A hypothetical dystopian scenario of a world dominated by radical left wing totalitarianism

[ADFSDF1996]

Note: This take/article is not about a “conspiracy theory”. I reject the idea that the world’s governments are all planning something sinister for their own citizens. That is a common conspiracy theory constantly fear mongered on both sides of the political spectrum. There is no basis on fact/logic that supports such a bogus story. Never has a government just out of the blue decided to become totalitarian overnight. Totalitarianism has always given warning signs/symptoms prior to fully taking over a nation. Totalitarianism has always taken over nations via coups, revolutions, civil wars and collapses of a nation. Not to mention that every non totalitarian country has put several safeguards in place to prevent politicians from gaining too much power. With that being said, while there are conspiracy theories have been proven true, this conspiracy theory is not one of them.

The following is a frightening and realistic hypothetical(fictional) scenario of what could happen if the developed world in the future were to fall to radical left wing totalitarianism. Before you call it “exaggerated” or a “slippery slope” just know that this is meant to portray a hypothetical worst case scenario.

What you’ll read below will show you why I distrust and dislike the radical left wing so much.

Synopsis: The year is 2086. After a series of natural catastrophes, wars and political incompetence. The world’s countries and currencies collapsed, superpowers like the US ceased to be both a world power and a nation. While many other nations that heavily relied on the US were also negatively impacted. Chaos and anarchy followed after the collapse. Many soldiers went AWOL in order to be with their families, Many civilians perished in the ensuing chaos. Many survivors who knew what was coming fled to safe areas off grid, while many also stayed put. Out of the ruins a new government came to be, a radical left wing totalitarian government. The founders of this new government saw the collapse coming many years prior and thus were better prepared than most other people. Their usage of giving false hope allowed to them gain many followers, this allowed them to effortlessly impose their will on the remnants of the old world order. What followed afterwards eerily coincided with both biblical and scholar(Orwell) prophesy.

What will rise from the ruins of what was once the mightiest nation on Earth?

Fate of the world: A very large portion of the world collapsed and succumbed to the new radical left wing regime. The only countries that managed to get back up and didn’t lose sovereignty are Japan, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Mexico, Israel, Vatican City, China, Russia and some countries in sub Sahara Africa. While these countries remained sovereign/free they became powerless to oppose the radical left wing regime by themselves. For the purpose of this take/article I’ll be strictly focusing on the society of the fallen developed/first world countries.

World’s current superpowers

Censorship: One of the first things citizens would notice is the heavy restrictions on what they can can watch, listen to, read, or say. Some of their favorite movies and tv shows will be banned. Many of their favorite songs that supposedly have “political messages” will be banned, many of their favorite YouTube channels will be banned, many conservative and independent public figures will go into hiding/exile for safety, many books will be banned etc. The only way you can access censored materials is through the black market and work arounds.

Thought control: The radical left wing regime will also try to control people’s thoughts by using their version of behavioral sciences(pseudo-psychology and pseudo-psychiatry) to create what they would claim are “mind reading devices”.

Gun Bans: In order to decrease a chance of an uprising, the regime’s secret police will take advantage of the disarray and quickly confiscate the guns of it’s citizens. The only people who manage to keep their guns are the doomsday preppers and resistance that went underground.

State Police, open up and surrender all your guns! The regime thanks you for your cooperation.

Usage of secret police: Every totalitarian regime has their own secret police force that keeps the citizens living in fear. This radical left wing regime would utilize it’s secret police force to keep tabs on people who exhibit so called “harmful” behaviors

Don’t mind us, we are just watching you 24/7.

Religion ban/persecution: As a result of anti theism being endorsed by the new radical liberal regime, religion is banned. All religion goes underground or in exile in the independent countries. The only religions that would be somewhat tolerated by the regime are the very few religions that are compatible with radical left wing ideology.

Heterophobia: The radical left wing regime would also try to add restrictions to heterosexual relationships. Men and women will only be allowed to fraternize upon regime approval and specifically for the purpose of reproduction. Men and women who want to date without restrictions will have to do so in private/secrecy or flee to a independent country.

Straight pride parade

Sexism and attack on traditional gender roles: Men would suffer a lot under this regime as a result of all the ideals they’d be expected to meet and for all the restrictions implemented on them. Men would be prohibited from participating in strenuous sports, going to the gym, flirting with women and buying certain items like men’s clothing. The only way men could work out without shame is at home and use the black market to buy items restricted by the regime. The regime would shame men for being short, fat, Chubby, muscular and traditionalist. Likewise women will also suffer from the reversal of gender roles. Women will be forced to act more “butch”, not wear feminine clothing, cosmetics and not flirt with men. The regime would shame women for being petite, slim, fit and traditionalist

Sexism then, sexism now. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Environmentalist extremism: Extremist environmentalism will also be enforced, which will ban the consumption of meat and the production of any animal based product. People will no longer be allowed to grow grass or plant whatever they want in their homes. Any cultivation of flora would require special permission. The number of children you can have would also be limited and access to water would be heavily regulated.

Artificial meat would replace real meat

Abolishment and restriction of private property: The totalitarian radical left wing regime would also prohibit privately owned lands(farms) and businesses. The regime would also limit Home, backyard and garden size

Antifa Commies

Mandatory RFID chip: In order to be able to make purchases or have a job, a citizen will have to have an RFID chip implanted in them. If a citizen is to refuse an implant they won’t be able to make purchases or find a job.

Weaponization of psychiatry and usage of psych wards as re-education camps: The field of psychiatry would be used as a means of suppressing political opposition and anyone who supports ideas that the regime disagrees with. The religious, centrists, independents, right wingers, traditionalists, straight people, masculine men and feminine women would all be at higher risks of being targeted and imprisoned in psych wards where they would experience psychological torture until they are broken and brainwashed.

“Mr. Miller, owning a Bible is both toxic and illegal. Why don’t you own a Communist manifesto instead?” -Corrupt shrink

Advanced surveillance: Aside from public cctv, the radical left wing regime will also keep tabs on it’s citizens via the cameras on smart phones, tablets, computers, TVs etc.

Racial profiling: The regime would also profile and target each race for exhibiting cultural traits they consider “harmful”. For example: Asians would profiled for being too smart. Hispanics would be profiled for being Catholic, Whites would be profiled for being Christian and Blacks for being potential rebels.

Pseudoscience would slow the advancement of science: As a result of the radical left wing regime rejecting authentic science, logic and reason. All in favor of pseudoscientific and pseudo intellectual PC ideas. Science lags behind while the independent nations’ scientific achievements prosper. Whether it be medicine, technology, weaponry, transportation etc.

lack of variety: Whether it be what you eat, the movies you can watch, the shows you can watch and pretty much whatever can be purchased. Citizens would find that there is no variety. Boris Yeltsin himself was surprised by the wide variety he could find in American supermarkets.

Propaganda machine: The radical left wing regime would use propaganda to brainwash it’s citizens into obedience. Whether it be posters, movies, tv shows, internet articles. The propaganda would be used to shape public opinion to be favorable towards the regime

Obey without question

Decrease of life expectancy: The regime’s pseudoscientific pursuits and poor quality medical services would cause medicinal technology and research to lag, causing is population to suffer a decrease in life expectancy.

Drop in IQ and education: As a result of people not getting any kind of proper education because of the distortion of scientific fact, using pseudoscience to educate, censorship and the brain washing techniques used by the regime. The average iq would drop very low. What was once 90 and above would soon be 70 and below.

Mass distrust: As a result of people trying to stay on the good side of the regime. There will be a lot of selling out/tattling amongst the populace. Whether it be out of fear, jealousy, ambition, vendetta or ignorance. Neighbor will sell out neighbor, co worker will sell out co worker and so on. This would lead to mass distrust, citizens would never know who they can or can’t trust.

You plotting against me?

The radical left wing regime’s weaknesses: Fortunately for the oppressed, there would still be hope that one day the radical left wing regime would meet it’s demise as a result of it’s weaknesses.

Weakness 1, Incompetent army: As a result of the radical left wing regime’s army being too use to tormenting docile and frightened civilians rather than fighting other armies or an uprising. Plus there would always be the chance of the army turning on the regime once things start to look rough, just how the Romanian army helped the Romanian civilians overthrow the communist Romanian government in 1989.

Weakness 2, Prone to infiltration: The regime would also be susceptible to infiltrators who are determined to destroy the regime from within. It could be a person rising through the ranks until reaching a high enough rank to have the means to destroy the regime from within. Or it could be a high ranking official that has a change of heart that also decides to destroy the regime from within.

Weakness 3, Prone to hackers: As a result of the regime’s heavy dabbling in digital technology, the number of hackers working for resistance targeting the regime would rise.

Weakness 4: Knowledge is power: The reason why totalitarian regimes rely on strict censorship, misinformation and delusion is because the regime’s know that once the populace knows the truth and starts thinking critically, the chance of uprisings happening greatly increases.

Weakness 5, the shadows: The biggest weakness of the regime is it’s inability to know who is the resistance and where is the resistance. While the regime operates out in the open which allows the resistance to know the regime’s every move.

Conclusion: While we in the developed world can rest easy knowing that our generations(Baby boomers-Generation Z) most likely won’t have to deal with a totalitarian regime anytime soon, a lot of proto totalitarian sentiments are starting to manifest themselves to a certain extent. Future generations will have to thread carefully and listen to these warnings in order to prevent totalitarianism from taking over the developed world. Totalitarianism is never a good thing. A government that uses force, intimidation, censorship and right/liberty infringement to govern is a government that doesn’t care about it’s people and eventually collapses. Totalitarianism is not to be debated, it’s to be toppled.

Demolishing Soviet WWII red army monument in Poland

Supplementary readings:

Proto totalitarianism, the warning signs of an ideology’s totalitarian agenda

Some of the many historic stands against communist/Marxist tyranny and injustice.

My criticism of psychiatric wards

How stereotyping and socially acceptable prejudice negatively affects the Asian male

The strained relations between Asian-Americans and liberals explained

A brief list of men’s issues that have been ignored for far too long

Feminism: An Ideology Full Of Contradictions

How to be credible and gain respect in the science community

Radical left wing proto totalitarian ideas that are starting to manifest themselves in society:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/16/happens-psychiatric-abuse-begins-affect-politics/

https://shaunti.com/2019/01/toxic-masculinity-or-an-attack-on-masculinity/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2017/06/masculinity-not-toxic-stop-blaming-men-everything/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/asians-face-racism-social-justice-warriors-accuse-them-privilege/amp/

Marines attacked by Antifa

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1893484001

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1WM1JP

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/12/760386808/orourke-promises-to-take-your-ar-15-but-americans-are-split-on-buybacks

[Girther10]

Extremely well written and researched kudos to you for this mytake. I hope everyone reads this and takes it seriously because it is all based in well researched facts and in my opinion is entirely an accurate prediction of how our future may already be shaping up. Many of the conditions you listed are already taking place as we speak I would have to do is look closely at what the social justice warriors and the progressives are doing they are pointing us in that direction totally and that is why I am anti-progressive to my very core

[supercutebutt]

Nobody cares what you are.

[Girther10]

@supercute- except for you and the Asker who declared my remarks as the most helpful. So yeah, nobody cares... 😂🤣😅🤪

[sindicated]

I think she just called herself a nobody, by commenting she indicated her level of commitment to your answer. Not caring i. e. apathy would be no response and no mention. Clearly a nobody.

[supercutebutt]

Let me rephrase that... "No non-Nazis care about what you are." Better? Now go vote in my poll. Do something productive for once in your life!
If You Have a Baby, Do You Plan on Having Sex in the Delivery Room? ↗

[sindicated]

Ah yes the fascist pokes its head out. Thought crime in progress, label your opposition a nazi. If they dont agree they are a nazi. They are an enemy of the people.

[supercutebutt]

@sindicated This is like some weird Nazi parade!

[Grobmate]

Bravo and very wrll put together. Yes, the same warning signs we saw with the Birlin Wall, Lenin and Stalin, even chairman Mao... they are already upon us.

Marxism, (including feminism), postmodernism. This is all just history repeating.

[devilman666]

I really want to believe you are trolling the asker. Please confirm so I can keep my faith in humanity?

[Grobmate]

@devilman666 you can keep your faith in humanity if you cease to troll and go and educate yourself on 20th Century history, since it is apparent you know very little.

History is indeed repeating..

[TayTay21]

I hate to say it, but this is all underway right now. I never believed in all the globalism talk until my friend and I started discussing stuff like that in college. I slowly started seeing that these "conspiracy theories" were more than just theories.

[SirRexington]

Globalism has existed ever since international trade had existed. It's called capitalism.

[Oram52]

It IS a conspiracy theory.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@SirRexington Capitalism is not the same as globalism. Capitalism is about free trade, globalism is about removal of national identities and borders. Two very different systems, one is about a society with individuals interacting, the other about a hive mind.

[supercutebutt]

So you aren't the brightest bulb on the porch. No big deal. There are jobs for people like you. Don't let people say you have nothing to offer. You still do. :)

[RolandCuthbert]

@hellionthesagereborn Nah, you just made that up. In order for free trade to be effective, nations must adhere to certain standards. The reason why trade can negatively impact us, is because jobs are outsourced to countries that do not even meet bare minimums for freedom of speech, press, minimum wage, healthcare, etc.

In that environment, the American worker cannot compete and international companies can outsource wherever they are free to exploit the workforce.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert nah, you just don't know anything and have no desire to learn so you spout the same bullshit over and over again.

[RolandCuthbert]

@hellionthesagereborn haha!!! Don’t get mad when I expose your ignorance. If you would just keep your mouth shut you wouldn’t get embarrassed.

❤️

[hellionthesagereborn]

@RolandCuthbert Yeah, I'm not mad, I don't get angry at people who are to stupid to understand reality. Confidence in your beliefs is not equivalent to facts and that's all you have, blind faith and confidence in your opinions which are routinely proven wrong by reality and common sense. Their is no point in discussing anything because you don't have the mental capacity to actually think and consider alternative views to your own. You will never accept reality because it frightens you and your ego is to fragile you will never challenge yourself. Your a waste of time.

