think?

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

here's a reality check for you :

Most men nowadays do not know how to do an oil change.

If there is a clogged toilet, most men will call plumbing company to fix it.

If most men were to buy a car, they would HIRE an auto technician rather than to inspect the car themselves.

Most men do not know how to do these things. So its time for you to shut your mouth and stop spamming non sense on here.

[MrOracle]

I'm not sure what kind of guys you're around, but that's certainly not the world I live in. And like I said, if you call some service for any of that stuff, will a woman show up to fix it, or a man?

[Anonuser838383]

Single men can have kids. Its called a surrogate.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

of course. Its not the first time I've seen you spew out non sense on here. I remember you also went around saying that all 30 yr old women were infertile and needed IVF in order to have kids.

You're just a woman hater who hates seeing women being independent and free. Seeing women being independent and free makes you feel like men are being diminished.

[shaysh87]

@Anonuser838383

most men don't have the money to afford a surrogate. And surrogates are also difficult to find. Its not something most women are interested in

[MrOracle]

Please quote where you think I said that - because now you're just making things up, or your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

I don't have to quote you. You're famous for being a misogynist on here. Nobody has to track what you've said. You're known for what you say.

[MrOracle]

Of course you don't. You can just make unsubstantiated accusations when you lose an argument.

The fact that most women can't do things that most men can do isn't misogyny, it's simply reality - facts that you can see in life every day with your own eyes.

Now, let me share something with you. I used to be a satellite TV installation contractor. This was an almost exclusively male occupation. In my entire region, in a 5 year period, across 17 contractors (totaling a bit over 300 installers) in my region, there were only 3 women who did this job. Two of them worked for me, and I hired and trained them both. One quickly washed out, and the other did a great job and was with me for over a year until they discontinued using contractors.

A great big misogynist like me employed 2/3 of all women who worked in my field in the greater Bay Area over a 5 year period... that doesn't really square, does it?

[poof_22]

@David_Kek don't threated me with a good time.

[Anonuser838383]

Most women can't afford the 1m dollars it takes to raise a kid at a decent standard of living. Whats your point?

My point is... Surrogates guarantee you have custody of your kids. And everything is up front. The only people who would object to this idea are the poor and the childish romantics who think their relationship/marriage will be special.

[shaysh87]

@Anonuser838383

[Most women can't afford the 1m dollars it takes to raise a kid at a decent standard of living. Whats your point?]

you don't need 1 million dollars to have and raise a kid.

but you probably need 1 million dollars to hire a surrogate, pay for her hospital bill along with her medical needs throughout pregnancy

[Anonuser838383]

And? you need 1m dollars for a Lamborghini too. Does that mean I should settle for a shitty toyota? I think id rather spend a mill on a hot young surrogate than have $100k worth of jack off in a cup test tube babies, with a spinster in her epiphany phase.

And yes, it does take well into 1m to raise a kid with any sort of self respect. Or are you gonna get them the cheapest clothes, cheapest food, cheapest car, cheapest vacations and cheapest entertainment systems? And if they want to start a nw hobby they have to wait unil their birthday or Christmas... then you can't even afford tutors... yeah, the world doesn't need another loser. Decent kids need a lot of water.

[shaysh87]

@MrOracle

that wasn't even the topic. Your assertion was that a woman cannot survive on her own because she can't fix her car or fix plumbing.

Women can very well survive on their own without a man in the house. Because reality of what BOTH MEN AND WOMEN do when they have pluming issues is to call the PLUMBING COMPANY. Its something thats typical and very common.

PLUMBERS WORK ON PLUMBING, NOT SOME UNQUALIFIED RANDOM GUY.
AUTO TECHNICIANS WORK ON CARS, NOT SOME UNLICENSED CLOWN.

are you mad that a single woman can have kids on her own, can support her kids on her own, also get her plumbing issues fixed on her own? are you mad bro?

[shaysh87]

@Anonuser838383

It still doesn't refute the fact that single women can have kids and family. Single men can't.

[EnglishArtsteacher]

Yep, you're right. I think many men don't want to admit it, but we are becoming more, and more useless.

We do, however, offer great Fantasy Football tips lol.

