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yay, double standards.
let's look at ACTUAL sexism. male rape happens and yet rarely considered or discussed, Plenty of women grab and touch men and even if the male dislikes it no one is throwing them across the room in self-defense. hell if their roles were reversed the male would probably be locked up also. if your counter is a woman is less threating that in and of its self is sexist also.
Hell if a robber is running out of your house and you shoot them that does not fall under self-defense. so a man slapping your ass and you dislocating his arm and putting him in a choke hold is hardly defense. choke holds are not defensive moves but offensive, a taser sure but followed up combo moves no.
in a world of double standards, equality is dead. and if equality is dead my treatment of you does not have to abide by such ethics,
I have no issues with men defending themselves against women if they feel threatened.
And yet those people who are all for it, in this case, would very well be on a different stance if the sexes were reversed. in fact, it's easy to show such. I don't see many feminists mentioning the issue of male rape which is HIGHLY overlooked and is an equality issue. we talk so much about male on women assault yet I hear a strange silence on the reverse which can happen just as often. hard to tell as there is little support in reporting it
I can't control what other people do and do not care about. Neither can you. So instead of getting upset that "feminists always overlook male issues" why don't YOU get active and talk about those issues? Just because I wrote this myTake about women doesn't mean I'm oblivious to issues men face, I simply chose to write about this particular topic because I found it interesting. And if other people want to talk about issues men face, they are more than welcome to do so. If you are passionate about male issues then by all means, you should write your own myTake or actually go out and advocate for those issues.
you and about 90% of people chose to talk and write about such issues as this that has been talked to death over and that just about everyone agrees on *women getting assaulted is bad* we have laws against it. and yet the very little discussion on the other. there exist MRA groups and they get fucking ignored and tarnished by the Left. so creating a group is hardly efficient it's sparking discourse and discussion that creates attention.
it's through debate that lies the truth. nor was this entire thing off topic from your mistake when you were saying and I quote "While the potential for violence is always there in our world, whether you are a man or a woman, the risk is a little bit different for women. Not only do we have to watch out for obvious threats, we also have to be aware of less obvious threats as well. Yes, I'm talking about sexual assault." both sexes have to deal with that it's not just different for women.
My comments are obviously from a woman's perspective and nowhere in this myTake did I state that men can't be sexually assaulted, just that women in general typically worry about it more, which is true. Sorry, but I know a ton of men and none of them have ever expressed being uncomfortable or worried about being assaulted by a woman. Honestly, I've had men straight up TELL ME that they like it when women grab them or touch them inappropriately at bars or whatnot. That doesn't mean all men like it though so if you want to fix that issue, then perhaps more men should bring it up. And if a man DOESN'T want to be touched, he should definitely speak up about it or defend himself if he is feeling threatened by it. So again, if YOU want to bring up those men's issues, feel free to write a post about it, no one is stopping you.
your goal is solving such issues on women's assault. the key to doing that is to fix that unequal perspective. lest you wish your claims to fall on deaf ears. I speak neither from a males or females perspective but from a Human one. the moment you only deal with such perspective and bias is the moment you lack the footing to speak on equality
Riiiiiight, it couldn't possibly be that I simply know what it's like to be a woman and therefore, have more experience with women's issue specifically. I already said I'm aware that men have issues too, but if you'd rather just get mad and complain on the internet instead of actually going out and advocating for men's issues yourself, then sure. 👍
@TheOtakuMaid, then go start you own question/mytake about violence and sexual assault of men. No need to disrail THIS thread.
Literally the laziest thing you could possibly do to stand up for the things you believe in is to hijack a topic that has very little to do with the topics you're interested in, and then complain about the writers/commenters "not caring" about your topics. People are capable of caring about multiple things at the same time. Scarlett writing about this one topic doesn't mean that she cares about literally no other topic ever.