[Oram52]

@hellionthesagereborn Somebody perpetuating conspiracy theories is telling us to grasp reality?

[RolandCuthbert]

@hellionthesagereborn of course you are mad and embarrassed. But again, just stop spouting nonsense and ignorance and I won’t have to do the whole smack down thing. It’s funny you simply deflect to insults and whining. You didn’t try to go back to talking about the nonsensical point you were making about free trade. And that’s good. Stick to what you are semi-good at. Taking about free trade is not one of those things. Go back to taking about conspiracies and lizard human hybrids. Mythology is your area of expertise.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Oram52 it is how they roll. They spout ignorance about “free trade” without knowing a single thing about trade, workers rights, outsourcing, etc. Then he gets embarrassed and resorts to mudslinging and starts talking about “reality”. I am not an internet troll. I work for a living. Just this weekend, I almost missed an outage window for my client because of outsourcing by Cisco Systems Technical Support. I complained bitterly. I have literally purchased millions of dollars worth of equipment from that company and their plan to outsource their support is killing me.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oram52 What conspiracy theory is being perpetuated exactly? Globalism? That's not a conspiracy theory that's a fact, it exists, I mean what the hell do you think the EU is? So what conspiracy theory are you talking about (also making a claim that something I said was a conspiracy theory in no way shape or form invalidates my claim. You would have to one, prove its a conspiracy theory which you haven't, and two, and this is more important, you would still be forced to prove whether or not its wrong, which you didn't because you can't.).

[Oram52]

@hellionthesagereborn " prove its a conspiracy theory"
Burden of proof lies with the person making a claim!!!

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oram52 Yeah, and you claimed what I stated was bullshit. That's moronically stupid, you made a claim and you didn't provide evidence for it. I did, I pointed out globalism is what the EU is doing with its attempt to remove borders (by dictating who can immigrate where without asking the people of the nations what their feelings are on the subject), its creating global trade policies for every affiliate member but punishing them if they leave which is exactly what EU is doing to the UK, etc.

You then claimed it was bullshit, again, the operative word here is CLAIMED and then provide literally no evidence to back that claim. You trying to shift the burden of proof onto the only person who provided proof is idiotically stupid and the very thing your accusing me of doing. I'm sorry but you don't have an argument, you claiming its a conspiracy theory even when I presented a real life provable example of globalism, is itself a claim and thus you are by your own claim required to provide evidence for it.

[Oram52]

@hellionthesagereborn "Yeah, and you claimed what I stated was bullshit. That's moronically stupid, you made a claim and you didn't provide evidence for it."

I said it was BS as it is BS - a conspiracy theory. I need NOT provide any evidence at all as your statement is NOT rooted in any evidence nor have you provided any evidence apart from another conspiracy theory about EU opening its borders.

EU have had open borders for 20 odd years, most of open movement has been within EU from other EU states, it was inherent part of current EU structure.

I make a statement santa clause is real - you obviously laugh at me and outright dismiss it. You need NOT provide anything to support your dismissal of my stupid comment about santa clause. I need NOT prove anything about globalism conspiracy theories few nutjobs are perpetuating.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oram52 So do you not know what a claim is? Claim: state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
Did you state something? Yes. Did you provide evidence to back it up? No. Ergo you made a claim and didn't back it up because you don't have an argument.
Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Now here is where you could have tried to provide some kind of evidence and claimed that Globalism is about free trade across nations and that would have technically been true. However its "technically" true which isn't what it actually is. Globalism as its currently manifested is not the same as globalism in the economic sense. It is political globalism which is generally defined as such: "Globalism is the belief that nations must act to benefit everyone, even if it comes at the detriment of the nation enacting policy, whereas nationalism is the belief that a nation's interests must come first, regardless of the effects on other people or nations." which is what I was referring to and is the globalism that we ACTUALLY see. So you claimed that what I said was bullshit, you proceeded to provide no evidence and then argue that I had to prove that your claim was wrong, so you made the claim and the burden of proof was pushed on to me. I then pointed out that this was backwards however I then proceeded to provide the evidence for my argument.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Oram52 You then claimed bullshit again, and again pushed the burden of proof onto me (because again, you have no argument) at which point I have provided you yet another rebuttal to your claims despite the fact that you have provided as of yet no proof either objective, or logical or even an argument in general. So again, you are wrong and will continue to be wrong until you can provide some kind of evidence to prove my statement incorrect (which of course you cannot as I have demonstrated twice now). So in short, your wrong and we are done here (because I do not have the patience to deal with some one who cannot even compose a half ass argument to back his assertions).

[Oram52]

@hellionthesagereborn Again NOTHING. Just oh you keep saying it bullshit but... NOTHING!!
Who are these globalists? Where is there headquarters? Do they have any particular aims? Any organizations? Why haven't people caught up to them if they are evil? How do they decide what they decide? Are they prevalent in specific countries or are they everywhere? How are they able to implement their evil plans?

Globalist conspiracy theory is just fear. Fear of lose of white America. America losing its whiteness, America no longer being white protestant (which America never was, there is also a thing called first amendment of the constitution). Which is also impossible as nearly 50% of American population is non-white. Its also fear millennial's don't hold onto and are fine with diversity. In 2018 millennials voted for democrats compared to republicans with a difference of 35%.

You see same thing in UK. Millennials perfectly happy with staying in EU, freedom of movement is what of the cetntral reasons why millennials voted to stay in EU.

Angela Merkel was the only one that wanted refugees as Germany is in dire need as there population has declined, so they need immigrants, immigrants from within Europe weren't enough. No country has open border policy. UK, US, France all have stringent immigration policies. For someone to become UK citizen they need to be earning over £18,000. To become US citizen is even harder. No country is allowing anyone and anything.

All countries manage their immigration policies, there is no shadowy organization called globalists working into the shadows to undermine countries, by orchestrating mass immigration to destroy those countries from within. Its just your imagination.

[Utahslastbadboy]

So this is a subject that hits home you all can say what you will about this topic and it's relationship to the topic of conspiracy theories being real or any truth to it being applicable? But I am the son of this contraverial world My Father was
Dr. Jerry D. Nilsson MD. ( Gifted Surgeon or Mad Scientist , South Africas Wepons Of Mass Distrucrion, The Darker Side Of Politics, The Medicine Man , and The Biofem incident in LA 2000 and the Antrax in the US mail 2000). My Father was the man behind all the conspiracy theories! And Larry Ford was the one responsible for the Anthrax mailing in the postal services mail scare he became unstable in 2000 and did not like being cut out. When I convinced My Father to put out the cure for Aids!. Food for thought Aids was the responsibility of the US Government ! And all Allied governments were in on it was created Here in The US. What happened to those chimpanzies in the Nasa space program? Do you really think we would spend billions of dallors to send a monkey in to space not withstanding the fact 5hen and even now thay we are all just a bunch of adrenalin junkies!!! Aids has creared the world's largest superfund in research , pharmaceuticals , and treatment. And it spurned the pharmaceuticals age you all know today, as well as this bull shit gender revolution gene research and reassignment my Father invented the boob job. and pioneered today's medical revolution chemical biological genetic and psychological warfare departments in the US , So Africa , Veitnam and Korea. Papa Doc Haiti. Were not forgotten but a part of the research and His Ton Ton Bacudies. Were very real he was the Last Witch Doctor. The real deal born and bread straight out of the bush. Shit hairdo pierced nose ears and lips. Elephant scrodom medicine bag teeth filed to points like a piranha did it by himself I might add. Now say what you will that took some spine! I new him personally and I met Mugabe when he was still eating people. If you think it is just conjecture or theory you are all fools I'm the one telling you it is all very real and true I am Jerry D. Nilsson Jr. The last person alive today to have the only first hand knowledge of all of it but don't believe me look all that shit up yourselves. If you all want to let yourselves be brainwashed go right ahead you are just throwing your future away and allowing yourselves to be controlled by those who have no concern for you only the power you are giving them to manipulate and control your lives!!! And you did not get thst frim some conspiracy theorists theories!!! Or your government. To the point in fact any government?

[RolandCuthbert]

I find this hilarious that you would "publish" this at GaG. The forum where males are all confused about what is or is not masculine. Where masculinity is defined as whining about feminism. Here I am a 47 year-old man, whom has never had to subvert my masculinity to appease any woman. And if a woman is offended by my need to define my masculinity, I am pretty certain I hardly notice. In my thread where I talk about masculine traits, I was attacked by more men than women. With the men, the thread really struck a chord and resulted in endless debate. With the women, well that was easy. They are women, they can't define what is or is not masculine. I dismissed them without a thought.

1. Let's take your craziness from the very beginning. At GaG and of course throughout the net, there is no such thing as non-"White" Conservatism. A "White" person advocating the insane nuttiness of racial segregation, "White" extinction theory, and all manner of craziness is embraced as being "Conservative". But an American Indian looking to preserve what left of his culture and his people is not "Conservative", he is racist. Muslims who are just as "Conservative" from an unbiased point of view, aren't Conservative. They are leftists. In your insane world, Conservative is a racial/political definition. It isn't a listing of ideals, virtues, or qualities not based upon a person's politics or mythological race.

2. Censorship isn't your issue. Your issue is you do not want to be confronted when you spout something ignorant about groups you define and exclude. The funny thing is, you use ignorance as your way of "knowing" them. You beat them over the head with everything you do not know about them, then whine like a pup when they show you how ignorant you are. You do not want a society with the free flow of ideas. And you pretend that you are trying to offer alternative thinking by making the false claim that stifling the free flow of ideas is actually just another alternative view. Never once accepting that under this type of totalitarian regime, your ideas or ideology could be stomped out just like all the other views you dislike or cannot tolerate.

3. Mind control? It isn't even a sane thought. We are in the trump era. An era defined not by differences in ideology, but in belief and faith in one man. Trump has never held a belief in a political ideology outside of which belief system will give him the most money or the most praise. He will ally himself to Saudis who murder citizens in the street in broad daylight, if they buy rooms in his hotels. We no longer argue over political differences. We argue whether or not the citizens of this nation can voice their disagreement with a president that the minority claims approaches the infallibility of God.

4. This may be the only point holding some validity in your rant. This is a topic is worthy of debate. But extremist positions destroy that possibility. Somehow, someway, we have got to get back to talking and communicating. But your kind thinks you can win by simply putting your hand over your ears and screaming.

5. Secret Police? There are not too many militant groups that are left wing. There are not too many police officers holding secret affiliation to left wing groups who are going around persecuting "Whites" or non-"White" who are supposed Conservatives. Again, just nonsense.

6. I have argued with atheists here. My only point to them has been they are just as unreasonable as the religious zealots they accuse us of being. The funny about this rant is that it does not recognize that obviously, the vast majority of people on this planet are religious. Even the Soviet Union could not stop their people from holding religious beliefs.

7. So the world would be run by women? Haha! Next!

[RolandCuthbert]

8. Yeah because in your version of the world, somehow corporations owning things while private ownership dies would not be possible? Just like now corporate farms are thriving and private farms are barely surviving on the few tax dollars they are getting from us. Again, just more nonsense.

9. Yeah this whole RFID thing is nonsense also. What about credit, loans, and access to capital? It is a more restrictive system everyday based on race, class, social status, etc. That is a left wing conspiracy too?

10. Yeah all the surveillance legislation of the Patriot Act was passed under that lefty George Bush and lefty Republican House and Republican Senate.

11. I think the whole heterophobia conspiracy nonsense stems from the deep-seeded fear in Western culture that women don't need men. That they could just get some dildos and/or get together with some other women and take care of each other. And somehow masculine men will just die off and the only ones left are the er. . . gay or something insane like that.

Dude, women will do whatever they have to do to get a man. It is hard thing to talk to a man who simply does not engage in logical, balanced common sense thinking.

12. Hilarious. The number one thing fake conservatives claim is that there isn't enough money put into psychological counseling. You show here that the entire argument is based upon lies.

13. Racial profiling? This is too funny and too ridiculous to comment on. Who pushes Kumail Nanjani to be a comedian? The supposed "left" or the supposed "right"?

[RolandCuthbert]

14. Sorry dude. I have never met a more unscientific bunch than you conspiracy theorists, fake conservative, anti-pcers. Somehow, it is scientific to ignore the conclusions of science when it comes to race mythology. It is scientific to ignore the conclusions climatologists when it comes to climate change. It is scientific to ignore the conclusions of doctors when it comes to women's health care. We get idiots claiming that a woman can stop herself from getting pregnant after she was raped. I could post nuttiness from here until next week about all the unscientific nonsensical claims repeated by politicians, GaGers, youtubers, 4channers and on and on.

15. How is diversity defined by having everyone reach the same conclusions about the same things?

16. Life expectancy of the States in the U. S. All I can say is Wow!!!

en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_life_expectancy

17. Selling out? You mean like trump's administration?

In conclusion, basically each point is just a strawman you create then take down. You even contradict yourself and common anti-pc talking points in every other paragraph. Your project you own insecurity about your masculinity rather than taking responsibility and understanding it is you and only you who can define what it means for yourself.

Its weird, so many of you guys think you are projecting toughness. You don't you project weakness. The world is doing you so wrong. You can't create your own path and take ownership of your own power.

Weird and sad.

[ADFSDF1996]

1.) Saying there is no such thing as a bob white conservative is no different than denying the Sky is blue.

2.) It goes both ways, I don’t go astound telling people what they can or can’t like.

3.) I never said anything about mind control, I was talking about thought control. Even though no technology to monitor thoughts exists as we speak, the idea of thought control can lead to unwarranted suspicions.

4.) So we agree for the most part when it comes to gun laws.

5.) Many secret police organizations started off as common trouble makers with extremist political ideologies

6.) I’m starting to think you only skimmed through my post. Of course religion would still exist, albeit underground.

7.) A totalitarian matriarchy isn’t impossible. We already have gynocentric societies in the developed world.

8.) Do you really think communist regimes just look the other way when it comes to privately owned businesses and lands?

9.) You do realize some companies are already chipping their employees right? And no it wouldn’t necessarily have to be about race.

