Are Italians real white people?

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ODC2112 · Accepted Answer

Part1:
This is a weird thing that could happen only in the country of massive weirdness, the USA. What is white or not in America is a misconception. American whiteness has nothing to do with skin colour. Because you are weird people.

In America you are white when you are like the Anglo-American ethnic group. In fact, the stereotypical traits of white in the United States are those of the English Calvinist. These are not the traits of the Germans, the Italians, the Russians, the Poles, the Swedes, the Finns, the French, the Belgians, but the English one only.

The United States is the only country where the population with the most blondes in the world, the Finns, has been non-white. Finns were non-white to Americans, which has never been the craziest thing, unbelievable. When I read the article in which it was written there, I laughed. Many other peoples were non-whites, the Russians, the Poles, or the Irish Reds and Hungarians.

Initially there was talk of "free white person", i. e., a Protestant landowner. The anti-Catholic / anti-Orthodox view is predominant in what Americans is believed to be white or non-white in the United States. With the war of independence there is an increase in the political weight of the Anglo-Saxon Protestant (Calvinist) component which aims to consider only the Protestant Anglo-Saxons white. Therefore, Americans considered non-white all European not protestants.

In the mid-nineteenth century scientific racism arrives. Anthropologists catalogued by measures of the skull or their face. The Americans consider Nordic people to be white, and people with Celtic traits except the Irish.

There has always been a strong anti-Catholic stigma in the US. But in the case of southern Italians, who are 90% of Italian immigrants to the US, this was even greater. Large parts of Italian immigrants were from the south, from Sicily and Naples. An interesting book of this argument is “Whiteness of a Different Color” written by Matthew Frye Jacobson.

Anthropometries at the time was a science. It was used by the first criminologist Dr. Lomborso an Italian scholar of Jewish origins. He thought that criminal behaviour was biologically motivated. Therefore, the propensity to be criminal was an atavistic flaw inherited from the parents. Being a hereditary thing, it was visible in the somatic features of the subject. Lombroso's studies were based on a sample of prisoners in a large part of southern Italy. Therefore, his test had a sample selection bias. That is, it predicts that all those who have the facial features typical of certain populations of southern Italy are criminals. Inhabitants of southern Italy were labelled as biologically inferior, semi-barbarians or complete barbarians, by natural destiny, or also an ethnic group akin to Blacks (with N).

At the time Italian positive criminology was what the most advanced science American government believed it completely. This fuelled a huge stigma against southern Italians who came to the United States. In fact, in the migratory records of the United States, apartheid between southern Italians and the rare Italian of the north is noted. Even in period sociological studies they are found as distinct groups. The American state touched what it found in the books of Italian criminologists, it found certain people who in Italy were naturally considered criminals who were prone to crime, a litmus test. Lombroso's theories were discredited as pseudo-science in 1914. But the damage was done.

DaveJord · Accepted Answer

Italian, like myself, are Latin in origin... Spanish, Italian and French are all Latin based languages. And of course Italy, France and Spain are all Western European Countries and just because we tan better, doesn't been we are not white.

But we are not English, Scots, Irish or Scandinavian either. Most of the Central European Countries are Germanic, like Germany, Cezh, Austria and Eastern Euro Countries are Russo, or Pols like Russian and Poland and all mixed up in between. All of which are Western European countries... Italians are Latin, and the English and Scandinavian (which are the whitest of the white) countries have always resented main land European Countries and especially the Southern European Latin nations.

This because Latins are primarily Roman Catholic and protestant, or evangelicals... and and therefore protestant where discriminated against in these countries... and the US was founded by protestant type pilgrims which were considered to be religious zealots, and pretty fanatical at the time and encouraged to leave England and settle the new world out of all the moderates religious people way.

Msputiton · Accepted Answer

So someone very close to me is italian.
I can tell you what she told me.

They kinda get mixed feelings.

Up till the mafia became a movie icon italians were not considered white, once mainstream America made it cool to be Italian, they were adopted into white culture.

That's as far as my knowledge of this goes

Starla1234 · Accepted Answer

Anyone with white skin is a white person in my eyes

MarkRet · Answer

Italians are white, but their DNA varies. Most northern Italians are descended from Gauls, Celts, and Germanic tribes that invaded from the north and settled with the Etruscans and other native groups. From Rome on down, the Romans brought in a lot of slaves from Egypt, north Africa, Syria, and places like that, so that's why southern Italy has a lot of people with darker hair and darker skin tone. It's interesting, because northern Italy seems to be the area where there's car manufacturing, fashion industry, and most of Italy's money. Southern Italy is about 100 years in the past, where they grow olives, make pizza, and have a higher crime rate.

