Honestly I don't think there would, right now it's very easy for men to judge women but if they could get pregnant and give birth because they fucked around I think abortion would be a standard procedure.
No, there wouldn't.
Yes, there would.
Yes but anti-abortionists would be treated the same as flat-earthers.
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Do you think there would even be an abortion debate if men could get pregnant?
Well, I would assume that the pro-life men would still adhere to their word and have the baby, if they could get pregnant. I’m pro-life, so if I could become pregnant, I can’t see myself killing the baby; I just wouldn’t be comfortable with myself moving forward. I want children in my life, so having children is not undesirable to me at all. I think for me, it’s more about timing than whether or not I want to have children. As of right now, I’m not in any state to support a family, but in the near future, I will be.
A friend of a friend had an argument with a guy on her friends facebook page he was outright pro life until he found out that his ex girlfriend was pregnant and he was the baby daddy. He soon changed his opinion when it suited him to do so.
What was the point of giving me this one example? There’s billions of people on this planet... Of course, there will be hypocrites in either sex, for either topic, and in any place on the planet...
Yes, there'd still be debates. I feel like this issue divides men and women even though It really shouldn't. Sure, women go through the physical process of giving birth, but the responsibility of parenthood go to both genders. That's why nobody should be excluded in this debate, because everybody is affected. I'm pro-choice, but the more you try to exclude men from the topic the less likely they will understand.
The funny thing is that most men do not choose to be involved in parenthood, how many happily married couples have abortions statistically? Spoiler alert: they usually don't.
Yeah, you're right. I believe that once the father rejects his custody over the unborn child, it can be aborted by her choice. Most pro-life men's arguments consist of religious points such as the sacrality of life. Same for women, actually. If men were the ones getting pregnant, there would still be men who go pro-life just as there are women today who oppose abortion.
The tables would turn and the women would have all the power because the men would now be the home makers and women would be the main bread winners. Women would sit in parliament and decide what men can an can not do with their bodies even in cases of sexual assault.
If guys could get pregnant abortions would not only be legal but they’d be free. There would be no debate whatsoever. But since we live in a patriarchy women don’t get to control their bodies like that unfortunately.
Uhhh... No. Abortion is still abortion. Although I would argue that abortion should be only be prevented 7 months after conception , i. e., after the Central Nervous System fully develops unless it's a case of rape or medical consequences
@daanzaan What did you even say now? After 7 months? That is already true infanticide, the baby coud alreadu survive outside the womb by that time not even considering how risky it is for the mother.
@blythely I literally am already calling you "the meaningless one-liner guy" in my head, I thought about blocking you for just wasting my time but this is getting entertaining.
Yes, I think there still would be debate. There would still be people who have an issue with abortion for religious/moral reasons. However, I do think things would be very different if men experienced the fear, stress, and pain that comes with pregnancy.
There’s already abortion as “standard procedure”, much more than even that, “standard procedure” is including full term abortion, right up to delivery. It’s not easy for men to judge women, especially on this issue. It’s practically impossible, and therefore an interesting hypothetical, but silly really, bc it will never happen.
It has to do with people's ability to actually imagine themselves in the other's place, empathy, nothing else. Most seem incapable of that and are quick to pass judgement, I do not support abortion past first trimester but I do support having that choice at least in the very beginning.
So why put it all on men? Saying it’d be different because WHY? If men could carry a child, abortion would be more accessible? I’m wondering if it wouldn’t even exist, if men could bear kids. It would be less accessible, or not even an option- maybe🤔
My point is, abortion should always be the absolute last choice. To me, it seems too available, in the big picture. So your thesis that things would be less restrictive if men could bear, seems sorta silly... ate already accessible.
I just think most men who do not care about this debate would care and many of those who refute abortion would have different views if it actually was a question of their bodies and lives.
You don't even understand the answer the answer is no there won't be a debate because women control everything. You can see how sexist the world is against man by reading the link I posted
Educated?😂 Girl many people like you create hell lot of problems in life by over- thinking. The question you askd would never happen. Men are meant to be fathers only, they are not sea horse.😂
Fathers only, that's right as you said, so why do they think they are entitled to a woman's body when tehy are not the ones who have to go throught pregnancy and childbirth?
The woman gives life a to a baby because both gametes are equally necessary to create a baby but the woman is the one who actually delivers the final product and the one who has to go through the pain of pregnancy of childbirth while the guy just got laid.
Ahh i see, product. Your point is about services here. But we dont see it as service or product. Just coz she undergoes pain doesn't give her preliveleged rights. Women's body is ready to undergo that kind of pain, to bring out a baby, that is how nature is.(secret is it would never be so hard childbirth if she is a healthy women, well thats none of my business how she has maintained her health and starts complaining/blaming later)
Nobody is sure how good a women is to take care of the child. Most women aren't even ready. And some mothers are more toxic than anyone.