If you're so passionate about whatever it is that you're passionate about, go ahead and write your own mytakes, start your own discussions elsewhere. The way to get attention to these topics is not to derail existing conversations and to verbally puke on people for not catering to your interests. It's to build a space for these topics. You don't do that by invading existing ones and pointing fingers.
@lumos YES. This.
The situation does lie different for women. If a man is assaulted by a woman he is expected not to defend himself. She responded with extreme agression and it is being celebrated. Imagine if a woman grabbed a man's ass like that and he responded in the same way. It wouldn't be celebrated all over social media. People would demand he be locked up behind bars.
someone said one time that a woman can keep knocking the man on the head even with a freaking hammer, but the guy can't hit a woman, cause "He's no man" he's a "faggot" or some other stupid oppressing word bullshit.
Yea actually that's totally true
@10dsw what's actually totally true? what OP said?
He drew first blood. He has no one to blame but himself.
You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. He won some new wrist-wear.
"He drew first blood."
Did he? On what evidence? I've culled for evidence about this story and found no evidence other than her word.
See my response. I'm asking you the same question I've asked scarlett.
@scarlett
Body not public space?
Some here think it is:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2502130-thoughts-on-public-hair
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2511315-at-what-age-public-hair-started-to-develop-on-your-body
Thanks for the laugh. I needed it
How about keep your hands to yourself just because it's the mature and respectful thing to do?
I don't feel bad for the guy, he'll have learned his lesson. I do think the girl was a bit aggressive to attack him just for a butt grab, but sometimes you have to send a message to get your point across.
The only issue I have is if it was the other way around, (I have gotten my ass slapped before) I would not be able to get away with the girl's behavior for such a minor offense.
you would have easily been the one going to jail instead of her.
Why is it when a girl gets assaulted she can attack the guy back to her heart's content even long after he stopped attacking her. Yet when a guy is assaulted by a woman he still shouldn't do anything to her unless she tries to continue assaulting him.
You sexists make me sick.
I never once said men don't have the right to defend themselves. Take your assumptions elsewhere.
so you never heard ''a man shouldn't hit a women'' liar..
Depends. If she stopped him from continuing to assault her then what she did would be in the right.
If he stopped and didn't advance upon her any further, it might be seen as an excuse to choke hold him. She'd be in the wrong.
At least here in MA.
Great take. Sexual assault regardless of what gender does it, is wrong.
You know what's funny though? The guys who do this kinda shit tend to be homophobic and are worried about gay men doing the same thing they do to women.
@bloodmountain1990 a high probability, indeed
I think she did the right thing defending herself and this is a problem but I'd also be hesitant to make assumptions about what happened just on the off chance it's not quite as it's portrayed and to avoid setting a precedent of guilty until proven innocent.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAIqVFlVwAAnncQ.jpg
Don't understand what is wrong her jokes?
pretty sure her refuse to loved with Guy's white... because she got black...
RESPONSIBILITY HYPOCRITE !
Responding with violence to something that is not violence is not self defense.
If the genders were reversed the bartender would be in jail, right after a self-righteous mob beat him up for "assaulting" the poor woman who merely slapped his ass.
The guy deserved it! Not because he groped this girl, but because he wasn't ready for the possible payback. However, these kinds of stories are very rare, and the chances of this happening to most guys is very small.
Although, groping women isn't my style, if I ever did try it than I'd be ready to fight hard and dirty if she showed any signs anger or aggression at all. A woman take a big risk when she gets physical with a guy who knows how and when to fight.
Not necessarily. I mean I talk big and would probably react out of instinct and attack in this sort of situation... but I know for a fact I cannot take on the average man. My body is more fragile, but I won't be considering that in the adrenaline of it.
@JailbaitGamerGirl Fighting when you don't absolutely have to is just plane stupid. Here's a 20 second news clip that might help keep your adrenaline under control:
Woman suffers fractured skull near RU campus
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m0x9rqPTPo&spfreload=10
O hoary double standards.