10.) Yeah just because one side of the political spectrum does it, doesn’t mean that the other side can’t do it as well. *sarcasm*

11.) Tell that to the Buffoons who claim that nobody is 100% straight.

12.) Right because there aren’t shrinks making unsolicited diagnosis on Trump based on his political ideology. *sarcasm*

13.) The left wing has a long history of discriminating against Asian Americans. Tell me, who was it that gave the green light to intern Japanese-Americans? Hint: It wasn’t the republicans.

14.) Strawman fallacy

15.) I’m talking about choices.

16.) Wikipedia eh? Don’t know what your point is with statistics that wouldn’t be accurate in a world that is radically changed by the worldwide societal collapse.

17.) Non sequitur

[ADFSDF1996]

Your conclusion: All of your counter arguments failed to fully address my points. All you did was nitpick and take things out of context to make it seem like you could substantiate what you said but upon closer examination your counter arguments where easy to refute. I still give you “A for effort” for at least trying to form counter arguments, even if they were faulty.

[RolandCuthbert]

1. Conservative ain’t all “White”. It never was and it never will be. You can be Conservative and not advocate for one thing in your perfect “White” Western Culture. Read Chief Joseph of the Nez Pearce. Was he a liberal? Just because his skin was dark and he was proud of who he was?
2. Dude, if you can’t take criticism that ain’t my problem. Do what you tell liberals to do. Get thicker skin.
3. Yeah because mind control and thought control are two totally different concepts. In this nation, we have the right and even the duty to voice different opinions. That right ends when other rights are violated. We had this thing called a Constitution.
4. Of course. But we ain’t going to solve this problem by being obstinate.
5. And right wing extremism always tries to get a foothold in law enforcement and the military. The ideology is based upon control.
6. Nah, I read it all. Religion ain’t going nowhere. And even in the Soviet Union, it thrived. I have been to Russia dude. I have know people who lived in the USSR. Most of this planet is religious. Period.
7. It is impossible. But I guess to the males at GaG it is reasonable. Only at GaG can we have a discussion about what defines masculine traits. . . and have the vast majority of men say. . one word. . .”penis”. That is terrifying.
8. Way to pretend that corporate ownership and “private” ownership mean the same thing.
9. You are not talking about RFID with respect to employers. You seemed to mention it as some government program. Maybe you need to think about this conspiracy theory. You seem to have confused yourself. Are you trying to claim corporations can’t do what they want with their employees? Or as you saying that the leftist government is going to chip you to control you? Get back to me on that.
10. Uhh, dude, you didn’t mention anything about republicans and surveillance. Don’t accuse me of what you are guilty of. Zip up your fly.

[RolandCuthbert]

11. Tell me something. Why does a man. . care about what other people choose to identify as. I like women dude. And what is more important, women like me. Why are you confused because other people are?
12. Yeah I know some Asian-Americans who disagree with you. Not all Asian-Americans think the same way. Isn’t that supposed to be the chief argument of psuedoconservatvies? Oh wait, you guys only pull that argument out when politics are involved. Got it! And again, tell me about Awkwafina’s politics. Is she a leftist or the picture of “White” conservatism? What about Lil’ Mushroom? Kumail Nanjiani? Wait. . I don’t if he is a real Asian or not because of the whole weird race thing y’all got going. Kim Booster is a gay male Asian comedian. Is he conservative? Is he not? Tell me his politics. Tell me how your politics create these vast differences in style, behavior, beliefs, identity. . . oh wait. . . that wasn’t your point really. . . was it? Yeah. . think about it.
13. Your whole argument is a straw man. It is funny. You have it both ways. Liberals can’t agree on the color of a blue sky, yet somehow they can unite to create some uniform society. Your definition of liberalism gives you away. There aren’t many people who agree with all of the tenements of “liberalism”. It is a basically about a bunch of factions that are any given time may not be considered to be conservative. “White” gays don’t necessarily care about racism. “Blacks” can be extremely homophobic and anti-immigrant. I even posted about this. Latin immigrants can be extremely sexist. Asian-Americans can really dislike Hollywood the nonsensical stereotypes of Asians in the media, etc.
14. Your entire argument is a straw man.
15. Yeah me too.
16. Yeah. . . because wikipedia isn’t quoting the Institute of Health Metrics. You could have noted the source, but you didn’t did ya? https://vizhub.healthdata.org/subnational/usa

[RolandCuthbert]

I didn't nitpick anything.

Your scenario isn't remotely possible.

Because there is no such thing as a coherent liberal anything. The very definition of liberalism is. . ."the inability to get anything done of substance". Because they get in each other's way and step on each other's feet. Liberals have no coherent strategy and if you spent two seconds with them you would note that. Before trump, it was the Conservative advantage. In this era, things have changed. The people I thought who actually believed in American ideals and values simply lied.

And now I am re-evaluating my beliefs and my own politics.

I will never be a liberal. But I will put a gun to my head if forced to support trump or anything like him.

[ADFSDF1996]

1.) Not only is it a hasty generalization, it’s irrelevant.

2.) That’s ironic, it’s you who needs thicker skin considering that you are the one who is bothered by what I wrote yet you can’t form any valid counter arguments except for incoherent rambling. I haven’t used any ad hominems yet, so I don’t know why you are are so riled up.

3.) So what do you suggest, arresting someone just because you think he or she is a “Nazi”? Unwarranted faulty suspicions have led to many injustices throughout history.

4.) That doesn’t mean that extremism is the answer.

5.) The victims of the Bolsheviks, NKVD, Stasi, red guard and other communist secret police organizations would have been more than thrilled to hear you say that.

6.) That’s what I said, Religion isn’t going anywhere but under such dystopian circumstances it would definitely go underground/secret.

7.) What were the chances of a failed artist with a toothbrush mustache taking over Europe?

8.) Means of production. Also Private property and personal property are two different things.

9.) Right because misused ambition by totalitarian regimes are definitely not a thing. *sarcasm*

10.) It’s not unique to one side of the political spectrum. Don’t act like it is.

[ADFSDF1996]

11.) Way to take things out of context, I could care less who a person chooses to have sex with. I’m a straight man myself, so of course I wouldn’t be happy if a regime tried to add restrictions to me fraternizing with women. Hence why I’m pointing out that heterophobia is real and should be fought against. Us straight folks are people as well.

12.) Right because all Whites are conservative and all minorities are liberal. False dichotomy if you to assume that I should be liberal just because I’m a minority. Many Asians I know agree with me because they know that liberals could care less about Asian-Americans. Heck liberals barely care about Hispanics. So no, I’m not a liberal.

13.) Another strawman.

14.) Are you running out of things to say?

15.) Doesn’t sound like it.

16.) Statistics become outdated after a couple of years. Do you really think those statistics would be relevant after a societal collapse?

It is far more possible than an “American 4th Reich” that the liberals constantly fear monger.

I think you missed the whole point here, it should be pretty obvious that I’m criticizing radical leftism.

[RolandCuthbert]

1. It is not a generalization. I am simply responding to your supposed points with facts and logic.
2. I need thicker skin? That’s funny. If I had your worries I would’t leave my front porch. My goodness, an interracial same sex, tranny couple is holding hands. Gasp.
3. Yeah, since you are being stupid. Go back to reddit and tell them that Roland is arresting everyone he thinks is a nazi.
4. Right. So stop being extreme. The world isn’t as bad as you make it out to be. You can get a girlfriend. . . and while you are at it, get two. You can fit in. You can find acceptance.
5. Yeah, they are the only victims in the history of the world.
6. It never has gone anywhere, it never has gone underground and any government or movement that tries to take it will fail. Period. Human beings are spiritual beings. The vast majority believe in God.
7. And how did he do that? But the fact that you think women could take over, I think is the compelling evidence that these ideas aren’t based upon anything rational.
8. Yeah like mind control and thought control.
9. What does this have to do with RFID? Oh, you had a brain fart on that one.
10. You are still accusing me of what you are guilty of. Again, you made no mention of the Patriot Act.

[RolandCuthbert]

11. Perfectly in context sir. You have an issue with how other people choose to live. While I could give pigs behind. If you feel some restrictions on fraternizing with women, I would have to say that is a personal issue. Heterophobia? I can’t help but laugh. Maybe having bad luck with women has little to do with heterophobia.
12. Yeah, keep saying nonsense I have never said. I mean, I know it is hurtful, but you created this nonsensical thread. And now I want to expose this whole lie about “White” Conservatism.
Everytime I approach this subject, you claim I am saying all non-“Whites” are liberals. Nah, I am accusing you of that ideology. You keep saying you are “Asian” which is completely nondescript vanilla that means nothing. So let’s take a supposed non-"White" “Conservative”, Dinesh D’Souza. He talks about his Indian background, but only when it is useful to debate those he disagrees with. Because Dinesh is not “Conservative” from an Indian point of view right? He immigrated to America. He marries a “White” lady. He embraces this idea that Western civilization or “culture” is better than his own. Its weird. Even his views on women are considered to be liberal in terms of his culture.

Yet here he is “Conservative”.

That’s what i meant.

That’s what I said.

Twist your way out of that one.

Conservative in terms of the West or “Whiteness”. And other cultures have very “Conservative” views in terms of issues like ethnicity, group identity, religion, feminism, sex, and on and on.

So when you state you are “Conservative”, I know it has nothing to do with any worldview outside of a “Western” context. You only mean politics and then only the politics born out of the debate in the U. S., I should not even bother with mentioning Europe. The debates we have here are not possible there.

[ADFSDF1996]

@RolandCuthbert
1.) Don’t delude yourself, there’s nothing logical about first saying that only whites are conservative and then contradicting yourself. The fact is that being conservative has nothing to do with race, anybody can be conservative regardless of race.

2.) More strawman arguments.

3.) Says the person who can’t tell the difference between a difference in political opinion and screaming “fire!” in a movie theater.

4.) Very well

5.) I never said otherwise, all I did was point out how you ignored such events.

6.) Except that it did go underground in Stalin’s Soviet Union and is currently underground in present day China. www.google.com/.../china-christians-religious-persecution-translation-bible

7.) Non sequitur

8.) Exactly, now you’re getting it.

9.) It has everything to do with RFID, don’t you realize that everything starts somewhere?

10.) I never denied that extremist practices can’t be exhibited on both sides of the political spectrum. So the patriot act isn’t a valid argument.

[RolandCuthbert]

13. Not a straw man. You anti-social guys think “liberals” are a movement. That’s hilarious.
14. Nope. I just want you to respond to that whole “Conservative” nonsense. Non-“White” people can be Conservative too? Dude, non-“Whites” invented Conservatism. You think Asian, Africa, Indigenous cultures were running around spreading liberalism? Haha!!!
15. You are dreaming of a “White” societal collapse? :D

Yeah, I don’t you know your point. I think you do a lot of youtubing of extremists, you spent a lot of time on extremist sites. Then you blame the lack of female attention on “liberals”.

You won’t make women all hot, by recounting to them the failures of feminism, liberalism, and the downfall of Western Civilization.

You do that by taking them out of a movie, throwing some compliments their way, dressing nice, and being funny.

Those guys on 4chan, got it all wrong.

[ADFSDF1996]

11.) Making unwarranted assumptions and straw-mans? You do realize that I’m speaking out against heterophobia right? I’m a straight man myself and I would not appreciate a regime telling me that I can’t date women.

12.) That’s about the dumbest thing you’ve said in this thread. Again, the audacity of you trying to tell me that I should be liberal just because I’m part Asian. How many times do I have repeat my self by saying that liberals, Communists, socialists and democrats don’t give a damn about the Asian American community. It was a Democrat who gave the green light to intern Japanese Americans. while the NAACP and the party of America supported the internenment camps. Harvard (a liberal college) also was accused of denying Asian student enrollments. What you are saying is no different than asking a Jew why he doesn’t support the Nazis.

[RolandCuthbert]

1. Says the guy who is dreaming of the downfall “Western Civilization”.
2. That’s just your response when you don’t have one. A thick skin. I have never met a group who are hurt so easily and so deeply than you anti-social guys. If you got out and socialized, you would see how easy it is.
3. Again accusing me of something you are incapable of. If you voice an opinion that isn’t popular, have the balls to stand by it if you feel it is right. I am not too popular around here young one. But I am not going to change to get people to like me.
4. Done.
5. I didn’t ignore anything. In fact, I didn’t mention any events at all. You did. Why do you continuously accuse me of what you have actually done?
6. You still ignore the obvious. Religion is not going anywhere. The funny thing is most atheists here at GaG would call themselves “Conservative”.
7. Uhm. . . yeah, they are persecuting Christians. ?
8. Yawn.
9. Nah, it actually does not. You are avoiding the conversation because you contradicted yourself. How can a regular citizen fight against a company trying to “chip” him? The things that make you go. . . hmmmm. . .
10. You see, you made no mention of the Patriot act then you accused me of being “partisan”. Yes, of course. . . Silicon Valley have/has their finger deep into the dems. But not they are finding the repubs are being a little more open. But how can we fight back, when everything is a damn conspiracy anyway?

[ADFSDF1996]

13.) There you go again making more strawman arguments. I never said liberalism is a party. And quit acting like a shrink attaching unwarranted labels to people who have different political views.

14.) What does that have anything to do with what I said? I never said only whites are conservative, that was you.

15.) more strawman arguments, just say you ran out of stuff say.

16.) Respect is a two way street in a relationship. Your relationship won’t last if you act like a soyboy.

[RolandCuthbert]

11. I am just saying blaming liberalism and heterophobia for being alone is not a good plan. Get some confidence in yourself. Dress better. Being social take practice. And you can’t get that practice on 4chan with your extremist buddies. You can’t get it watching Ben Shapiro. At least watch a bit of Jordan Peterson. I don’t agree with all he says, but he preaches self-reliance, responsibility, control and he talks in detail about being masculine.
12. As for this whole nonsense of me claiming you should be liberal because you are Asian, you can stick that whole lie up your ass. You are not just an unbalanced conspiracy nut. You are a liar.
How many times am I going to have to tell you that non-“Whites” invented Conservatism? And how many times are you going to lie and claim I am saying the opposite? I don’t care about your backwards political argument about which party did what? Its is the same as claiming the republicans fought against slavery. Are those the same republicans who claim the monuments to those racist democrats are their heritage?