SeekerOfBooty · Answer

In Europe, they are.
We consider all Europeans here white, which includes also the Portuguese, Spanish, Greek and Italian people.

Here we don't have that yummy victim culture that the US has, because everyone is the majority in their respective countries.
Calling yourself non-white isn't going to yield any benefit when you are the 95% majority in your own country.

If anything, it's going to make others think you are a retard, or an American tourist (interchangeable).

jshm2 · Answer

Europeans come in the White skin and Brown skin variety depending on if they are from the colder or wintery region.

Italians are unusual in that they have the sun kissed Sicily region where Italians are mostly olive skinned. Then regions like Lombardy which are baltic at times and people of paler complexions.

You'll rarely have Italians calling themselves "white," though hooligans and fascists do so mostly for the aesthetics ; and get dually laughed at.

But you should have stuck around for that "white person" getting laughed at for using "mud blood" like some edgy, autistic, dipshit.

jaybee281 · Answer

Your knowledge is all over the place - I'm Italian - Most people in Northern and central Italy (myself included) are white as fuck - You only see Italians that are more on the brown side in Southern Italy - They'd definitely either be from greek ancestry (then again most of Southern Italy have greek ancestry and most of them are still white, just like greeks are considered white with some being more brown than to be white) - or one of their grandparents or parents is not European - which is the more likely scenario.. by the way Alyssa Milano is white as fuck too, thank god I played far cry 6 and watched breaking bad so I know who Esposito is, his mother is black, and the dude who you put his picture as an example of a "brown" Italian has "Jacobs" as his family name - That doesn't sound like some great renaissance family now does it? Like maybe just maybe he recently got that nationality from someone who happens to be Italian from his family who isn't at all Italian?

KatanaSlice · Answer

It depends what part of Italy you're from. In northern Italy the people are pale with blonde hair and in the south in places like Sicily they have a darker more olive appearance. What's more is in Sicily many of the people there have Moorish ancestry.

CasaNorba · Answer

I would of thought that all European folks were considered white but yeah Italians along Greeks, Spanish and Portuguese can be an exception because not only are their skin slightly darker by default but they sure are hell dont hunk when they talk like most white folks do.

but oh well maybe the italian-americans can be white because the majority of them are obviously mixed. and according to movies like A Bronx Tale its safe to say that italians do get pigeon hole as whites either way

noohair · Answer

Wow, it is 2022 and the ignorance is astounding. Race is a 19th century pseudo-scientific theory to define humans by physical appearance. It is a defunct concept yet a widely followed construct. It is a convenient way to divide people into tribes that are easier to control by the political overseer class. There is one race, Homo sapiens.

Dargil · Answer

Sicily was invaded by North African Moors. Many of them are darker completed and have wavy hair. If you look at Egyptians, they show that too. And I don't think we have to split hairs on race.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

Yeah, that's why they're darker than Irish, German, Nordic, Polish, English and Scottish people.

lightbulb27 · Answer

no, there's no such thing as real white people.

I just think of them as Italians... and there are many cultures in Italy. I don't think of white people as white people. Whoever came up with all the color determination stuff was color blind.

The_Transporter · Answer

Yeah they're pretty White. Those guys on Jersey shore are pale as hell, they just tan the shit out of themselves.

dodobord · Answer

You just know this question was asked by an American.

globetrotter22 · Answer

They will be white when it’s socially convenient for them to be. But nowadays I am sure they will try to be non white as possible.

Aurora1010 · Answer

Yes they are white. Modern western society was shaped by Mediterranean civilizations anyway (Romans and Greeks)

GoPhuckYaself · Answer

their skin colour is white, so doesn't being the colour white define you as being white? i even think albino black people are white

QuietRunner · Answer

Most of the Italian peninsula along with Spain were conquered by the Moors for a few hundred years.

There is some Arabic traits in Italians.

Germans and more Northern Europe are closer to a less mixed white people

diamonddreams · Answer

Just because stupid shit pops into your head doesn’t mean you have to post it online.

Better_off_here · Answer

Yes they are, if they were born in America that is. it is like a german person they are white as their race even if they were born in germany.

exitseven · Answer

Did the guy that called the Italian person that get the crap kicked out of him?

OddBeMe · Answer

The ones who cook great bolognese. The rest are shit.

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