But all these things won't go into your head coz you havnt seen the worst part.
And i dont know still how this is related to 'if men could get pregnent and starting abortion debate'.
It all has to do with empathy, it is easy to judge others if you will never really stand in their shoes, so this is a tiny attempt to motivate people to imagine things if tables were turned. (And a little clarification, childbirth is painful and it has nothing to do with how she takes care of her health, the homo sapiens woman's body is the worst adapted to giving birth - since our ancestors decided to stand on two feet our hips had to become more narrow while the brain (hence the size of the baby's head) gradually became bigger. And yes, since the biggest risks and responsibilities fall on the woman - she should be able to decide whether she want's to go through with it.
It is easy to judge if you never stand in their shoes...
Did you stand in mens shoes to see how & what they go through? Big no. So first before you point at others, pls do point at self too...
And that is totally false. Women are ready for child since birth, their lifestyle changes them or makes them unhealthy, its her fault.
My grandmother gave birth to 10(no joke) and not a single time she went to hospital or needed pain killers. Why? She knew how to undergo it after first child... She was healthy enough to bear 9 more, not that she didn't undergo pain, but it was not that horrible as you seem to show it. I dont know who taught you that biggest risk and responsibilties fell on women.
If she wants to really decide that, tell her man at first. He will go with another women than a complainer. And again its not her baby alone, it is equally a man's (fathers) baby too. So no way women can do all by her own. If she wasn't ready for motherhood, why have sex in the first place? Was sex soo much important for that women, that she enjoys it at cost of babg and later starts blaming man and seeking such big rights? If she is, such is totally ready to be unworthy mother👍..
(We are not considering here rape cases or forced cases, just ones who had sex & got pregnant by choice)
I am pretty sure I would not know and would not care, the person known as me would simply not exist. Nothing wrong with that. It's just a game of luck.
(and that picture is very inaccurate, the fetus has no conscious existence, plus it would be very selfish to just make the woman care for you even if she does not want to or simply can not just because you think you have some rights to be cared for)
Mmm, not really, that's just scientific facts that ignorant people choose to ignore. People who think it's right to force their beliefs on others and pass laws based on them even if it brings so much misery.
News flash, if you can't have responsible sex so that you don't get pregnant, then be celibate. If both the guy and girl use protection there should be no reason that you get pregnant. Because if one of the contraceptive devices fails, the other will take up the slack. If both of them fail you gotta stop using cheap Walmart "made in China" condoms.
I don't think abortion is a men against women issue at all. It's entirely a debate of when human life begins. Except for the crazies who say it's ok to let a baby born alive die... they're just killers by any standard.
Yeah, but for men it's way easier to deep women infant murderers regardless as it doesn't really apply to them, they are not the ones with theil lives and bodies at stake. I personally am only for abortion during the first trimester as I believe that is enough time to make that choice without actually causing anyone pain.
Due to nature of men, who are typically more responsible and are biologically inclined to be more logical, men simply wouldn't skip using the pill, therefore it wouldn't affect abortion debate.
True to what she said, it is the men who consider the pull-out method to be the right way to go about things, talk about responsible. And a vast majority of men surveyed about the male Pill that is in progress that they would not want to think about drinking it everyday and dealing with it's side effects.
right, because this whole thing has nothing to do with women freaking murdering babies for THEIR convenience. Let's just keep blaming men for everything. lol.
I am aware of that, especially those religious nutjobs and women who had an abortion without truly thinking it through, regretting it later and deciding they should deprive other women of the opportunity to make that choice. The point in equivalency scenario is to try and imagine yourself in the shoes of another because most "pro-life" men only have strong opinions about it until it actually affects them personally in a negative way.
I'm sure you know better, all men are saints and only speak universal truth and all women just try to make their live miserable because they were created by Satan, we get that👍
Yes, it certainly does compare. Your vagina gets ripped apart if you 1: dont prep for it or 2: your kid is much larger than expected. A c-section is a surgery, natural birth is natural, meaning your body is built to accommodate it and continue going on afterward. Bodies aren't built for surgery. Of course, both processes are painful and require recovery, but a c-section does take more time to recover from.
I am sorry imagining youself in the place of another seems like such a bad approach, I guess you wouldn't know anything about empathy, so it would be fine if men did that but it's not fine for women?
If you wish to believe that. They too often run away from babies that they did not have to suffer for, I just don't see them going through with it if they had to suffer as well.
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