As for your lies about the NAACP, supporting the interment, I mean it isn’t like you would debate using facts. Of course, most “Black” people were silent when it came to the Interment. They would not support the Japanese. They were busy trying to prove they were loyal. And it is a fact, the NAACP was one of the few organizations that raised an objection.

So check your facts young one.

[RolandCuthbert]

13. And how do I not act like a shrink? We as a society have to understand what goes into the creation of you guys.
14. No, that was not me. You are a liar. You define Conservatism strictly in a Western/American context. Find a way to speak the truth.
15. And that’s what you say when you do not have a response.
16. You know I apologize. I somehow have given you the impression I want your respect.

[ADFSDF1996]

1.) Yet another straw argument?

2.) Whenever someone tells another person to get thicker skin (which you said first) it’s usually projection. Don’t blame me for you being unable to hold a civilized conversation without hurling insults.

3.) All I did was refute your point, now you’re using an ad hominem to defend your point?

5.) It’s a matter of tu quoque

6.) Again I never said it’s going anywhere, practicing in secret doesn’t mean it’s going anywhere.

7.) Then you should get my point (assuming you read the article)

8.) Very “mature”

9.) Are you incapable of understanding the misuse of technology?

10.)”Everything I don’t agree with is nothing more than a conspiracy theory.”-Roland Cuthbert

[ADFSDF1996]

11.) Your whole premise is rendered invalid when you resort to ad hominems.

12.) There you go spouting more BS via your confirmation bias. How about you actually do some research before spouting such nonsense. Read the book “Give me Liberty!” Volume 2 by Eric Foner if you want proof of the NAACP supporting the internment. Don’t lecture me on history when you clearly are ignorant in said field mr generation x.

[ADFSDF1996]

13.) Have you not been paying attention? We were literally arguing about how behavioral sciences specifically psychiatry is being used as a political weapon. Oh wait, it took you 6 days to reply to my last comment.

14.) Conservative has a different meaning depending on culture.

15.) Don’t make excuses

16.) Um What? I’m talking about respect between a man and a woman in a relationship.

[ADFSDF1996]

11.) Yeah Typical response from an internet white knight questioning my ability to attract women. Your unwarranted assumptions/sweeping generalizations are null considering that I have no problem attracting women.

[RolandCuthbert]

1. So your treatise is not on the downfall of Western Civilization? You guys always have a hard time figuring out what you are trying to say.

2. First, I am not the one whining about what people say about me or my views. You are. I think this point is key. Because of a lot of you guys do not like masculinity. Especially when it tells you to get tougher. Second, why you think you engage in civilized conversation is beyond me. Conspiracy mongering is the opposite of civilized conversation. Civilized conversation is usually logic based while referencing actual facts.

3. But you didn't refute anything. And let me respond to this charge of "ad hominen attacks". Let's take one example of your supposed logical reasoning. "Liberals want to turn this society into a matriarchy." So this is the funny thing. You float this as an actual factual logical conclusion, while not acknowledging that such a society has never existed in the history of mankind. And the only point of reference for how this could happen comes from fantasy and mythology. So what is a person supposed to do with nonsensical statements and positions that have no basis in fact other than ponder what could be the source of such lunacy?

5. You ignore facts in the argument you created. Then claim I am the one who is hypocritical. I am awestruck

6. You have complete and total ignorance on life in the Soviet Union. I gave you the opportunity to just admit that. But since you won't, I will move on.

[RolandCuthbert]

7. Again, you don't seem to know you are arguing. Were you arguing that Buddhism was being banned? No, you picked out a specific religion.

8. I gave your criticism all of the attention it was due.

9. Being a technologist, I understand use and misuse. But it hard to have a conversation with a person who does not understand technology. It is that misunderstanding that gives way to the fantasies in your treatise.

10. No, conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. Facts are indisputable. See the difference?

11. Again, when you can figure out how to create a position that uses logic while being fact based there will be no need to opine on what going on with your mental state.

12. So because my research shows that NAACP voiced concern over the Japanese Interment, I have confirmation bias? And I will lecture you since you are ignorant. Reference Cheryl Greenberg, Journal of American Ethnic History Vol. 14, No. 2. The weird thing is, I already acknowledged that the vast majority of African-Americans supported the Japanese Interment. I am not certain what this has to do with the temperature on Jupiter. The original point we were arguing had to do with American Conservatism. Which I pointed out is not the only way "conservatism" is defined.

[RolandCuthbert]

13. Oh, if you are going whine over how long I take to respond to you, then you might as well cry a river right now. I have more important things to worry about. And this is another point where you simply avoid the issue you brought up because it doesn't support your political goal.

14. Really? Haha!!! Tell me this again, just like I didn't say this in my first and every subsuquent post to you.

15. I will make an excuse. I am a ladykiller because I am good looking and confident.

16. Sorry, I thought we were talking about your political conspiracy theories. If you want relationship advice, watch Dr. Phil, every weekday at 10am on OWN.

[RolandCuthbert]

"Yeah Typical response from an internet white knight questioning my ability to attract women. Your unwarranted assumptions/sweeping generalizations are null considering that I have no problem attracting women."

Your whole argument is based upon sweeping generalizations of whole groups of people who simply don't agree with your politics at the moment. I say at the moment because just twenty years earlier, some of your positions would be considered quite "liberal". But if I make generalizations about you personally, I am somehow "the bad guy". Newsflash, I am a bad guy. I am big fat jerk. I don't know where this "White Knight" charge comes from. But White Knights don't have much in common with jerks.

So I will say again, you can find success in dating young guy. Just practice, build your confidence, and go out and score.

[ADFSDF1996]

1.) There you go again making unwarranted assumptions just like a moonbat.

2.) Yet another strawman. I am actually defending Masculinity. While you seem to view men as expendable. And there you go again calling everything you don’t agree with “conspiracy theories”.

3.) oh that’s where you are wrong buddy, I refuted everything you said, which is why you responded by evasive of the original point.

4.) LOL, it’s you who’s been ignoring facts all along. You’re arguments started off strong until I refuted them all. Then you resorted to ad hominems which aren’t actually arguments at all but rather you just being too stubborn to admit that you’ve lost the debate.

5.) It is you who seems rather ignorant of the Soviet Union, you like to defend i by portraying it as a utopia when it was more of a dystopia. Have you ever talked to people who lived in the Soviet Union? Have you ever read about the Soviet Union? Oh no you didn’t because you think that everything that is taught about the Soviet Union is “Western propaganda”. Oh the irony of you calling my premise a “conspiracy theory” when you believe conspiracy theories of your own. You Soviet Union apologists are no different to Holocaust deniers.

7.) What does Buddhism have anything to do with what we are arguing? But here’s an article for you. www.google.com/.../amp

8.) Acting like immature only diminishes your credibility

9.) I know a lot about technology but that’s besides the long we are arguing here. You can spout pseudo-intellectual rhetoric but yet you don’t seem to understand where things can go wrong. George Orwell was a socialist himself yet he was able to understand that socialism could go wrong hence his book 1984.

10.) Says the guy who promotes “alternative facts”. Everything I’ve stated thus far has basis in fact. Calling facts you don’t agree with “Conspiracy theories” is no different than resorting to reductio ad Hitlerum when you’re losing an argument.

[ADFSDF1996]

11) It’s because of people like yourself that the fields of psychiatry and psychology receive so much well deserved flak. Making unwarranted assumptions of your opponent’s mental state just because you are losing a debate is no different than using a reductio ad Hitlerum. It’s ironic how you deny that behavioral sciences aren’t used as political weapons when you yourself are using said sciences as politically weapons

12.) Why are you changing your premise? First you get all triggered over the fact that the NAACP supported the internment camps and now you acknowledge that the NAACP did support the camps? Wow, way to tarnish your credibility. Nice going buddy.

13.) I’ve got stuff to do as well and quite frankly this argument is becoming stale. But hey, I’m not the one who started the argument.

14.) It’s an irrelevant point you continue to bring up for some reason.

15.) Your point is?

16.) Oh, So you are basically arguing for the sake of arguing without knowing why you are arguing.

[ADFSDF1996]

“Your whole argument is based upon sweeping generalizations of whole groups of people who simply don't agree with your politics at the moment. I say at the moment because just twenty years earlier, some of your positions would be considered quite "liberal". But if I make generalizations about you personally, I am somehow "the bad guy". Newsflash, I am a bad guy. I am big fat jerk. I don't know where this "White Knight" charge comes from. But White Knights don't have much in common with jerks. ”

Says the guy who makes a sweeping generalization/unwarranted assumption that I’m a “conspiracy theory wacko”. Which I’m not by the way.

[RolandCuthbert]

1. Yawn. . . the English language is a remarkable tool. If you have something to say, figure out how to use it.
2. Well, perhaps you define masculinity differently than me or most men. My version of masculinity does not care about feminism. And I created a whole mytake on masculinity, which was received poorly by many of the males here. Because most males here think a penis is the definition of being a man.
What Are Masculine Traits? ↗

3. No, you have refuted nothing. You have recited common conspiracy theories found on reddit, youtube, and 4chan among social outcasts who blame their plight on society. The funny thing is, it is in a society in which they already have significant advantages yet they are still failures. Nothing is evasive about me. Everything is evasive about you. How in the world do we end up talking about trump's psychological condition? Because you are unable to rebut on behalf your nutty conspiracy theory.
4. Well, conspiracy theories are not facts young one. You don't list objective facts. You list your political aspirations and beliefs.
7. Wow. This is the guy who claimed religion was banned in China. Buddhism is a religion.
8. I have given you too much credit little one. You are indeed a child and I will treat you as an adult when you act as an adult.
9. So you talk about your knowledge of "technology" by referencing George Orwell? :) So I am defending "socialism" now. Wasn't this point about the evils of technology? Would you care to share your knowledge here or just admit to being ignorant so we can move on? Your choice.
10. Alternative facts? Who are you? Kellyanne Conway? Facts are facts sir. And your "way" is to cast doubt that there is anything that can be objective. This while claiming to be a technologist and an admirer of science. Which by the way is the basically defined as the search for objective fact and objective truth.

[RolandCuthbert]

I wanted to do this one separately because;

5. Uhm dude, I have been to Russia. I have traveled through former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries. In fact for work, I have traveled all over Europe. I have been to Canada, the Middle East, the Caribbean, etc. Where have you been? Who have you talked to? I have friends in Russia, Ukraine, Georgia at this moment and I talk to them all the time. In fact one of my best friends is from the Soviet Union. He owns a company right here in Boston. And he told me of life during the Soviet Union when he was a child. Yes religion was banned. . . for communist party members. I don't know any former communist party members. I only know those who lived through the downfall of the Soviet Union. So take that whole thing of "Western propaganda" and stick that up your ass. You are a liar. If anything "Western Propaganda", said that the Soviet Union was an athiest society. Which I am telling you for the 9th time was a lie. Citizens never stopped being religious, they never stopped going to services because the government knew the people would rebel if they took their religion from them. Now, I have not done much reading up on the Soviet Union outside of "Western propaganda". The reason why is because I have too many friends from the old Soviet Union. And Western propaganda never talked about "Tatars". It never talked about the hundreds of ethnic groups, cultures and religious minorities that endured and existed in the Soviet Union. I get my information from the actual sources.

[RolandCuthbert]

11. I don't have a degree in psychology. But am going to tell you straightout, if you think people have to make you feel like a man. . . something is wrong with you.

12. Yeah something is wrong with you. Where did I change my premise? You claimed to have evidence the NAACP was silent over the Japanese Interment. I claim to have evidence they voiced a concern over the camps. Now you are saying I am saying the NAACP supported the camps.

So you are crazy. Why didn't you tell me?

13. Yes, you started this nonsense. And I will not let it stand in this forum without being challenged for the nuttiness that it is.

14. Well, let's discuss the relevancy shall we? You have maintained this universal definition of conservatism and liberalism that exists in every nation, society, culture, or ethnic grouping. So I just want to destroy this nuttiness once and for all. Just because you agree with most "White" conservatives in America does not mean you are in agreement with Asian Conservatives, American Indian Conservatives, African Conservatives. etc. Since every defined grouping has its own definition of what it means to be "conservative". Indeed, many themes in American Conservativism are liberal when you measure them in the context of a different cultural worldview.

I don't expect for you to understand that. But for those who are reading along. It might be helpful.

15. You said don't make excuses. That's my excuse. I am not low on self-esteem. I have a lot of confidence. Maybe you might call it arrogance. And you are right. I am make no apologies. But I am full of excuses.

16. No, I am just saying if you need relationship advice, see Dr. Phil. He is on every weekday at 10am on OWN. I thought we were talking about your political weirdness. I can't give you relationship advice. I hope you understand this as objective fact. You know. . . not as alternative facts.

[RolandCuthbert]

"Says the guy who makes a sweeping generalization/unwarranted assumption that I’m a “conspiracy theory wacko”. Which I’m not by the way. "

What? Are your feelings hurt? Young fella, I been all over this planet. A lot times people said mean things to me.

I got over it.

Your theory categorizes people, demonizes people, does not attempt to understand the people you label and castigate.

But you want me to try to understand you?

You are not mentally fit, son.

Get right.

[ADFSDF1996]

I’m just going to reply to all of your points in one paragraph, this is getting ridiculous.

All you’ve been doing all along is reply with “you’re wrong because I don’t agree with you” also known as an appeal to the stone. But you fail to explain why or provide reliable sources to prove your claims. You claim I’m promoting opinions instead of fact despite me providing countless sources in my original post and in my replies to validate my points. You on the contrary have been replying with a combination of pseudo-intellectualism, fallacious rhetoric and infantilization.

[RolandCuthbert]

This is not "getting" ridiculous. It was ridiculous from your first paragraph and it has devolved ever since.

No sir. Several times I have stopped and broken down your nonsense. I have dissected it and explained it to you using facts and logic, from your claim about the Japanese interment, to your fantasy that there will be a matriarchal society, to the mythology you spun about the Soviet Union.