Also FYI I hate to break to you but the vast majority of men have no desire to touch you or grab you. Especially in the US where so much as saying hello to a woman can apparently get you almost sent to prison and accused of sexual assault. And men have been sentenced to prison for doing less.
I've already been sexually assaulted, thanks. Which is one reason I got my concealed carry permit, so I will not be a victim again. Just because you *think* the majority doesn't do it doesn't mean it never happens. If YOU don't do it though then great, this myTake is not aimed at you. :)
You mean like full-on rape? Wait no, they rarely go to jail for that.
"I don't even consider myself a "feminist." I have tons of opinions that feminists would likely disagree with. It's pretty sad when no one can bring up gender-specific issues without others saying "but men!" or "but women!" It's just stupid and minimizes any valid issues that are being discussed."
You do realize you're just as guilty of this ^^ as anyone you are complaining about, right? Your take here paints men as assholes and women as victims. That is the problem with feminists like you. Yes, you are a feminist whether you call yourself one or not. You may not like to think of yourself as one because you don't want to believe you're as bad as they are. No feminist wants to think that about themselves. But they are, and so are you.
Your take, the way you presented it, does more harm that good. All you're doing is venting to make yourself feel better and alienating a shitload of men from your cause the process. Well done.
Nothing in this myTake implied ALL men grope women, if I was really talking about ALL men, I would have said exactly that. I simply said "guys" as a general term, aimed at the men who DO engage in behaviors like this. It's funny how so many men got so defensive about it, does that mean you're guilty of it yourself? If a man doesn't grab random women without their consent, then he has nothing to worry about and shouldn't feel "called out" by this myTake. All I did was encourage all women to learn ways to defend themselves, which they should. If certain men are getting upset about it, that's not my problem. I wasn't talking about ALL men but if the shoe fits...
And by the way, shame on you for assuming this guy was guilty and going ahead and posting his photo on a public forum where it will live on until the end of time. You've appointed yourself judge and jury and sentenced this guy to eternal public humiliation, whether he's guilty or not. How feminist of you.
"ll I did was encourage all women to learn ways to defend themselves"
Bullshit. You seem moderately intelligent so I know you understand what I'm talking about here. The only thing you're lacking is honesty.
I simply shared a viral trending news story and gave my thoughts about it. People make assumptions all the time about whether or not someone is guilty of a crime. Major news outlets are always sharing these types of things, so getting mad at me about it is rather irrational.
You clearly see what you want to see then. Again, not my problem if you interpreted this as a dig at *all* men so again I say, if the shoe fits...
Nice rationalization there. I have reported you for intentionally compromising a potentially innocent man's privacy and dignity. I hope your karma catches up to you sooner than later.
Cool 👍
scarlett, so since media does it that makes it ok for you too? its not right under any sense.
@Idontevenknow444 It makes it right for me to share my thoughts on the matter, yep.
you are not just ''sharing your thoughts'' you just keep pushing this toxic narrative. I dont disagree with rape being wrong, but the approach, its horrible. it antagonizes half of the people reading it.
and it defames the guy who may have actually done nothing wrong. just poor journalism
Serves that guy right. Law is clear. Touch someone, he can use force to defend. Awesome girl. Guys like that make us look bad.
Seriously, other than her tweets, what evidence is there that he broke the law?
@Bluemax she may have witnesses.
she ''may''? you automatically assumed she was in the right. you didn't even bring any other possibilities
@Idontevenknow444 The whole place took part in a club. So yeah i assume there are witnesses. Plus he wouldn't be arrested if it was just her word against his. So he either confessed or there were people around.
No guy ever touched me when I didn't want him to and if they did they would regret it
why would they regret it?
@gaguser2453 I know how to defend myself.
so, you think you can beat me up?
@gaguser2453 I dont know you. but a guy who tries forcing himself with unwanted touching is usually not expecting a girl to fight back
so, you got a strong right hook? how do you defend yourself? you should get some pepper spray.
