I think a much better solution would be for airlines to not squeeze as many seats into their airplanes as they do. I'm normal-sized and even I feel rather claustrophobic on an airplane.
Now, I know, I know, people will say "but no, that doesn't work, it would make airlines go bankrupt".
To that I say: bullshit.
When you look at the numbers, you can see that airplane seats have become considerably smaller within the past decades. During the 1960s, an average economy class seat used to be almost 12cm (4 inches) wider than today. If airlines could do this and survive back then, they can also do it today.
Moreover, it's worth comparing stingy western airlines with Asian ones. For example I once flew with Air Nippon (Japan), which has been ranked number 1 in the world for 2018. The seats in their economy class were the most comfortable I've ever sat in. They literally felt like business class in a European or American airline. Again, if they can do it, we can do it too.
I know, some people will argue "but this will make flying more expensive".
To which I say: good!
Flying is already way too cheap, especially from an environmentalist perspective. I'd much rather pay more and get a better seat in a modern, fuel-efficient airplane instead of treating air travel like some kind of budget college student lunch. For example I can fly from Switzerland to England for about $30. That's absolutely insane.
That's why I only ever fly with Asian airlines if I can. Their tickets are more expensive but what you get for it is well worth it. I don't want to feel like some cattle on the way to the slaughterhouse when I embark a plane.
So you support making air travel more expensive and further out of reach for the poor and the minorities.
@SuccessfulHornDog lol yes only the wealthy should be able to fly like it's 1950
Can they smoke on the plane too?
@SuccessfulHornDog cigars for wealthy businessmen who also get to slap the air stewardess on the behind. Why not
@SuccessfulHornDog @Catholicgirl22
Don't be overdramatic. I didn't say air travel should be reserved for millionaires and billionaires. However, it is a fact of today's time that people fly too much. Flying once from Berlin to New York is like driving several hundred thousand miles by car. The climate balance of air travel is absolutely horrible. Now, if you do this once a year it's forgivable but there are tons of people who do these kind of trips far more frequently. My parents have already flown on vacation 4 times this year and they are not particularly wealthy. I'm happy for them - it's nice they can enjoy their life. However, I also want the beauty of this planet to persist for my children. And so I do believe flying should cost something. It should be expensive enough that we truly value it. Not like "on Friday I'm gonna fly to London for shopping for 3 days".
And like I said, I'm not a bargain hunter. I think that's stupid. I'd rather fly less and pay more for good quality.
You're the dramatic one. Trying to solve everyone problems and the ecology.
@SuccessfulHornDog
Asking for somewhat higher prices for air travel is not dramatic by any stretch of the imagination. I'm being very calm. You're the one freaking out over this and claiming I want to take it away from everyone and only leaving it for the rich.
Why not ask for higher food prices too.
I beg to differ. You are the one trying to impose your ideas on the market. i think the market should decide. Its not to late to go back to Cuba.
Sorry but I disagree. As a small/average sized Asian girl I do not want to sit next to a large person. It’s not just about the width of the seat. It would be extremely time consuming and uncomfortable like being in a cell, even if the airlines made the seats wider and roomier (there is a limit to which this is possible). Safety is another issue. Would a larger person be able to move quickly if there is an emergency? I think not. I also do not want to subsidize their ticket.,
@SuccessfulHornDog
"It's not too late to go back to Cuba" That's the kind of overdramatic hysterical tone I'm talking about. Just an unnecessary polemic insult.
There's something called taxes. We also have them on gas. I'm sure you've heard of that.
@asker
Not all food. But yes, meat should indeed be taxed to be more expensive. It too is very harmful for our planet's climate. By the way: just yesterday was "Earth Overshoot Day".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Overshoot_Day
I thought christians care about preserving god's creation? But I guess in catholicism that's all a bit fickle because you can just let some priest absolve you from your sins and conveniently god won't give a shit anymore.
@Jenny888 I don't quite understand what point you're addressing.
I’m disagreeing with you that airline seats are fine as is, never had trouble fitting into one. Making it larger won’t help much. How large should they be? 50 in? 60?
Better solution is charge customers for 2 seats if they need 2 seats.
And no, flying is not cheap, at least in Canada.