All of those points went unanswered, because you are ignorant and the sources for your fantasies are nothing extremist nutty conspiracy websites. You have nothing factual or truthful to convey. We are just supposed to sit here and listen to the ranting of another lonely angry youngster.

Don’t get mad at me.

Fix your life and stop blaming everyone else for your plight.

[ADFSDF1996]

Get off your high horse for once. You did not break down anything, all you did was distort what I originally said to fit your narrative. Not to mention your usage of “alternative facts” to defend your stances.

“Don’t get mad at me.” It’s ironic it’s you who’s obviously mad since you’re the one who started the debate not me.

“Fix your life and stop blaming everyone else for your plight.” Yet another sweeping generalization, no different than calling you a communist sympathizer.

[RolandCuthbert]

So at least you show the ability to recognize, I am on a high horse. Thanks for that. And yes, I broke it down. Bit by bit, fact by fact. You can't handle it, because you have no facts. Stop watching youtube. Stop hanging out on the internet in extremist forums. They are lying to you. They do not care about your plight and the only one who is going to get you out of your hole is you.

Get out, meet people, date some nice young women and find a way to be happy.

You guys are the most depressing, angriest, loneliest, unhappiest group of males I have ever met.

Fix your shit, young one. Because if you do not, these demons you have created will be your undoing.

[ADFSDF1996]

There you go again, making baseless assumptions/sweeping generalizations about me once again, which is arguably also an ad hominem filled with

Your condescending demeanor is a very predictable behavior exhibited by individuals like yourself. Once again you’ve shown me that the way you argue is based on making the issue about the opponent rather than subject of the debate. That’s not a way to argue, you being almost 50 years old should know that by now.

[RolandCuthbert]

And there you go again, whining about what I am doing to you, when you have made sweeping generalizations of millions people you do not know or have not talked to. I am talking to you. I am fully aware of what little you know in contrast to the claims you have made.

So I guess this is done now. You aren't doing anything but complaining that I am talking down to you. You can fix that. Stop being down there. Get some knowledge about these topics. Get some experience.

And here we go again with this nuttiness. I beat you nutty over the issues. Like for example and this is the third time, you lied about the Soviet Union. I posted facts about the former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact nations. You posted internet knowledge and Western propaganda. At no time was religion outlawed for citizens. It was only a requirement of Communist party members. It would have failed hilariously if the government had tried. But you don't admit you were wrong. You don't claim that you will go get information on the subject or anything like that. Because this is too vital to your political talking points.

So I have wonder what makes someone avoid talking about actual facts. Because you are not in search of fact or truth.

[Blitzkrieg_88]

What you describe is litterally what happened after the Russian revolution which was only made possible because of large numbers of Russian soldiers fought for the communists, can you imagine anyone in the US military fighting for the extreme left wing? Didn't think so, the US has a large standing military back by a large reserve military and large state militias (national guards) as well as serious large pool of ex military vetereans all well trained, taking over the US without these warriors would be impossible even if you had all federal agents and police forces onside. Militia groups and home grown terror organisations no matter what side wouldn't matter too much. In your scenario it's more likely that if the left wing tried to take over in an extreme situation of societal collapse that a General from the the US military would overthrow that dictatorship and take power.

[JesseTheMan]

Yeah, everyone remembers how the communists in USSR banned gender roles and heterosexual relationships.
Oh wait they didn't.

[Blitzkrieg_88]

@JesseTheMan weren't the soviets the first to have women in frontline combat roles and to work?
Banning hetrosexual relationships would be more for population control, easier just to give men the snip.

[JesseTheMan]

Yes, it's called "lack of manpower," which was a problem at times for the soviets.

I also think it was the soviets who won the war, just a hunch though.

While the Nazis were too busy using slave labor and death camp prisoners as workers, see how that turned out.

[Blitzkrieg_88]

@JesseTheMan the Soviets never lacked manpower ever, they lacked trained soldiers and organisation.
In the Soviet union workers were slaves, they had their own death camps (ask the polish about those) where they sent their own people. The US won the war, the Soviets were supplied by the allies while the Nazis were distracted on multiple fronts which stretched their resources and manpower.

[JesseTheMan]

Oh, basic "Germany good Soviet bad" arguments

[Blitzkrieg_88]

@JesseTheMan never said either was bad or good, the United States is hardly a saint either and most of the other countries involved in ww2 were as least as bad as Germany.

[devilman666]

This has to be a joke, right? This ignores everything we know and oversimpligies it to a point where it can't even be close to accurate. For example, "after a series of natural disasters, wars, and political incompetence the worlds countries and currencies collapsed" uhhhmmmm... what? They just collapsed because? Like the romans collapsed because of barbarians, the german reich collapsed because of other world powers, the austrian empire collapsed because of inbreeding, etc.
Yet you want to imply the entire world, or even just the USA, would collapse because of natural disasters, wars with smaller countries, and "political incompetence" which is completely subjective. It would make more sense for you to simply say the americans fell to communism in a similar fashion as the russians did during ww1, a prominent communist American is released from prison and starts a political revolution during a time of economic turmoil.

"The founders of this new government saw the collapse coming" bullshit. I call bullshit. At this point you're not creating anything realistic, you are trying to make a strawman that makes liberals look bad. "See, this is what happens when those crazy leftists get control, SEE? SEE?". They saw the collapse coming because we are not talking about real people, we are talking about Dr. Evil and his crew of diabolocal henchmen. They saw it coming because they're smarter than us, but also they're not as smart as us, that's why they make the worst government possible, we'd never be so dumb.

You set up an advanced government that apparently can effortlessly impose their will on others, but you try and make them seem stupid and weak at the same time.

Finally, you didn't establish why or how the government is "leftist" you simply made up a dictatorship and said "see? It represents the left, this is what will happen if the left takes control!!" Typical fear mongering

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666 *Yawn* Don’t you have any valid points to support your counter argument instead of an incoherent rant?

You obviously missed the whole point.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666 “It would make more sense for you to simply say the americans fell to communism in a similar fashion as the russians did during ww1, a prominent communist American is released from prison and starts a political revolution during a time of economic turmoil.”

That doesn’t sound much different from what I said.

“At this point you're not creating anything realistic, you are trying to make a strawman that makes liberals look bad. "See, this is what happens when those crazy leftists get control, SEE? SEE?". They saw the collapse coming because we are not talking about real people, we are talking about Dr. Evil and his crew of diabolocal henchmen. They saw it coming because they're smarter than us, but also they're not as smart as us, that's why they make the worst government possible, we'd never be so dumb.”

Way to take things out of context but then again the whole premise of your comment is a straw man.

“You set up an advanced government that apparently can effortlessly impose their will on others, but you try and make them seem stupid and weak at the same time.”

You do realize every totalitarian regime has it’s weaknesses right? Pointing out simple weaknesses doesn’t mean said regime is stupid or weak as a whole.

“Finally, you didn't establish why or how the government is "leftist" you simply made up a dictatorship and said "see? It represents the left, this is what will happen if the left takes control!!" Typical fear mongering”

Since when is pointing out flaws of an ideology considered fear mongering?

[devilman666]

I didn't even read the whole thing, I skimmed it because there is no point in wasting more of my time. Your argument creates a dictatorship and then assumes that the dictatorship is liberal/left wing.

"That doesn't sound much different thab what I said" really? You said it fell apart because of natural disaster, war; and political incompetence. You essentially just said it collapsed "for a number of very real reasons". I pointed out the economic turmoil of Russia at the time, you did not. And finally, you said the communist government came in the aftermath of the fall, where as in the russian revolution the old government fell as a result of the communist government rising.

[devilman666]

"Since when is pointing out flaws of an ideaology considered fear mongering?" And you ignore my point. There is nothing wrong with pointing out flaws, but you set up a false comparison so you could destroy it. You are not attacking liberal politics, you are attacking a faceless dictatorship and acting like you're attacking liberals.

Here: let me give you a future under republican dictatorship. The government leaders all died to a disease that spread throughout the world. Except the republicans saw it coming so they had a cure for it. So the republicans were able to take over the entire world, and they took away our rights and freedoms. They would kill anyone who is non-white, non-straight, non-Christian, etc. We see this throughout fascist regimes which are right wing, and therefore all Republicans/conservatives are like this.

This is what you're doing.

[devilman666]

A perfect example is how you bring up rfid chips. Why do you assume a left eing dictstorship would think this is the best method? Because you heard about it from a tv show and it sounds like it fits the liberal/communist stereoptypes. And then you say how it perfectly fits george orwell and biblical prophesies, even though you fabricate that because you assume the totalitarian dictatorship would be this way. You are creating the very thing you are attackingand acting like you are attacking real things that real people believe, which is a strawman.

[devilman666]

Or the id that iq will drop, this has no scientific evidence. China is communist but has a higher average iq when compared to usa, and russia has nearly identical iq levels to the usa. You just make this shit up with no evidence or reason.

[devilman666]

Idea*

[devilman666]

And you say extreme environmentalism and veganism will take over, but this assumes that vegans and environmentalists take over the liberal/democratic/communist party. Vegans are a small percentage of liberals, so this will almost never happen, just ridiculous really. Environmentalism is possible since it is much more popular than veganism, but even then it is unlikely that the government is going to be morally corrupt in everyway except it cares about the environment. I don't see any evidence to support this, and statistically I see this as being unlikely, so why do think a liberal/democrat/communist dictatorship would act this way?

[devilman666]

"You do realize every totalitarian regime has its weaknesses right?" Of course, I think that nothing is perfect, everything is flawed. What I meant however, was that you seemed to have a very biased view on this. You set up the government to be really powerful and capable of setting up a world where no one can fight back. But simultaneously you give them backwards technology and a failure of a military that makes them seem like a complete joke. Yet in reality the communist russians and chinese have competed with the USA in technology and military strength for decades. You literally ignore that these countries require a strong military in order to continue, you do this by saying "well they always fight scared civilians, its not like they fight another army or put down a revolt..." yet these countries typically have a lot of revolts that the military must put down, just look at the rebellions in and around russia after ww2, the civil war in romania is an example of this since russia turned them communist following ww2. But you ignore all that and just focus on the military turning against the government, who cares that the government was imposed on the romanians by another country? My point is that totalitarian governments require a strong military. This idea that they would have a weak military and backwards science? You pulled that idea out of your ass, and have 0 factual reason, evidence, or logic to support your idea.

[ADFSDF1996]

Your whole argument is you making baseless assumptions, I’m not attacking moderate liberals, I’m criticizing the radical left wing.

And you just admitted that you didn’t read the whole thing which explains why your “counter arguments” don’t address my points. They are just you resorting to an appeal to the stone.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666 You call me biased when you are the one that’s being biased by assuming that left wing totalitarianism is not possible all while claiming that right wing totalitarianism is possible. Would you have been all riled up if the article was about right wing totalitarianism? Probably not because it would flatter your confirmation biases.

[devilman666]

When did I claim left wing totalitarianism is impossible? I didn't, YOU MADE THAT UP. Communism is left wing totalitarianism, communism exists, thus left wing totalitarianism exists. I dont see how this is debatable. Yes, left wing totalitarianism can exist, has existed, and currently exists. What I am saying is that your depiction of left wing totalitarianism is wrong historically and according to left wing politics in america. It is baseless because it is comes from your imagination, not reality or fact.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“You set up the government to be really powerful and capable of setting up a world where no one can fight back. But simultaneously you give them backwards technology and a failure of a military that makes them seem like a complete joke. Yet in reality the communist russians and chinese have competed with the USA in technology and military strength for decades. You literally ignore that these countries require a strong military in order to continue, you do this by saying "well they always fight scared civilians, its not like they fight another army or put down a revolt..." yet these countries typically have a lot of revolts that the military must put down, just look at the rebellions in and around russia after ww2, the civil war in romania is an example of this since russia turned them communist following ww2. But you ignore all that and just focus on the military turning against the government, who cares that the government was imposed on the romanians by another country? My point is that totalitarian governments require a strong military. This idea that they would have a weak military and backwards science? You pulled that idea out of your ass, and have 0 factual reason, evidence, or logic to support your idea.” Ironically it’s you who provided zero evidence to prove your counter argument. if you would have read my whole post instead of spouting off on a rant then maybe you would have gotten the point.

If you would have read the whole article you would have the part where I mentioned the revolution in Romania in 1989, the Romanian military itself realized it couldn’t stop the revolt, so they decided to join the revolt and overthrew the communist dictatorship, how much more proof do you need? Regime’s are only strong if their military is loyal. Once the military gets out of control the regime collapses. It’s common sense.

[devilman666]

Yes, I would be upset if this was the reverse. If someone made an article saying "the right wing wants to take over and this is how they would do it if given the opportunity...", and then went on to post misinformation like this, I would be angered by that. I dont like misinformation, especially when it's used to fearmonger, and I would stand up for my political opponent if I saw their view being wrongfully criticized or demonized.

[devilman666]

I did read the part about romania, thats why I mentioned it. Like I said, I skimmed it.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“A perfect example is how you bring up rfid chips. Why do you assume a left eing dictstorship would think this is the best method? Because you heard about it from a tv show and it sounds like it fits the liberal/communist stereoptypes. And then you say how it perfectly fits george orwell and biblical prophesies, even though you fabricate that because you assume the totalitarian dictatorship would be this way. You are creating the very thing you are attackingand acting like you are attacking real things that real people believe, which is a strawman.”

Are you that oblivious to the fact that RFID chips are a thing now. It really isn’t that far fetched to assume that hypothetical future totalitarian regimes wouldn’t use RFID chips to their advantage. It would help the regime keep logs and track of it’s citizens, it’s not that hard to understand.

[devilman666]

On the topic of Romania, they overthrew the government because it was forced on them and they didn't see it as legitimate. They would have overthrown it even if it wasn't communist. They never saw it as their government and wanted it taken down from the moment it was put up.

