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Women seem to constantly ridicule and argue with men who state what their preferences are in a woman and a relationship. When men talk about what they want so many women get instantly triggered.
Women know, from experience, that men will usually give up a lot to have sex with them, and they manipulate men by manipulating that desire. Women also know that if that doesn't work out (and it occasionally does not) there is always another man waiting to meet their needs.
For the most part, women are parasites and they are able to corrupt our legal, social, and political systems to benefit themselves to the detriment of all men.
Women never admit wrong, and are never accountable.
You earned it bro đ
@msc545 You sound a wee bit bitter, lol. Not all of us fit into the mold that you guys have decided on though. I have always been loyal and it basically got me no where, so I do relate to the bitterness. My problem is some men think no woman has ever had it rough with dating when I know first hand that I've had it rough. I don't expect either of you to believe me, it doesn't matter anyway but I know it to be true, which is what I find frustrating. That's not saying that your experience or Kraken's experience isn't true, I have no doubt that it is. It's just frustrating to know that I am nothing like that, and that I have been treated poorly in relationships yet I get lumped in to the category of sh*tty women because of some men's bad experiences. It's like how feminists try to make all men out to be sexual predators when many us women know that isn't close to being true.
@whirled_up_girl You have a point there actually, and I plead guilty to sometimes painting all women with the same brush - metaphorically. Welcome to the wonderful world of PTSD where almost everything gets distorted.
Because they think a man's wants, needs and desires are unimportant and not worth indulging. Women always put their own needs above everyone else, including children they have.
@worldscolide. Well said.
@worldscolide Except for your wife right? Unless something has changed, I would think you would acknowledge there are exceptions to the rule.
Yeah but my wife is a traditional woman.. Not the modern type. She's automatically exempted.
Oh I see, well you didn't specify, you just said women as in women in general. Plenty of us are nothing like the so called "modern women".
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- Are we talking about all women?
I think some women do care and try hard. Some drive themselves crazy trying to conform to different theories on "what men want".
- Are you assuming that all men want the same things? Because I absolutely disdain what some men want. I don't want a Stepford Wife or a Handmaid's Tale partner. I'm not religious and I'm not interested in timid, submissive virgins.
- Is it because some men don't care what women want in a relationship and simply assume that they know what women want (e. g. money)?
- It seems to me that people should do what feels right to them, stop complaining and judging, stop trying to impose their values on others and boss people around and, if they are interested in finding a partner, find one who is a match for them. Leave everyone else alone.
What's the point in complaining about women in general (of which there are over 100 million in the U. S. alone) when all you need to find is one? If a man can't do that, maybe it's not the 100 million women, but his own screwed up, unrealistic values, preferences and desires that are holding him back.
Well, that's an irrelevant question and I'm sure you already know the answer to it.
What I'm more interested in is what are we as men going to do about this? Sit here like a bunch of children throwing a tantrum? Get angry at feminists for profiting off of male thirst? Or are we going to start genuinely thinking about to how reverse this problem and ACTUALLY working towards it?
How many of you are actually interested in solving the problem rather than complaining about it on the internet? If you are, why not start network and get to know each other? Start to arm yourself with knowledge on how we even got here in the first place, and what strategies we can take to get out of this.
If there's anyone you should be particularly angry at, it's your grandfathers for having no spine and allowing this degeneracy to continue. Feminists didn't create it's own power, power was GIVEN to these women. Your beef should be with the enabling men and the sellouts who stood to benefit directly from all of this degeneracy that we're living in today (aka major corporations and the government).
So let me ask again, does any of you actually even care, or are you just interested in complaining about it online?
This depends on age in my opinion. When women are young they know that they dont have to give two living fucks about what men want, if you as a guy dont like that she has nothing to offer, every woman under 35 has 100 simps that will worship the ground she walks on instantly. Between 35 and 55 they know they're less desirable but the abundance of simps is still strong, it might go from 100 to 10 or 15 but the options are still there. After 55 they're know they're fucked which is why they start with the "older women have more to offer" bullshit as they start to age out of strong solid men of any age breaking their necks for them
@ronaldo75. Agreed, and it's hilarious when older women talk about becoming "invisible". Invisibility is a fact for men their entire life.