@Jenny888
Well, good for you that you're a petite girl. Not everyone has your physique though. I'm not fat and I still struggle to sit comfortably in many airline seats. Not just because they are too narrow but also because they don't offer enough leg room. You guys call me crazy for wanting an environmental tax on air travel, yet you are the ones who let yourselves be ripped off. I've said above that airline seats used to be considerably wider a few decades ago. It has all become a game of who can make the biggest profits. And where do they cut quality first? At their customers. And you're just okay with that. Well, I'm not.
I support a system where a person would pay by size /width/weight. And no I don’t mind being weighed or measured at the airport. It’s 2018 and I’m sure they can work out a way to do this discreetly. They can easily work a scale into the existing places (ie TSA, conveyor belts that transport you to your gate or a booth to weigh and measure you etc). the weight should be for total weight (person’s weight plus baggage weight).
You understand that stats prove that lower income families are exponentially more likely to be obese than higher income? So raising the price of a ticket will get rid of a lot of those fat people you dont like lol @catholicgirl @SuccessfulHornDog
@Malita55 lower income fatties have nowhere to go except the fridge
Well I’m not looking for a significant increase. Just saying it should be proportional to how much the total person is carrying ie a 120 lb person without luggage should pay less than a 200lb person without luggage. But if that 120 lb person had luggage weighing above 80lb then they should pay more.
UGH tell me about it... I got samwiched between two very large guys last time I flew. And I know it's not like they mean to-- but that was really weird to be literally touching shoulders with both...
I think if one seat won't fit them then they should be responsible for buying another. Like how you can only carry on a certain size suitcase kinda. there's only so much space. So if you're gonna need more of it then get more. Please.
Honestly, yes. Like if your person is in another's space, that's just not right. However, there need to be either a) seats for larger people on planes (maybe they could pay a premium for them) or b) morbidly obese people (not Ashley) need to buy two seats.
I agree with Oracle, the seats should not be made to simply increase profit, times have changed and making seats a little bigger would be good because the average American has gotten bigger (height and width)
I doubt Ashley has anything to worry about in real life while flying because she is most definitely first class. :)
Smaller seats mean lower prices
People don't want slightly increased costs. It would just be better that a chubby person buys an extra seat at a cheaper cost
Exactly. Now imagine a fat person on a plane crushing an average size person because they refuse to pay a little bit extra for an extra seat
When I was young a fat woman fell on me and couldn't get up.
If they can't fit in one, yes. Or purchase a 1st class ticket if that means they have enough space.
Some people blame the airlines and say they should have bigger seats - that should be completely up to each airline, but sure.
However, larger seats should (or rather, inevitably would) absolutely cost more.
If the extra cost is too much of a hassle - lose weight.
Ashley Graham definitely isn't the definition of the kind of fat that needs two seats. But if you're over a size 16/18, you definitely need to purchase two seats. I've sat next to obese people before, and they've actually had the indecency to LIFT UP the spacer (arm rest between the two seats) between us to make themselves more comfortable. Disgusting.
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I think part of the problem is that planes try so hard to squash as many people to each flight as possible. Im 6ft which isn't much taller than the average and the only way I can avoid being in physical pain on most flights is to pay more for extra leg room.
But ultimately, yes. If you're infringing upon the comfort of others then you should have to pay for an extra seat OR planes should create a few rows of seats for larger people.
Instead of them purchasing for two seats, why not make some seats bigger - so people can order them if they needs to? It's better an airplane have some regular sized and some bigger seats, so people can purchase for something that fits them than for two seats. One of the reason is safety reasons. If you're purchasing for two seats, you gets seat belts and arm rests that fits two instead of one. So the airlines should consider making some seats bigger.
@hasrett Exactly. If seats are bigger that means passengers are paying for an extra seat or for a seat and a half.
@hasrett But if they are paying extra for a bigger seat it would even out. I think they need seats with a "Cone of Silence" for screaming kids.
@IndieGirlJess how would higher plane tickets even out?
If there were larger seats, thin people would purchase them as well to be more comfortable
@SuccessfulHornDog maybe not if they were more expensive. Maybe they'd just rather take better class if they really want to spend money.
Yes, it’s awkward having to be touching shoulders with someone for over 2 hours.
u If they can't fit in one seat and that is all they pay for, that means that someone else is paying for their rotundness and globularity!
I don’t think she is big enough to merit a two seat buy in planes or public transportation. However, if people are obese to the point trespassing on the other seats, I do think buying two seats should be required.