[HeartFullOfGlue]

@EnglishArtsteacher You do

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@Subarugirl While this is true, many women here in the United States of America still expect men to provide for them.

Personally, I think it should be equal both ways. Men need to step it up via household chores, and women need to step it up via income.

[shaysh87]

@EnglishArtsteacher

What the reality is, both husband and wife working full time jobs. The only difference is , women tend to do most of the child care and household duties. Women are the first responders to take days off when the kid gets sick

[EnglishArtsteacher]

@shaysh87 It's definitely happening more than it used to. Where I live, both men, and women often work full-time jobs, but the men are still expected to be the breadwinners.

It is true women are burdened with childcare, while men avoid it (which is a major problem).

[shaysh87]

@EnglishArtsteacher

I don’t think it makes much of a difference who the breadwinner is if both spouses are working. Life is getting more expensive by the day. Inflation is out of control. Most families can’t afford to rely on 1 income without suffering immensely. Contrary to what is being said on here , many modern young guys would straight out not date a woman without a job. Times really have changed.

[Anonuser838383]

"Single men can't have kids" stunning ignorance

[shaysh87]

@Anonuser838383

Because that’s a fact? You don’t have the money for a surrogate and it’s also hard to find a surrogate

[Anonuser838383]

I dont know who you think you're talking to. Some fat short balding unintelligent poor incompetent and an inexperienced loser. That says a lot about you as a female.

[HeartFullOfGlue]

@Anonuser838383 That said nothing

[David_Kek]

@shaysh87 just out of pure curiosity, are you a single mother by choice?

[ChrisMaster69]

I tend to a man of all seasons.

at times it’s love, stability and support (physical and emotional), that post in the middle of the raging river to hold on to.

other times it’s rope, a gag, leather strop, some candles and a bag of fun toys.

i even manage to carry plates from the kitchen to the table with the meal I have cooked.

sort of the tree for the squirrel, I have the nuts n the wood, n give the squirrel a home.

[ChrisMaster69]

@ you know who, Yes lol

[Harleigh90]

@ChrisMaster69 🤭 Life made

[ChrisMaster69]

@Harleigh90 Can we have it on the beach and give the cash to charity?

[Harleigh90]

@ChrisMaster69 Wouldn't have it any other way 🥰

[Oigit]

You shouldn't be thinking of terms of what a man or woman bring to the table. You should be thinking of how they can improve your over all quality of life. Because you should be self sufficient enough to get everything you need and want yourself. Also self sufficient enough to provide a good quality of life for yourself.

It cuts out a lot of the drama out of a relationship and makes you a hell of a lot less likely to put up with someone else's bs due to being in a relationship. Because you quickly start thinking I can get everything I need and want by myself. This person is causing my over all quality of life to fall past where it was without them. So why the hell am I keeping them around?

[Sirenboobzilla]

So maybe my input might be unique among some of the others. In my case, I make more $ than my boyfriend, and I can pay each and every one of our current expenses on my own should I ever kick him and our roommates out. That said, this man brings me happiness, a sense of security both physically and emotionally, he does pay more than his fair share of the expenses and works hard to do it. He brings his knowledge of cooking and computers (he built me a PC to match his). But, most importantly, he brings his brings his open mind to the table. I'm never letting him see this cause there's too much of me tooting his horn there, but there it is.

[Shamalien]

Security and provisions. Basically survival essentials, pretty important stuff. Now these days a woman can out earn a man, but it is very rare she can feel as secure by herself as she would with a man. The world is upside down now and traditional relationships are becoming rare. Still, I believe in gender roles and things just work better with division of labor. Women trying to be men are not what men want. A successful man who earns enough to support a family wants a wife who prioritizes things other than income, because he has that taken care of. Women are designed to raise kids. Fight me

[089Lexi]

I agree

[Subarugirl]

You're misguided if you think that most women chose their careers and how to live their lives biased off of what men want. Most women don't want a don't want men to tell her what she is designed for... yet here you are

[Shamalien]

@Subarugirl Hey Subarugirl?

Eat a dick. I’m tired of the world revolving around “what women want”. Increasingly, women resemble spoiled children more than any adult. Did you all forget that you are the baby makers of society, or do you want it all to burn down?

