Is there still hope when it comes to love and dating for traditional women?

[ct1243]

Yes, hope for women who still believe in traditional and monogamous relationships with men. I know that technology has changed the way how people meet and talk too each other. Cellphones and computers have made dating easier and noticeable with online dating profiles and ads. I know that dating has changed with how men have interactwith women such as showing courtship and being chivalrous. Is there hope for women who are traditional and old fashioned. Some men are quick to blame feminism and generations like generation X ; has the younger generation of women made it hard for men to respect women collectively? Has traditionaldating become a thing of the past because some women don’t have standards when it comes to dating and men? It’s easier for some women to dress a certain way or act a certain way to get a man’s attention. Some women have made it easier for a man to shack up with them rather than make them wait until marriage or until she’s ready. How are traditional women gonna compete when these things are being blamed for the collection of women who may not fit the blame? I see how relationships have changed as well marriage isn’t what it use to be ; as things are declining for marriages and how some people view these things. What’s to blame for these things technology, programming, or women yet again? Why are women blamed for everything when it comes to the decline of marriages and relationships?

[Massageman]

Six questions- ok here goes.

Yes.
Yes.
No.
That's the big question - how CAN a nice gal compete?
Technology, both partners not working hard enough to make it work, and "demands" of society.
I don't know.

Let's work on #4- how does a traditional gal date in an increasingly NON-traditional society? I always suggest that people look in the more traditional places were more "traditional type" people are more likely to be. Maybe at a Sunday Church service or a local Food Pantry? Perhaps you could partner up with a guy who wants to help a family for Angel Tree or help pack a box for a kid at Samaritan's Purse. Maybe there is a local book club (now that we all this time to read, and I said BOOKS- -NOT kindle, etc). Try the local food store and hang in the produce section. Look for a guy with plenty of fruits and veggies (showing he values traditional health), and ask him how to pick a nice pineapple, melon, or stalk of celery and see what happens.

There are traditional guys still alive, and I'll bet that they are just about as worn out looking for a traditional gal as you are looking for the right guy! Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Is there hope? Depends what you mean exactly by “traditional”. Some aspects there’s certainly hope. Others are more challenging. Others are... based on a tradition that never was. Close long term not-sexual relationships have never really been normal. 100 years ago men were either courting (to get married in a few months and then have immediate sex) or had bad intentions (sex now). The idea that he maybe wanted to be a chaste boyfriend for years wouldn’t have been considered.

as for what changed? Primarily technology over the last century and the societal impacts are still happening:
- shift in work to no longer requiring physical strength meant women can do most jobs as well as men.
- increased education demands delaying establishment of households
- birth control, especially the pill

Pre world war 1, girls got married in their teens, began having sex and immediately had children. Now most women can choose to wait, and are economically incentivized to wait. So now most people hit sexual maturity a decade before they will settle down. So they have premarital sex or various types. The social changes are still ongoing. Did tinder push things further towards hookups versus relationships? Maybe, or maybe it accelerated a trend already underway.

there’s also the fact that when there’s a shortage of men, relationships become more sexual, faster. It happened with both world wars with many young men dying. It happens today in both poorer urban areas (some of the men are dead but even more are in jail), college campuses (where women outnumber men especially at liberal arts schools) or cities like LA and NYC that have more women than men. If you think about what areas drive through culture, I’d say urban poor areas plus NYC/LA and universities dominate a lot of the culture.

[MzAsh]

Yes, well mostly. There’s going to have to be a compromise. I’m a millennial who has been with my man for 13 years. We met threw friends, not online. We’re monogamous, but untraditional in a roles. I was told that if I don’t shut up, cook, and put a dress on that I’ll never get a man. That was a lie. In fact, they still try to tell me that not knowing I’m long off the market. I put dresses on Only when I feel like it. I cook when I feel like it. And my husband respects that. We have made our own rules. In a lot of ways, you get to decide what you want and then you find a man who’s views align with that. A lot of people meet online, but that doesn’t mean you have to. A lot of people choose to stay in an open relationship but that doesn’t mean you have to. You can have whatever you want. You just have to command it properly.

[Searlas]

In which setting specifically? We can't generalize this since we are all in different stages of development all over the world. We also have different sets of culture and traditions. Traditional women were and are as a result of gender inequality, they aren't taken to school - why take her to school while she's supposed to married pushing babies? That's the argument.

A traditional woman / house wife will have children, stay at home to take care of them, cooks well, keep the house very clean, wear very feminine clothing and have sex whenever the husband wants, does more listening than talking, keeps her opinions to herself.
There many countries where traditional marriages are still happening and not ending any soon irrespective of advancement in technology. In developing countries e. g. here in Africa, technology is more concentrated in the urban areas and with corruption and mismanagement of resources, it will take time to fully cover the rural and remote areas, and or bridge the gap of inequality.

Back to your question, let's assume the whole world is all urbanized equally, there is gender equality all over the world, in such a setting, a traditional woman and marriage will cease to exist. All women will be educated with a career or business and only a few will choose the house wife setting (unless married to a rich man) Otherwise, urbanization means more expenses and more money to be made.