You are correct that regimes are only strong when the military is loyal. The romanians were only loyal to the communist government because they feared russia, and that shows since they broke away from russian control as quickly as they could. The Russians didn't have the loyalty of the Romanians and their forces were busy in other wars, they had pulled all their troops out of Romania by that time.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666 “You essentially just said it collapsed "for a number of very real reasons". I pointed out the economic turmoil of Russia at the time, you did not. And finally, you said the communist government came in the aftermath of the fall, where as in the russian revolution the old government fell as a result of the communist government rising”

Again you are missing the point, you are expecting me to include every specific detail when I only have 20,000 characters to write. This isn’t a book, this is an article. Of course I’m going to simplify it expecting the readers to have enough common sense to put two and two together to realize that the totalitarian radical left wing government took advantage of the turmoil and took power by force.

[devilman666]

So why aren't north korea, russia and china using rfid chips then? They're left wing totalitarian governments, after all.

Wait... you're telling me that such a thing would cause so much civil unrest as to be impossible to manage? You're telling me that rfid chips could make rebellions more common? Nonsense. (Sarcasm)

Rfid chips have drawbacks though, and you give no evidence from previous or current totalitarian regimes, on top of that you give no evidence why this theoretical left wing totalitarian government would use them. You simply imply it would be the natural progression of a totalitarian regime.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“When did I claim left wing totalitarianism is impossible? I didn't, YOU MADE THAT UP. Communism is left wing totalitarianism, communism exists, thus left wing totalitarianism exists. I dont see how this is debatable. Yes, left wing totalitarianism can exist, has existed, and currently exists. What I am saying is that your depiction of left wing totalitarianism is wrong historically and according to left wing politics in america. It is baseless because it is comes from your imagination, not reality or fact.”

You are making a faulty assumption that every totalitarian left wing regime is the same. Stalin’s Soviet Union, Mao’s PRC, Honecker’s DDR, Sung’s North Korea all were left wing yet had different practices. This article is showing a hypothetical left wing regime that is more relevant to the political climate of today.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“So why aren't north korea, russia and china using rfid chips then? They're left wing totalitarian governments, after all.

Wait... you're telling me that such a thing would cause so much civil unrest as to be impossible to manage? You're telling me that rfid chips could make rebellions more common? Nonsense. (Sarcasm)

Rfid chips have drawbacks though, and you give no evidence from previous or current totalitarian regimes, on top of that you give no evidence why this theoretical left wing totalitarian government would use them. You simply imply it would be the natural progression of a totalitarian regime.”

First of all Russia today isn’t left wing, it’s right wing.

China already has an advanced citizen surveillance system in Case you didn’t watch the video and it wouldn’t be surprising if it decides to chip it’s citizens on the future.

North Korea has outdated technology from the Cold War, RFID chips is out of the question.

I never said RFID chips would be the sole reason why people would rebel, another straw man on your part.

[devilman666]

But you simplified it to a point where it was useless, and as I pointed out you could have just said it happened the way the russian revolution happened. You responded by saying you think your simplification is basically the same as the russian revolution... I think this shows that you dont understand the history of these totalitarian governments, you cherrypicked a couple historical events that support you and leave out the massive amount that evidence that refutes you. Yes, the Romanians rebelled and their military helped, why? Because their government was elected by another country. I can point to examples of countries overthrowing or fighting back against democratic regimes, such as the indian rebellions, or the American revolution. People dont like having their government picked for them, that is simply a fact.

[devilman666]

It is not in the political climate of today though. Tell me, what is the percentage of vegans in america? Yet you think in some reality it could be forced on all americans? You're out of touch.

[devilman666]

I never implied that you said that rfid chips would be the sole reason they would rebel. I was simply saying that rfid chips would cause the population to not trust the government, and even in communist countries they need their majority people group to trust them. The people who are typically oppressed in such regimes are typically the minorities and the people the government can ostracize as being weird or different.

[devilman666]

I said that "you simply imply it would be the natural progression", I meant that you thought that would be the natural progression of totalitarianism despite current totalitarian regimes not currently using them.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“It is not in the political climate of today though. Tell me, what is the percentage of vegans in america? Yet you think in some reality it could be forced on all americans? You're out of touch.”

You fail at simple logic and are cherry picking. Just cause Veganism isn’t very common even amongst left wingers, it’s still promoted by the left wing. In same way how the left wing supports homosexuality despite not every left winger being homosexual.

Note, I don’t have anything against homosexuals I’m only making a comparison.

[devilman666]

But you take the things they support and then just say "you'll be forced to be like this" without evidence. Like they're going to stop men and women from dating? Sorry dude, but you are ridiculous, and this is a conspiracy.

[ADFSDF1996]

“I never implied that you said that rfid chips would be the sole reason they would rebel. I was simply saying that rfid chips would cause the population to not trust the government, and even in communist countries they need their majority people group to trust them. The people who are typically oppressed in such regimes are typically the minorities and the people the government can ostracize as being weird or different.”

Even as we speak not every person is opposed to RFID chips, there are many people who are open to them. It wouldn’t take much brainwashing and indoctrination to convince a weary nation that RFID chips are good ideas. And I made it perfectly clear that the hypothetical radical left wing regime would ostracize many groups of people.

[devilman666]

I dunno if it would be easy to get a large amount of people to accept such a thing. Maybe possible, but it would be a slow process building up to that point, because like I said, you still need your base people to trust you, if you order your soldiers to kill their wives because their wives are rebelling against the country, what do you think happens?

Like I said, might be possible, but would take a lot of time and propoganda in my opinion, and I wonder if it would truly be worth the effort.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“But you take the things they support and then just say "you'll be forced to be like this" without evidence. Like they're going to stop men and women from dating? Sorry dude, but you are ridiculous, and this is a conspiracy.”

If you look at current relations between males and females in the developed world, you’ll realize there’s a sense of mistrust going on. Both sides of the political spectrum agree on this. How do you think this mistrust would be handled under a totalitarian left wing regime?

www.google.com/.../men-women-workplace-study-harassment-harvard-metoo

www.google.com/.../

[devilman666]

Mistrust yes, but if you think the majority of people would be okay with this, you're nuts. Yes, radical feminists and incels exist, but they are a tiny minority. The vast majority of people would be outraged by this.

And dont forget when you said iq levels would drop xDDD check the average iq in china, compare to america, china ranks higher everytime.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“Mistrust yes, but if you think the majority of people would be okay with this, you're nuts. Yes, radical feminists and incels exist, but they are a tiny minority. The vast majority of people would be outraged by this.

And dont forget when you said iq levels would drop xDDD check the average iq in china, compare to america, china ranks higher everytime.”

Of course most people would be outraged since most of us are straight. But what good is outrage if the powers that be don’t care. Just look at the Ajit Pai outrage, he literally united both sides of the political spectrum against him for his stance on internet neutrality. A lot of people vocally expressed their outrage via social media and protests. Yet what ended up happening, Ajit still got his wish. That’s very scary indeed.

As for China, they are a culture that values education, it shouldn’t be surprising that they have a higher iq. Not to mention their diet and genes.

[devilman666]

Im sorry, you think the military would accept it? The only way they could implement it is if they had the military medically, or physically, castrated.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666 accept what?

[devilman666]

So why would a left wing totalitarian regime in America be less intelligent? Please ignore your personal bias in your answer.

[devilman666]

Accept the fact that they aren't allowed to have physical relationships that they want. The only other way would be if they were all gay, which would mean your military would be comprised of a small minority of the population, which would be impossible.

[devilman666]

The military can and will turn against the government if they dislike the government. If a totalitarian government doesn't at least keep its military happy, it will colapse. There is no way the military would accept this unless they were all gay or castrated. If theyre all gay then they dont have enough troops, and if they go down castration route then their military might turn against them to avoid being castrated.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman666

“So why would a left wing totalitarian regime in America be less intelligent? Please ignore your personal bias in your answer.”

I never said the regime itself would be dumber, I said the populace would. I’ve already explained that cultural reasons are the primary factor.

[ADFSDF1996]

@devilman66

“Accept the fact that they aren't allowed to have physical relationships that they want. The only other way would be if they were all gay, which would mean your military would be comprised of a small minority of the population, which would be impossible.”

First of all, I never said the totalitarian regime would outright ban heterosexual relationships completely, I said they would restrict them (no marriages etc). But just cause the regime add restrictions doesn’t mean that the populace wouldn’t be able to bypass said restrictions.

[wankiam]

jacob rees moog can make a coherant wory argument too but this is as reactionary as any left wing written article where thye just switch the words conservative and liberal, left and right. i can see why you arrived here but the far left and far right are so close they are the same most the time. so if you can picture that circle something has to be in the middle and to me its corporations, not even manned anymore but almost totally autonomous and all you have done is add to their amoury by perpetuating the politics of division. i just think you need to go back to your initial thoughts you had on what was really going on and look a bit deeper.. beyond governments having a plan because they are also just a tool to cause division and confusion. the world is and always has been ruled by a small handful of overlords and partisan politics just doesn't matter

[ADFSDF1996]

@wankiam The difference is that conservatives don’t have much influence in the media and society anymore. TV ads almost never feature pro conservative messages, movies and tv shows frequently demonize the conservatives. Social media heavily censors conservative content.

It’s the liberals who are currently calling most of the shots in regards to the media and society. It doesn’t matter if a conservative is in office. Most tv ads feature pro liberal messages, most movies and tv shows portray liberals as the heroes, most social media sites allow all types liberal content, even berating conservatives on social media is allowed.

I don’t know about the so called small group of overlords ruling, it sounds a bit too far fetched. Because as I said, governments don’t decide to become totalitarian overnight.

[devilman666]

"Even berating conservatives online is allowed" in other words: "omg, won't someone protect my feelings?"

if you really think conservatives dont have any influence on the media then you need to change what you watch. Conservative media exists, you complaining about the free market being liberal biased is nonsense. What law stops conservatives from purchasing a tv station? Nothing, meaning it is just people's preferences causing this, and if you want to force people to watch conservative media then you are the totalitarian.

[wankiam]

@devilman666 he also needs to realize i was talking about the uk where the BBC and most the tabloid press is controled by the government or its party sponsors

[Linda625]

Yes it’s party sponsors

[Bella9191]

I love when people say there are no basis or facts to supprt your argument bla. You do realise a lot of the problem with conspiracy and corruption is that very powerful people control the release of certain information. Like for example most of the news channels in Australia is controlled by certain levels of corruption. A lot of billion dollar industries or rich people pay for certain facts or information to not be released. You are aware of this right. You do know Colgate for example pays for dental research labs to say certain things right. These are just mild examples. So you do realise why there isn’t certain information out there so support certain ideas right. A lot of powerful rich people would go to jail if certain corruption information were to get out, they make sure that shit stays off the public facts sheets lol. So using that as an argument to crush certain corruption or conspiracy ideas is really stupid.

[LukeLugh]

Look into systemic pedophilia (Kincora Boys Home, child trafficking on the Isle of Jersey, Catholic pedophilia, PIE, kids as drag queens etc, pedos in Hollywood etc). We are nearing left wing totalitarianism if people don't wake up.

[humanearth]

Funny thing is a lot of this is already happening and most don't even notice. Smart Phones Smart TV Smart House, Alexis, all online activity, DMV records, Medical Records, over taxing (like Carbon Tax) to keep us poor and so much more that is already in place.

Sure some are waking up, but not fast enough.

[goaded]

Which side is advocating for a living wage and higher taxes on the rich, again? "over taxing (like Carbon Tax) to keep us poor"?

[The_White_Queen]

"Never has a government just out of the blue decided to become totalitarian overnight." isn't that every totalitarian goverment the day they get into power such as the nazis, the facists in Spain and Italy, the communists in Russia, China and elsewhere?

[anhydride]

What I have to say is I think that Queen Elizabeth is
A reptillion of lizard.
And TBH idc that is fine
What ever you say about
It will be a good thing
So what you can do is use you
Higher intellect and then
The internet reverse engineering does not matter.
Ty. 👋

[anhydride]

What I have to say is I think that Queen Elizabeth is
A reptillion of lizard.
And TBH idc that is fine
What ever you say about
It will be a good thing
So what you can do is use you
Higher intellect and then
The internet reverse engineering does not matter.
Ty. 👋Ttyl
Kk.

[Edanurus]

The problem with those regimes is that there was a lot going on that paved the way for them. It wasn't like the government suddenly became nazis in Germany for instance.

[The_White_Queen]

@Edanurus actually they did because Nazi or communist overnight. Paved the way sure but they weren't in government one day and the next they were.

[Edanurus]

@The_White_Queen Well no because before they got a majority the nazis still had seats in the government. So when they got into power it wasn't that the government overnight went from not nazi to nazi, it just became nazi enough that they could vote their totalitarian policies through.

[The_White_Queen]

@Edanurus Hitler never had a majority, no other party could agree to form a coalition and the Nazis being the largest party in 1933 persuaded president Hindenburg to name Hitler chancellor. A few weeks later after becoming chancellor hitler persuaded hindenburg to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree which removed civil liberties and two months later Hitler passed the enabling act which allowed Hitler to pass any laws he wanted, meaning he was now a dictator with supreme power and could eliminate all other parties so the Nazis had a majority.

[Edanurus]

@The_White_Queen so your agree that in the nazis didn't get into government overnight? They were already a minority part of the government and had to get rid of the rest of the parties to rise to power.

[devilman666]

The asker doesn't deal is fact, logic, or reason, he just makes things up so he can slander other people.

[The_White_Queen]

@Edanurus no they actually did get into government overnight. Can't you read?

[JoeDirt123456]

Actually the nazi party was in competition against many other parties but actually had the highest head count in the government almost 40% actually. That's why Hindenburg appointed Hitler as chancellor.

[The_White_Queen]

@JoeDirt123456 the largest share of votes but not enough to form a majority government.

[Phoenix98]

Yeah we already know what that kind of future looks like so did Gorge Orwell he wrote it in his book after all 1984. Or if you are more of a movie goer then watch the movie demolition man slightly different future but just as bad and ruled by the left.

[bulletbob555]

Idiocracy 2.0

[Randomawkwardness]

So are you going to do a radical right wing one too? Or are you just set on demonizing the left? I understand that maybe they're against your ideals but posting stuff like this make it seem as if every left member is like this. Everything you stated is a huge exaggeration and a true radical left wouldn't even go to this.

[ADFSDF1996]

Do the names “antifa” “metoo”, “4th wave feminism” “he for she” and “communist party USA” ring any bells?