@gaguser2453 yes as a matter of fact I can throw a punch. guys dont expect a woman to be able to so its a surprise as well. I have been in fights believe it or not
i believe you lol. so what is your goto defense? I have never fought in my life lol.
@gaguser2453 dont get me wrong I dont like fights but I grew up in a ruff hood and learned to take care of myself. if I have no other option I will defend myself. of course first try to avoid a fight. (run from a bad sit for ex.. learned to run in heels too lol)
year I grew up in a bad place too lol. I am from new york I even got robbed with a knife before and it was 3 against one. im sure if you were there though you would do a 360 kick or something lol but I froze up
That guy is pussy. How do I know?
1. He got beat up by a woman
2. Cries after the cops arrest him.
Someone revoke his man card right now and get him some tampons.
She didn't say she beat him she was just fighting him off. but I agree with you.. crying? really dude?
@Tanisha69 She mentioned:
" I dragged him out in a chokehold"
If a girl is able to drag a man out of an establishment in a joke hold... I qualify that is getting your ass beat. Lol. Not like a real ass whopping, but the fact that she was actually able to do this to him.
Takes his man cards and gives him a tampon
lol I suppose. but in a chokehold you can't breathe and it has nothing to do with strength. even a strong dude who can't breathe would be easier to handle, might not be hard to haul him out a door while he is coughing for oxygen
so if a girl grabbed my arse would it be ok to put her in a chokehold
If you felt threatened, sure.
actually touching without consent is assault. someone assaults me and yes I will try my best to kick his ass
He just grabbed her ass. There's a difference between "curvature" and "paranoia."
You see girls asking literally ALL THE TIME why men aren't as "manly" as they used to be.
WELL LADIES, HERE'S WHY!!
YOU'RE WELCOME!!
So being "manly" means grabbing random women without their consent?
Think of it this way. How would he know if she'd consent to it if he doesn't try?
Lmao Wow. Because you can't just talk to that person and gauge their interest, you HAVE to go ahead and grab them to find out. Sounds like a lack of self-control to me.
"Gauging her interest" just isn't a thing nowadays. You can never take what appears to be an interest level at face value anymore.
Many women make "not looking for sex" type profiles on dating sites, wanting a guy who'll go for it anyway. Many girls will say they don't like a certain guy to save face, only to end up in bed with him some time later. Many will pretend to go along with things the guy is saying thinking it'll make him go away faster. Many will pretend to like you just to fuck with you. We just can't trust it.
And Lord forbid we take extra measures to really analyze how interested she is, otherwise we're just "creepy" (or a million other things).
So if you really believe all of that then it SHOULD be common sense to stay on the safe side and assume a woman doesn't want to be grabbed by a stranger. 😊
See I WOULD be inclined to agree with you.. if it weren't for how a lot of random seductions happen in this way. The guy just goes and tries and she just happens to like it.
Except we aren't talking about two people who have built a rapport and are getting intimate. We are talking about perfect strangers. If I haven't even spoken to a guy before and he thinks he is entitled to grab me, then we're going to have a problem and I am well within my right to retaliate.
Yeah exactly. Why do you think a lot of one night stands happen?
How would I know that you don't consent to getting your ass fucked with a cactus if I don't try?
@lumos Ass grab vs cactus shoved up the rear?
I don't know lass. They tend to be on completely different levels.
I'd say they're pretty much on the same level in terms of both being capable of being non-consensual. Nothing is manly about grabbing a stranger's ass. It's what cowards do because they don't know how the fuck to interact with other human beings and they think they'll get away with it.
@lumos The guys who do so do it because they know there's a high chance they will get away with it. I suppose by that logic there's nothing manly about having sex with a girl on the first date. It's what cowards do because they don't know how the fuck to be made to wait.
How far off am I?
I would advise any guy to not grab my ass when I barely know them. i dont care if the guy looks like usher
I don't know what's manly about having sex with a girl on the first date? Except that the difference here is that it's probably consensual, whereas randomly grabbing stranger's asses isn't.
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