And that’s on racist huh? @bente2 And you mean you shouldn’t you’re out here Making fun of ethnic names please don’t create another little piece Of shit.
@LaPrincesita hell no it’s not “coming off racist”. If you believe in naming a child after religion in favor of violence, which in turn totally mocks the actual way of islam, you don’t deserve to have children.
@LaPrincesita I think the main problem here, isn't that either of them are racist or Islamophobic because I don't believe either of them are either of those things- I think the main issue here is misinformation.
Both of them probably believe that Jihad means something to do with terrorism or extremism or something- but that's not what it means.
I think it's important we correct that misconception.
Oh no, I just think that given it’s quite controversial word - and according to that BBC article of yours very unjustified - it may be odd to name your kid that. I think he was born in like ‘03 as well, so 9/11 was still pretty fresh at that point.
@bente Whoop there it is, I knew it was some type of problem with that people, girl it’s racism and ignorance. I have a child already and he’s not gonna be raised up on ignorance.
Eh, it is empirically proven that here in this country with non-Western surnames you have a significantly lower chance of getting to rent a room, at getting a job, at getting internships and that sort of stuff. Discrimination is a very real thing, even in this extremely liberal place (Netherlands).
@tartaarsaus No problem, not everyone knows, and well now you can say you learned something new today lol😂
I can definitely see where you're coming from with the controversy especially if he lives in the West, given that Muslim men already face a certain type of stereotyping having that name may add to it.
But I'm just putting it out there that it is likely that his parents had the Islamic/Arabic meaning in mind- not the controversial one- when Muslims name their babies they tend to look at names with Arabic or Islamic meaning- my parents brought a book of Muslim names when it came to naming me😂😂
@LaPrincesita Yep it is ignorant to think that religion implies violence but at the same time you have to understand that a lot of people haven't grown up in diverse societies among Muslims so it's not their fault if they don't know and have misconceptions about certain religions.
You just have to inform them with the correct information to combat that ignorance.
Hell no what i didn’t even grow up in a neighborhood with Muslims I just grew up not being a shitty humabeing isn’t it common sense to just not lol? Also these are adults girls not little children who need teaching this is something they could have researched and they know that but they more than likely refuse to because racist people don’t give a fuck to start 😐.
So why do people need to whiten there name? Also I’m shocked how you know this little fact and understand it but yet you can’t comprehend how it’s ignorant to think someone’s name is weird and implies violence. You fully understand the struggles that come with being POC but you also more than likely don’t give a fuck about it.
First, I’ve never stated that actually means violence.
Second, I’m not saying he should ‘whiten’ his name. I think one can be reasonably sure that more normal Muslim names carry less controversy than something many people associate with violence.
Third, don’t just come with the concept of ‘whitening’ names. Racial relations do not really matter here, it’s not a term used. It’s mostly about ethnicities.
Fourth, you find that shocking, but it’s not shocking at all. Whenever such a research is carried out about that discrimination it makes headlines in every single major newspaper. The meaning of names is never in the names.
Fifth, I’m POC myself and I do care about it. Again, assumptions based on absolutely the square root of jack shit
@LaPrincesita Well it's good that you don't have that judgement about you, and I don't think either of those two did either- I mean all it was, was a misconception about an Arabic and now I've corrected them- they know.
There's things I don't know about other religions and other cultures either- that doesn't make me racist, while I agree it does make me ignorant to an extent it doesn't make me racist because if anyone of any religion or any culture was willing to tell me something about their religion/culture I'd be open to learning about it.
But he does make a good point about the controversy. Whilst ideally, everyone should be open to learning about different religions and cultures- realistically everyone is not, and many people are judgmental and stereotypical towards Muslims without knowing anything about the culture. So when those judgmental people hear the name "Jihad" it may alarm them and cause them to jump to all kinds of conclusions.
And for the record, yes I now get it doesn't mean violence but that’s not actually relevant. The societal implications of a particular fact depends on the public perception of that fact, not the true meaning of that fact. Just a fin disclaimer.