@ronaldo75. It's true. Let's add that from 16+ girls get a lot of dating "experience" and know how to manipulate men. Many women use this power of manipulation with brutality.
Most of those options were true but i selected the last one, women are just selfish, hypocrites and have been taught by feminists that men failing to please them makes them a misogynist.
It is why most relationships don't work today, and couples argue all the time, and why we have so much domestic abuse.
Women think only they are allowed to have preferences, i have had so many arguments with women on this site for my preferences and have been accused of all sorts. I have even had one of my answers removed for stating my preferences, but you dare to criticise women's preferences then see how they flair up.
Because women don't need to settle for what men want. There will always be another good man out there willing to adapt for the woman to meet her needs and wants. And also we are just happy being single. So really there isn't any reason to care about mens preferences. It just doesn't effect us.
@Apple1996. Thumbs up for honesty.
@Apple1996. But the "happy being single" is a laugh, being single slowly drives women crazy.
I will add this to. Men that are chill with no preferences are very easy to be with. My husband is the best cause he doesn't care about that type of shit. Not sure I could deal with a man with a bunch of preferences even if I fit them thatd be highly annoying. It's probably comparable to nagging in my opinion
@Apple1996. First, no one has "no" preferences. Second, you are dead wrong about men being single vs. Women. Most men spend the majority their lives single. Women can't go two hours without a man, which is why they keep so many options open.
@Apple1996. That's an absurd statement.
Do you have physical criteria/preferences for a dating partner and did you deliberately choose whatever your preferences are? â
I'm the user he's talking about in this question đ
@Apple1996. Wound you dare someone you found physically repulsive? No? Guess what, you have preferences.
@Apple1996. You and I both know that's a lie. If I find a real life Jabba-the-Hut "with a great personality", you wouldn't date that guy.
@Apple1996. Fuck buddy? Ugh... you were a hoe?
@Apple1996. Ok, thanks for clarifying.
@Apple1996. I am still not over you calling your son a loser. As for being a hoe, all I ever wanted was one women who returned even a fraction of what I put into a relationship. But I guess your above post, "There will always be another good man out there willing to adapt for the woman to meet her needs and wants. And also we are just happy being single. So really there isn't any reason to care about mens preferences. It just doesn't effect us.", is the brutal truth.
@Apple1996. Do you think men don't know when they are "loser's"? The whole world is there to remind a man that he has failed the second he does fail. And the world is merciless to men who fail. Just more evidence that most mothers are toxic AF to their sons.
@Apple1996. You called your son a loser? For what? Is he emancipated?
What about a guy who insists on putting ghost pepper powder on a condom before fucking her? Do you prefer NOT to do that? This supposedly happened to a coworker of mine who got back at his spouse for cheating. She panicked and thought she had chlamydia spending hours in the shower afterwards. He intentionally lied about fucking a disease riddled whore prior to the deed because he knew she cheated. I mean hey, he didnât want to turn away a disease riddled whore, she has wants and needs too, what kind of asshole has that kind of preference to say no to her? âOnly assholes have preferences.â. Your words. âmeet her wants and needsâ. Aka preferences. Also you words. So, you calling other women assholes?
We shouldnât speak in absolutes that arenât absolutely true. Itâs lazy and it creates unnecessary conflict before getting to the core conflict.
@KrakenAttackin. Theyâre not fucking meat bags, excuse the pun, though. Theyâre people with feelings. They just need help making damn sense. Whatâs better? Fucking a woman who wants to be with you? Or fucking a woman who was told to be with you?
@love_conquers_lust nah its was hypothetical situation. I don't actually call my son's that. And wow to the story about the cheater. I'm all for getting back at cheaters like that lol
@Apple1996. Donât worry, Apple. Iâm against ya, but Iâm also with ya. Iâm not about to advocate chaining women to stoves. Iâd rather chain them to a desk in front of books.
@Apple1996 I am willing to bet there is a 90% chance the guy didn't even see them as being in a relationship, but a "situationship" as you people today call it. The problem is everyone wants to keep their options open and commitment is a JOKE.
