I said no, because they had such an insecurity about who and what they really are they turned to scientific manipulation and medical mutilation in order to live a lie. I do not think this a healthy way to deal with insecurities or good for their own mental health... because on some level they will always know its a lie premised on a false hood.
The picture you provided make for good propaganda but you know as well as I do it does not mean they are all that emotionally or mentally adjusted... and most like 99.9% of then will not look like that. Going through a transition might be one way to treat the symptoms of their insecurity about gender, it will not resolve the underlying mental health issues, and it will create other problems for them through out their lives... that if not resolved through a healthy process will dominate their lives. And honestly once you transition you can't really get back to where you started or who you truly are.
I am all about live and let live and that they are people to and I am not about shaming anyone... but I will never respect it and I will always feel sorry for them... but at the some time I will not contribute to the falsehood or lie and play the part of an enabler.
At first, my answer was one of revulsion, but you know what? Let's play "The Devil's Advocate"!
Given the hypergamy caused by technology in the dating market, where so many young men are passed over and rejected as the 80% of women pursue the 20% of top tier men only, might hard up "InCel" young men of today "settle" for a tranny if she kept up "her" appearance so that she would always "pass" as a female? Here are a couple of YouTube essays by a deadpan nerdy fellow on the subject. I suspect he is being facetious as well in his deadpan nerdy voice, but hey, it's entertaining:
Will even some bisexual or lesbian women accept trannies as their "gal pals with benefits"?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/BGnevsPlSbc OK, stepping out of Devil's Advocate mode. I have questions for @catlover1999 (these questions are respectful, while I do think what you want to do is folly, I am just trying to understand)
I take it that you are a lad who wishes he was a lass. But to what extent?
1. Would this just be playing dress-up, looking like a woman whilst remaining anatomically male, or do you want to hormonally or even surgically alter yourself?
2. What is your sexual orientation? Do you wish to have a relationship with a woman as a feminized male gal pal, or with a man as his "bottom" (I think that is the term)?
3. Does your sexual orientation change?
@catlover1999 But seriously, what makes you do what you do and want to be what biologically you are not? (Again, not finding fault here, just trying to understand).
Q1 Answer: I do want to go on HRT to grow breasts, bigger arse, and have surgery to physically feel and appear as if I was born female.
Q2 Answer: I’m straight as in I would be lesbian if I were a “woman” however I am bi-curious.
Q3 Answer: I have heard that HRT might change my orientation to either being lesbian, straight or bi.
And the answer to the last question is that I have gender dysphoria and would rather have a female’s body.
Q1: OK, so you are saying this goes beyond playing "dress up"? See your next answer.
Q2: But would your sexual orientation really change? For instance, other guys have posted here about "FemDom" or "being feminized" by a woman. To my mind that is still wackadoodle, but those "girly men" are really just playing "dress up" and are still heterosexual; they just want kinky play. Whatever it is, transgender it arguably *isn't*.
3. So to you, this is going beyond kinky play, this is that your man in such a relationship would bend you over and take you homosexually? (See above about kinky play not being transgendered per se).
Anyway, I guess my point is while I totally understand what you wrote in:
What I hate about being male! ↗
because a lot of things about being male, my response still stands. (Click back and see it there). If I tried to look like a lady, I would just be an even bigger dork than I already am! :D
Being trans is separate from those kinks you mentioned. And my sexuality might change but it might stay the same.
I don't like a guy who has taken hormones to grow breasts but still has a cock that can get hard in front of little girls, or women, who don't want to experience that in women's restrooms, locker rooms, etc.
If they want to go in the guys than ok or they can use a single person neutral gender restroom which most places are putting in now.
What about post-ops?
I think someone who wants to castrate themself has a serious mental problem.
The rate of suicide among transgenders is off the charts.
I think it’s around 40% which is terrible however hormones and surgeries have relieved gender dysphoria for a lot, perhaps most (adult) trans people.