Hahaha yeah I learned something new I guess. But yes, there is discrimination unfortunately.
Haha in my community they tend to do the same thing regarding names. My parents actually apparently had a whole stash of names for me and brothers prepared haha
@tartaarsaus Yeah I understand what you're trying to say, the fault isn't the name itself necessarily but the ignorance of society and how society can interpret it.
And interesting, I didn't know you guys did that as well so I guess I learned something new as well😂
But my family have our own little tradition as well (from my dad's side) where the rest of the family like aunties, uncles, and grandparents think of a name- and then the parents of the baby agree to name that child a name of what one of the other family members chose lol
My uncle chose mine and my grandma chose my brother's😂
Yup. Like I didn’t know the meaning (and it honestly actually has never been something of relevance in my life), but now I do know. But if there is no source of information explaining this to the vast massee, nobody is informed to it hence stereotype remains
lmao that is an interesting and tradition. Are there ever then weird names chosen or can everyone behave themselves?
In my family it’s more common that you name your child after someone else in the family, or just by coincidence (family is really really big) so you ask that person or their parents for permission. Like a cousin of mine shares her name with my brother, so her parents actually asked permission to my parents.
I wonder what other stereotypes you believe that are problematic, wouldn’t doubt there’s more. I also don’t like that you didn’t think to research as if we’re in times were information is just sooo unavailable. Also when you said earlier that they can use more “normal Muslim names” no sir absolutely tf not, you just need a better understanding at life and come to realize the fucking random man out here named jihad is not gonna hurt you.
Do you research anything and everything that has absolutely no bearing on your life in any tangible way? Undoubtedly, you don’t.
And no, I never said there is a realistic probability of someone named Jihad ever affecting my life significantly. Nothing what I said remotely made any suggestion at that. You’re going ballistic over nothing
Wrong, I do I don’t like walking around ignorant. If I don’t know I make the assumption I don’t fucking know so why assume someone is one way from their ethnicity it’s just wrong. I’m not going ballistics wth, see this is what I don’t like how trying to correct Caucasians in their ignorance on different cultures and ethnicities somehow makes you angry and how it’s “nothing” because it’s does not affect YOU in any way but as POC I get how important it is to actually learn about others and not hold these judgments in my head but that’s very normal for you clearly.
Oh cool, cool, cool. You don’t like “walking around ignorant” yet the one thing you’ve thing here is thrown around accusations at my face with pretty much nothing backing you up: - assume that I believe other major stereotypes - assume my beliefs about a particular thing whilst I haven’t explicitly anything about it, except that it is controversial - assume that I am in favour of whitening his name - assume that I don’t give a fuck about whatever that concerns people who are POC.
All those are assumptions, fairytales actually, in your head based on absolutely the square root of jack shit. It’s baseless twaddle from your side. You could have read what I said at any moment of the last 12 hours and comprehend what I said, except you clearly did not.
You are going ballistic over nothing because you made claims based on absolutely nothing at all, that I think I’m gonna be hurt by someone named jihad - which is another assumption you made, case in point - which is just pure nonsense. You’re making certain connections that I don’t give a shit about stereotypes on the basis that I said one name was weird given the controversy that surrounds it and the rest of the reasons you assumed that are just pure bullshit. Grade A50 bullshit actually.
And again with the Caucasian stuff, such bullshit. I’m not fucking Caucasian! Got it? Check your stereotypes! You could have researched the fact that I am not caucasian - oh wait, I explicitly spelled it out for you. It was hook, line and center. Easy peasy lemon squeezy in this exact conversation. Except you clearly chose not to use the information and make a number of assumptions. How interesting.
Oh, and by the way, do you think POC do not have some heuristics or biases in any way? In other words, do you think POC are in terms of psychology?
@LaPrincesita jihad literally represents so much more than just “struggle within”. Jihad means something culturally too. If you name a kid jihad in the west YOU are the one that’s being ignorant. Ignorant of your surroundings and the impact of that side of islam on those surroundings. The name can literally be translated into violence for religion.
I DO NOT think islam in itself is violent. I think the opposite. But giving a child a name like this shows you don’t care at all about meaning and hurt.