From an anecdotal perspective, I have been on some plane rides before where I’m stuck in the middle or window row and I have someone next to me just sort of, well, spilling over his seat and really pressing on me. Usually, I don’t mind flying myself despite being 6’4.” I need all the space I can get though, and if someone is pressing on me, it can get really uncomfortable.
Now, I don’t know about airplane economics. They may need to change their seat amount or the seats themselves. They may not— I dunno. That being said though, I do think a very obese (and wide) passenger should buy two seats, or a first class seat, if the other option is affecting the rides of others.
I don’t expect airplane rides to be extremely comfortable, but I do expect that, by paying for my ticket, I have more or less reserved my spot in its entirety for the flight. I can’t help for fish taco eaters on my right or screaming children on my left, but I do at least want my airplane seat bubble as my last little sanctuary.
That's how I feel
I voted "other," to the affirmative with possible broader applications. I have been stuck on uncomfortable flights with people who have large proportions without being overweight. Granted, such are sub economy class planes, but they have seats that are suitable for giants, as well as aisle seats - which are suitable for large people who don´t take consideration for those who are stuck in the middle or window seat.
Ryanair wants to draw every penny it can from customers, so they should either be instantly reseated (physical dimensions are required in the same way onboard luggish has a size allowance) or have to pay for said seats, indeed pay for two seats (often costing 40ish dollars, this is hardly asking for much).
I'd say yes. Why would someone who is obese and already in physical pain, not want to just buy two seats anyway? You'd be more comfortable. Seems logical to do if you take up two seats anyways. But they should make it law to enforce as well, in my opinion
I agree. Maybe they need the cash for food
The problem is that AG isn't a 1%er - she is probably not far above the US adult average.
The airlines can't pretend that it's still 1950 and the average man is 5'8" and 160 pounds, and the average woman is 5'4" and 100 pounds. The FAA should require - for safety if for no other reason - that seats are big enough to seat people in the 70th percentile - measured once a decade and given a 5 year period to comply.
Yes, it will raise ticket prices about 10%. That can be absorbed, as increases for other reasons have proven.
Just cause your ass is too fat to fit in a single seat doesn't mean most people's are.
Here is Mr fuck government regulation of private business and there shouldn't be public education because fuck the children saying, yeah the government should force a private business to have larger seats, that doesn't reek of someone being morbidly obese at all
@Waffles731 Again, if it was just a few people, that would be one thing, but airlines intentionally make seats SMALLER than average to increase capacity. I'm normally for minimal regulations, but sometimes regulations ARE necessary.
1 she isn't that big.
2 that's cruel to point her out like that
3 women can be big and beautiful
4 Airlines are notoriously cheap. Those seats aren't a normal width. The sealing isn't a normal height. Anyone over 5'7" can't get their legs in. -> all for extra profit
5 two seats may not pass air regulation. It would depend on the design of the seat, seat track and seat frame.
6 too fat for the seat could mean too fat for an emergency exit.
7 I think you need to be polite and respectful of obese people. However if it is a real legit and serious issue then they should be accommodated like people with special needs.
8 your discomfort does not give you the right to shame fat people
I think if people are forced to pay fees when their baggage weighs more than the limit, that same fee should apply to people too.
Kinda bullshit my suitcase can't weigh over 50lbs otherwise I get hit with a bunch of fees, yet the 300lb guy next to me gets on the plane no problem. You're telling me my suitcase has a bigger impact than that guy? Nah.
I'm sure your suitcase smells better too
NO!
The fucking airlines shouldn't be packing us in like sardines. At the rate they are shrinking seat width and leg room, soon only stick figure families will be the only ones who can fly comfortably. It's ridiculous now. I only fly now if I have to or feel like throwing away several hundred dollars on First class. I'd rather spend 24 hours in my car than deal with all the bullshit of flying.
Isn't that how airlines make flights cheaper?
Fewer larger seats mean higher ticket prices, it's why flying is so inexpensive.
It doesn't work that way. airline economics are a bit complicated, but, in short, since airline deregulation, people have been getting fucked. Yes, there are cheaper seats, but the airlines could make just as much if not more money charging more for large seats. This is why, years ago before deregulation, there were many large airlines and they competed. Now we have less airlines from consolidation so there is less competition and higher de facto prices for consumers. In other words, it"s a suppliers market and in such a market the consumer gets fucked. This is why you don't vote GOP.