Radical left wingers are the ones that preach proto totalitarian ideas, not the “radical right wingers”. Not to mention that radical left wingers have a big influence over the media as well.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Why would he do something that the left has been doing for literally decades? Also as @ADFSDF1996 pointed out, Antifa is a violent left wing terrorist group (as was the weather Underground who's leader not only wasn't arrested for terrorist acts commited, but is a college professor and got to meet Obama in the white house), feminist have altered laws to the point where men have lost many rights and are not even seen as human in society, they are actively calling for the revoking of the first and second amendment (hate speech laws and beto O'Rourke outright stated he wanted to take every law abiding citizens guns from them and was cheered for it). You also have the media fabricating stories (provably) about Trump, the leftists in congress have abused their power to try and rid themselves of political rivals, Obama, a leftist, spied on his political rivals (not just trump either), Google and facebook have actively suppressed conservative voices (provably), and out right admitted that they failed in their attempt to sway the election to the democrats favor when Trump won the election. You don't have an argument.

[loveslongnails]

Bullshit. All you have to do is switch "radical right" for radical left and the take plays exactly the same.

[Screenwriter]

@loveslongnails Truly. Left or right, totalitarianism is totalitarianism. Doesn't matter if it's right or left. Dictators are always awful. They're not in it for the happiness and well being of the people. They are in it for adherence to rigid ideals that crush human spirits.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@loveslongnails Nope. Compare what one side has done and the other and you will see that the left absolutely has done worse. This idea that they are both equivalent is stupid because it doesn't have any basis in reality for one, and two is just an excuse to try and distract people away from what the left is currently actually doing. Its bullshit.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@Screenwriter Of course dictators are awful, but in this country we have currently and for a very long time, had one side, the left, acting as dictators and no one is willing to step up and talk about it and on the rare occasion some one does we get the same bullshit argument of "the right and left both do it so its okay if the left does it.". That's the argument, if your unwilling to call out your side for what they have done then you do not get to say that both are equally guilty that's nothing more then an attempt to dismiss and obfuscate the issue. Also its inaccurate as the right despite having done some stupid things have never done what the left has done and is currently doing which actually is undermining our democracy and constitution as they attempt to destroy the careers of, violently attack and attempt to kill conservatives or people they think are conservative.

[siccorro]

Antifa was created to combat the emboldened national socialist movement, otherwise known as the alt-right/neo-Nazi movement. You don't like violence but you scared They will come for your guns? Are you a trigger virgin?

[hellionthesagereborn]

@siccorro What? Are you that ignorant? Their is no Nazi issue, the Nazi's where defeated in WWII. Just because some one comes in and tries to violently assault people they disagree with and justify it by calling them Nazi's doesn't mean they are actually Nazi's. They call Ben Shapiro, a devote, yamaka wearing, jew. Calling some one a Nazi doesn't make them a Nazi. And considering that their is an estimated, if we round up and add about 500, 10,000 white supremacists/neo-Nazis/kkk in the entire nation of 325 MIllion people, nearly 220 million of which are white. No, they violently assault every one they disagree with. They recently gave a gay Asian reporter brain damage after violently attacking him. So your incorrect and you should really do some more research before backing a terrorist group.

[siccorro]

That's why they're called "neo"Nazis and they are very real. Go look up atomwaffen. Educate yourself before you go on a pansy ass tirade

[loveslongnails]

@hellionthesagereborn Which is exactly what I think about your explanation... bullshit not based on reality. It's like saying "the left controls the media in the USA" when the number of outlets and publications is virtually equal. It's bullshit like.0025 percent voter fraud has an impact on elections, but gerrymandering is A-OK !!

[hellionthesagereborn]

@siccorro Yeah, they do exist, they are less then 10,000 people and that's including the KKK. Just because you call some one a Nazi doesn't make it so. The left loves to label any one they disagree with as Nazi's (which I believe I mentioned, they label jewish people as Nazi's if they disagree with the left). That's like me calling you a Nazi and then using that as evidence of a Nazi problem, its idiotically stupid.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@loveslongnails Again, that's idiotically stupid. The left DOES control the media. Over 90% of the media is left leaning, this has been proven. www.investors.com/.../
www.wnd.com/.../
nypost.com/.../
freakonomics.com/podcast/how-biased-is-your-media/
Though your shocking ignorance of this isn't all that odd as liberals are far less likely to hear out alternative view points thus magnifying your echo chambers.

As for voter fraud, it is an issue (the voter fraud just needs to win over a district, not the nation, to have an impact so watering it down like that is an intentionally misrepresentation of its actual impact): nypost.com/.../
www.wnd.com/.../
www.washingtontimes.com/.../
thefederalist.com/.../

[siccorro]

@helliontgesagereborn exactly how low in the double digits is your IQ? that number is for currently active KKK members. Most racist ass hats are a bit smarter than you are and try to fly under the radar of organizations that track racist activity such as the anti defamation league and southern poverty law center. www.BBC.com/.../world-us-canada-40915356
Most of the alt-right and the angry peckerwoods such as yourself who chant "you will not replace us" number much more than 10k. The belief of white superiority and American exceptionalism both fit squarely within racist ideology, white nationalism and Nazi ideology. Anyone who thinks that they're smarter than anyone based solely on their financial success is usually espoused to fascist ideology, and anyone who sees someone of color in poverty and thinks that they're lazy due to some kind of genetic defect is usually a racist; and both fallacies together for the basics of Nazi ideology.
Game.
Set.
Match.
Eat a dick

[ADFSDF1996]

@siccorro False dichotomy and confirmation bias at it’s finest.

www.marinecorpstimes.com/.../

Same way how Antifa labels anyone that disagrees with them as “nazis”

[hellionthesagereborn]

@siccorro Yeah that's from a ultra liberal source. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not true. You not being able to believe it doesn't make it any less true (argument from incredulity, logical fallacy). Also your argument that they "fly under the radar" is based on what exactly? One KKK grand wizard stabbed another when they had an argument about which one was more racist and he took offense that the other thought he was less racist (coincidentally he loves the current Leftist policies as they pertain to school campuses as they are effectively just another version of segregation (and people like you will never get the irony in that)). They also have marches with real big hoods, swastikas etc. So yeah, the notion that they are being secret racists is not backed up by any real evidence of any kind and in fact their actions suggest quite the opposite. Funny that you would insult my intelligence with absurd claims that you have made that are not even backed by any evidence (unlike mine). So your wrong, something you should be getting use to by now.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@siccorro Also the southern poverty law center, which is a left wing organization that refused to acknowledge ANTIFA as terrorist despite the fact that ANTIFA is not only a terrorist organization but quite literally stated they "use terror and fear to push a political agenda" i. e. the literal definition of terrorism. On top of that it turns out they have had rampant racist policies in their own organization hence the removal of the head of said agency. So trying to site them, a group that is pushing an extreme left wing agenda (they labeled tea partiers as a hate group despite the fact that the only violence that occurred at their rallies was when an angry leftist violently assaulted one of them. Meanwhile ANTIFA which has violently attacked hundreds if not thousands at this point of people with bricks glass bottles bike locks, hammers etc. where not labeled as terrorist until long after the fact), it doesn't dismiss the evidence I presented (if memory serves it was actually accumulated using their numbers but don't quote me on that), but on top of that they themselves have been enacting racist policies. Yeah, real good argument their.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@siccorro Also American exceptionalism isn't racism, that's moronic on a level I cannot even comprehend. I mean really, your going to claim that the belief (verified by quantifiable and objective data I might add) that the most diverse nation in the world is more exceptional then other nations is some how evidence of. . . racism? That a nation that is nearly fifty percent non white, that it represents white supremacy? That's a whole new level of stupid on your part and quite frankly if you where smarter you would realize how stupid you sound and would feel embarrassed. Unfortunately judging by your behavior and your comments your to stupid to have the good sense of being embarrassed at your lack of intellectual aptitude. I almost pity you.

[siccorro]

@hellionthesagereborn what evidence do you posit exactly?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
So yea, flying under the radar by calling it humor or being ironic. The KKK isn't comprised of the sharpest tools in the shed so not everyone that cries about "white extinction" flies their hate flag in the daylight for all to see.
And @ADFSDF1996 would you know the difference between fallacy and phallus-y?

[ADFSDF1996]

@siccorro What? Did you really expect to post unreliable sources to “support” your argument without receiving criticism? Don’t get offended when someone simply points out the flaws in your sources.

You try to defend antifa’s reputation via your confirmation biases. But why don’t you use reliable sources (not including moonbat sources) you know the ones that substantiate that Antifa are no different than the neo nazis they claim to be against.

www.google.com/.../ncna934131

[hellionthesagereborn]

@siccorro So your evidence is a web site that any one can edit and is based off of claims made by leftists and lumps in every conservative into the group of "alt right", people like Ben shapiro (a jewish man), Steven Crowder (a run of the mill conservative who has be targeted by neo Nazi's and "alt right" people) , ann coulter etc. etc. etc? Wow your just stupid their is nothing else to say about it, your just a complete moron. Your argument consists of claiming that every one you don't agree with being a racist, that even if they don't say or do anything racist they are still racist, and because of that its an indication of rampant racism in the US, despite all data showing no such racism existing as their are no laws pushing for it and the richest groups in the US are all minorities, that immigrants from other nations, like African immigrants, are not suffering this "racism" you claim etc. That's your argument? What kind of stupid would one have to be to make such a claim? That is circular logic and not even cherry picking data, your just flat out ignoring it. Their is no reason to speak to you again because you refuse to acknowledge reality and again your argument is that every one is racist even if they don't do or say anything racist, at that point your just a zealot and their is no helping you, your wrong and your an idiot.

[blondfrog]

Just a little man you could have made your mytake shorter and still crossed all your points. Anyways I lean more towards the left side which you probably hate, but being on the far right is really bad too. You are too much on the right you can end up having a totalitarianism society as well. It's best to have your views mixed and more to the middle. You end up being too on the right and you end up with Trump. Which look how many shitty things he is doing now and starting wars in the middle east all for money.

[Zap69777]

Yeah the left sucks... they want to run your life's take your guns... now think about it. If they take our gun, who is going to protect us while the police officer's or drinking coffee and eating donuts. Think about your homes? If, we have NO PROTECTION, who do you think will have the guns... think about it... the people that want your stuff that doesn't work. No way... Constitution, read it.

It was written over two hundred years ago. And the 2nd Amendment said we should have fun to protect us from people and the government, speaking of the Left that want to lie to you and make you serve them...

[Talbert]

Right wing identity politics meets unfounded persecution complex. USA has never been more right wing, the far right is rising around the world, and you think the far left is the problem? Mate, you need some learning. Statist does not equal leftist. Totalitarianism is just as compatible with capitalism as with Stalinism or State Capitalism. The horse shoe theory is a nonsense. Far left does not equal far right. Very different ends. The genuine, ideological and historical left aims to maximise freedom for all, the right concentrates power with elites, making a few winners and lots of losers..

[ADFSDF1996]

@Talbert Ah pseudo-intellectualism at it’s finest. Promoting biased propaganda and conspiracy theories without proper explanation or any valid sources.

In any totalitarian regime there’s two groups of people, those who benefit from the regime and those who suffer under it. Years after said regime collapses, those who benefited from the regime will reminisce it’s “glory” and defend it from those who criticize it. While those who suffered under it, will condemn said regime and educate the masses to ensure such a vile regime won’t rise again.

Of course you being unable to put your political biases aside will try to sugarcoat and use a no true Scotsman to make it seem as if your ideology is “flawless”.

[Talbert]

ADFSDF1996 Nice ad hominem. Do you have any valid sources to back up your rhetoric?

[ADFSDF1996]

@Talbert It’s not an ad hominem to call out nonsense.

You want sources, just look at Stalin’s Soviet Union, Mao’s China, Castro’s Cuba, Bose’s Uganda, Pot’s Cambodia, Ceausescu’s Romania, Honecker’s East Germany and the list goes on and on. You’ll find that there’s two groups of people, the oppressed and those who benefitted from the regime.

You being an obvious left winger, will have trouble acknowledging the atrocities committed by the radicals on your side of the political spectrum. All of those regimes were radical left, don’t try to sugar coat it.

[Talbert]

Get over yourself intellectual midget. You wouldn't know socialism if it bit you in the arse. Go and waste someone else's time with your tired old debunked rightwing propaganda. Unlike you my learning doesn't come soely from Google and far right echo-chambers. I encourage anyone reading this to do some research and read competing perspectives. For fun easy to consume content try Bad Mouse Productions on YouTube. Many of his videos destroy in detail this midget's tired rhetoric.

[ADFSDF1996]

@Talbert You get over yourself, big man with a fragile ego. Typical left winger resorting to insults instead of trying to have a civilized debate.

Go spam somewhere else.

[genericname85]

that's just impossible. the radical left can't establish order or government. it will end in a chaotic infinite fight for power of fragmented individualisti parties. totalitarianism and unity can't be left wing.

[hbg84]

The left would ultimately end up falling in on its self because of infighting. They end up killing each other because they would all want to rule as dictator. And would battle back and forth about who is more radical.

[genericname85]

@hbg84 well the same goes for the radical right though. that's why most people are actually pretty close to center politically even if they say otherwise. only those on the extreme ends will riot and be violent as if to show that their ideology isn't survivable.

[genericname85]

under far right governance, the suppressed majority will fight back and destry the government from the outside, under far left wing governance, extreme individualism and the struggle to pleaseevery single snowflake will defeat the purpose of governance eventually and selfdestruct from the inside. that's exactly why the political system that we have is what it is. a checks and balances system that prevents itself from tipping into the extreme.

[hbg84]

Good point.

[Grobmate]

Tell that to Maoist China, or the hundreds of millions of people who perished in the Soviet Gulags..

[genericname85]

@Grobmate yeah tell me about how stable those governments were/are. Russia has a new system now and I don't know if you watch the news but China is currently having a civil war.

[Grobmate]

yup exactly mate.

[genericname85]

@Grobmate i really hope trump gets re-elected cause i'm quite sure that he is able to derail the American democracy and install some fascist regime. that would suck for everyone.