[Searlas]

NB:
In most traditional settings, people just get married, they don't date, arranged marriages, forced marriages etc. There are places where if a man impregnates a girl, she is sent to the mans house and considered to be his wife by default, so he's expected to start paying dowry.

[Anonymous]

Yes, there is still hope. I’ll get to that in a minute.

No, the problem is not technology. Technology is a contributing factor, but a minor one.

So, what is the reason for the decline of standards in dating, relationships and marriage? Well, what has changed? Think about it for a minute. Have we men been the ones pushing for change? Have we been trying to redefine the rules of gender and relationships? Are men the ones who drove the sexual revolution? Are men the ones who have tried to change literally everything related to the relationship between males and females? The answer is obviously no; it is women who have changed everything, and feminists in particular.

So let’s look at some of the issues. Women say they want equality, but obviously they don’t. They lament the fact that men are no longer chivalrous. Well, that’s because chivalry was noting more than men putting women on a pedestal and treating them like they were special. That’s because in the past women WERE special, but they are not special anymore. In fact, feminism has worked very hard to ensure women are NOT special. And now they have exactly that. Men no longer have any motivation to treat women as special, nor should they.

Women no longer understand what it means to be feminine. I’m not talking about physical appearance, but rather behavior. I mean behaving like a lady and having feminine charm. That is largely a thing of the past. Men hate that fact. Just sayin’.

[Opinion Owner]

Has the younger generation of women made it hard for men to respect women collectively? Yes, they have. Of course they have. Women are no longer women. They no longer offer men the benefits women of the past did. Think for a moment about what marriage meant to a man in the past. A married man worked and provided for his family, and in return his wife took care of the home and children. Today, a man is still expected to do everything he used to…he is judged just as harshly if he isn’t the provider, but he is also expected to do so much more…all of the things women of the past did. Not only does he have to put in the same hard day’s work, but he also has pick up the dry cleaning on the way home, stop by the market to buy supplies for dinner and pick up the kids at daycare. Or, more likely he picks up fast food because both he and his wife are too tired from a long day’s work to make dinner and do the dishes.

Now, add to that the fact that marriage is much more costly and risky for men today than it used to be. Fifty percent of marriages end in divorce, and 80% of those divorces are filed by women. If you do a little math, it’s impossible to escape the fact that a man who gets married has a 1 in 4 chance of his wife divorcing him. Think about that for a minute. And what happens when a woman divorces a man? He loses everything he has worked and sacrificed for, including his children, because divorce courts and custody settlements screw men over almost every time.

So, what do women offer men these days beyond sex? It’s a serious question. And on top of that, unlike the past, sex is easy for men to get now. Women have essentially made marriage too expensive and sex too cheap. Why in the world would a man choose to get married today? Again, serious question.

[Opinion Owner]

Why are women blamed for everything when it comes to the decline of marriages and relationships? Because they are responsible for the decline of marriages and relationships, that’s why. They changed all the rules without considering the consequences and without considering how it all would affect men and relationships and society, and now they want men to compromise even more to help fix everything they have broken without ever taking any responsibility for their fuck ups.

OK, having said all that, you asked is there hope for traditional women? Yes, there is more hope for traditional women that any others. Many men today want traditional women. We’re craving traditional women and traditional relationships. We want women who will be good wives and partners and mothers to our children. We want women with traditional values. We DON’T want modern “women” who don’t know how to be women and who expect men to be some hybrid between a male and a female, except when they want him to be a real man and complain when he isn’t. I’m talking about good men here…the kind of men who women desire, men who know how to be men and expect women to know how to be women. Yes, there is hope for you because there numbers of men who are fed up with modern women and modern relationships is increasing every day.

There are real men out there who are looking for real women. If you are a real woman, there is every reason to be hopeful.

[Opinion Owner]

Sorry, I typed that too fast. A man who gets married has a 4 in 10 chance of his wife divorcing him.

[djmzes]

Simple

[BarryMcKohkner]

YES! Do not compromise your standards just because you feel like everyone else is. If you live life the way you want to, you will attract others that want to live the same way

[bklynbadboy1]

Of course there's still hope. You guys on here make love seem so bleak and hopeless year there are relationships that didn't work but there are relationships that have worked my mother and my father have been married for 42 years. Try to focus on the positive

[ct1243]

Yes along ago? This is a general question

[Daniel3035]

None for you and your not a traditional woman maybe only in age but your attitude and personality is like the girls of today like I said you wasted your youth messing with older guys and playing with younger guys now the younger guys are the old guys and all the young girls will go for the guys you now need in your love life. You reap what you sow no point asking the same question again and again if your heart was pure you wouldn't be where you are.

[bamesjond0069]

Traditional relationships and marriages are not dead. They are dead for non traditional women. Ill marry a cute virgin teen who cooks and cleans and would make a great mom. Short of that hell no, sluts only please.

[Anonymous]

I don't see why not. The way people meet may have changed, but not the way they date. You still have the choice to do as you please.

[mrgspoter]

Probably not

[ct1243]

Different society and time has changed / I’m living in another era

[mrgspoter]

It has for technology I guess but it's not as good as you think back ages ago

[ct1243]

Lol right

[Giggltr0n]

Huh, I have always seen men being blamed for this