Hello? It's the same in every other country. That's why If you've ever been to the the UK you can get on a flight to Spain for £80 return.
I fully understand how it works young lady.
1. I am 55 and have been flying for 55 years.
2. I was born across the street from JFK Airport where my father worked from 1961 until 1994 for TWA. As a perk, we flew free so I've logged many trips. I grew up flying including flying with my father who was a pilot.
3. I work in the aviation industry for almost 13 years as an avionics systems engineer. I get "Air Transport World" and "Aerospace Daily & Defense Report" and "Business & Commercial Aviation Digest" delivered to my Inbox every day.
What expertise do you have outside of being a grumpy passenger? Hello?
Yeah but this isn't the silver age of air travel, this is the age of affordable air travel.
My experience is that of a customer not someone who got to travel for free growing up. Most people want cheap air travel not a luxury flight on Concorde.
As one not swimming in cash and hasn't had that perk in 30+ years, I agree you 100%.
That said, you have some choices:
1. You can accept the free market that simultaneously gives you "cheap seats" but also gives you uncomfortable unsafe seats.
OR
2. You can advocate for a change in the airline industry to change seat size.
OR
3. You can fork over the money for roomier seats such as in Business Class or First Class or in an Exit Row.
You are NOT going to get a major change in the airline industry for someone being overweight to pay for two seats. First, it's unsafe. Second, what about tall people like NBA players? You're going to be equally uncomfortable with their size by their not fat. Should they pay for two seats? What about people with body odor? Should they pay for two seats because you don't like their odor and the extra space helps your nose? What about the person next to you coming down with a cold? Etc.
The airlines are like: If you don't like it, tough. Put up or pay more.
NBA players can go first class.
Lol I'm pretty sure she fits into airplane seats just fine. If I can fit in them with no problem, then I know she can. Airplane seats are small AF to begin with, but they will make you purchase 2 seats if you are over a certain size.
No.
That chick is sexy as fuck and frankly I don't think she's all that big, she's above average for sure, but not that big. I'm a pretty physically fit guy, 6'4 and 240 lbs, I can life my girlfriend easily and she's 5'6 and 140 lbs (yes I have a girlfriend and find a celebrity attractive, big shocker) and I'd definitely fuck that chick silly if I got the chance so, no. I'm gonna say someone her size can probably reasonably request one seat or something.
Her ass would take up two seats.
Her legs are as thick as your body lol
As an extremely tall man, I deal with my knees going into my seatmate's space if I'm not on the aisle. I try to be polite but if the person in front of me leans their seat back it's unbearable. You can lose weight, you can't lose legs. (Unless you're Lt. Dan)
But does your ass take up half of another person's seat?
Nah my ass is tiny. 😂
I don't think she's especially big but yes, if people are flooding over into other seats they should have to pay for them.
I can't see her was fitting in a single seat
She has a pretty small upper body actually so she would most likely be the only uncomfortable one
Her back is as wide as her big ass
yes they might be the reason for a horrible flight experience. They should pay more for special plus sized seats in my opinion
I have seen bigger. But I think this is a good question in general. At what point does this become an issue? And has this already been addressed before? A very interesting question indeed!
I wish I had a girlfriend who looked that, she is smoking. Also if they are morbidly obese then probably yes. But airline seats are small to begin with.
Yeah. People with bigger proportions, regardless of weight (big and tall) that require more space should.
She’s not even big. She probably fits fine in a airplane seat. I absolutely love this woman. The story behind her weight and her personality is so inspiring for young girls. Anyway airplane seats are just so squished together anyway.
Inspiring to young girls? To what keep eating until your ass is so fat you can't fit in an airplane seat?
You’re probably jealous that she’s most likely better looking than you even if she has more body. What that woman wants to do with her body is her choice. Stop fat shaming people. It’s rude and you’re a bully. Get over yourself. People can do what they want with their body and their life and can share their own experiences. You don’t like it? Then carry on with your own life instead of trying to drag someone down for their own life choices. This woman is living the life she wants to live, she’s not forcing anyone else to live like her.
I dont care how she lives her life as long as she purchases two seats for each of her obese buttchecks and it's shameful to be so fat.
You should be ashamed of how you are and the things you say. Did your mother not raise you with manners? Don’t be so judgmental towards people. You’re not perfect you know so stop putting others down with their imperfections just so you can feel good about yourself.