THIS is why opposite gender "friends" is a bad idea, and being "friends with ex's" is a bad idea, and why posting thirst traps (ESPECIALLY when in a relationship) is a bad idea. I could go on.
The whole "it's complicated" culture is fucked up beyond belief. Its NOT complicated. You are single or you are in a relationship. If you are in a relationship, have respect for that relationship.
@love_conquers_lust what kind of books? Spicy books?
@KrakenAttackin. Jesus christ. So what do you do around your mother? Your aunts? Cousins? Relatives on their death beds? âOpposite gender friendsâ is a bad idea? How are women supposed to get to know guys without fucking them? You canât complain about sluts then handcuff them into not being able to find out for themselves based on THEIR preferences. What. Are you going to beat them into submission like a fucking Muslim or militant Christian if theyâre unhappy in their marriage when they didnât have a choice to begin with?
Iâm afraid it is complicated. Find the balance. Compromise.
@Apple1996. Books that stimulate engagement and critical thinking. Thereâs some things to be learned from romance novels. But itâs fantasy. Same thing with comics, graphic novels, picture books, whatever. In this case, DIVERSITY of thought and variety, is a good thing. Moderation. Vague advice, tough as fuck to figure out the right dosage.
@love_conquers_lust How do you think people formed relationships and families BEFORE the internet? I will tell you. People met other people "IRL", asked each other on dates, spent time to see if it would work. If there was a connection the couple moved forward, if not they didn't.
How TF can you form an intimate bond with someone when you are spreading your intimacy across a dozen people, some are orbiting simps, other are in your DM's, still more on dating sites, including ex's? There is NO chance for a solid and mutual connection to form in this environment, money, zero.
Look, humans don't do well with a hundred choices. Ask anyone who worked in sales, people want to be presented with two or three choices, MAX. When presented with 100 choices they don't make a choice. Women have unlimited choices, which they have cultivated. The result is no one is committed to anyone else.
@KrakenAttackin. â People met other people "IRL"â. According to you, men and women canât be trusted to control their actions in this scenario. They shouldnât be friends. So you want to eliminate the choice altogether. Dates without fucking is effectively platonic until it moves forward, but you donât want to allow that.
To your second paragraph, thatâs why you donât sleep with them. You act like sluts are in complete control, thatâs just not the case unless you were raped or something.
Yes, choice overload sucks. Thatâs yet another reason why I think diversity is hurting us, not helping. We all have different thresholds. Thatâs why like attracts like.
@Apple1996. Iâm not sure itâs possible to have no judgement. That in itself is judgement. Like what Descartes said: I think, therefore I am. I cannot deny this.
We can judge what we tolerate, but we donât have to approve.
Remember the other day when I said @Apple1996 wasn't traditional? This is EXACTLY what I meant.
@love_conquers_lust Men and women will do bad things when presented with temptation. The respectful thing to do in a relationship is to not put yourself in situations where there is temptation. Why is this such a hard concept? Even if you are completely trustworthy you can create doubt and hurt with your partner.
@love_conquers_lust I'm a very busy person. I just get on here occasionally every few days when I have some time off, so I'm definitely not trying to read all of the 30+ comments on here. The fact she even has all of these under her comment by itself proves my point.
@KrakenAttackin. If you completely segregate society based on gender, youâre going to have oppression, because thatâs what you started with.
@love_conquers_lust No one is talking about segregation by gender. Social media and dating sites brought us to where when are now.
@KrakenAttackin. In a sense, yes, social media and dating sites brought us here. Theyâve amplified underlying problems. As far as dating sites with their high M:F ratio, youâre going to have a hard time getting more women on there scaring them with talk of telling them to fall in line and shut the fuck up. Attract more flies with honey. In that sense, @Apple1996 is right in her own way. You have to be welcoming of women, tolerant, but not necessarily approving.
You're wasting your time arguing with her. She's a hypocrite. She enjoys the attention she gets from arguing with random men online about degenerate takes she makes. A while back she claimed to be a traditional woman who got married young, but here she is writing feminist talking points all over again.
If you don't want to lose brain cells, stop the back and forth and do something better with your day.