@bente2 "The name can literally be translated into violence for religion" Many people can interpret it that way, but then the people who interpret it like that can be corrected and then those people will learn something new.
Like take our religious studies class for example, when we got taught about Islam we got taught about Jihad and it's true meaning- so chances are if any non-Muslim kid from that class meets a Muslim kid called "Jihad" they'll know why that child is Jihad.
You could easily argue one who calls their child Jihad cares about the meaning because when people ask their child "Why do you have a name as such?" the person will explain the true meaning of Jihad making the person who asked much less ignorant.
That said, unfortunately we don't live in an ideal society where everybody is open-minded to learning about new things- and many of these closed-minded people are indeed people like employers who might just see that name and not even give the person a chance.
It certainly is a tricky situation, but I think the main problem is with the ignorance of society and the fear driven into them like so many people would rather be afraid of something than inquiring about it. The name is only a problem because society have made into a problem based off of one negative version of the word they see so many people will instantly judge that person based on the negative version of the word without even questioning does the name/word have another meaning?
But I guess the way we fix that is educating people, but then you can't help the judgmental nature of some people- or can you with education? Who knows?
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Jihad
Whats so weird about that name? Are you Caucasian?
@LaPrincesite
Nope, I’m not caucasian. And what’s weird about that name speaks for itself
No it doesn’t lol
Yes it does
No it doesn’t what exactly is funny about it
I didn’t say it was funny
Weird, what’s so weird about it.
It’s fairly obvious
@LaPrincesita honey if you don’t understand you shouldn’t name a kid jihad you should never have children.
And that’s on racist huh? @bente2
And you mean you shouldn’t you’re out here Making fun of ethnic names please don’t create another little piece
Of shit.
No it’s really not all you’re doing is coming off as racist.
@LaPrincesita hell no it’s not “coming off racist”. If you believe in naming a child after religion in favor of violence, which in turn totally mocks the actual way of islam, you don’t deserve to have children.
@bente2 "Jihad" doesn't mean violence, the literal meaning of "Jihad" is struggle or effort.
But here's the best explanation of it that I have found, take your time to read it:
www.BBC.co.uk/.../jihad_1.shtml
@LaPrincesita I think the main problem here, isn't that either of them are racist or Islamophobic because I don't believe either of them are either of those things- I think the main issue here is misinformation.
Both of them probably believe that Jihad means something to do with terrorism or extremism or something- but that's not what it means.
I think it's important we correct that misconception.
@SpiderManFan2002
Oh no, I just think that given it’s quite controversial word - and according to that BBC article of yours very unjustified - it may be odd to name your kid that. I think he was born in like ‘03 as well, so 9/11 was still pretty fresh at that point.
But thanks for the correction ✌️
Because like your kid will have to deal with e. g. job applications, stereotypes and alike very much, even without the more controversial name.
But then again, I’m sure it has deep meaning to the family. So on the other hand, what do you prioritize?
@bente
Whoop there it is, I knew it was some type of problem with that people, girl it’s racism and ignorance. I have a child already and he’s not gonna be raised up on ignorance.
It’s ignorant of you to even think like that though it’s not gonna affect his chances at getting jobs not everyone is ignorant out here.
@SpiderMan2002
To even think that their religion implies violence is just ignorant to me, I don’t think it’s right at all.
@LaPrincesita
Eh, it is empirically proven that here in this country with non-Western surnames you have a significantly lower chance of getting to rent a room, at getting a job, at getting internships and that sort of stuff. Discrimination is a very real thing, even in this extremely liberal place (Netherlands).
@tartaarsaus No problem, not everyone knows, and well now you can say you learned something new today lol😂
I can definitely see where you're coming from with the controversy especially if he lives in the West, given that Muslim men already face a certain type of stereotyping having that name may add to it.