I'm not being judgmental of anyone. She chooses to live a lifestyle that both she and soceity finds shameful. Like I said before I dont care what she does as long as she doesn't crush me by sitting next to me in an airplane instead of buying two seats to accommodate her bulk.
Have a lot people "bigger" than her. lol
And yes if a person it's too fat they have to pay 2 seats.
When it's time to eat, they eat for 2, 3 ,4 people. But when it's time to pay the space of 2, they cry, yell "OMG this is prejudice!"
Never thought about it, but that sounds like a good idea.
It may be offensive to her, but it's what needs to be done. Well, that or lose weight.
You just made me throw up a little in my mouth, thanks for the pics.
Okay but in my case I'm 6'5" so when I'm on the airplane the person in front of me can't put their seat back... Should I buy the seat in front of me because I'm getting in the way of their comfort?
There should be no seat back option
Nope and especially not people her size which is not that big at all compared to some people that travel on planes.
Either make bigger more expensive seats or they should buy two seats.
No, I've definitely seen people bigger than her fit.
What her was cheeks are the size of a single seat lol
She’s not even big... you tied it.
Lmao yep
@DizzyDesii tried^
She is I'm afraid
In the pictures she sank a jet ski and the coast guard was called about a beached whale.
I matters that I pay for a seat in an aircraft or train and I get crushed by her left ass cheek and smoothered by her arm fat
Because I've flown next to wildebeests like her
It's rude if your her size not to by two tickets
Or I could just sit in the seat I paid for without fat ladies blubber encroaching into my personal space.
Or I could just sit in my seat and fatties could pay for two
They should just buy 1st class those seats are always bigger anyway
I'd just put all the very fat people next to each others
Wow she has a great ass. No, let's not force her to buy two seats, this whole thing is the airlines fault for not making adaquate seating in a country they know has a developong obesity problem.
Bigger seats mean higher ticket prices meaning everyone else is paying a portion extra for her giant ass
I think there are worse things to pay for.
Great ass, or great big ass. If my ass looked like a couple of hams hanging on a hook I wouldn't be wearing that type of bathing suit that doesn't flatter larger people at all. It just makes them look ridiculous. It would be the same as a fat dude wearing a thong bathing suit. But it is apparently only females who get shamed for being large, not men.
I think that's a little bit of jealousy talking. She's got a great ass, ain't nothing she wears here puts my eyes in the mood to leave it.
I guess it's true for some, any port in a storm.
Well when your port can only fit a dingie or a raft, I understand why you look at the wharf with envy.
even 2 might not be enough, maybe she might need a 3rd seat
Yes i agree with you on this. That is why I'm trying to reach
my goal with weight loss cause i don't want to be where them
people are now.
This is going to cause a shitstorm you realize? :)
It needs to be asked
Is she really so big? what about men. Aren't they larger than her
I've meet few men wider than her as cheeks
No they shouldn't. I think that planes should widen the width of the seats as they are already terribly small.
I think it would be better overall if the seats were made bigger
But then you must pay more
This is only logical, it’s a matter of 3d space, either you fit in one seat or you don’t in which case you need more than one or to buy first class so you have a bigger seat
i do not think so, but i would not mind rubbing up against her boobs LOL
You act like she's 400lbs or something... smh Just back off of her.
She ain't that big.
Too big for an airliner seat.
Ashley Graham is one of the sexiest women alive.
This isn't about how attractive she is to chubby chasers lol
Her ass is the size of two seats
No she's not nearly large enough
Compare her was to the seats
Or her as cheeks
Only if they are not hawt and saxxy!
Absolutely!
She gonna have fork up cash pay for first class.
Cargo hold is more suitable for them.
No! Stop fat shaming
No. She should sit on you.
Those thighs tho!
They remind me of an elephant legs.
Too fat to fly
Another fat shamer, on GAG, typical
Being fat is shameful.
And there we go.. this just proves it, with your comment
Downvote me all you want, QA just proved I'm right
It's not I who shakes fat people it's themselves
Just sayin'
You can only be shamed for something your ashamed about.
No, you're fat shaming, get over it
Being fat is something to be ashamed of already so why would I fat shame? I just want them to buy a 2nd seat rather than have their blubber intrude into a seat I've paid for.
And there we go, now we get to the cherrypicking
It's FAT SHAMING. YOU'RE A FATIST
You're not a good person, sorry
There's no point sugar coating it for a fat person, they should just buy two seats.
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