@Datboi65 Her shit tests stimulate my brain cells, and atrophies others. Itâs a tradeoff.
Like âAll women are the dominant genderâ. Sexist. Then she said her husband leads the relationship. After saying she got mad when men should unquestionably support women in relationships. Sheâs used to assholes, she is one herself. She needs a dick, figuratively. Donât think her husband does that for her.
that's what she thinks, then she hits 30
@007kingifrit why would a woman being 30 change anything?
well women want older men than them and men want younger women, at 30 the ratio of men women want goes down and the ratio of men who want them goes down.
they can't be as picky anymore
@Apple1996. Its funny, your argument is the same one Chad Thundercock makes about banging different women.
@007kingifrit I only want younger men so that'll never be a issue for me
well that's even harder because men only want younger women. you can't have those men, and you're married anyway? how old is your husband
@007kingifrit ridiculous no. I can have other men if I'm in a open relationship.. and my husband is younger than me.
And not the men that I know. Everyone in my family that's in a relationship has where the man is younger than the woman.
Usually is only a problem when they don't meet those requirements.
Like women are more than happy to play the field in their teens and twenties with high quality men but get butthurt when an average guy rejects them in their 30s because he's dating a younger hotter woman
Anon... truth. the videos of women getting rejected and becoming violent and making false accusations are striking.
its definitely because they women think they are the prize. we men have been cucked up simps for such a long as time now that its fair to admit its our fault they feel this way but luckily things are changing now
https://www.youtube.com/embed/bjzeGJDoj3E@filthy_immigrant. There is a lot of truth in this video. I don't know what the answer is short of a major collapse which forces women to come out of their collective delusional fog.
the other day I noticed an mra guy put up a source claiming that 45% of the women are gonna be single by the year 2030, though I think its gonna be higher. this is proof that more men are no longer bothering
Because they don't care lol. They only care about what it is that they want out of us, and then expect us to conform to that without having any standards for them to live up to. NOW LET ME SAY THIS, NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THIS, before any of you get too triggered to come after me, but a lot of them are. They never stop to think, 'Okay, what can I provide to this guy.' And then when/if they get dumped because the guy doesn't take them seriously, they're still gonna blame it on us, when THEY are the ones who never bother to think about what it is that WE want. Again, not all women do this, but a bunch of them do.
You donât understand female. Itâs crazy how most men use male psychology to explain women.
You think women talk like men, they donât..
Most of the time women donât mean what they say.
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@mjthecoach. I completely agree that women don't speak the truth or even know what they really want.
They do.. But is based on what men teaching them. Today because of all the SIMPS they have no teaching abilities.
Because they know they have made bad life decisions and will never qualify for a good quality man so they try to pretend they don't care about men's preferences. Then they go on to purposely give bad advice to other women that they see as their competition.
This complex. But when all else equal women really do have an advantage over men in the dating world.
But one thing men need to work on is accepting there are worse things in this world then being alone. Is better to be alone and have your self respect. F*ck other peoples opinions of you including women who often single shame guys as being âlosersâ and âcreepsâ.
But too many men tolerate being treated like sh*t because they are just happy to have a girlfriend/wife. If men collectively got tougher on this it would force more women to change for the better.
However I also see women tolerating way too much sh*t from certain types of men because they are enamores with âchallengeâ. That bs has to stop too.
âThe strongest position at the negotiating table is be able to walk away and not look back.â
- Corey Wayne (author of the 3% man).
Honestly every man I've dated has wanted something different from a relationship. I've ever been triggered by men telling me what they want in a relationship, it might be different than what I want though. That's not a bad thing though, best to know early to see if we'd be compatible.
Because most women simply don't want a relationship. They want tribute. This is why you'll hear most women on this site "how do I get a guy to...". Because they don't care what he wants. They only want to know his triggers, how to control him. Understanding takes effort and each guy is different. That's too much work for someone she's probably going to throw back at some point anyways when she sees a better offer.
Woman: "just give me the cliff notes please".
1. Don't state your preference just pursue your preference. Unless someone ask you I don't see the reason of just overtly saying it.