But I'm just putting it out there that it is likely that his parents had the Islamic/Arabic meaning in mind- not the controversial one- when Muslims name their babies they tend to look at names with Arabic or Islamic meaning- my parents brought a book of Muslim names when it came to naming me😂😂
@LaPrincesita Yep it is ignorant to think that religion implies violence but at the same time you have to understand that a lot of people haven't grown up in diverse societies among Muslims so it's not their fault if they don't know and have misconceptions about certain religions.
You just have to inform them with the correct information to combat that ignorance.
Hell no what i didn’t even grow up in a neighborhood with Muslims I just grew up not being a shitty humabeing isn’t it common sense to just not lol? Also these are adults girls not little children who need teaching this is something they could have researched and they know that but they more than likely refuse to because racist people don’t give a fuck to start 😐.
So why do people need to whiten there name? Also I’m shocked how you know this little fact and understand it but yet you can’t comprehend how it’s ignorant to think someone’s name is weird and implies violence.
You fully understand the struggles that come with being POC but you also more than likely don’t give a fuck about it.
First, I’ve never stated that actually means violence.
Second, I’m not saying he should ‘whiten’ his name. I think one can be reasonably sure that more normal Muslim names carry less controversy than something many people associate with violence.
Third, don’t just come with the concept of ‘whitening’ names. Racial relations do not really matter here, it’s not a term used. It’s mostly about ethnicities.
Fourth, you find that shocking, but it’s not shocking at all. Whenever such a research is carried out about that discrimination it makes headlines in every single major newspaper. The meaning of names is never in the names.
Fifth, I’m POC myself and I do care about it. Again, assumptions based on absolutely the square root of jack shit
@LaPrincesita Well it's good that you don't have that judgement about you, and I don't think either of those two did either- I mean all it was, was a misconception about an Arabic and now I've corrected them- they know.
There's things I don't know about other religions and other cultures either- that doesn't make me racist, while I agree it does make me ignorant to an extent it doesn't make me racist because if anyone of any religion or any culture was willing to tell me something about their religion/culture I'd be open to learning about it.
But he does make a good point about the controversy. Whilst ideally, everyone should be open to learning about different religions and cultures- realistically everyone is not, and many people are judgmental and stereotypical towards Muslims without knowing anything about the culture. So when those judgmental people hear the name "Jihad" it may alarm them and cause them to jump to all kinds of conclusions.
Is that morally right? Absolutely not.
But is that the reality? Unfortunately, yes.
And for the record, yes I now get it doesn't mean violence but that’s not actually relevant. The societal implications of a particular fact depends on the public perception of that fact, not the true meaning of that fact. Just a fin disclaimer.
@SpiderManFan2002
Hahaha yeah I learned something new I guess. But yes, there is discrimination unfortunately.
Haha in my community they tend to do the same thing regarding names. My parents actually apparently had a whole stash of names for me and brothers prepared haha
@tartaarsaus Yeah I understand what you're trying to say, the fault isn't the name itself necessarily but the ignorance of society and how society can interpret it.
And interesting, I didn't know you guys did that as well so I guess I learned something new as well😂
But my family have our own little tradition as well (from my dad's side) where the rest of the family like aunties, uncles, and grandparents think of a name- and then the parents of the baby agree to name that child a name of what one of the other family members chose lol
My uncle chose mine and my grandma chose my brother's😂
@SpiderManFan2002
Yup. Like I didn’t know the meaning (and it honestly actually has never been something of relevance in my life), but now I do know. But if there is no source of information explaining this to the vast massee, nobody is informed to it hence stereotype remains
lmao that is an interesting and tradition. Are there ever then weird names chosen or can everyone behave themselves?
In my family it’s more common that you name your child after someone else in the family, or just by coincidence (family is really really big) so you ask that person or their parents for permission. Like a cousin of mine shares her name with my brother, so her parents actually asked permission to my parents.
I wonder what other stereotypes you believe that are problematic, wouldn’t doubt there’s more.
I also don’t like that you didn’t think to research as if we’re in times were information is just sooo unavailable.
Also when you said earlier that they can use more “normal Muslim names” no sir absolutely tf not, you just need a better understanding at life and come to realize the fucking random man out here named jihad is not gonna hurt you.