Right, stay in ur their own bathroom 🚻
I don't think they need my acceptance. But yeah, I'd definitely refer to them as "she" and "her" It's not like it's going to harm any of us to refer them as "her"
Yes, it’s the alternative pronouns like they, them, ze, zer which is makes it more complicated.
It’s like the “women” pictured above have put enough effort into looking like women to the point where your subconscious will register them as women but like how do you know a non-binary person when you see one.
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u No, and I don't owe anyone an explanation.
If you are trans, that has nothing to do with me. You are a person. And I respect you for who you are. However, If I’m going after someone and they don’t let me know they use to be a “guy” before they are a girl or whatever. Then I believe that is wrong. Just because you believe you are female and you changed yourself for yourself, you should not be depriving me of my right to decide if I want to be with you as a trans person. That should be the first thing that comes up. If I’m cool with it. Good for you, if not.. we move on.. sorry tangent but yeah. As far as your decisions. It’s not me to decide or judge you for your choices. That’s you and only you
No, not as a dating option, and none of them fully pass. The first one is like 80% passing, Blaire White is like 85% female looking, and the third one maybe 90%, but I can still tell they're male. I don't mind being friends with a transwoman. I knew a trans bartender here. But you can't force straight men to be gay.
However, if they can fool my eyes, then yes, I can call them by female pronouns. Only the bottom two girls here look female enough for me to do that though; the first one still looks like a man, so I'm not calling that person a she/her.
Mental genders aren't real, only biological sex = gender.
A person of any gender can do whatever they want socially (participants willing).
As far as actually being women goes, if trans, they aren't (unless they started out as hermaphrodites and only removed their male organs).
The only reason I would call them women though, is because I honestly can't tell that they aren't just by looking, so much so in fact, that I genuinly think these are just photos of regular women, because I've seen real trans people, and it never ends up looking like the opposite gender, it always ends up looking like a drag queen, so I have to sit here and question the claim that that grade of transformation is even possible.
I've dated Trans women but they were all pre-op so they all still had dicks
Honestly, I have no idea 😆 probably still straight
Of course. Several of my best friends are trans girls who are on the hormone therapy treatments. I do not think that they should compete in women's sports if they waited until later in life to begin their transition though. People who wait until they are in their 30’s and older are not going to change their body very much.
Realistically, how am I going to know? Maybe it's just my more egalitarian attitude, but I don't go around asking people their gender, except under VERY strange circumstances. Unless I see evidence to the contrary, I'll probably accept you as whatever you claim to be.
No thank you. If I’m going to pass on Thai trannies, who are “prettier than women” sure as Hell ain’t messing with those he men. FYI, In Asia and too perfectly beautiful to be true likely is a male package 📦
Depends, if it acts like a girl, looks like a girl and sounds like a girl, I'm going to assume it's a girl.
Some of these seem like women, so I would assume so.
"Accept" is a strange word to use. When do they need my acceptance? Only when it has something to do with me. I wouldn't accept to date one for example. But why would they need my acceptance just to be? That seems weird.
I wouldn't for sports or in a relationship but anything else I wouldn't care about
How I outwardly refer to them has no bearing on how I inwardly feel about them. I personally think transwomen are exactly that, neither men nor women. I'm not sure what you're asking.
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I'm free to accept or reject anyone I choose, whether outwardly to others or privately to myself. That's my right as a citizen. If a transwoman looks and acts like a woman then I'll be more likely to treat them like a woman. If they act like a mentally ill person or a pervert then that is how I'll treat them. It's going to be on a case by case basis. Another reason I think identity politics are so stupid because it reduces everyone to their gender, race, religion, and sexuality.
I would accept them as they are. They are people and their gender choice has nothing to do with me and does not affect me.
Look do what makes you happy, but I personally don't wanna date a trans person ever
That's soo creepy, the thought that I could technically mistake a man for a woman. This kind of thing is one of the reasons why God will destroy the Earth. The sin, such horrible sin.😰
Yes, in a social scenario. In part because I wouldn't be able to tell them apart and because in a social scenario it really doesn't matter what sex a person have.