2. Men have dictated standards of beauty for decades. Women are tired of hearing from men how a woman's body should and should not look. Due to our hormones we fluctuate in weight and we do get pregnant which makes it harder to lose weight.
3. It is highly expensive to be a woman is what men fail to understand.
4. Men openly criticize women and want control over their rights.
@dreamlife7. Bullshit. Men have never dictated beauty standards for women. Women dictate beauty standards to other women and you women constantly battle each other. Men are perfectly happy with an average looking woman who is kind, feminine, and faithful.
Its "expensive" to be a woman? I don't know where to start with this one. We all make choices and getting a $350+ haircut every six weeks is a choice.
Men openly criticize women, sure and women openly criticize men. We want to control your rights? Who do you think granted you rights? Also when you prove consistently inept, it makes sense to be held accountable.
@KrakenAttackin sounds like you need to pick up a history book. Read a book not interested in going back and forth over historical facts. Historical facts are taught in school. I'm not a teacher.
@KrakenAttackin seek therapy
Because society and feminist creates a whole movement forcing men to accept something they're otherwise find undesirable, whether it's fat women hairy, etc.
It's okay though, they're 'queens' who know their value. đ
Why should women care? I mean what incentives or for what reasons would women consider to care about our needs when there are entire swarms of "men" that are bowing down to them and giving them free stuff? It's kind of like having your groceries delivered to you so you don't have to make a trip to the grocery store. Convenient isn't it?
You should have added an "All of the above" option, because all these things are true thanks to feminism and thirsty simps.
Good point.
"Why do women seem not to care what men want in a woman and relationship?"
Modern women's do care. They are constantly bombarded with how they should dress, what they should eat, how much weight they should have; how they should behave.
You're not in touch with reality.
Same reason men don't care what women want beyond what it takes to get them naked - because everyone is ultimately looking out only for their own self interests.
I am a woman who wants to complement and please my man. No i won't change myself for a man, but relationships are give and take
There are 8 billion on this earth, half are women.
Several of them are trash and many other women are amazing to their men.
You generalizing women as they are all as you described is simply not a genuine judgment.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy At this point I don't really know why either of us are surprised by posts like from Kraken, lol.
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in my opinion A lot of this has to do w/ men. Most guys are so desperate for female attention that they tolerate anything from them thus reaffirming a mostly delusional state.
Women think theyâre perfect as they are and they refuse to look inwards at themselves
Well, to be fair I guess with feminism that is what they have been taught to believe about themselves anyway. That itâs always the manâs fault
@WhiteBoyChill. This is an excellent point. Self delusion and lack of accountability go hand-in-hand.
I think those women already let themself go, with either already having a high bodycount or doing onlyfans etc. Women who are conservative who doesn't have a past like that tend to adjust themselves
The answer is that they donât know
because their mothers failed them and didnât teach them how to be wives
Men are so worthless because they're so easily replaceable so why would they care about what we want?
Modern American. Not all. Changing the man is almost universal though.
People seem to have this âus versus them mentalityâ and forget that it really should be those two together against the world. The couple SHOULD figure each other out and decide together their specific roles and responsibilities based on they bring to the relationship.
Pre-marital (almost wrote âpre-martialâ) counseling should be mandatory before marriage.
Because they don't want to have to live up to anyone else's expectations.
They have too many options... Which makes us expendable...
Supply and demand. The average women is in far more demand that the average man.
They probably donât care what a man wants or some think they are the prize
I think it is a combination of 1st and 4th options.
I care. That's why we're still together. If I didn't care, why would he want to stay?
isn't IT OBVIOUS MY DUDE? BITCHES CARE ABOUT THEM AND THEM ALONE.
I would imagine it's because they don''t fit the mold.
because modern women are deluded and very egoistic
Because in the relationship, a woman thinks she's the prize and that the man needs to satisfy her.
Itâs giant conspiracy against manly men in gay plaid shirts. You donât like plaid do you?
@whirled_up_girl he likes plaid.
Because theyâre selfish.
simps are responsible for hoeflation
who cares what they think honestly
Cause they think men should adapt lol
All of the above.
because they both want orgy.
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