@tartaarsaus Lol the elders behave, and my uncles and aunties have behaved in the past from what I know😂😂😂
Whether my cousins would or not I can't say but I'd like to hope so lmao😂😂
@LaPrincesita
Do you research anything and everything that has absolutely no bearing on your life in any tangible way? Undoubtedly, you don’t.
And no, I never said there is a realistic probability of someone named Jihad ever affecting my life significantly. Nothing what I said remotely made any suggestion at that. You’re going ballistic over nothing
@SpiderManFan2002 hahaha
Wrong, I do I don’t like walking around ignorant. If I don’t know I make the assumption I don’t fucking know so why assume someone is one way from their ethnicity it’s just wrong.
I’m not going ballistics wth, see this is what I don’t like how trying to correct Caucasians in their ignorance on different cultures and ethnicities somehow makes you angry and how it’s “nothing” because it’s does not affect YOU in any way but as POC I get how important it is to actually learn about others and not hold these judgments in my head but that’s very normal for you clearly.
Oh cool, cool, cool. You don’t like “walking around ignorant” yet the one thing you’ve thing here is thrown around accusations at my face with pretty much nothing backing you up:
- assume that I believe other major stereotypes
- assume my beliefs about a particular thing whilst I haven’t explicitly anything about it, except that it is controversial
- assume that I am in favour of whitening his name
- assume that I don’t give a fuck about whatever that concerns people who are POC.
All those are assumptions, fairytales actually, in your head based on absolutely the square root of jack shit. It’s baseless twaddle from your side. You could have read what I said at any moment of the last 12 hours and comprehend what I said, except you clearly did not.
You are going ballistic over nothing because you made claims based on absolutely nothing at all, that I think I’m gonna be hurt by someone named jihad - which is another assumption you made, case in point - which is just pure nonsense. You’re making certain connections that I don’t give a shit about stereotypes on the basis that I said one name was weird given the controversy that surrounds it and the rest of the reasons you assumed that are just pure bullshit. Grade A50 bullshit actually.
And again with the Caucasian stuff, such bullshit. I’m not fucking Caucasian! Got it? Check your stereotypes! You could have researched the fact that I am not caucasian - oh wait, I explicitly spelled it out for you. It was hook, line and center. Easy peasy lemon squeezy in this exact conversation. Except you clearly chose not to use the information and make a number of assumptions. How interesting.
Oh, and by the way, do you think POC do not have some heuristics or biases in any way? In other words, do you think POC are in terms of psychology?
@LaPrincesita jihad literally represents so much more than just “struggle within”. Jihad means something culturally too. If you name a kid jihad in the west YOU are the one that’s being ignorant. Ignorant of your surroundings and the impact of that side of islam on those surroundings. The name can literally be translated into violence for religion.
I DO NOT think islam in itself is violent. I think the opposite. But giving a child a name like this shows you don’t care at all about meaning and hurt.
@bente2 "The name can literally be translated into violence for religion"
Many people can interpret it that way, but then the people who interpret it like that can be corrected and then those people will learn something new.
Like take our religious studies class for example, when we got taught about Islam we got taught about Jihad and it's true meaning- so chances are if any non-Muslim kid from that class meets a Muslim kid called "Jihad" they'll know why that child is Jihad.
You could easily argue one who calls their child Jihad cares about the meaning because when people ask their child "Why do you have a name as such?" the person will explain the true meaning of Jihad making the person who asked much less ignorant.
That said, unfortunately we don't live in an ideal society where everybody is open-minded to learning about new things- and many of these closed-minded people are indeed people like employers who might just see that name and not even give the person a chance.
It certainly is a tricky situation, but I think the main problem is with the ignorance of society and the fear driven into them like so many people would rather be afraid of something than inquiring about it. The name is only a problem because society have made into a problem based off of one negative version of the word they see so many people will instantly judge that person based on the negative version of the word without even questioning does the name/word have another meaning?
But I guess the way we fix that is educating people, but then you can't help the judgmental nature of some people- or can you with education? Who knows?
It's complicated to say the least.
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