Accept them? In what way? If you mean date them, then no.
They are still blokes, kiddo.
Shit rolled in glitter, is still shit.
First is gorgeous. Second has a literal boob shelf. Third is about 50% cute 50% basic white girl, so probably does the best at passing.
Either way, your previous gender doesn't bother me all that much as long as it's in the past.
No, because they're pretending to be someone they're not. People say that we should "accept them as they are", but since they themselves don't accept the gender they were born as, why should we?
Hang on. It’s not as black and white as that. Some transgender people are actually intersex but their anatomy is 100% one sex. Also some brain scans show that transgender women have brains that are closer to brains of females than males.
I'll accept trans men and women regardless if they pass. It's not hard to do. It really isn't.
A "trans woman" has a penis. I am not a homosexual.
I would “accept” them however with something like sports I definitely think there needs to be specific measures or a separate division for trans athletes
I would date a girl who was born as a guy once she's post op. As far as I'm concerned a penis (real or fake) makes a guy. If you don't have one, you aren't a guy.
What about army guys who lost there’s?
If a person changes his male name to a female name or vice versa I will call that person by their new name.
However, he will still be a he or she will still be a she.
I'll never accept transsexualism. It's a perversion of the worst sort. It's insanity.
I would never put my penis in a “once a man” ever. Sorry, that’s my choice. The same way they made the choice to cut their cock off and make a hole
I don't know honestly my opinion is indifferent towards these people till it comes to sports and relationships. Other than that idc
To be perfectly honest I would Never accept a transexual woman Ever! I would sooner actually accept a sex Robot before any transexual Wannabe. But that is my humble Opinion.
I don't care what gender she is as long as she's true to herself. And hot.
So what are you talking about then when you say ”social scenarios”?
Work and public places, including gyms. When I said sports I meant competing in sports because I know there’s a debate about that.
Ok well yeah, but not in changing rooms/showers unless they had surgeries on their genitals. I don’t think people who still has their male genitals should be allowed in womens changing rooms and likewise women still with their female genitals should not be in male changing rooms/showers etc. That’s because there are psychos out there who will take advantage and just dress up as (usually) a woman (and may even pass quiet good) just to get to go in female only changing rooms and look at naked women and girls and/or expose themselves. I’ve read multiple news articles of this happening.
That’s a fair compromise but how could you prevent “chicks with d*cks” from entering without asking them to strip down?
Your still kissing a dude. You still talking to a dude. It's just a man with a pussy. Basically it's just a mutalated human creature at that point.
Never. I only accept natural and biological women as actual women. All else is delusion.
I'd date Grace Hyland in a second! The others aren't bad, but Grace is better looking than most natural women.
No, because they're not the gender they present themselves as.
What does that mean, “accept” them?
What are you even asking?
If we are all created equal then we should accept them in all scenarios.
It would be easiest and least likely to cause problems if I just avoid those types altogether.
Doesn’t matter if they pass or not. Surgery won’t change what they really are
I guess it’s only an issue if u treat different genders differently
I’ll treat people however they want
@Catlover1999 why do you spell them gurls?
Because gurls can be used as short for transgender women.
I accept them even if they don't pass yet.
Not participating in their delusions.
Does the last one have a lizard on her?
They sure are beautiful, especially Grace
The first and third are trans?
sure, no reason not to.
I definitely would
Yeah, I'll be willing to give them a chance.
I said no because you’re asking me to lie
Anyone with a dick not for me
Including intersex? There are some intersex that are a male in everything but their chromosomes that technically identify them as female (XX instead of XY).
No, I can't get them pregnant.
Nope
Is everything ok for me
Because Trans is a mental illness.
"Accept" them in what way?
I would love to try sex with a trans some day
Absolutely NOT!
Absolutely.
Those girls are hot
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