[Grobmate]

I think the ideal situation would be for a centrist system, (neither far left nor far right). Politically incorrect in fact.

[genericname85]

@Grobmate political correctness is just a wrench in the gears of progress. obviously you shouldn't try to personally offend people but you should be able to talk facts without someone trying their best to be offended.

[Grobmate]

We've gone from people having morals and trying the utmost to speak the hard truths without offending people to consecutive generations of namby pamby snowflakes who actively want to seek out offense where none exists.

[genericname85]

@Grobmate well to be fair it's a valid strategy cause being offended seemed to be very effective in "moral highroading" people.

[genericname85]

it's our own fault that we allow this shit to happen.

[Grobmate]

That's very true, but we shouldn't ever write laws because... "feelings".

[genericname85]

@Grobmate i couldn't agree more with that. i heard that this shit actually happens in america... that must have been how americans felt when hitler started his bullshit in germany.

[genericname85]

america is really going downhill shockingly fast

[Grobmate]

As is the rest of the Western Society. Canada and the UK are at rock bottom. It's a criminal offense to offend someone in the UK. In Canada, it's an offense if you don't use the correct label to describe a person with gender disphoria...

Stop the world and let me off!

[hbg84]

Its absolutely ridiculous. The rights people are giving up just to not offend others.

[genericname85]

@Grobmate well at least in good old germany, we are still somewhat reasonable. our last encounter with dangerous ideology was too close.

[genericname85]

we are more affraid of making that misstake again than of offending someone.

[hbg84]

Im glad we have the bill of rights here in the USA.

[Grobmate]

Yes, the Berlin wall was certainly Germanic and an effigy of everything that Marxism brings. Of course, the Extremist right wing (Nazism) is forever a reminder. You've unfortunately expetienced both opposing and extreme ends of political spectrums.

Unfortunately, until postmodernism and marxism are destroyed, there can be no prosperity.

Understand that Postmodernism is the evolved marxism. So poor is the individual identity of these people, that they vigorously cling to a group identity. These people are disgusting. Feminism is a direct and clear example of this and manifests a divisive and deadly ideaology for the entire world. The Feminists and other leftists are brainwashed on the same level as the Germans were in the 1930s - mid 1940s. They own the education system, and so deny people knowledge in such things. I see it all over this site. Their ideaologies are alltogether evil!

https://youtu.be/wLoG9zBvvLQ

[Grobmate]

@hbg84 The problem with the bill of rights is that the populous don't understand the purpose of rights. They confuse rights with entitlements. The true purpose of rights is to enable the INDIVIDUAL (not group identity), with the means to service the responsibility in society.

The youth are only taught about rights and not responsibility. Thus the Bill of Rights does not in and of itself prevent chaos.

[genericname85]

@Grobmate well you can be quite sure that they don't have such little understanding of identity but taking offense on behalf of a large group of people borrows authority from a vague undefined entitiy that's hard to argue against. i'm not able to tell if they know the danger and willing to risk it or if they're actually that dumb. i could see both being true to be honest.

anyhow, this is the strategy and it works for them right now. it won't work for long though. we just have to get smart to this bullshit and learn to defeat those strawman arguments. it's merely a matter of time, adaptation but most importantly education of the masses... yikes i guess budgets were cut. never mind, the us is fucked.

[genericname85]

it's almost like the god argument that we finally got smart to in the french revolution. i mean back in the 1700s we learned that god is bullshit and people use the idea to create a fictional entity of unclear but large power, who'se credibility and power governments could borrow... oh wait... double yikes. americans are still largely christians xD

[ObscuredBeyond]

They do want total control. Just some of them refuse to admit that it will end badly. They believeeliminating this or that undesired group they can't control will magically make all their problems go away. Eliminating inconvenient thoughts or arguments that undermine.

However, Pelosi really is that malfeasant.

[talloak]

Why not discuss a real world dystopia? One that is likely to happen, even if the outcome is unknown? Trump is impeached and found guilty. Or he is convicted of serious crimes and sentenced to jail time. Or he simply is voted out of office. In any of these situations, he refuses to leave. He announces once again that he is above the law. He claims it is a deep state conspiracy. He claims 100 million illegal aliens voted. Whatever, he's pretty much guaranteed to make such claims. He announces that the second civil war that he promised has begun. He asks his followers to take up arms to keep him in power.

The big question is: Do you go to fight against America or do you disobey The Chosen One?

[ADFSDF1996]

Because that’s a highly unrealistic dystopia.

[talloak]

Actually, he's already preparing for it. He has already announced a coming Civil War. He already lied about the deep state conspiracy and 6 million fictional illegal alien voters. He already said he would accept no election outcome where he loses. And he's already said he wants to stay in the presidency indefinitely. The huge surprise would be that he didn't attempt a coup in any of those scenarios.

You didn't answer the question: Would you personally fight against America or against Trump?

[ADFSDF1996]

Typical liberal fear mongering based on liberal conspiracy theories that can’t be proven. You didn’t even read anything I said at the beginning of the take/article did you?

There are so many precautions in place that are meant to prevent a president from acquiring totalitarian power. If it weren’t for those precautions our country would have fallen to totalitarianism long ago.

And that question is nothing more than a false dichotomy and a loaded question

[talloak]

That’s what I thought: another storm trouper for your beloved fuhree.

[ADFSDF1996]

@talloak So predictable, using Reductio ad Hitlerum

When you liberals lose an argument, you always resort to calling those disagree with you “Nazis”.

First of all, I can hardly call myself white. Second of all, you are rather ignorant of politics if you think Trump is a Nazi. Why would he form close ties with Israel if he’s such a “Nazi”? Why would he deport a Nazi if he’s a “Nazi?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8sC9JA2Is

[Girther10]

What I would do is immediately call you out for the biggest conspiracy theorist we have that’s all nonsense and you know it cut the BS

[Girther10]

@talloak

[Girther10]

@talloak- look who’s got the conspiracy theories now it’s so obvious you should be embarrassed af lol😎😎

[Girther10]

Trump
Is a comedian who likes to get you libs all worked up and you are proof of his success lol

[Screenwriter]

I'm not jumping on any liberal conspiracy wagon, but I have heard he's going to cry like a bully baby if he loses and challenge everything... But he'd probably be tied up in the courts for years trying to prove it... I'm not worried about a challenge if it comes to that.

[Girther10]

Yes you have nothing to worry about there won’t be a challenge why would he challenged his victory

[Girther10]

The writer talked about a hypothetical dystopia in the most realistic way he can imagine and I understand that what is your problem why are you so defensive

[Girther10]

I like how you didn’t jump on the liberal train or anything like that and how you have remain non-committed what a joke

[Girther10]

@ Screenwriter

[Girther10]

You have “heard he’s going to cry...” lol

[Girther10]

Try to imagine the day after trumps reelection what will be going on in this country talk about crying

[talloak]

And you're a typical fascist. You create this elaborate and silly fantasy about liberal dictatorship as cover for your support for a very real fascist attempt at dictatorship. You have defended every one of Trump's fascist actions. Non-fascists are horrified by those actions. You glorify them. I don't have to speculate about whether you would have made a good Nazi back in the '30's because you already have proven yourself a loyal follower of Trump fascism (which is far more like Mussolini than Hitler). If Trump is not reelected by legal means, he will attempt to take power by force. Then we will discover just how loyal of a fascist you are.

[Girther10]

@talloak- you need to revisit the meaning of fascism, I have not defended ANY of your mythical fascist actions you think you’ve seen, you know nothing about me. I am wary of the progressives bc of what I see coming from the far left of the Dems, my own eyes and ears tell me everything I need to know. You try to paint me to fit your narrative, but anyone who, unlike you, knows me knows your just making it up as you go. i haven’t created any kind of silly anything, I just responded to a mytake that is in my opinion, a very realistic hypothetical about how totalitarianism May be already here, in the form of the progressive left. Thats all. The rest is nothing but your own made up narrative. What horrifies me is looking back at two years of an attempted slow moving coups, made up of entirely the Dems and the rogue members of our prestigious agencies that weaponized their agencies to try to unseat a legit president. I was far from a Trump supporter, until I saw those of your ilk try to frame him. Then I rose to root for the underdog, as is my usual preference.

[Girther10]

The gop is not passing laws that make it illegal to use the wrong pronouns. The conservatives are not the creators of sanctuary policies, cities and states. The Dems are admittedly pushing for open borders, and healthcare for undocumented aliens. I see antifa, the literal fascists roaming around stopping free speech, violence is their mo. And they are a wing of the dem party along with the state run so called media. I see and hear of thought laws in the making in some of the dem. run cities , which is a natural thing after the criminalization of certain words, of course thought crimes are next.

[Girther10]

You couldn’t “discover” your own nose if it was on your face, much less the loyalty of a complete stranger like me. Your false accusations are repugnant to me, so stop with the demeaning and slander. I don’t do “a cover” for anything , you liar. You are on notice to cease any further lies about me or my beliefs.
There’s ample proof of your unsubstNtiated lies on these pages, so I wouldn’t test it.

[Girther10]

Way back in middle school debate class we learned the first to call hitlerism loses. It’s not changed at alll. You have minimized the rankings of a mass murderer and celebrated nazi with your sophomoric rhetoric, with your made up allegations. “Everyone’s a nazi” means your just ignorant, at an epic level.

[ADFSDF1996]

@talloak you didn’t read anything I said, did you.

Read my previous reply, the one with the video instead of ranting with baseless assumptions.

[Screenwriter]

@Girther10 I would like to see him lose just to see him put forth a challenge. That would be a worthwhile dog and pony show.

[talloak]

I call you a fascist because you defend fascist actions and policies. You say you're not a fascist because you find the term offensive. I gave you a list of Trump's fascist actions and statements of totalitarianism and your best defense is to insult me. But then, your position is truly indefensible.

[talloak]

@Girther10
I really don't care what you call yourself. But ultimately if you support fascism, you are a fascist. If you defend Trump's act of treason, you are a traitor. That is independent of self-identification.

And by the way, fascism is simply defined as far right totalitarianism. This defends Trump precisely, and therefore his ardent supporters equally precisely.

[ADFSDF1996]

@talloak Don’t put words in mouth. It was you who insulted me first by calling me a “Nazi”. An ad hominem and reductio ad Hitlerum because you know you lost this debate.

And you don’t even bother to read what I said because you have no valid counter arguments. Hence you resorting to name calling.

You call me a Nazi when I’m barely white myself. I’m half Asian, half Hispanic. You assume I’m a Trump supporter just cause I disagree with you. News flash I don’t consider myself a Trump supporter but I also don’t think he’s the “next führer”.

1.) You call Trump a Nazi when one of his ex girlfriends is black.

2.) You call Trump a Nazi when he has close ties with Israel.

3.) You call Trump a Nazi when he deported a Nazi collaborator.

4.) You call Trump a Nazi when several Jewish conservative public figures support him

5.) You call Trump a Nazi when there are many racial minorities who support him.

6.) You call Trump a Nazi when he offered a Black woman a job at press conference.

7.) You call Trump a Nazi when he stood up for the Asian Students that were in conflict with Harvard.

Do I need to keep listing facts that contradict your conspiracy theories or do you finally get the point?

[Girther10]

@Talloak- name one single fascist policy that I have defended name just one. Anyone who reads this knows what a liar you are you put words in people‘s mouth and you see yourself as the supreme Allied accuser and prosecutor of your fake fascist accusations. I am not going to repeat it but you are basically just full of yourself that is you’re actually full of shit and everyone who read your preposterous rant can see that you have attacked me for no reason whatsoever you cannot list or cite a single time where I defended Trump for anything at all I challenge you to prove me wrong you can’t you’re too narrowminded and stuck on one idea

[Girther10]

Who cares what you think about Trump supporters and fascism none of that has anything to do with me you boldface liar. I don’t really care what kind of fantasies you conjure up in your dark twisted mind you obviously hate anyone who even associate with Trump and it is obvious you are repugnant to everything I stand for stop lying about me now

[Girther10]

Your arrogance is disgusting words cannot describe what a lowlife bottom feeder you are

[Screenwriter]

@Girther10 If Democrats can't put together a palatable platform that appeals to a broad section of the US and gets the vote out, which they didn't do for the last election, then Trump will be re elected and no one can cry because it's their own fault. People elect who they want to see in charge. All I can do is vote for who I'd like to see in place. I'm not worried about totalitarianism. I just want to see better lives for us all.

[JesseTheMan]

No one would actually support this. Majority of people are straight, it's not like Nazi Germany where most people hated the jews anyways, before the Nazis even came to power.

Some parts are true to any kind of authoritarian government, regardless of ideology.

I see a lot more extreme right wingers as opposed to extreme left wingers, regardless of what right wingers like to say.

[ADFSDF1996]

There was an Anti Semitic sentiment in various parts of Europe and in the US even before the Nazis came to power. Anti semitism was not invented by the Nazis, they merely adapted it.

By the way, do the names antifa, communist party USA, and Green Party sound familiar to you. They are all classified as radical left wingers and they’ve all been very active as of late.

www.marinecorpstimes.com/.../

www.google.com/.../idUSKBN1WM1JP

[UncleJessieRabbit]

Thing is these leftist ideas are there and actually taken seriously to some people. It's an ideological and psychological warfare.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Oh dear gawd. Look, I get the so called left is whack at times, but "totalitarian left" is an oxymoran. You can't be be fully liberal and a dictator. It's not possible. Far left and right is usually just imagination. There's almost always some sort of crossover. Jeez, why do I even bother?

[webelong2yehovah]

Try calling one, eight, eight, eight, t, w, e, l, v, e, t, and asking them about "the race," if you'd like an expected outlook on *when* the doom which is looming will come to a head, and what they're (the "Twelve Tribes Commonwealth of Israel") doing to provide an escape for the willing. Your decision to hear from them or not will leave you either informed, or. . .

[CrypticLOL]

Honesy I don't think it's as far fetched as you make it out to be. I mean Nazi Germany is a good example of a horrifying reality that could just as easily fit into a dark fictional story. Although I think its more likely we'll just all end up nuking each other.