Women choosing their own happiness over their family = extremely violent young men and misguided young women raised in single parent households. The world is so fucked I hardly know why I try, and then the propaganda machine is still churning you fucking zealots out. Do whatever you want, but I’m entitled to my opinion and I get to choose which kind of women I date. Inb4 emasculating insults, telling me I’ll be lonely forever, etc, just get lost I’ve heard enough of you on this site

[Subarugirl]

Jeez emotional much? Calm down and then maybe we can have a rational discution

[Shamalien]

There’s no rational discussion with religious fanatics. When you grow beyond your cult like beliefs and become a real person instead of a carbon copy 21st century fembot fresh from the press, then we can talk. You know where to find me

[mobiusforniner]

Depends on the relationship, I guess. For my marriage, in addition to the sole paycheck, I do all the cooking, the bills, the dishes, the laundry, vacuuming, cleaning, yard work, repairing all lawn equipment myself; fixing the house, repairing the cars when they break down, managing all home networking/computer infrastructure; teaching our kids how to play music, how to ride a bike, ski and play sports; build radio control aircraft and launch model rockets (and then get turned into the cops for it); help with kids' homework. Comfort and take care of wife when she's sick, take kids out for playground and ice cream when wife wants time to herself.

I'd like to think I bring a lot to the table. LOL

[DarkWinterNights]

You even bring the table itself from the sound of it.

[mobiusforniner]

@DarkWinterNights that too. Lol

[loveslongnails]

I asked my girlfriend that question, and here's what she said:
" You've made everything in my life a lot more fun to do, and I've done things I don't think I would have if not for you. Also, you believed in me and helped give me confidence to further my career, encouraged me to take more risks and accept bigger challenges in life. You make friends easily and have brought many good people into our lives, also whom I probably wouldn't have met without you. You play guitar for me, showed me artists I love that I'd never heard of, and taken me to great concerts. You're great to travel with. Oh, yeah... you can cook, and you don't just have a nice dick, you know how to use it, and how to make love too".

Money has never been a real issue for us, so it never mattered who was making more of it. I can't speak for other men, but I'll take that. Made me kinda misty, you know?

[Lj0011]

All the responses are not productive.
All im seeing is men who fall for terrible women and women who fall for terrible men. You only have to bring yourself to table and not pretend your someone else, if they don't like that person move onto someone who does. Im trying to work on myself for myself not because i want to be seen as competent person but because i want to be a competent person and its damn hard and seing a question like this brings out childish behaviours in both men and women
I still have a long way to go working myself with self esteem issues though.

[Kaamraj]

Traditionally in a relationship setting there is exchange of resource provisioning and protection from the side of men, and sexual exclusivity and reproductive rights on the side of the woman. So, men are bringing in resources and protection. And that is quite evident in the way women select mates who are vast majority of the times above them socio-economically (hypergamy). Globally, the average man works more hours, risks more, earns more, than this wife or girlfriend. Now I am not going into love, respect, support, etc. because those are intangibles.

[Xoxocutekitty]

Assumptions, expectations, pride, the unfounded belief of what they deserve (lol).

Ideally honor, courage, generosity, kindness, humor, good family/friends, affection, and physical labor (yes that can include sex).

This point can be made for both genders.

[De_La_BakedBeans]

We can bring whatever women bring. Sure, maybe we can't carry a baby, but we've got the swimmy bois. Lmao...
But anyway, both men and women can bring an infinite number of things "to the table". We don't have to separate them and give them gender based roles, other than those of a mother and father. A guy can go make money, and so can a girl. A girl can take care of the kids and clean the house, and so can a guy. I can go on, but I won't as I'm too lazy to write all of that... Lol.
Anyway, hope that clears thang up for ya. Have a good one!

[hellacray]

Ugh... Money is pretty important. It means the guy has a job/career. If he has money in the bank it means he's actually saving it and not just blowing it all on things he can't really afford or gambling at the casino.

Then you want to see how much debt he's carrying. Cause if he has a lot of debt and you're trying to make a big purchase like a house your interest rate might go up a lot or you may not even qualify for a loan.

And all adults are capable of bringing in a paycheck but if you want stability it's best to have a partner that brings in some sort of income to the household. You don't want to date a guy that has no job and no skills.